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(http://www.ship-of-fools.com/mystery/2009/media/woodbury_christ_church.jpg)
It was a Wednesday morning in Edgeville. Nothing much ever happened in Edgeville, but this morning wasn't just any Wednesday morning. No, this morning was different. This morning it wasn't raining, it had been raining for the last two weeks. And this morning the locals weren't going about their usual buisness. This morning the townsfolk were gathered in the town square, the same square that held the gallows pole that hadn't been used for a year now.
Because...
This morning the church door had been found open, and this morning the priest was found lying dead inside. The priest had taken three bullets to the stomach
This morning was to be followed by one of the most dramatic days the town had ever seen, and by the time night fell again, it was sure that the gallows pole would not be standing unused no more.
Palmar - The Priest - Has been found dead
Start of Day 1
Day 1 will end 23:59 on Friday. Anyone that hasn't voted will be autokilled.
Player list:
Archz
Cwave
Delling
Ezzardo
Graxlos
Grishnag
Hugman
Ino
Kawe
Nachmanun
Rucious
Shankski
Shiftey
TTaM
Tyler
Vorte
The Mafia has 2 kills every night, but if only 2 mafia remain, they will only be able to kill 1 per night. And there are 5 mafiosi in the game. Remember, this is an open game, for all you know everyone in the game could be a ninja, or there could be 10 docs. Some roles might have multiple people on them, and some might not exist in this game.
The town needs majority vote to lynch. If no one gets majority, there will be no lynching that day.
Do not edit your posts!! I will modkill you if you do.
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Palmar... :'(
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Exciting!
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Exciting!
You are excited about the priest's death?
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Hello fellow villagers, the killer must be found and brought to justice, the justice of an angry mob!
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(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2971/lgexample.png)
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Hello fellow villagers, the killer must be found and brought to justice, the justice of an angry mob!
You implying we should have some sort of "mob rule"?
:-\
That's exactly what a Mafiosi would want...
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angry mobs? i fit right in according to you guys
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Hello fellow villagers, the killer must be found and brought to justice, the justice of an angry mob!
You implying we should have some sort of "mob rule"?
:-\
That's exactly what a Mafiosi would want...
Seems you know a bit too much about what a mafiosa would want!!
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He's trying to frame someone else, it's obvious he's covering his ass!
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Palmar got to meet his God sooner then he had hoped it seems.
May you rest in peace, uneavenly bearded icelander
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Hello fellow villagers, the killer must be found and brought to justice, the justice of an angry mob!
You implying we should have some sort of "mob rule"?
:-\
That's exactly what a Mafiosi would want...
Seems you know a bit too much about what a mafiosa would want!!
What do you know?
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i'm glad the scum died
he touched me at night :(
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Palmar! NOooooOooo!
As a former man of the cloth, I feel closer to Palmar than most.
But I wonder... if he's dead... who will conduct the funeral?!
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we could just burn his corpse like they did in the olden days
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fkkn backstabbing archz.
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fkkn backstabbing archz.
What happened? Share with us pls.
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Im just experimenting with the group dynamic. People might lynch me now because I seem suspicious or they might follow me and get archz now. ATM we have no clue who the killer is so we just have to pick someone really :P
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On second thought. Rucious seems quite suspicious quoting and stuff, he is probably the mafioso
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Seeing as he thinks naruto is a good anime i think he might be a ninja!
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Im just experimenting with the group dynamic. People might lynch me now because I seem suspicious or they might follow me and get archz now. ATM we have no clue who the killer is so we just have to pick someone really :P
Indeed. At this point, apart from the murder of the priest, there hasn't been any proper Mafia hits, so there is no actual evidence towards it being specifically anyone. The first lynching is gonna be somewhat biased towards who you want to take down, rather than based on cops/trackers/suspicions etc.
Though I lean towards people who are overly quiet at the beginning.
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Im just experimenting with the group dynamic. People might lynch me now because I seem suspicious or they might follow me and get archz now. ATM we have no clue who the killer is so we just have to pick someone really :P
Indeed. At this point, apart from the murder of the priest, there hasn't been any proper Mafia hits, so there is no actual evidence towards it being specifically anyone. The first lynching is gonna be somewhat biased towards who you want to take down, rather than based on cops/trackers/suspicions etc.
Though I lean towards people who are overly quiet at the beginning.
Hugman, you are suggesting priest's murder has nothing to do with mafia, yet again you are trying to cover your own tracks and lead us of the path to justice!
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You seem awfully eager to silence me Shiftey, did my first random accusation hit dangerously close to the mark?
Did it?
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Let's not be hasty in drawing conclusions before someone gets hurt!
Tomorrow we shall see who has to pay for this injustice!
I shall have my woman make cookies and milk Bertha for a fresh bucket of warm unpasturized milk.
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Though I lean towards people who are overly quiet at the beginning.
Always the quiet ones you've gotta watch
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Seeing as he thinks naruto is a good anime i think he might be a ninja!
Or blaming me because you think you might cover your ass?
On second thought. Rucious seems quite suspicious quoting and stuff, he is probably the mafioso
I'm giving my thoughts and questioning people as everyone does.
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Dont we need a map to see where the townhall is?
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(http://nickandelle.com/img/town_hall-map_thumb.jpg)
Brighton, apparently.
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fkkn backstabbing archz.
Randomly throwing names out, eh? You danes and your conspiracies..
Your surplus of distracting pictures and videos aren't suspicious at all btw, TTaM ;)
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fkkn backstabbing archz.
Randomly throwing names out, eh? You danes and your conspiracies..
Your surplus of distracting pictures and videos aren't suspicious at all btw, TTaM ;)
I'm going to say this now, and add this to the OP. Editing your posts is _strictly_ forbidden.
Vorte gets away with this one.
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Vorte's post editting means he's hiding something! We should watch him closely!
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Vorte's post editting means he's hiding something! We should watch him closely!
Merely added a comment to kesh's distractions :( Why did you not hop on Cwave's back when he edit posts before me? You two got an allegiance to take care of?
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How dare you pick a fight when we have yet to bury the body of the hairy priest formely known as Palmar(THPFKAP)?
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Hey hey, fighting among ourselves won't solve anything right now. Think carefully before anyone get hurts.
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Hey hey, fighting among ourselves won't solve anything right now. Think carefully before anyone get hurts.
That's exactly what we need. Someone need to clear up the misunderstandings.
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*looks dubiously at Rucious* He's acting very weird.
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Hey hey, fighting among ourselves won't solve anything right now. Think carefully before anyone get hurts.
That's exactly what we need. Someone need to clear up the misunderstandings.
Somebody like a... cop? Sounds like a cop!
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*looks dubiously at Rucious* He's acting very weird.
2 different accounts? suspicious, not?
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I'm using Delling2 because my other account has too much access to other things on the forum -- I want to play the game properly, after all :)
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Peace keeper rucious IS acting very suspicious
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I think Shankski has been very silent up until the moment he had a chance to point fingers at someone! He may be the killer...
however Tyler is lurking around silently, not saying a word, he's the last one, therefore he must be a bad guy! LYNCH HIM!!!!
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So yeah do we believe that Rucious is a cop a or that he is a mafioso trying to be sneaky. Do we really think Rucious is that sneaky?
Only time will tell.
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Time. Time or lynching! LYNCH THE MAFIOSA!
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Tyler, what do you have to say to Shiftey's words?
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I think Shankski has been very silent up until the moment he had a chance to point fingers at someone! He may be the killer...
however Tyler is lurking around silently, not saying a word, he's the last one, therefore he must be a bad guy! LYNCH HIM!!!!
I've been quietly assessing the situation.
You are also quite quick to place the blame
Something Shiftey is going on..... xD
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Something Shiftey is going on..... xD
Ooooooh I see what you did there!
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I am a simple villager scared for his life! CRIMINALS MUST BE FOUND AND BROUGHT TO LIGHT!
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I'm using Delling2 because my other account has too much access to other things on the forum -- I want to play the game properly, after all :)
...this is so fucking suspicious, really - pretty sure you can just fix your own account to villagerrights or just make the secret underforum unavailable to you.
Making another account and being so vocal about it is pretty pretty suspicious.
On the flip side, it'd be silly of Palmar to make you an actual mafioso, seeing there's a pretty big chance people would want to off you first.
Or he could just be doublebluffing and overestimate our abilities and think we won't kill you early, thus making you an excellent mafioso.
Either way, I'd love if you were a cop or something but it'd be such a pain if you were a mafioso. Either way, to conclude... Suspicious as hell.
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and you want us to believe you Shiftey?
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Just to be clear, I asked delling to use the second account before I revealed his role to him. This is due to his primary account having huge access to online/activity/access statistics that could help reveal game information.
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... and I've been your guild leader for 4 (5?) years! WHERE'S THE FAITH?!?!
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... and I've been your guild leader for 4 (5?) years! WHERE'S THE FAITH?!?!
BECAUSE you've been our guild leader for 4 (5?) years!
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So I have been running a blacksmith in this town for 20 years and until now I haven't had to pay protection money, so I haven't any problems with the mafia. But now that they have killed our priest something must be done.
I expect the cops to be starting a thorough investigation and until that I think the only prudent thing would be to lynch nachmanun. He calls me "MEH" and "WONKY".
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... and I've been your guild leader for 4 (5?) years! WHERE'S THE FAITH?!?!
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12:27:28 <Rucious> criminals are good people
LYNCH HIM
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Before I clicked that, Kesh, I knew it would be George Michael :P
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12:27:28 <Rucious> criminals are good people
LYNCH HIM
Why not you?
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I would have linked Keep the faith from dangerous
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Picture Rucious rollin'.
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12:27:28 <Rucious> criminals are good people
LYNCH HIM
Why not you?
I'm not the one conspiring with criminals :(
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Tyler and Ino, awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwfully quiet...
They don't seem to have turned up to this town meeting.
They have more important things to take care off maybe?
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Yes, perhaps destroy all evidence of the crime and hide the murder weapon.
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Hugman has a good point there, instead of jumping in conclusion you might wanna reconsider your ideas, TTaM.
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Rucious, it may cost you to lure of the sudden attraction.
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I voted Delling just now because he's my main suspect of being a Ninja.
He loves to plot, always pacts and has a secret agenda... I'd rather accidentally have him killed on the first lynch than having him around as a ninja/mafioso.
I just hope he's not a bluestuffsthingy.
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You do realise that the roles are random right?
And basing it on a persons normal personality is silly, unless he has said, or done something for you to think he is acting that way.
Got any proof or such? Rather than the chance we kill a townie?
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I'm innocent goddammit, just busy!
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Palmar said it's random but controlled.
At this point we don't have any type of evidence towards anyone, everything is suspicious and everyone is trying to cover their ass, looking at it completely logically, as long as Delling is not a cop or doc it'll be a fair tradeoff as I sorta see him as one of the bigger forces to be reckoned with.
But also anyone who has played civ with Tyler know that he's usually quiet up to the point where he stabs you.
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True dat.
But on the same civ-though, dell plays nice with everyone, until his Roman Legionaries have built up critical mass, and then bio-balls your homeland.
So there could be some truth to your accusation, however, unless there is more, its not worth it if he is a cop or doc.
Losing a cop/doc is normally fatal at this point.
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In that line of thought we should just vote not to lynch anyone then, seeing everyone have the exact same statistical chance of being a cop or a doc.
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Good point.
Back to suspecting Tyler and Ino it is then.
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this hugman is awfully quick to point fingers
do you maybe have something to hide?
HMM
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this hugman is awfully quick to point fingers
do you maybe have something to hide?
HMM
Your avatar is even pointing fingers!
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Yeah!
And you even confessed the priest was fiddling you!
You have more motive then the rest of us to want him dead!
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it was a very traumatic experiance that i was trying to forget :(
see how he points a finger at me now trying to place the blame on someone else!
also nach they are just cute girls doing cute things
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I agree, I am usually the plotting type, but I don't really have the time to create some elaborate plot for this game! Too many variables (and I still don't really understand the rules).
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As much as I loathe agreeing with Hugman, I share his suspicion - Ino and Tyler have been a bit too short 'n nice.. clearly mindgames going on!
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Also remember, It's the first night, and we still outnumber the mob 2:1. They have no idea who the cop/vig/doc/ninja is, so their initial targets will either be: totally random, "lets kill him cos I don't like him", or "lets silence blah blah, as they are being to vocal in the right direction".
They could (but very unlikely) get some votes on killing Mafioso, just to throw us off, but since we still have large numbers going for us, its a bit silly, on the off chance they kill one of their 5 guys.
To beat them we have to think like them, or provoke some drama, so one of them slips up!
Keep in mind that as a townie, you need to focus on working towards helping the town win, even if you have to sacrifice yourself to do so.
Come tomorrow, the tracker/cop should have some data, and can start pushing towards getting a proper Mafia lynch. But they should not, under any circumstances reveal there role, as it makes them instance targets. And the mob has 2 kills per night, so even the doctor will not save you, if they know you are the cop.
Keep this in mind, if I don't survive the night...
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How should the tracker/cop reveal their info? A PM to a trusted person?
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I cannot believe an english teacher just used the wrong 'there' !
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How should the tracker/cop reveal their info? A PM to a trusted person?
However you like...
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You can trust no one!
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How should the tracker/cop reveal their info? A PM to a trusted person?
I would say with great care.
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Dunno, as unless they have spent a day ensuring the person they pm isn't a mob, they could just be pm-ing the fact they are a cop to the mob.
I guess the cop has to try and steer the people into lynching the guy he knows is a mob, or provoking him into revealing it.
Nice short post to insinuate you are part of us townsfolk dell, short but sweet.
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Well, I mean, the villager special roles are pointless unless they share their knowledge, right?
(Ah, good point, re: gently steering.)
I think PMs with trusted people would be better though.
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Woa Hugman, you're quick at pointing fingers. How suspicious.
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Woa Hugman, you're quick at pointing fingers. How suspicious.
Heh,
Oh look Ino has finished cleaning the blood off his fingers, and has decided to turn up for the town meeting.
How quaint.
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I really am immensely busy today, but even with a cursory glance I can see Hugman is guilty as sin.
His gums have been flapping far to much for an innocent man.
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I really am immensely busy today, but even with a cursory glance I can see Hugman is guilty as sin.
His gums have been flapping far to much for an innocent man.
Yes, cos that's what the mob does. Draws lots of attention to themselves on the first day, so they can reduce their numbers quickly and lose fast...
No, what they do, is try to jump in and pile votes on a townie, so they get 3 dead townies by the end of first day.
But you wouldn't know anything about that tyler...humm?
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I really am immensely busy today, but even with a cursory glance I can see Hugman is guilty as sin.
His gums have been flapping far to much for an innocent man.
Yes, cos that's what the mob does. Draws lots of attention to themselves on the first day, so they can reduce their numbers quickly and lose fast...
You'd like everyone to think that, eh?!
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Yes, cos that's what the mob does. Draws lots of attention to themselves on the first day, so they can reduce their numbers quickly and lose fast...
Well you are a noob at this game. I don't think you would last very long in the real mafia...
The very fact that you have voted for me with very little reasoning just convices me more. There seems to be no doubt in your mind. That can only come from not really caring.
I suggest all other townies change vote to hugman. I am prepared to reap what I sow should I have made a mistake.
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Well you are a noob at this game. I don't think you would last very long in the real mafia...
Pfft, ha!
Yeah.... because that's what this is about.
The very fact that you have voted for me with very little reasoning just convices me more. There seems to be no doubt in your mind. That can only come from not really caring.
I suggest all other townies change vote to hugman. I am prepared to reap what I sow should I have made a mistake.
I have voted for you because I have my suspicions. Besides that it is the first day, and no one has actually died from a proper Mafia hit, nor had time to investigate/track etc... so there isn't really any proper evidence short of what people have posted or said on irc.
Had I done ##vote /random, it would have had just as much legitimacy, as if I had voted for you, or whoever; as there hasn't been a Mob hit yet, nor any apparent mistakes by the mob, which gives them away. There is still a whole day left, and I can change my vote at will (should I feel another is more likely to be Mafioso). I don't see you moaning about the others voting "with very little reasoning".
Besides which you accuse me of voting without having anything to back it up, when you did exactly the same thing and voted for me beforehand? Right.
I suggest all other townies change vote to hugman. I am prepared to reap what I sow should I have made a mistake.
This statement on the other hand, is pretty dangerous for a supposed townie. If lets say you are a Mafioso, and then get some townies to jump on the bandwagon with your mob brothers, then well, you end up getting 3 kills on the first night, and then what? "You will reap what you sow"? How exactly? They still won't be sure if you are a Mob or not, as you could just be a new townie, who didn't know better. And then we are one townie down.
If you are a townie, well then you have just gotten one of us Lynched, based on little information, while gaining us nothing, as we wouldn't know who of the voters were townies and who were mobsters.
There is a big difference between someone "casting their individual vote" on some other player, and someone "rounding up people to Lynch someone based on how they feel". The latter is the act of either a Mobster, or an townie idiot.
Had it been day 2, then your statement could be based on something, cop information or whatever. Since its not, we can assume you aren't a cop, and either one of the above.
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More gum flapping :) Guilty I say.
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Tyler is playing the cop role atm. any ideas guys?
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It's not a good idea to out the cop in public, Rucious. Do you want your mafia friends to find out who it is?
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some of my suspissions are growing larger =P
a few people being a little too quiet maybe...
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Where is Cwave...
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I love how it almost seem like people are annoyed by other people voting for them.
Lets see how the numbers look tomorrow night. Im really considering changing my vote to certain people.
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Except Nach, he doesn't seem to care that I voted for him :P
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Except Nach, he doesn't seem to care that I voted for him :P
I assumed it was a taunt :P
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Oh good afternoon gentlemen. How is lunchtime?
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The kfc tasted good brah
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Where is Cwave...
Here Hugman...... I hear bad things have been told about you....
How have you sunken so low as to murdering our Priest, known as Palmar with the hairy Scabs?
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The more I think about it the more I feel I should just stick with my gut feeling. Lynch Hugman! We can't afford miss this oportunity. Those mobsters will try and kill someone in the night, making it even harder to get a lynch vote.
I could start talking about how his main defence was to lash out at me, not protest his own innocence, but I fear that is over analyising. It might make me look pretty silly if i'm wrong too..
P.S. wtb doc protection for tonight
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does anyone know if Tyler plays poker?
it would be almost giving Tyler a double kill if he is mafia. both lynching an innocent and wasting a doctor.
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does anyone know if Tyler plays poker?
it would be almost giving Tyler a double kill if he is mafia. both lynching an innocent and wasting a doctor.
That's a very valid question for you , Tyler.....!
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I have played a little poker :) Not much though, and I am worse than I hoped to be. Terrible at bluffing!
This would be an "all in" bluff from me if I was mafia scum. I don't think I would ever be that brave. I fear are straying into over analysis here.
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The more I think about it the more I feel I should just stick with my gut feeling. Lynch Hugman! We can't afford miss this oportunity. Those mobsters will try and kill someone in the night, making it even harder to get a lynch vote.
I could start talking about how his main defence was to lash out at me, not protest his own innocence, but I fear that is over analyising. It might make me look pretty silly if i'm wrong too..
P.S. wtb doc protection for tonight
Ha. Tbh I didn't feel the need to "protest my own innocence" as you put it, since I wasn't the one throwing around "lets all gather and lynch him based on my individual gut feeling!". But if it makes anyone feel any better:
I am not a Mafioso, I am a Townie.
It doesn't come much clearer than that.
You on the other hand, continue to make odd statements.
This whole "oh... bluffing...good heavens no! I do think I could do that, frightfully wicked business; oh I need to go lie down, I feel a little faint." act is very amusing. Utterly unconvincing, but rather amusing never the less. Does anyone really believe you wouldn't be capable of bluffing on a forum ?
And now I see you are calling for a Doc protection... Which in my book is strike number two, as we know you aren't the cop, so Its a rather strange thing to ask for, as It wouldn't save you if you really were the cop, after drawing that much attention to yourself. If you were a townie, calling for it would be a rather selfish act, as it deprives it off important blues, like the Cop/vig/tracker, which to the town as a whole, are far more important. No, most likely you are a mob, and are calling for this on the hope you can get a lynching kill, 2 night kills, and waste our doc save.
Very suspicious.
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How do we know Tyler isn't the cop? And why would you narrow the number of Mafia targets?!
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How do we know Tyler isn't the cop? And why would you narrow the number of Mafia targets?!
Simply because the Cop (and the other blues) needs to survive the first night to have any effect. Calling for the doc, is pointless if the mob think he is a cop, as they get two kills, which ensure his death, if they know its him. If they are smart the blues are lying low right now, until they can get some info after the first night.
The main people who will be posting at this point will be towies (like me) who have no powers and can only have an effect in this game by posting info or discussions which direct ppl to lynch the right dudes and provoke foolish mafia responses ; or mobsters which just tend to try and turn one against one another, and jump on lynching bandwagons.
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Im at the point where I think Hugman and Tyler are just two inbred townies not worth voting for. On the other hand they could both be mafia trying to confuse us.
Think Im gonna go for my first thought and vote for arches.
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If they are smart the blues are....
This choice of words fits a mobster, speaking of the blues in the 3rd person. :x
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And i don't understand why Ino hasn't voted yet.
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LYNCH HIM!
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If they are smart the blues are....
This choice of words fits a mobster, speaking of the blues in the 3rd person. :x
Yes... that's totally relevant.
I know I am a townie. Tyler could be a mobster, or could be a townie like me, and we could both be being idiots...
Cwave on the other hand, hasn't posted much, and what he has tends to be single line accusations without any sort of logical back up, or reasoning. And he was very quick to change his vote to jumping on the bandwagon of voting me, without any sort of explanation.
I may have to change my vote.
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I decided to vote on you based on clear reasoning by Tyler and the fact that by that reasoning, you have the biggest chance of being a mobster in our town.
Unless someone else makes a mistake and reveals himself as a mobster, my vote stands for now.
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check Irc logs from last night. Arches might be mafia
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Hmm, I think I actually agree with Hugman in this case. I think Cwave could be a mobster.
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The thing is a split vote means nothing really. If we all vote for who we think is the most likely a mobster we will probably never lynch anyone. We have to find a way of getting a majority. This will become harder and harder as the mob whack the good guys.
I guess it would not be the end of the world if the first day is split though, better than lynching an innocent. However if we are going to take chances the earlier the better. Hmm I am conficted.
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So we can choose not to lynch anyone?
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(if that wasn't clear, a non-majority vote results in a really sad executioner)
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Careful now, if you try to even the votes, the mafia might change their vote in the last minute! Getting a lynch on a townie and then two kills during the night. Not of to a good start
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I could compromise on Arches Grax. He does seem quite eager for the night to come.
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So we can choose not to lynch anyone?
Yup, hell, we can even secretly selfvote.
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How do you secretly self-vote? All voting is public.
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You PM the other guys you suspect being villagers and selfvote in a pact at the last second, to steer away a first night lynch.
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Ino just voted Vorte in the vote thread...
I'm more suspicious of Inos silence than of Hugmans or Shifteys gumflap, obviously not trying to stir any type of shit.
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I'm pretty suspicious of Vorte. He's said practically nothing.
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I was just questioning Ino a bit in a query on irc.. obviously what I said hit straight home. Ino is definetly not to be trusted.
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By quary on irc I obviously mean a chat in the town park.
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I was just questioning Ino a bit in a query on irc.. obviously what I said hit straight home. Ino is definetly not to be trusted.
Right. If anything you were the one who was being suspicious in the park. Very vocal when I accused you.
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Vorte often hangs around in the park, acting suspiciously.
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TTaM tries to blame on someone else obviously.
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I'm pretty suspicious of Vorte. He's said practically nothing.
That's because there's little to nothing we know at this point, other than arches's slip-up.. Not sure if anyone but Hug and Tyler have said anything substantial at all! Wifom, as have been pointed out countless times over irc :)
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Wifom? Is that code for "im a ninja" ?
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Has anyone seen Delling btw? He's been very silent all this time.
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Wifom? Is that code for "im a ninja" ?
Wine in front of me.
Were you not part of the small-talk on irc yesternight?
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Wine_In_Front_Of_Me
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Has anyone seen Delling btw? He's been very silent all this time.
I'm sure he's working in the background to kill us all!
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There TTaM goes again. He seriously wants to blame us for what he did.
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Has anyone seen Delling btw? He's been very silent all this time.
I've said this so many times that it's probably getting tedious and suspicious by now (but tbh, what isn't suspicious at this point, I think my mind is going to have a meltdown soon), but my number one contender for Ninja is Delling. Like 40%.
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Can someone help me with this zip? This ninja suit is really hard to take off.
But no, seriously, I have a full-time day job now, so I don't really have time to do much on the forum!
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Good night everyone!
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Tis a cold night with a hint of death in the air.
I hope we make it through the night....
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To your homes people!
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Not if I have anything to say about it, Shankski!
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Should I perish this foul night, know that it was vorte who came to pick a fight!
I plee for a doctors rescue, so I can still be of great value!
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Night Decends!
After a long day of squabbling, plotting, arguing and shouting, the villagers of Edgeville are no closer to finding out who is behind the senseless killing. The atmosphere is solemn as the townsfolk head home to their houses, lock their doors and try to seal their windows.
The night is a dangerous time...
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A quick rule clarification post:
The mafia has 2 kills for the night. Each kill must be delivered by one person from the mafia. Only the members actually delivering the kill can be seen moving in the night. In addition, any mafia using special roles (framer/hooker) will also be seen moving in the night. (By Watchers/Tracker).
The same goes for special town roles. If a vigilante doesn't shoot, a doctor doesn't protect etc. then that member will not be seen moving in the night by a tracker.
Cops will always receive people's status if they investigate them in the night, but of course millers/frame targets might give false positives, and the godfather will give a false negative.
If roleblocked (hooker) you will simply be unable to perform your role. You will know you got roleblocked, but you will not know by whom.
If you die, you won't know by whose hand you died. There is no way to distinguish between ninja/vigilante/mafia kills.
In one hour the night will end. You will receive PM's about the results of your night actions, and I will open the thread with a daybreak announcement.
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All PMs about night actions have now been sent out.
I'm unlocking this thread, enjoy the blame-game!
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It's a red sun that rises after a long night. As the villagers meet on the town square, once again, to resume the investigation of the murder of their priest, they notice that not everyone has returned.
Globox - Tracker - Has been brutally murdered
Ezzardo - Villager - Has died a bloody death
It is now Day 2! Night will arrive 23:59 Monday evening
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A tracker! :(
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Niew a fucking tracker
These mafiosa hit us hard
Any info from the cop? (maybe need a messenger of some description)
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Ezzardo voted for Rucious and got into an argument with him, people have been killed for less!
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Wonder how they died by a shot of a gun or bieng stabbed by knives or swords as ninja's do from time to time... unless they are modern ninja's
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Wonder how they died by a shot of a gun or bieng stabbed by knives or swords as ninja's do from time to time... unless they are modern ninja's
What do modern ninjas use, Grishnag?
Silent members of our village have fallen - I prepose a mass grave where we can just keep piling bodies on the fundament of Palmar our beloved saint of the cloth...!
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Wonder how they died by a shot of a gun or bieng stabbed by knives or swords as ninja's do from time to time... unless they are modern ninja's
What do modern ninjas use, Grishnag?
shurican cannons
allthough that might turn them into eldar
so i guess normal guns?
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I had to go to the village library to google the eldar and their weaponary.. quite facinating! I also noticed a bloodied piece of cloth on the floor.. can we get the doc to do a DNA on it?
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we have a village library? i just use the intrawebs
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Ezzardo came up with nothing but blaming me, I guess he made himself bait and others took it. unfortunate. Grishnag seems to be knowledgable about those guns and etc. Vorte have seem some interests and TTaM tries to be playing an innocent role by crying that he is innocent. Apparently doctor's protection was useless for that night. We have some silent people around. We should figure this out before we get killed.
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Hah, I survive! *fist pump*
Sucks we lost Ino. He will be missed. I don't think I ever really met Ezzardo... he struck me as one of those weirdos that kind of lived on the edge of the village and... talked to his sheep.
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"talked"
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"talked"
Beat me to it!
On a more important note, TTaM just flat out lied to me in our internet relay chat to cover his ass, there's not a doubt in my mind that he's part of the mob, lynch him tonight, I say!
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What?! I was sending a pm, not my fault that the forum is broken!
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Why would the forum be broken just when you sendt your pm and a minute after it was magically "fixed"?
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Ino was a blue?
...fuck.
Ezzardo was great cannonfodder though. :P
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Why would the forum be broken just when you sendt your pm and a minute after it was magically "fixed"?
Spent a good 20 minutes trying to replicate this with Vorte just now and it seems the only time it reoccurred was when I pm'd myself a message... but then it didn't the second or third time. Most confusing.
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Ezzardo came up with nothing but blaming me, I guess he made himself bait and others took it.
Hmm, is blaming you a reason for the mob to kill him?
Only if he was onto something...
There were many suspicions and accusations flying around
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Ha? What are u up to?
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Well there is many possible reasons why he may have died or it could have just been random.
Was just saying IF that was the reason he was killed he may have been right to accuse you. Otherwise why were other people not killed that blamed you or others?
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shooting at me now shanks? I know where you getting at.
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doctor's protection was useless for that night
Little bit too informed aren't we? Sounds like mafia if you know that much.
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Shit just got real. We are 2 villagers down, so 9 non-mafia vs 5 mafia. Lets guess that 2 of the 9 are ninjas. We need to lynch someone tonight, or it will be 7-5 and the villagers will be relying on the ninjas.
I think we messed up not lynching someone on the first night. In a game of incomplete information the only thing we can be sure of is the way people vote. Voting records are the only facts that the non-mafia can truly rely on. Even if we had lynched a villager it would have gained us valuable info.
Now the mafia targets were a little strange, they whacked 2 players who had not posted much. Not posting is anti-town. It gives us, the players with the most limited info, nothing to work with. The mob must have thought that Globox was a blue, maybe the cop, so whacked him on that basis. Ezzardo is also an odd choice. He had only posted a couple of times, and said something vague about Rucious. My best guess is that this is some sort of subterfuge. The mob have seem Rucious' odd posting pattern and are trying to frame him.
Now lets look at votes. Cwave, Delling and Nach all altered their vote to Hugman. Now I did make some kind of case against him, but none of those guys did any hand wringing about my logic.
Now I know that some people are using PMs to communicate. I am going to post all my thoughts openly in this thread. We villagers are already far behind in information. More secrecy can only help the mob. If you PM a mobster you can be sure that all the other scum will see it, further increasing the information gap. So I am going to list all my suspicions about all the remaining player, ordered by likelihood of being Mafia.
Archz: I am pretty sure he is the mob. He was very keen for night to come and has not conviced me/changed the subject when I have accused him.
Cwave: Started off on the Rucious bandwagon, switched to Hugman when that one was bigger. Has not really engaged in detective efforts. Guilty I say.
Vorte: Oddly switched vote to Rucious just before time up. No real reason to. Part of the "lynch Rucious" conspiracy I recon. Also was accusing Globox before he died. Has accused Ttam randomly and only really given us gnomic utterances since the killings.
Shankski: Talks a bit but doesn't say much. Looks to me like he is pretending to be involved while not actually interested in the investigation.
Grishnag: Pretty quiet. Not really sure about Grish. Need more info.
TTaM: I am conficted about matt. He could be playing a good mafia game or a bad villager game. Only time will tell.
Delling: Far to quiet. I am not sure if mob or not. Possibly an ninja.
Nachman: Gut feeling he is a ninja too.
Kawe: Also far to quiet. Claims to be doing investigations with PMs. I need more evidence to allay my suspicions.
Rucious: Suspicious because of scatter gun accusations. The main reason I don't suspect him is the Ezzardo thing, looks like he is being set up as the fall guy.
Shiftey: Talks a bit, doesn't say much. He was convinced that Globox was scum, but it turns out he was a blue.
Hugman: Has kinda talked me out of my initial assessment. If he is mafia he is playing a blinder. He is probably a villager. Talks a lot which is good.
Graxlos: Good talker. If he is mafia he is playing the best game of anyone. I'm not ruling that out though, Grax is very smart.
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After going through all the posts, I have to say Cwave being a mafia is very much a possibility. Any accusations against him were dismissed by comments of burying a body of our priest and waiting (yes he wanted to stall and delay lynching) for another day.
Once some accusations were going on, he jumped on a bandwagon to lynch those people when it was convenient. Mainly speaking of Rucious and Hugman. He also changed his vote accordingly.
I say....
LYNCH HIM!!!!!
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Archz is also top of my 'could be a Mafia' list... so... I say LYNCH ARCHZ!
Good analysis, Tyler; and thanks for sharing the data.
Did anyone else accuse Globox before he died? It would make sense that the Mafia were talking about Globox long before he got killed...
[Shift's message just came in.]
LYNCH ARCHZ AND CWAVE!
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A very nice assessment, Tyler! I think you've hit the nail on the head with regards to lynching. Somebody needs to die tonight. Who, though? I'd suggest somebody puts a name forward and we just go for it.
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Well, two people have said Archz now... perhaps we should stick with that?
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Safety in numbers, I say. Even if we're wrong... at least we're wrong together.
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Group hug!
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Now that Tyler's been so outspoken, we should definitely try to get him some protection from a doctor, or something.
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My last minute switch to Rucious was because it looked like he slipped up on irc, but it was just misscommunication.. but why would you say I'm coming forth with gnomish gibberish? TTaM lied for no reason, I'm not sure why you'd ignore that completely unless you aim to protect him - if anyone should get lynched tonight it should be TTaM or Tyler, clearly the most outspoken of the mafioso.
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Remember if you want to lynch somebody, you can only have a maximum of 1 wayward vote... there's already 2!
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Since the mafia is too busy plotting on irc to answer there, what's a wayward vote?
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For the sake of information -- if anyone doesn't want to vote for Archz, please say why. Maybe we've missed something.
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Perhaps we should all share our thoughts like Tyler did? I'm indifferent when it comes to Arches, he's either a ninja or a terrible blue in my eyes - if he is a blue he will probably speak up soon..
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Just wondering what Archz did? I heard he slipped up on IRC or something.
Would like the information before I give anyone my vote.
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Just wondering what Archz did? I heard he slipped up on IRC or something.
Would like the information before I give anyone my vote.
He practically admitted he had special powers.
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Didnt say what side tho?
Would be shit if hes a Doc or something.
Possibly would make him a target for the mafiosa too.
Lets be careful guys
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If we're careful, we lose.
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Yes but if we are hastey and lynch someone the mafiosa has suggested we will also lose.
We still have a while to vote and I do realize we need a majority vote. Not lynching someone tonight will definitely be a waste.
I'm just concerned that the mafiosa are trying to sway our votes towards a townie.
Hopefully some more information will come up soon.
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my posting is slightly limited by the fact that my wife is home for the weekend. I have a theory but I'm not quite ready to share it with the mafiA
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Posting my thoughts in the manner of Tyler, sorted by likelyhood of affiliation to the mafia.
TTaM: Is mafia, guilty as sin, I'll probably need a doc tonight for being as outspoken about TTaM as I am, but I am willing to take that risk. If we don't lynch mafia tonight we are pretty much screwed.. why Tyler is giving him credit for playing a good mafia game is beyond me, he's been more suspicious than anyone when we've been chatting over TS, and he lied(!) on irc, which the lot of you mysteriously choose to ignore. LYNCH!
Tyler: Doing his walls of text, quite clearly has a big role here.. how big is the question! His first accusation(that hugman was guilty) he has now withdraw, which leads me to believe Hug is the mafia's next target. Not sure whether he or grax is head of the mafia.
Shankski: Again, partially agree with Tyler's read, plus he says some really weird shit, like Rucious. Feels like he's posting mainly to post, not to say anything. Possibly a ninja, but probably part of the mob.
Graxlos: Like kawe, been on my list of mafia from the get-go. Once again, Tyler giving credit where it is not due... sure Grax is is a clever dane, probably the only in the whole country, but my gut has been telling me he's guilty. Probably the head of the mafia, even.
Kawe: Been on my list as "mafia" from the get-go. Faaar too quiet. The whole "doing stuff in pms" is a load of crap, he has barely used the forum, playing sc all day and being mad.
Delling: I know Dell is busy, but I'm sure he aims to fulfill his role in this game. I doubt Dell would be given a boring villager role in this game, even though it's "random", and as such, I believe he's either part of the mob, or a ninja - right now I'm leaning towards ninj... what did you conduct from tonights investigation, Dell?
Rucious: I honestly have no idea, but my gut says he's a terrible ninja or a simple townsman.
NachmanOUUUUN: Might be part of the Mafia, but I doubt it.. Then again, whatever Tyler half-way defends I get suspicious of.. I share his gut-feeling about Nach being a ninja.
Cwave: I can agree with Tyler's readings here, but I doubt he is part of the mob. There are just way better candidates, as the number of mafia is 5.
Grishnag: Grish comes forth as a calm camel to me, he's either playing a great mafia part, or he's a bit too passive villager. That Tyler says he doesn't have enough info to have an opinion does make me suspicious, however...
Archz: As I said, I'm indifferent when it comes to Arches, he's either a ninja or a terrible blue in my eyes - if he is a blue he will probably speak up soon..
Shiftey: One of our outspoken blue villagers, or the best mafia. Very keen on lynching, which is what we must do tonight, and the right guy at that! Even though Ino was a blue, I believe most found him suspicious..
Hugman: Hugman is probably up next on the mafia hit-list, unless he's got protection in form of being a vigilante(I'll need the doc!) I was suspecting that Hu and Tyler were doing textwalls together to throw us off, but as Tyler said, he has talked his way out of it.. if Hugman is part of the mob everyone I suspect are probably innoecent.. which I doubt!
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What weird shit have i said Vorte?
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What weird shit have i said Vorte?
What weird shit have you not said, everyone of your posts are odd! Unless this is how you write, then I'm sorry. You want to sit back and chill when we rely on lynching the right people, and it has to happen from tonight forwards..!
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What was this lie on IRC vorte from ttam, I missed it.
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He claimed to be sending a message to a raider, and the action "Unknown action" was listed on the bottom of the forum(the who's online tab), when we all know it would say "sending a message".
[01:32] <TTaM> need to know what's causing the problem so we can fix the forum
[01:32] <TTaM> we dont want anyone else falsely accused!
[01:32] <Vorte> try sending a message to your mafia group again
[01:32] <Vorte> odds are it'll say "UNKNOWN ACTION"
[01:32] <TTaM> now?:(
[01:33] <Vorte> Viewing the board index of Iron Edge.
[01:33] <TTaM> well i've done everything i did
[01:33] <Vorte> Did you try sending a message to your super secret mafia group?
[01:33] <TTaM> now?
[01:34] <Vorte> Yep
[01:34] <Vorte> Busted.
[01:34] <TTaM> ah ha
[01:34] <TTaM> im reading a pm i've sent
[01:34] <TTaM> now?
[01:35] <Vorte> Which makes [01:11] <TTaM> somebody sent me a pm about missing a raid
[01:35] <Vorte> [01:11] <TTaM> i was replying
[01:35] <Vorte> a lie
[01:35] <Vorte> Viewing their messages. now
[01:35] <Vorte> And why would you ever lie...
GUILTY AS SIN!
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I don't see where the lie is - I was doing some pms and it came up with that. As for the 'i was reading a pm i sent', i'd sent it to myself to test. It's entirely possible that you saw the "Who's Online" page when I was reading the pm I got, not when I was replying...
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You sendt a pm to yourself about a raider missing a raid?..
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I sent a pm to myself to test to see if that error message came up. Did it several times during that debug session. I got palmar to send me messages, too. The error message popped up once after i'd sent a message to myself, but not on further messages.
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I'm talking about the first one, not during the debug session.. Are you done walking around the porrage now?
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I was reading and then replying to a pm and an error message came up during that. It came up again when I was sending a message to myself to try and track down the problem. What's the problem?
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Aha, well thanks for making that clear NOW.. I still believe you're mafia, regardless of your forum warlockism. Awaiting more mafia to make fun of me now!
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Thats all very good vorte, but I don't think it sits well. If you think I'm the mob why copy my post style and even some phrases. This attempt at mirroring is probably because you know I am innocent. You want to fake post like an innocent villager.
I like the way you have at least 7 probable mafia. You know its only 5 but are just trying to spread the blame round a bit. I like the half hearted attempy to help out your friend Arches, who you are pretty much throwing to the wolves with a shrug as you know he has messed up.
The best part is asking for protection. That final mirror has me convinced you are mob scum! Still the text wall should mean you survive longer than the others. Non-posters are the ones we wanna lynch first.
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I have to agree with tyler there, add to that equation the fact you were trying to get people talk on teamspeak and figure out who's a blue (as a probable target for mafia), it definitely adds to the possibility.
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Oh good!
People are finally making intelligent posts now. Was getting depressed that I was the only real one making serious posts yesterday, and all it got me was lots of votes at the end. I guess I was too over eager on the first day for some town success.
Excellent post Vorte and Tyler.
Ill give my two cents on the current states of the players:
Ino and Ezzardo. I believe that they were killed for being too quiet, which made the Mob suspect they were blues attempting to lay low. Kinda sucks we lost a blue first night, but this is what happens when you don't do much first day, it looks suspicious. Since they weren't the only two people who were rather quiet, it kinda makes me suspicious of the quiet ones that weren't killed (people like Kawe and Shankski and possibly Dell) as they wouldn't have been hit if they were mobsters being quiet.
Arches. That Arches he's so hot right now. Seems to be getting a lot of "Arches is definitely Mafia!" posts, though I haven't seen anything actually suspicious from him. However, the big weirdness he has done, is some flowery "Doc save me!" post, which he did after he got an accusation from Gaieos that he said something on the irc logs which indicates he is Mafia. He then points the finger at Vorte, saying he suspects Vorte is the mobster who will get him killed. Now the day after, Vorte posts and says he has no reason to suspect Arches.
That whole thing is fucking weird, and I am sure if we keep poking about on these posts, we can shakedown a clear Mafia monkey.
First off, Gaieos. Your accusation that Arches is Mob because of something he said in irc, needs either to be clearly clarified, or posted so we can all can see what went down, which caused you to accuse him, and change your vote to him. If you don't or your what you post seems a little weird, of has holes, you just became an extremely likely Mafioso.
Secondly, Arches himself. You need to speak up and either do a very good job of explaining your weird actions, accusations and stuff said on irc, or frankly, you are a good candidate to be lynched .
And then finally Vorte. I seem to remember you saying stuff in Irc about suspecting Arches as Mafioso, and even directly accusing him of being so, though, the weird thing is, I cannot find anything actually posted to that effect from you, and I do remember you saying such on irc. Now, today, we get you "indifferent about Arches". This seems like quite a change of opinion... and it looks extremely suspicious to me, as such a change without logical back up, looks like a mobster switching his targets, after a couple of mob kills. I say this, even after you made quite a logical post, and then called for me to get the Doc protection (which in itself, is either a good indication of you being a townine, or a Mafioso wanting to waste one, on a person he knows isn't the cop). I am teeter-tottering between thinking you are Mob or town, and you need to speak up and defend your actions.
Anyway This has been quite a long post already, and I will go over my other suspicions a bit later, so not to swamp you with a massive post of doom.
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Uh Hug, I think that pretty much defines massive post of doom. Like, your third one. I've been sharing my suspicions with a couple of people now and ideally get enough information to safely share more of as the day goes on. The profiling you've been doing is, I think, the correct approach at least. Your textwalls out-of-nowhere are still pretty suspect to me especially when you're not dead, so I'll come out and say that I'm thinking you're either a great villager or a great mafia player.
With Grax I'm pretty completely unsure of where I stand. Not calling for a doc, but claiming to be one on day 1 in irc right off the bat is peculiar behaviour. Arches and Rucious also on the weirdo list for pretty obvious reasons.
Vorte is a little peculiar. Claims to have everything worked out quite confidently.
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For what it's worth, the 'what are users doing on the forum?' page is not always accurate or up to date. Sometimes it takes a few seconds/minutes for it to update -- you can be on the home page, but it can show you doing something else. No idea what Kesh's 'unknown action' was -- I've never seen that before. I'd just call it a temporary glitch :)
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Thats all very good vorte, but I don't think it sits well. If you think I'm the mob why copy my post style and even some phrases. This attempt at mirroring is probably because you know I am innocent. You want to fake post like an innocent villager.
I like the way you have at least 7 probable mafia. You know its only 5 but are just trying to spread the blame round a bit. I like the half hearted attempy to help out your friend Arches, who you are pretty much throwing to the wolves with a shrug as you know he has messed up.
The best part is asking for protection. That final mirror has me convinced you are mob scum! Still the text wall should mean you survive longer than the others. Non-posters are the ones we wanna lynch first.
Why would I not copy your style? It was a clean way to do it, I'd like everyone to post their thoughts!(I posted that already) Fake post? What's fake about it? I am, unlike you, an innocent villager, I do not play your mind games..
Arches is special, I know the guy through and through, and as I already said, he's either a ninja or a blue. I'm failing to see how me saying this is "helping" Arches.. Don't see what's wrong with being suspicious of more than 5 people as mafia? I'm not denying my gut-feeling can be wrong, am I?
The last part of your accusations against me is just sad.. because I want protection for calling out TTaM as the mafia he is, me myself become a mafia in your eyes? Try me! Lynch TTaM tonight to see his true colours!
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A lot of people called out TTaM, I think you were the only one to call for protection because of that though. Also, if we lynch TTaM and he's mafia - which is something I actually agree with you on - that doesn't in any way make you exempt from being mafia like you're trying to imply it would.
-Join in on calls against someone who seems likely mafia
-Demand protection against mafia when no one else does despite doing the same as them
-Demand lynching of TTaM as though it somehow tests your... mafianess? mafiosity?
Not playing mind games?
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Secondly, Arches himself. You need to speak up and either do a very good job of explaining your weird actions, accusations and stuff said on irc, or frankly, you are a good candidate to be lynched .
And then finally Vorte. I seem to remember you saying stuff in Irc about suspecting Arches as Mafioso, and even directly accusing him of being so, though, the weird thing is, I cannot find anything actually posted to that effect from you, and I do remember you saying such on irc. Now, today, we get you "indifferent about Arches". This seems like quite a change of opinion... and it looks extremely suspicious to me, as such a change without logical back up, looks like a mobster switching his targets, after a couple of mob kills. I say this, even after you made quite a logical post, and then called for me to get the Doc protection (which in itself, is either a good indication of you being a townine, or a Mafioso wanting to waste one, on a person he knows isn't the cop). I am teeter-tottering between thinking you are Mob or town, and you need to speak up and defend your actions.
I had a look through the logs aswell, this is what I found..
[22:36] <Archeslaptop> I'm quite sure voorte is mafia
[22:36] <delling> gogo!
[22:37] <Vorte> Awesome, I just lost to emptyy playing protoss for the 5th time or something
[22:37] <Vorte> PROTOS XXDXDXD
[22:37] <+^Irony^> [TS] * Joins: Veilas
[22:37] <Vorte> You're probably the only one dumb enough to think I'm mafia, yeah
[22:37] <Shiftey> or maybe you are trying to pretend Vorte
[22:37] <Shiftey> LYNCH HIM!!!!!
[22:38] <Vorte> hahah
[23:13] <Archeslaptop> Everyone change their vote to vorte!
[23:13] <Hugman> mafia!
[23:14] <Archeslaptop> I had emptyy run in and check if vorte were mafia :P
[23:16] <Vorte> Emptyy actually knows what I am
[23:17] <Vorte> So.. better luck next time!
[23:17] <Archeslaptop> They also know what I am, so if you weren't mafia they would've told me!
[23:17] <Archeslaptop> Scum I say
[23:18] <Vorte> You should try acting less like an open book.
I don't relaly know how to search with irc and stuff, but this appears to be the only confrontations on irc between me and arches. Arches started a blame-game after his slip up where he admitted he had special powers. And since he was oh so afraid to be killed, I suppose the possibility of him being a ninja is out the window..
Aaaand, seing as TTaM just changed his vote to me, I believe this should turn into crystal for most :)
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I'm pretty sure that log implies that one of you is Mafia. I don't think it's Arch.
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A lot of people called out TTaM, I think you were the only one to call for protection because of that though. Also, if we lynch TTaM and he's mafia - which is something I actually agree with you on - that doesn't in any way make you exempt from being mafia like you're trying to imply it would.
-Join in on calls against someone who seems likely mafia
-Demand protection against mafia when no one else does despite doing the same as them
-Demand lynching of TTaM as though it somehow tests your... mafianess? mafiosity?
Not playing mind games?
I'm not joining in on calls, I made an entire post expressing MY views.
I did not demand lynching, it is obviously up to the good town itself, we are a democracy! I do however believe protection is best spendt on the most outspoken of the village, and as such, I believe placing protection on me is a good move.
Lynching TTaM and having him revealed as a ninja will not test my mafianess, but it will prove that I was right in this case, and I'm probably right in many of the other cases too... perhaps your time is better spendt analyzing the town as a whole, rather at making small dagger pinches at me for speaking my mind!
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I guess you didn't read my previous post :/
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I'm pretty sure that log implies that one of you is Mafia. I don't think it's Arch.
What part of "blame-game" did you not catch? Yes, arches does here imply I am the mafia. That was the entire point of finding it, to show hugman what he thought he remembered!
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I'm not referring to Arches. I'm referring to Empty. I'm pretty sure he would have said if you were both on the same team.
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I'm not referring to Arches. I'm referring to Empty. I'm pretty sure he would have said if you were both on the same team.
Why would he? I've explained in detail how this game works to emptyy, he'll probably join in next round, don't see why he'd want to ruin the game "just like that". I also happen to be living with Emptyy, he didn't even ask me what I was, I had told him while I was explaining him the game, hours before Arches started pointing fingers with his crooked hand.
Arches really has to come speak his mind though..
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What part of "blame-game" did you not catch? Yes, arches does here imply I am the mafia. That was the entire point of finding it, to show hugman what he thought he remembered!
Ah ok Vorte. Yeah I do remember some of that you posted, though you could have just left out some of your accusations toward Arches out.
So just to clarify, so I can have a clear picture, Did you accuse Arches of being Mafia yesterday?
(hands Vorte some more rope)
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Arches did mention on TS yesterday evening that he had emptyy snooping around... basicly ruining the game by having someone who isnt playing the game helping him
i'd say LYNCH HIM
i sound like shiftey now
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I think we can class Emptyy as a travelling minstrel that passed through the town. However, as we know, bards were often rogue of nature!
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What part of "blame-game" did you not catch? Yes, arches does here imply I am the mafia. That was the entire point of finding it, to show hugman what he thought he remembered!
Ah ok Vorte. Yeah I do remember some of that you posted, though you could have just left out some of your accusations toward Arches out.
So just to clarify, so I can have a clear picture, Did you accuse Arches of being Mafia yesterday?
(hands Vorte some more rope)
I'm pretty sure I did not, I can't find it in logs atleast.. If I did, it was in a manner of checking how he'd react to being accused. I'm pretty set in my trains of thought, so what I've pospted today about Arches stands.
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Right, back to the others, while I await Gaieos and Arches response.
Shiftey: Don't really know about this guy either way. Most of his responses, and Irc drivel, seems to be just "blah blah, said this, LYNCH HIM!". Which either tells me he's a bad mobster, or a suicidal townie.
TTAM: Originally I suspected Kesh, as he was very defensive on the forums, but the rapid bandwagon jumping voting on him day one, kinda cooled my mob suspicions of him. Of late Vorte has made several accusations about him, but they don't hold much weight. Could be either, gonna go with focusing on the more obvious mobsters, and turn my attention back to him later.
Kawe. Kawe is a dark horse. He does post and irc chat, but its very restrained. Too quiet. Not quite as bad as Grish, Dell and Shankski. But definitely in the "to be watched" category.
Gaieos. Gaieos is a player. Intelligent and vocal enough to be either a good townie, a clever mobster, or a insidious ninja. If he is a townie, he needs to contribute in logical discussion more. "to be watched".
Tyler. Amusingly enough, I now suspect Tyler far less of being a mobster, then most others. After my first couple of random accusations on the first day clipped him, he responded very aggressively, and went for the kill on me. This obviously got me extremely suspicious of him, and until the votes got changed (and he held to his guns) late the first day, he was my number one suspicion to be mobster. Looking back, had our positions been switched, I likely would have done exactly the same thing as him. He also waited to see who would be the 2nd and third votes on me (normally the mob jumpers) and correctly identified Cwave. Also he said this: "Non-posters are the ones we wanna lynch first.", which from a town winning point of view, is spot on. A quiet townie, is a liability to us, a noisy mobster is a liability to them. He is either a excellent townie, or a incredibly devious mobster.
Nach. Lurks in the "too quiet" group, while still playing out the quirks in his personality. "to be watched"
Shankski. Very suspicious. Having spent a lot of time in the B-raid, its clear he is a team player. Yet has been very quiet, and not active enough as a townie in contributing towards getting a confirmed Mob lynch. Likely a ninja, or a mobster. Needs to speak up or damm himself.
Dell. Ah Delling, playing his usual "lets hold back on acting, until I have a clear advantage, while coming up with excuses, not making direct accusations and being friendly towards everyone" game that he always does. Definitely not a normal townie. Either a ninja, blue or mobster.
Vorte. I have almost 100% worked out what Vorte is. I will post more when 100% certain.
Rucious. He's an odd one. Got accused early, and was forced to mainly post in the defensive. I suspect though, had he not been accused, he would have just lurked in the quiet group. Not enough data, which could damm him. "to be watched".
Cwave. Mobster. Very little doubt. Starts with trivial posts about "respect for Palmar" and other such roleplaying drivel, which gets him on the board (so he seems to be contributing, while not too quiet), but actually contributes nothing. Then after me and Tyler kick off, he jumps on to voting me, with out much evidence, or posting to back it up. So far, has made a decent amount of posts, but they don't contribute towards the town exposing someone, nor show openly his game plan (which you would do, if you were a townie) or any sort of logical progression.
Grishnag. Too quiet. Has started to realise it. Apart from his last post, Grish could be Ezzardo, which means I'll wait until tomorrow to see if he gets hanged. If he doesn't... Mafioso. Otherwise, to watch how he responds to this. "to be watched"
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Kawe just pointed out a retard mistake by me.
Grishnag. Too quiet. Has started to realise it. Apart from his last post, Grish could be Ezzardo, which means I'll wait until tomorrow to see if he gets hanged. If he doesn't... Mafioso. Otherwise, to watch how he responds to this. "to be watched"
Should be:
Grishnag. Too quiet. Has started to realise it. Apart from his last post, Grish could be Ezzardo, which means I'll wait until tomorrow to see if he gets mob killed. If he doesn't... Mafioso. Otherwise, to watch how he responds to this. "to be watched"
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I don't entirely agree on the quiet ones being the ones to consider as threats though like you said wiht Tyler, Globox and Ezzardo were both really quiet.
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Hah, it's a little bit shocking to have my entire strategy outlined by you, Hugman... it's like I've been stripped naked for all to see (and laugh at!)
I will try to be more active.
In my opinion, Archz or Vorte (or both), and Cwave, are mobsters. I'm undecided about Grax. Shankski is being very weird -- probably a mobster (or just... being weird).
I'm not actually analysing what everyone has said, though (I can't keep up). I'm playing more of a meta game -- tallying up everyone else's observations, and working it out from there.
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We really should decide on Archz OR Vorte for lynching, by the way.
Would anyone miss Archz? (I don't mind shifting to Vorte, either.)
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We also need to find out the information that our super-villagers learnt last night. Did our cop find out anything interesting?
Basically, whoever the cop is, you need to pick someone who you trust to be a villager... and say what you found out :)
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Just to clarify a basic rule:
The more the mob talks, the more likely we are to expose their game plan, expose them, and then make a clean mob lynch.
The more a townie talks, the more we can establish (based on their actions, posts, and consistency to an action) that you are who you say you are, and not lose people silly to lynches.
The mob knows who the mob is, and therefore has a massive advantage. However, since they know this, and they plan together, it becomes more obvious to the town, when people change actions or act inconsistently, that this is likely to be the mob gameplan shifting, due to deaths and suspicions raised against them.
The best thing you can to as a townie, is be open, constistant, and make post logically explaining why you do what you do.
tl.dr:
more posting = higher chance of town winning.
less posting = higher chance of mob winning.
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We really should decide on Archz OR Vorte for lynching, by the way.
Would anyone miss Archz? (I don't mind shifting to Vorte, either.)
How about neither, do you really want to lose this quickly? I had expected more of you..
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It would help if you didn't sound like a completely different person on the forum, Vorte :P
You gotta act NATURAL, or you will draw suspicion! That's why people are voting for you.
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I've been quietly observing as events unfold. Mainly picking my suspicions from things others have said like Rucious and Shiftey. Also watching people reactions to accusations. It seems I have missed a few things from IRC as I'm not sure where to view these logs.
Hugman, I am a team player, that's why I'm not just blindly throwing out accusations.
I voted for Kesh at the start as I thought he was being quiet and posting unrelated things. Thought it was unusual that he hasn't given much input.
With regards to Rucious, I pointed out an area in his post which didn't make sense to me. So I called him on it to see his response.
Will post my thoughts on everyone a bit later. (As it is my birthday woot)
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We also need to find out the information that our super-villagers learnt last night. Did our cop find out anything interesting?
I was told by somebody claiming to be a cop that Tyler was Mafia... I'm beginning to doubt that, however. I don't want to reveal who it was, though, as it may still be accurate and I don't want to give away our blues.
I was told by a more reliable source, a tracker, than Kawe did not visit anybody during the night, so I'm pretty sure he's a regular villager.
Just remember guys, we need to lynch somebody today - it seems to have come down to Arch vs Vorte. From the stuff on IRC I think it's quite clear that Arch is not mafia. That just leaves Vorte.
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Didn't we only have one tracker, Ino? I thought he died before he could give up his intel... Or did he tell you with his last, dying breath? :P
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I don't believe palmar said anywhere that there would be only 1 of each class!
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I was told by somebody claiming to be a cop that Tyler was Mafia... I'm beginning to doubt that, however. I don't want to reveal who it was, though, as it may still be accurate and I don't want to give away our blues.
If this is true you should expose this person straight away Kesh. I am not mafia, that person is flat out lying.
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Note how Arches has yet to reply, yet been lurking the forum all day.. Was I right in my guess or are you part of the mafia, Arches?
Lynch TTaM! He's still talking about arches's irc logs proving he's not mafia - which magically makes me mafia. Start thinking deeper fellow townsmen..
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This is getting quite interesting.
As mentioned my wife is home for the weekend so I that has put a small pause to my posts. Like Delling and Shankski I have been trying to observe the results of the night.
I have been building some theories that I feel would be ruined if I shared them with the mafia because they could be proven or disproven after this night.
The thing about me being a doctor was a joke, I dont really remember what I wrote and what I was getting at. I dont claim to be a doctor, I think it was a slip up when nach whined at me for not being in character, after which I made the blachsmith post.
The stuff on irc about arches was that he said that the day was boring and that he was looking forward to night time where it would be more fun. Which indicates that he had a character that would be able to do stuff during the night. Vorte and a few others were online when he said this. I will try to find it in the logs. This actually strengthen my suspicion of arches since it would be a good reason for the mafia to kill him if they knew he had to be a blue. Then again it could be a strategic use of kills to save him for the lynch mob. 3 down is better than 2.
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I have to study for my exams that are tomorrow and on Tuesday, so I can't really follow all what's going on right now. I've skim it a bit and will give my thoughts when I'm out for dinner break. If it wasn't 4 exams in 2 days I'd be giving my thought now. sorry for this
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I was told by somebody claiming to be a cop that Tyler was Mafia... I'm beginning to doubt that, however. I don't want to reveal who it was, though, as it may still be accurate and I don't want to give away our blues.
If this is true you should expose this person straight away Kesh. I am not mafia, that person is flat out lying.
It's been pointed out to me that you may have been framed or that you're a miller, Tyler, thus should I expose my contact, I would be exposing the real cop - a game loser I think.
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LYNCH KESH!
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... just kidding.
Heading out for the night. I'm not inactive, I swear!
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there are so many annoying possibilites that the cop role seems slightly useless.
If he investigates the mafioso he gets a false positive. if he investigates a framed person he gets a false negative. If he investigates anyone else he has to convince someone without revealing his own identity that he isnt lying....
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... just kidding.
Heading out for the night. I'm not inactive, I swear!
Not AFK, just at your balcony?
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Well fuck you Hugman!
I try to not post too much to prevent me from getting whacked by the maffia as im surely a nice target to murder off. I've done my own investigations on the stuff people posted and via PM's and lurk here like a mofo.
While i would very much want to see you punished for posting crap like that and putting in danger my ability for the good of our town im pretty sure you are not a mobster either. Arches and vorte are most likely to be badguys, mainly due to choice of words and slipups in conversations by them. Shiftey i dont know. Grax i dont know, might be a veteran or might be some sort of maffia. For Kawe, i think he has more then one life so not sure. TTam might be mobster but does choose words wisely. Tyler has the best story going so far but seeing as he loves this roleplay and is the oldest one in this game, i suspect him taking us for a ride. 70% sure he isnt a bad buy. Delling is problaly a ninja, posting enough to take part in the game but not too much to mingle. Claiming he doesnt have time for the forum is bullshit ofc..... Rucious i think is a grunt maffia boy. Does seem to know where the mob wants to go but doesnt bring anything to the table it seems. Haven't played many games with shankski so i don't know his real "self" but he seem trustworthy atm.
Unless some new stuff comes to the table, i think Vorte has the highest chance of being a mobster.
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Apparently many of you think I'm a mafia, but I aint. I don't know what makes you think that though. Cwave is a good candidate to be a mobster, Tyler has good points and play his role pretty well. I don't know what happened of IRC but Arches seems to be having some special power which makes him clearly one of bad guys. Vorte seems suspicious to me but can't decide. TTaM is definetly one of mafia imo, and I won't change my this idea of him. Delling is surely taking things easy and trying to play with us. Shanks might be a villager but he seems keep blaming me, don't know where that comes from. Grish and Kawe are quite for some reason, though Grish seems to be interested in guns etc. Hugman might be a villager, I don't think he is a bad guy. Shiftey keeps saying lynch that and that, he is looking for justice. Grax might be Godfather, he knows how to act and chooses his words wisely. I think Arches should be lynched tonight!
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You too throwing names out randomly, Cwave? Enligthen me, where did I have a slip-up?
I realise I might've shot myself in the leg by posting so much some of the more lazy villagers can't be arsed setting themselves into it..
TTaM is the one who should hang tonight, not me. I'm being accused BECAUSE I have said he is a mafia, and now the mob is after me.. looking at who I said were likely to be mafioso, it really adds up.. just not Arches, I really can't figure out Arches.. why is he still not posting?!
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As ask by Hugman, one of two i know for sure are fellow villager, i gave my thoughts on the group so far. :x
And as for your question, you use 3rd peron and 1st person quite weird when talking about maffia/villagers and seem to be way out of balance with your normal way of posting.
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I'm sorry if I come off like that to you, could you bring me an example so I can give you my thoughts, then? And my "normal way of posting" is not fit for a serious cause like this, we lost our town priest damnit!
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Guys you should check the people that you suspect and see who they have voted for.
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I try to not post too much to prevent me from getting whacked by the maffia as im surely a nice target to murder off. I've done my own investigations on the stuff people posted and via PM's and lurk here like a mofo.
This simply does not cut it imo. Lurking is bad for the town. Staying quiet didn't help Ino or Ezzardo (strangly). We should lynch Cwave as he doesn't post enough. Even though I'm fairly sure Vorte is also mob scum, he wrote a nice detailed post. We shouldn't punish him for it.
I have been talked round on Arches. I think he is just playing badly.
So in short LYNCH CWAVE.
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Just like to remind you that you need 8 (of 14) for a lynching - the more split we are on who to lynch, the less likely we are to get a lynching. And no lynching is bad. If we stay undecided, the terro... mafia win. We can't let that happen.
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My vote will be for Cwave, as he is my number one suspect for being Mafioso.
However, we must get a Lynch tonight! So, If not enough come round to seeing Cwave for the obvious Scummer that he is, I will happily change my vote to Vorte, as he was down as the second likeliest to be Mafioso.
Take a good look at peoples actions/posts/votes for the last 2 days.
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I realise how easy it just is to lynch me to get a lynch, but how I've become a suspect is beyond me. I'm questioning whether I should change my mind about Arches, from thinking "he's definetly a retarded blue" 'till, he's playing us and is mafioso, seeing as he has not done a single post since dawn.. not really sure how everyone went from suspecting him to.. "Hey this vorte guy is definetly mafia because Arches isn't!" ??..
I really don't want to see our town fall to the mafia's games as swiftly as it looks like to me..
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Ok, I'm afraid I'm forced into a corner here, as the day passes and the final votes tick in, I realise the lot of you are happy with lynching me. I get it, lynching at this point is becoming a neccessity, as we have lost two members of our village from the first night and really can't afford to lose another.(One of them a valuable blue).
This is why I hope you don't lynch your cop. My investigation last night led me straight to the nest of the mafia, I caught my number one suspicion red-handed stabbing off our fellow brother, Ino the Tracker.. the one holding the weapon was no other than the despicable TTaM! It is probably the fact that I accused TTaM so openly that the lot of them have now turned against me, and is slowly talking more into it..
Please don't fall for this cheap attempt of framing a fellow villager, and important blue - should you lynch me tonight the game is practically already won for the mafia..
Now to the final point - If you want to keep me alive, doc protection will be needed. I assume you realise the mafia will have a go at me tonight for spilling the truth - the bird is out the nest. If I am not granted doc protection I'm dead anyway.. I really hope the lot of you chose wisely, and don't fall pray to the framing that has gone down.
Change your vote to TTaM now, he's a confirmed part of the mafia. I'm truely sorry I had to give away my identity here, but it's the only way I can get the information out there should the mafia convince enough people to lynch me.
It's now all out there now, I wish I was granted some cuffs so I can do my job efficiently without risking a lynch..!
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You do realise, if you are the cop, now you won't make it to daybreak anyway? Even with Doc protection.
No, this doesn't sit right; not buying it.
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That's pretty desperate, Vorte. Claiming to be a cop to avoid the Lynch? Do you think people will actually fall for it? You've made yourself so suspicious!
Remember guys, a vote for Vorte is a vote for the Village, a vote for Victory!
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That was a relatively well written post by Vorte, yet you dismiss it immediatelly, Hugman?
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As I read the rules, I don't see how a doc would be unable to save me when TTaM and his dogs come for me tonight?
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A doc stops 1 attack. If 2+ people attack you, you die.
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Hmm this is an interesting do or die situation. I dont have anything to prove that TTaM isnt a mobster so for me killing ttam is just as good for me as killing vorte.
And if ttam turns out to be a villager then we have confirmed that vorte is a mobster.
If we on the other hand lynch vorte and he is a cop then we lost a cop and confirmed that ttam is a mobster.
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Hugmans fast conclusions make me suspect him quite a lot too.
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TTaM seems to be eager to lynch Vorte. He surely is after covering his ass after what Vorte said. I don't know what to say to Vorte but that is not wise decision you have made.
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A doc stops 1 attack. If 2+ people attack you, you die.
Ah, I wasn't aware you could double attack..
You do realise, if you are the cop, now you won't make it to daybreak anyway? Even with Doc protection.
No, this doesn't sit right; not buying it.
I'd rather take a guilty mafia with me, as you say I will die by the hands of the mafia tonigh anyway, if I avoid lynching.
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That was a relatively well written post by Vorte, yet you dismiss it immediatelly, Hugman?
Well, due to how he acted, posted and voted, I had basically marked him down as a confirmed mobster, and now he posts exposing himself as the "Cop" and asking for the doc protection?
The act of a really desperate, dumb blue? Possibly, but highly unlikely. More likely he's a Mobster taking one last swing at staying in the game.
However, on the off chance I am wrong, he has many hours yet, so he is free to try and convince me otherwise. But it needs to be more convincing then the spew he has been posting before this.
Otherwise, tonight you dance the hemp fandango, Vorte, while your Mafia buddies watch.
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Why is it a stupid act. The votes are nearly done. We are not getting anything new to help him. If he is a cop and he didnt make this post he would be dead. That would make him a dumb blue.
Being a blue and a mobster should follow the same logic of trying to not get hit by the spotlight.
Like Ino our tracker and very important blue seemed to many people as a mobster because he was being careful.
These theories have not shown to work very well so far...
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Really Hugman? The first factual evidence so far in the game is brought forth and you just dismiss it like that? I don't see what can be more convincing for you than the truth. I had you figured for a sure civillian, but it's starting to feint..
Would you not have done the same were you a cop?
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"Factual"
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Indeed. How exactly is what you say "factual". We have only your word.
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Indeed. How exactly is what you say "factual". We have only your word.
As graxlos posted - Hmm this is an interesting do or die situation. I dont have anything to prove that TTaM isnt a mobster so for me killing ttam is just as good for me as killing vorte.
And if ttam turns out to be a villager then we have confirmed that vorte is a mobster.
If we on the other hand lynch vorte and he is a cop then we lost a cop and confirmed that ttam is a mobster.
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Factual in the sense that he is betting his ass. If he actually is a mobster he will be lynched the following night no matter what.
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One more night might be all they need to win? It's all about one more night.
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If he is a cop he will either survive the night if the mafia only use one kill on him. Or he will make them atleast waste one kill.
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A few of the people who have just voted for Vorte are on my list of 'likely to be maffia'... which suggests Vorte is actually a villager.
I think we should go for Archz IMO.
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To be fair on Vorte, from what I have seen there is some evidence in his favor, just not as much as the evidence against him (at this point).
Hmm... I will give this a rethink, keep talking Vorte, and Vorte-affiliated people.
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Im hardly vorte affiliated. At this point I think it could go either way.
My main reason to side with vorte is that I suspect a lot of the people siding with TTaM.
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So... you're siding with somebody else simply because people are siding with me? Are you against lynching? Are you and Tyler trying to protect your mafia compadre Vorte? You seem so dead set against him being lynched.
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Im against lynching the people that the mobsters want to lynch. If the people voting for vorte are 80% of the people I suspect the most then I feel that I must be on the wrong track. Yesterday I was all for lynching vorte but now Im not so sure.
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What Grax said.
Archz -- maybe with an outside bet on Cwave.
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So... you're siding with somebody else simply because people are siding with me? Are you against lynching? Are you and Tyler trying to protect your mafia compadre Vorte? You seem so dead set against him being lynched.
I'd like to remind people that somebody else who claimed to be a cop said that Tyler was mafia - This puts a question as to his, grax's and dell's motives.
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13:00:57 <graxlos> hmm
13:01:15 <graxlos> also if vorte is a cop then TTaM could have been framed
13:01:16 <graxlos> ffs.
13:01:27 <graxlos> you could both be innocent and telling the truth...
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Yes lets kill cwave instead.
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What is most certain is that either me or Vorte is mafia!
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Yes lets kill cwave instead.
*waits for tyler and dell to change vote to cwave*
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I'm not sure any of you are at this point :P
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What is most certain is that either me or Vorte is mafia!
Now how the hell am i to understand this line?
You are mobster and vorte is... what?
Or you are our cop and you found vorte?
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I think he's referring to Emptyy's refusal to reveal the roles of Vorte and Arch to the other - implying they are not on the same team. Arches has played the game badly up to this point, not posting very often and basically admitting he had powers he would want to post on the forum (obviously blue ones) - so that makes me think that Vorte's the suspect party... hence the Vorte vote.
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I actually believe you Vorte. Some of the people I really don't trust have voted for you, as a result I'm reluctant to place my vote at the moment.
Either way as many people have said we need a majority vote to lynch someone tonight, we need to decide on a name.
If you guys think Vorte I will just vote for someone else.
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So, you're in cahoots with Tyler, Grax and Dell then, Shank? Good to add another potential mafia to the list.
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I think we should let Vorte live tonight. I am still suspisious but he has posted a lot, and I am sure he will continue to do so. It's the quiet ones we need to lynch. Vorte might just have played his cop role badly. He has not tried to get everyone to pile into the Arches bandwagon. That would have been the best self-preservation move if he was mafia
Ttam has now rounded on me! I am pretty suspisious of him too. He seems to be conducting much of his comunication via PMs. Not being open only helps the mob. I am not sure about Ttam yet though.
The one person I am dead certain about is Cwave look at this from IRC
[10:18] <Cwave> and you seem to not care you will take a stabbing by the badguys
[10:18] <Cwave> so i assume you are a ninja
[10:19] <Cwave> you take the lead but cant seem to care about your own life, thats weird
1) this is private not in the main thread
2) he knows I am not mafia
3) Its actually beyond a threat, my accusations are so true he just assumes that I know they are dangerous. Well I do now!
We need to be certain as possible. I am certain about Cwave. Lynch him.
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My vote for TTaM is getting stronger by the minute.
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TTam digging quite a hole for himself, but lets go with Cwave pls. At least TTam posts.
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Are you even reading the thread or just getting the townsmen to kill off a towny so you can sit on your ninja throne?
Either that or you are infact the godfather if the investigator got a false negative on your ass......!
And now im certain of your ninja being tyler since you took those PM's out of context with me trying to resolve who is who in this game.
Omitting shit from conversations to get me framed for nothing, uncool!
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As I originally posted, I would be happy with either Archz or Cwave being lynched. Agreed, I think Vorte is OK. Not sure about TTaM. As long as we can all get behind Archz or Cwave, I'm happy.
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I'm leaning more towards Archz, he's not very active at all, he also did the whole "It's me or vorte" thing and quite frankly I have stronger suspicions for him than Vorte.
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What does Archz mean with his statement then, that either him or vorte is maffia?
If we murder him, do we kill our cop?
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I doubt it, Vorte has acted throughout this whole ordeal like a villager way more than Archz. Archz has hinted that he has blue powers but is yet to reveal any kind of confirmation nor has he declared that he has done anything with his powers.
To me currently there is a bigger chance that Vorte is telling the truth, that TTam could've gotten framed (he did get quite alot of votes the last lynch, hugman got the most yet didn't get investigated?) than if Arches was the worst blue ever. Apart from Globox.
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TTaM posted earlier that he had trusted information from the cop that tyler was mafia. didnt he?
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Almost 100% certain Tyler isn't mafia.
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I'm 100% certain that if Tyler isn't Mafia and you're not Ninja, he's a Ninja.
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Not written in intention of derailing btw, continue on train of thought please, we need to lynch someone tonight, pretty badly.
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So with ttam spreading rumours about tyler. Do we think:
A. ttam was lied to
B. tyler was framed
C. ttam is lying
D. tyler is mafia
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Yeah, Tyler could be a ninja.
I suspect Tyler was framed (he's a high-profile player). But I also suspect ttam is a mafia.
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Also a risk TTaM was framed, seeing he did get the second most votes last lynch, right after one of my topvotes for Mobster.
One thing I however am pretty sure of his that Hugman isn't just a Villager. I'm more leaning towards him being a mobster than not aswell, with like 65% v 30%.
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Archz is special we all know this. I don't think we can read much into how he is playing.
Vorte is also special, not as much as Archz but still.
Ttam is devious thats for sure. Lets lets him talk more.
I am an innocent villager who has no idea how to play this game. I am going with my default approach to most shit, open and honest.
Cwave is a killer!
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Read the last few pages, I am actually starting to think that the people trying to stir the attention from vorte and frame someone else are on vorte's side, you hear me.... MAFIA SIDE.
We cant allow another no-lynch, we have to go for it, it's win or lose right now, so let's just kill vorte and see what happens.
Since there are still 5 mafia and everybody denies it in the thread, it's obvious quite a few people are lying, therefore I dont trust anyone. This is just my guess, random call. Vorte is bad, vorte is suspicious, vorte MUST HANG!
LYNCH HIM!
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Shiftey doesnt care about the risk of lynching an innocent. Very mobsterlike.
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I absolutely dont, no-lynch or miss-lynch mean that we are clueless, we were wrong all along and that mafia will almost definitely win. Gotta take a leap of faith here. And if vorte is mafia, we are well on our way to victory, if he isnt, then we damn well know who is. It's a win-win situation!
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(http://i.imgur.com/KxcPa.png)
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I absolutely dont, no-lynch or miss-lynch mean that we are clueless, we were wrong all along and that mafia will almost definitely win. Gotta take a leap of faith here. And if vorte is mafia, we are well on our way to victory, if he isnt, then we damn well know who is. It's a win-win situation!
You realise it's more of a win to lynch TTaM to find that out, right?
if ttam turns out to be a villager then we have confirmed that vorte is a mobster.
If we on the other hand lynch vorte and he is a cop then we lost a cop and confirmed that ttam is a mobster.
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And if we kill TTaM we also know who is mafia and we didnt lose our cop?
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I find it very hard to believe that suddenly you're the cop and I find it even harder to believe that some people just outright believed you and it's also even less probable that you actually investigated TTaM as you claim. Probability of all that happening is just so much smaller than probability of you just being a mobster.
And by the look of it, graxlos is one too.
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And Tyler!
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its lynch week
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So the mafia is TTaM, Shiftey, Hugman, Cwave and Arches
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Or Tyler, Grax, Delling, Shankski and Vorte?
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Shiftey, I did quite clearly state several times that TTaM was a mafia - WAY before I told you I am a cop.. I can't help but think you're protecting TTaM way more than a normal villager would - you seem to neglect him completely.
What Grax said looks to be rather likely after these few last posts.. :(
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graxlos trying to dismiss the accusations by funny pictures? Clearly mafia, he's next on lynch list my fellow villagers!
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graxlos trying to dismiss the accusations by funny pictures? Clearly mafia, he's next on lynch list my fellow villagers!
There's only one guy here who posts more pictures than words..
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Vorte, you should notice I vote for TTaM and I suspected him as mafia. But this day gave me way more reasons to vote for someone else.
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And also unvoted him.
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If I was a mafia I would clearly be voting for other mobsters half of the time.
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I'm gonna take a stand here and go for Shiftey, no one today has posted as suspicious and wierd as Shiftey.
I unvoted Arches and went for Shiftey, hopefully people will follow because we NEED to lynch someone tonight. I honestly think that even if Shiftey is a villager he seems to be causing more harm than good, disarraying and poofling any chance he gets, take any chance he gets to stir trouble.
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Don't split the vote, Nach. Let's go for Archz or Cwave.
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Don't let vorte to survive delling, vote for him!
Nach, it's your opinion, but it's just one vote and if we dont get a lynch, you'll be to blame for our loss.
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I'll change my vote later to arches then, but for now I'm hoping that enough people would hop on the Shiftey train because he's really disarraying everything, retardedly suspicious.
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[16:26] <Arches> You ruined my plan by not allowing screenshots of your PMs Palmar! >:(
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Thats just....... so weird o0
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As I said Cwave, Arches is special. That was his special plan... Kinda looking innocent to me!
Vorte might even be telling the truth. His behaviour is consistent with him being the cop. I?m not sure if I believe that he is cunning enough to have come up with this as subterfuge.
TTaM, now his actions are definitely consistent with the way I think he would play mobster. Lots of talk behind the scenes.
Nach, you might think Shiftey is involved. Hell you might be right. But we need lynch and if no-one will listen to my obvious read on Cwave then Ttam it is.
In short lynch TTaM.
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Just voted for Kesh, I've suspected him from day 1, something just doesn't add up. Personally I agree with Tyler, I think he has been playing the game like a mob from the word go. Otherwise I'd imagine he would give a lot more input than he has.
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(http://i.imgur.com/utKJt.png)
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I can only vouch for myself so just edited me =P
(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5259/89new.jpg)
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Never knew Vorte had an acting career:
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Every vote counts here, as we approach midnight.. if you want the mafia to lose one by the power of the rope, do as the latest voters have done, change your vote to lynch TTaM! I would hate to think myself unmasking a mafia would be dismissed as nothing..
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Btw typical propaganda from Kesh.
Actions of a guilty man imo.
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Never knew Vorte had an acting career:
Woha, are you done digging your own grave yet? Maybe a few more pics before you've posted your last post in this thread, and hung like the rat you are.
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The mafia is strong in this game. Even if the votes for arches/cwave join the lynch TTaM group we will have a stalemate.
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If you think he is guilty Shiftey change your vote to TTaM.
Same to Grish, Rucious, Nach and Dell!
Hang him high.
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What are you talking about? Why would I change my vote, not gonna happen, and if so, I'd vote for someone completely different.
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Ah sorry I mis-read Shanksi as Shiftey.
Well there you go, sometimes the biggest breakthroughs come from mistakes.
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I did vote for kesh >.>
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Alright, TTaM has my vote. We need to scrape 8 together tho'...
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Trying to convince Hugman to change his vote. Just so we can get a majourity. He says he doesn't trust me tho. =/
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So this voting stuff leads me to believe TTaM, Cwave and Shiftey are deff mob. Not sure about the other 2.
Time, and votes, will tell.
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ah lovely how all shit gets stirred when people dont want vorte to get lynched for god knows what reason
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I did want to kill vorte until ttam and hugman started acting weird.
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Et tu Grishnag :(
Please dont let it be true. Prove to me you are not mob. Lynch TTaM.
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where would be the fun in that? then i cant watch him dig a deeper hole day after day for himself
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Don't be a gimp, Grish!
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As the night draws closer, I hope that the doc will put his protection on me for what I've told the lot of you - the mafia will have to strike me twice to kill me then, effectively saving one kill. It will be a gamble for the mafia to go after me at all tonight then, as they won't know for sure whether or not they will have to use one or two kills to get me dead.
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Can't believe we let our townninja tyler stear us away from mobster Vorte.
It does seem the majorty is convinced at the moment on this beheading and the evidence thin but there....
Still means you are a ninja Tyler!!@
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The night is upon us!
The events of this last day have been remarkable. The town square has been even more active than the day after the priest murder, but this time, the villagers came to a consensus.
TTaM, forced by his fellow townsmen to the guillotine, where he be murdered by the people he interacted with every day.
(http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/74/77074-004-2D7BF5AE.jpg)
TTaM the mafiosi has died a bloody death
Lock your doors. It's not safe in the night....
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Quick note everyone:
I will be unavailable at 00:00 CEST, I won't be home until around 02:00 CEST (that's midnight my time).
This means that the night lasts some extra time. I will open the thread with the results of the night's actions as soon as I come home.
This does not mean you can delay turning in the PMs for the night. If you haven't sent me a PM by 00:00, you can't be sure your action will work, and you might get modkilled.
I'm sorry.
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As day breaks, the villagers once again find themselves missing friends and colleagues. During the night three more people had been murdered. Edgeville still has to face deadly problems.
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBn9-8VDNgbNM7q9ur1WkkBC5kSWkFap9QdgzdbI2SQHBcpjYv)
Delling - The Vigilante - Has been brutally murdered
Grishnag - The Mafiosi - Has been found dead in his home
Cwave - The Mafia Framer - Has died a bloody death
This is the start of Day 3
I would like to use this opportunity to remind the ghosts that their presence is appreciated, but their interference is not. Keep them yappie-yappies shut.
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAH!
GO TOWN!
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How the hell did that happen?
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2 Mobsters left right?
1 Godfather, 1 Hooker?
GOD DAMM THIS IS COOL.
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Well done Dell!
FUCKING KNEW IT WAS CWAVE!
Shiftey is next!!!
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Down to one life here, my main job is done, can talk a bit more freely at last :) Good job vigilante/s and/or ninja/s
I'd like to believe that Dell took one out with a dying breath in a dramatic scene though
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Down to one life here, my main job is done, can talk a bit more freely at last :) Good job vigilante/s and/or ninja/s
I'd like to believe that Dell took one out with a dying breath in a dramatic scene though
So by this you are announcing you are the Veteran?
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I guess 'was' is more appropriate as far as functionality goes
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What prove and evidence do you have against me? I was, just like others, quite sure Cwave was a mobster since the very beginning and I was betting on Grish being one too after his very lurky day 2.
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Awesome work guys. Some slick moves by Dell.
Definitely has given us the upper hand now.
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So who do we have left in town?
Hugman (Voted for Vorte but changed his vote)
Shiftey (Voted for Vorte and was stubborn as hell about me tyler and delling being mob)
Shankski(Voted for TTaM)
Archz(Voted for TTaM)
Rucious(Voted for TTaM)
Tyler(Voted for Cwave changed to TTaM)
Nachmanun(Voted for Shiftey changed to Archz - could be a clever mafia)
Vorte(Voted for TTaM - and called him as a mafioso quite early)
Graxlos(Voted for Archz changed to TTaM, when he saw the suspicious reactions to Vortes post.)
Kawe(Voted Vorte and didnt change)
Did I miss anyone?
So we have a few mobsters left.
I am curious to hear what Vorte has to say.
I'm 95% sure that Shiftey is mob if not he is really playing like a weirdo from Mars.
It could be Nachmanun that was running interference while we were all focusing on TTaM and Vorte and Nach did actually say to tyler that he would change his vote to insure a lynch and he was online when he had the chance to help lynch TTaM but chose not to. So My guess is that Nach is also mob.
If it turns out that the mafia wasted a kill on a doctor Kawe could be doing a desperate attempt of doing a reversed "Vorte" but this time making us doubt the actual veteran or doc protected person. (Not likely)
If hugman was really devious he could be mafia just making TTaM take one for the team to insure the safety of the mafioso.
I am sure now that Vorte isnt mafia. We have three confirmed mobsters voting for him, so even if TTaM was a miller it is quite obvious.
Can anyone confirm if its 2 mobsters we have left or could it be 3 in case the miller has been killed?
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Shiftey is a dead man walking. The way he refused to switch vote to TTaM was hilarious.
Stone cold mob.
The identity of the last mafia might be a bit harder to establish. Luckly we have as few days to try and work out who this shadowy overlord is. I have a feeling that this last one will be the godfather, and thus immune to cop investigation.
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From what vorte tells me though, he investigated you Tyler and you showed up as read, and that means there are 2 mafioso voting for TTaM, which means they killed him outright probably to gain trust. And who were the two most voiced about TTaM? Tyler and Graxlos, it is becoming apparent they are the mobsters in here. Unless either TTaM or Tyler are millers.
So could I be right about Tyler and Graxlos?
Tyler even voted for Cwave first but changed, definitely trying to make us believe how he really is a villager.
As for your accusations, I am not seeing any evidence, I voted for who I believed to be a mob but sure, go ahead, lynch me a waste a kill. But there are mafia amongst us and they want me dead and since tyler and graxlos both so hastly voted for me and trying to frame me. It's becoming very obvious who the mafia is right now.
I say let's start with Tyler. Lynch him!
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As it happened when we discussed this yesterday.
Shiftey never argues why he is innocent but keeps pointing fingers at me and and tyler. Yesterday he accused Delling and Vorte as well. (Delling turned out to be vigilante, and the two dead mafiosi voted against Vorte).
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See, now you are lying to frame me.
I havent accused delling.
Starting to lose yourself in your web of lies there mister mafia? You're the godfather, now I know.
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*makes some ghostly noises, rattles some bottles, generally reminds the town that while he is dead, he is not FORGOTTEN!*
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Also the one of the dead mafia vote for TTaM Graxlos, another lie in that post? Just lies and lies of lies. You're losing yourself in it. You're clearly mafia right now.
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What mafia did that shiftey?
As I mentioned right after Cwaves vote, he did it AFTER we had a majority vote which means that his vote didnt change anything he just did it so you would be able to continue your retarded reasoning.
With regard to not accusing Delling I just looked through the logs and I admit I can only find you saying that the 5 first people voting for TTaM would be the 5 mobsters.
You said that me vorte and Tyler were your definate mobsters.
Some outtakes from IRC for the people that dont follow:
22:59 < Shiftey> I have vorte, graxlos and you on the def mobster list
(You being tyler)
23:28 < delling> fwiw, I am definitely not a maffia
23:28 < delling> and afaik, tyler isn't either
23:28 < Shiftey> whoah
23:28 < Shiftey> we should all vote for delling now
23:29 < graxlos> ok so grish is clearly mafia
23:29 < graxlos> then we have to convince the last villager on the ttam trail
23:55 < NachBjrrn> We have a lynch, so it's fine
23:56 < NachBjrrn> I'm not gonna change my vote then, last minute votes to whatever I vote will end up so suspicious
23:56 < Shiftey> those votes are suspicious
23:56 < Shiftey> change to vorte quickly!
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23:57 < graxlos> lol is cwave changing his vote now that it is inevitable to seem like a villager?
23:57 <+^Irony^> [TS] * Quits: Feral (leaving)
23:57 < Cwave> well no, i tried to lynch the day before but we stalled
23:57 < Cwave> and i still think vorte is a mobster
23:57 < Cwave> lynching is needed now though or we are fucked
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Im wondering about Archz Im back thinking Archz might be mafia.
We were discussing if Archz was mafia or a blue. If he was indeed a blue the mafia would have gunned for him before wasting shots on Delling and Kawe?
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That log proves I was right about grishnag. And also that delling thing you are leaving out a part cause it was a sarcasm :)
So yeah, you just proved that I am a villager, thank you. You are definitely a mafia.
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and Nach did actually say to tyler that he would change his vote to insure a lynch and he was online when he had the chance to help lynch TTaM but chose not to.
Yeah, in retrospect I think I've been playing this game way too passively, not really taking an active own stance, however I did not change my vote that late because we already had a lynch. I really didn't want to draw myself that kind of attention to swap vote that late to someone that's sure to be lynched, so I didn't. I was monitoring the thread though and if we were to go into some sort of standstill where I'd be the decider, I already declared on irc that I'd change.
So it wasn't as much me not wanting a lynch on TTaM (even though I was still pretty unsure that he was a mobster, but I'm pretty sure now he wasn't a miller) it was more just covering my ass to the point where I feel that I've almost painted myself into a corner.
As far as theories are concerned, I've stated from the beginning and I hold to this statement still - Shiftey has been acting wierd the entire game.
Fastest to point fingers at ANYONE that isn't himself, quick to switch votes, don't really share theories as of why people are the roles he suspect them to other than "Oh you think I'm a mobster, well then YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY A MOBSTER". Paranoid villager role worked well enough in the beginning for Shiftey to be loud and active as hell, while also reflecting concrete argumentation - but it's at the point in the game where that simply doesn't convince me anymore.
Again, I can see that in retrospect I haven't played this game nearly as active as you're supposed to and I was actually hoping to just lay back while other people deduced things for me, but I think it's bitten me more in the ass, seeing how many people actually are suspicious of me.
Vorte investigated Tyler tonight and his name came up in red. There's alot of things we can deduce from this (nothing with guarantee though, but I guess that's what this game is about), but I'd rather wait and see what the Tracker found out tonight aswell before throwing more accusations around.
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Where did you mention Grish?
I mentioned grish...
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15:47 < Shiftey> see? grax group has 5 people
15:47 < TTaM> indeed
15:47 < Shiftey> and they are trying to get vorte out of the lynching
15:47 < Shiftey> all of them mafia
15:47 < Shiftey> we have a nice list
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After shifteys last vote I thought of quoting nach from two nights ago
00:27 < NachBjrrn> Hahaha
00:27 < NachBjrrn> The "Shiftey" approach
00:27 < NachBjrrn> Act crazy enough to confuse people
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Trying so desperately to frame me, this is fantastic :) I voted for myself too just to prove you all wrong, lynch me please. I am a villager, I will sacrifice myself to prove that Tyler and Graxlos are mafia.
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I hope you realise that if you are wrong you would be killing two villagers.(if you were a villager that is )
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Question.
Vorte said he was the cop, were is his post? His voice? His investigation?
Also, Arches was claimed to be the Tracker (mainly by Kesh, so I may be an outright lie), but where too is his post?
Vorte investigated Tyler tonight and his name came up in red.
If this is true (and I want to hear it from Vorte, not you), you do realise, since Cwave was the framer, and Tyler (like me) has been out for Cwave's blood very openly and consistently from day 1, there is like a 90% chance Cwave framed him last night?
No, Tyler is the only guy (apart from myself) I am 100% sure isn't a mobster. Sure, there is a 30% chance he is still a ninja, but at this stage of the game, with 3 mob down ( 8)), and Tyler heavily involved in putting them away,its unlikely.
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I chatted with vorte about this, and told him I see three possibilities
- Vorte is a cop, and Tyler was framed
- Vorte is a cop, and Tyler is a miller
- Vorte is a mafia and had been lying the whole time
Vorte mentioned that he doesn't think it was a framing because a) it fits his suspicions and b) Cwave the framer was killed
I'd be a bit annoyed if Vorte is right in this case, given I've put my trust in Tyler, and am less suspicious of Hug as I was by a long ways since the beginning. If Tyler and Hug's shots at each other early on were an orchestration... well, I think that's unlikely no?
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Just so you know Kawe, Palmar said in irc last night, the actions in the night have a priority list (feel free to post it palmar), and it was something like this:
(cant remember the first one) > role actions > kills.
Kills was definitely last, so Cwave would have been able to frame someone before he died.
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Yeah, I ctrl-F'd palmar 'cause I remembered reading something like that, but it seemed not crystal, here it is:
<Palmar> Roleblocks -> Checks -> Kills
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Yeah, that's how it goes
1. Roleblocks (Escort) - Blocks any night action by the targeted person
2. Checks/Actions - Tracking, Investigating, Framing
3. Kills - All kills are resolved simultaneously, Getting killed doesn't stop you from performing your own kill.
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Yes, it is true that Tyler popped up as red for me. I hold it a possibility that he was framed, but if he wasnt.. well, it fits the way I've been seeing this for a while.
Most have faith in Tyler(this is sort of true for graxlos too), that's atleast how I'm reading these 20+ pages - and that is dangerous! I would like to have you make a good case, which I'm sure you can.. who you'll deflect the finger on will tell alot!
After having chats with kawe and shiftey last night I'm close to positive they are not affiliated with the mafia @grax. I have been chatting a bit with arches aswell and can tell you that my suspicion was right here aswell - he's just an innocent retard :P Kawe might be playing us all with the veteran call, but I doubt it..
Now - the guy who seems to be in a corner for himself here is Hugman(yes, I know I haven't mentioned shanks yet..did I forget anyone else?). I'm really confused about you.. you went from being a sure townie in my eyes, to some bad ass turbo-plotter together with Tyler(textfalls and blind accusations).. I hope I read that wrong, as if you're not mafia this game is actually looking good for the village for the first time!
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If Tyler is mafia then he has been playing a great game.
Shiftey plays like a retard if he is a villager.
I really cant read anything from shankskis actions.
I was quite sure Hugman was mafia until he changed his vote to TTaM.
You didnt mention Nach.
Im pretty confused atm.
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Anyway, as I have said to a few of you, I had some data I was gonna post this morning. It is very long, deal with it.
It has become apparent to me, that Kesh has had me duped for most of day 2, and had me thinking some of you were not acting in the Town's best interest. He convinced me of most of this, by forum pms, and pms on Irc. I asked Palmar, if I could post a screen shot of one of these forum pms, and he said it would be against the rules, but I could copy/paste the data in it/
So here it is:
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TTaM
Godwin Extraordinaire
Officer
Forum Epic User
Posts: 3,777
Mafia
? Sent to: Hugman on: May 08, 2011, 01:57:02 PM ?
Hey, we don't think you're mafia. You're far too outspoken. So, we're going to try to get you into our little group. We don't have many yet, just me, Arch, Shiftey and Kawe.
Arch is a tracker and tracked Kawe last night. Kawe didn't leave his house!
Jump on irc at some point and talk with me and shiftey!
Report To Admin
Officer (and a gentleman?)
Daekesh
Itkovian
Caladan
Hetan
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This was sent to me early day 2, and I was immediately suspicious of it and he then got me on irc, and through pms, we discussed various people, and what we knew, and some interesting things were said by Kesh (especially since we now know he was mob). Obviously, since he was mob, he could have just been lying about everything, however, I doubt he did lie about all of it, as doing so would very quickly reveal him to be lying. No, he would have lied about some, and threw in some truths to keep me believing.
Here is a few things he told me, on irc from his pms:
1. He had formed a pm group, which consisted of Himself, Kawe, Shiftey, and Arch.
2. Arch was the "tracker", and tracked Kawe first day, and Kawe had stayed at home.
3. Arch had fucked up, and revealed he was a blue, and Vorte had found out, and was trying to get him lynched.
4. He said, "that Shankski was the cop, and that he had contacted him, and said he had investigated Tyler, and had revealed him as Mob".
Now you can figure out what to make of the above data yourself, but this is what I have concluded:
Point 1. Him forming a pm group. Well I never really joined it as I was too suspicious, but lets take a look at the names he mentioned:
Kesh: Turned out to be mob.
Kawe: Right now Kawe could be either. Kesh seemed to be clearing his name, with the
"Arches tracked him, and he is clean" line, but this could be an outright lie, or there
could be some truth in it. Arches needs to speak up, and let us know if Kesh was just outright lying. Also recent events, Kawe has claimed to be the Vig, taking one of the Mafia hits for that night, and leaving the other for Dell. Either he did, and what he says is true. Or he saw that the mob had just suffered a heavy blow, and quickly devised a cover, to throw us off him. In which case, there should be another Vig out there, and he can come forward (since he is the Vig, so its not like he risks too much by revealing).
Personally I think the former is true, and If Kawe was in the pm group, he was just duped like me.
Arches: Arches, through out the game, has acted weird as fuck. Also he has been very quiet too, not responding to direct questions asked of him in posts (including my own). You need to speak up and do a decent post explaining your actions, and if anything Kesh told me was true Arches, or I am gonna have to start suspecting you as the Godfather.
Shiftey: Shiftey has been suspicious as fuck throughout the game, and I have thought he was a clear mobster for a while now. Kesh now having been revealed as a mobster, there is no very little doubt in my mind that Shiftey is mob. Why? because every time I questioned or queried data in Kesh's pms, or his reasoning for votes/posts, etc, he referred me to Shiftey as back up. For example, here is one of the Irc pms sessions, I did remember to copy to notepad:
[14:01] <TTaM> well
[14:02] <TTaM> it seemed to be a lot of your post was abut arch
[14:02] <TTaM> but u missed what he said on irc?
[14:02] <Hugman> i think most ppl did
[14:02] <Hugman> thats the point
[14:02] <Hugman> either he said somethign, and then it needs to be posted
[14:02] <TTaM> what he said was, "why cant people with powers say them in the thread"
[14:02] <TTaM> now that can only mean he's a blue
[14:02] <Hugman> but thats just really dumb
[14:02] <Hugman> really really dumb
[14:03] <TTaM> indeed
[14:03] <TTaM> but it makes it clear that the arch pointing is wrong
and a bit later:
[14:13] <Hugman> its funny
[14:13] <Hugman> i didnt expect this pm from you
[14:13] <Hugman> and now
[14:13] <Hugman> it may change everything
[14:14] <TTaM> indeed
[14:14] <Hugman> looking back at who accused who
[14:14] <TTaM> i saw the vote going to arch nad had to do something!
[14:14] <Hugman> and looking at who are in your group
[14:14] <TTaM> can't lose our blues
[14:39] <TTaM> me, arch and shiftey think we should be voting vorte, btw
[14:39] <Hugman> yeah
[14:39] <Hugman> i just read his post
[14:39] <Hugman> kinda seals the deal
And that would be how it went, Kesh would say something, and then if I was doubtful, he would refer me to Shiftey, or use Shiftey as back up. As far as I am concerned, Shiftey and Kesh have been Mafia buddies the whole game.
Point 2. Arch was the "tracker", and tracked Kawe first day, and Kawe had stayed at home. Don't know what to think about this, could be an outright lie. Since Arch is either acting like the Godfather/a Douche, we will have to wait until he speaks up, though I did ask for him to do that a day ago, and I am still waiting...
Point 3. We saw how this went, and Kesh's whole "Arch is a blue, and Vorte wants him dead! We must save him!" this is mainly why I was for lynching Vorte at the beginning. Thankfully it back fired and Kesh played his hand too strong. Also it helped me make up my mind between voting for Vorte/Kesh that day, when, Arches, the guy Kesh has spent most of the day "defending" turns round and whispers (it was raid time) me "Vote Kesh, he has been lying about a lot of things".
Point 4. Pretty sure this was an outright lie, designed to discredit Tyler. I asked Shankski directly after, and he was like "erm, what now?" He had no idea.
Anyway that is the data I had. Feel free to make of it what you want.
The main conclusion I got, was that Shiftey must die, as he is clearly Mafioso.
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Yep, if tyler is mafia he has been playing a great game, and so have you - should it be true for you. I agree on Shiftey, but I still think he is unaffiliated with the mafia.
Yes, shankski is impossible to read as he's practically said nothing.. this goes for Nach aswell, but he's told me several times over skype that his role was boring, so I'm pretty sure he's just a simple green-dude standing behind a fence looking at fat ladies in skirts rather than figuring out who the bad guys are.
Anyway - as I pointed out in the previous post, putting too much trust into ANYONE is dangerous as hell and can tilt the game in a second.. at the moment I'm holding it all open, and noting that Hug looks to be either easily "won over" or playing a good mafia game..(I doubt the latter :P)
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That's a very interesting discovery for me... until now I wasn't aware I was a part of any pm group...
I did hear from vorte the same about the tracking though; that arches was the tracker, that he tracked me and that he said I didn't leave my home.
Btw stop mixing up vet and vig, exact same thing shiftey was doing last night on TS. And if we have another vet he should only reveal himself if he's really sure the person he reveals to can be trusted - if the mafia knows someone is a veteran for sure, they're really unlikely to target them -> wasted blue role. As for vig, I guess they can reveal themselves if they've used their bullet for the game.
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I almost forgot, and this is something I keep doing: forgetting about shankski's existence in the game at all. He's said so very little, one of the few remaining who are in that position and not dead.
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Hugman I dont know if Im reading you wrong.
But Kawe claimed to be the veteran not the vigilante. Veterans can survive one assasination which is what he claims happened.
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Hugman I dont know if Im reading you wrong.
But Kawe claimed to be the veteran not the vigilante. Veterans can survive one assasination which is what he claims happened.
Yeah I just had Vig in my mind when I was writing this.
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and noting that Hug looks to be either easily "won over" or playing a good mafia game..(I doubt the latter :P)
Anyway - as I pointed out in the previous post, putting too much trust into ANYONE is dangerous as hell and can tilt the game in a second..
This is true, but I know to much about Tyler, for him to be mobster, 100% sure about this. He could still be a Ninja, and turn around and start offing/lynch voting me, but I deal with that when it comes.
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I've posted quite a bit. Only really post when I'm confident about any suspects or something sticks out to me, as I did with Kesh. I don't want to stir shit up and possibly get an innocent villager lynched.
With regards to Hugman's post, I had no clue that somebody called me a cop and said I investigated Tyler until Hugman pointed it out to me. Was actually quite surprised. Someone has been playing a good game.
Pesonally, I wouldn't suspect everyone that was in this "PM group" as if Kesh put all the names down of the Mafiosa, it would be a silly move exposing people.
As many of you have already said Shiftey and Arch has been acting weird from the start so I've currently got my eye on those two.
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I am flattered that you think I could pull off the massive bluff required for me to be mob. That and I would need to be the godfather to pull it off. This would mean I would never come up red.
I could easily have switched vote from TTaM to Vorte when Grax asked me to at 6-6. If we 2 had done that I probably would have won the game for the mob. (Note here that Grax suggested to me to switch...)
I have taken the lead in finding these mobsters. Not just agreed with others when targets were suggested. You should really trust your instincts on this one. I am not mob, just a simple villager.
Shiftey, cunning as he is, made a massive mistake when he thought we would lynch Vorte. He was so triumphant about it, or getting another split vote. After we have lynched him everything will be much clearer as the only mob role left will be Godfather, assuming he is not the godfather. If he is the godfather he has played his role badly.
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Wait Shiftey has voted for himself???
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Yeah, I only just read the rule about the Godfather popping up as blue.. so that only leaves escort as a possiblity for you, if you are mafia.
Either both you and Hug are tricking the shit out of me, or we seem to have a pretty good network going here.
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Wait Shiftey has voted for himself???
Yeah he's an idiot. His own ego is more important than the game itself, he doesn't care if he's lynched because as long as he is RIGHT, that's all that matters.
I am flattered that you think I could pull off the massive bluff required for me to be mob. That and I would need to be the godfather to pull it off. This would mean I would never come up red.
Sentences like these are suspicious as hell for me, it's like self-flatter hidden begind modesty.
Shiftey, cunning as he is, made a massive mistake when he thought we would lynch Vorte. He was so triumphant about it, or getting another split vote. After we have lynched him everything will be much clearer as the only mob role left will be Godfather, assuming he is not the godfather. If he is the godfather he has played his role badly.
I'm inclined to agree on this
My gut screams "Shiftey is a mobster" whereas my logic screams "worst villager ever."
At this point my vote is going to Shiftey, but Rucious and Shanksi are also top contenders for suspicious.
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If we're talking votes, so far today Shiftey has either intentionally or mistakenly made himself look like a very 'safe' lynch given our position. If we vote for him and he's bluffing, we've called it, if he's just being retarded, we lose a green villager and maintain a big numbers advantage while gaining a bit more info. All that said, it's still very early in the day, so we have a lot of time to mull things over.
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What do people think about archz? Why did the mafia not kill him if he is a blue?
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Everybody says that I am a terrible villager but I think otherwise, if I can pull so much attention from the mob to me, especially people who are overzealously trying to lynch me and then I'll turn up green, which I will unless I am a miller. Then you'll know who is the mafia and we'll win the game. And since I am a villager, despite being dead, I will win too. I think it's a very clever move from my side.
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What do people think about archz? Why did the mafia not kill him if he is a blue?
They might trust the village to end him as he has played like a drooler. I just hope Arches starts posting his tracker info sometime this century..
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Arches posting *at all* would be a good start...
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People are wondering why I am supporting Tyler so much. In the spirit of fairness, I should point out a few things.
I am flattered that you think I could pull off the massive bluff required for me to be mob. That and I would need to be the godfather to pull it off. This would mean I would never come up red.
1. You could be the hooker, and still come up red.
One of the main reasons I have confidence in you not being mob, Tyler, is this. When I came back from work, and found you and Kesh had posted a bunch, I went into total confusion. Up until that point, I was certain both you and Kesh weren't Mob. Then you both said a bunch of stuff which through it into doubt. Right up until half an hour before the votes closed, I was still 50-50 about who to vote for, could have gone either way, Kesh or Vorte. You were one of the main people who pushed it hard, to get Kesh killed. I was taken from 2-3 votes from kesh, and 6 or so for Vorte, to 6 for each, and in the end we got Kesh. You played a big part in that.
If you are a Townie (which I believe) you did an excellent job, and pushed it through, to get our first mob lynch. Which is one of the main reasons why I support you. If you are Mob, you could have saved Kesh, as before you started pushing, Kesh only had 2-3 votes, and Vorte would have died, and you wouldn't have been incriminated.
However, in fairness there is one more point.
Kesh could have been the miller. In which case you pushed it through, to get a villager killed, and then just lucked out. However, the miller is total rng. Nobody knows who he is, even himself. The chances of being the miller is pretty low, and to work your gameplan on gambling that Kesh is the miller, and then bluffing it afterwards? No, that would be pretty dumb. Nothing I saw indicated that you were expecting to kill kesh, and then be incriminated afterwards. Everything Tyler has done, seems to me, to be spot on, and following a logical and predictable path.
This is why I support Tyler.
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My thoughts on the current situation:
Kawe - Like Kesh, I have suspected Kawe from the start. However, as he has said he was a Vet this explains his actions. But, it could just be a clever plan to draw attention away from him.
Shiftey - Well by the looks of his vote for himself I think hes either given up / done a really stupid move.
Vorte - I believed him when he was fighting not to be lynched. Hasn't done anything to change my thoughts on him so I still think he's innocent.
Grax - Still unsure about Grax either way hes playing a very cryptic game.
Hugman - Has kind of swayed me by the information he posted. However, communicating with Kesh (a known Mob) could be quite suspect.
Tyler - Still not sure on Tyler.
Arch - Stayed pretty quiet since people found out he had an important role. Not much has been said / done since then about it. Something not right here imo.
So currently I'm suspicious of: Kawe, Arch, Shiftey
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Right, I am voting for Shiftey.
If Arch remains silent, I am changing it to him, on principle.
COS IF YOU ARE THE FRICKING TRACKER, YOU SPENT 2 DAYS NOT TELLING US SHIT, FUCKFACE!
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I now realized something. TTaM actually PMed me day 1 that he knows arches is a tracker. Which means he knew from the very beginning which a) is weird how he found out and b) if arches is a tracker and TTaM was a mafia, how the hell is arches still alive?
I am beginning to think that arches might actually be the godfather we are all looking for, he would should up as the tracker if investigated(cause that's the aura mafia built around him and leaked on purpose).
He's also very silent and trying to stay out of harms way, not posting at all. I hope this time I am right.
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Im up for changing my vote to Archz, its very suspicious.
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Good points Hug. The idea that we accidentally lynched the miller for our first lynch is pretty funny. We all know Kesh was guilty, he posted too many pics.
Shiftey is desperate. He knows he messed up. I didn't suspect him until the "Why would I do that?" post about changing to Kesh. The scales where lifted from my eyes at that point. He made that post in a hurry and forgot to stick to his "We don't/can't know anything. LYNCH RANDOM DUDE!" persona. Why on earth would he refuse to change vote to Kesh unless he was mob? It's clear as day.
I now trust Vorte and Kawe. They have revealed their roles, if they were lying they could be investigated. Vorte you should investigate Kawe just to be sure. Your role is now to check villager claims. The doc should still protect Vorte. If Vorte was lying the cop would have investigated him.
I also trust Hug. This is more of a leap of faith, but I don't think he has it in him to lie to me and every one else so consistently.
Now for the suspects in order (after Shiftey ofc).
Arches has played so randomly I have no clue. I would proably lynch him after Shiftey. Grax makes a good point wondering why he hasn't been whacked yet? Maybe the mob aren't scared of trackers. Tracker is a great role for tracking down a godfather though...
Nach has also played a bit randomly. Should have voted for TTaM. I still think he is a ninja.
Grax. Now Grax might have played a blinder. He tried to get me to switch to Vorte at 6-6. He may have voted for TTaM early to cover his tracks later in the game when Vorte was revealed as a cop. The whole mob strategy could be to make Grax, the godfather, difficult to suspect. If the mob were clever one of them would appear in TTaM's mafia image.
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Oh yeah one last thing. Cwave would have framed me for sure. I was after him pretty early.
It will backfire though should we get down to hunting the Godfather only, as it will prove im not him :)
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The voting for vorte thing was to insure we didnt get another stalemate, and why I pmed you and didnt do it in public.
I would have preferred vorte dying over another night without a lynch, I was far from certain of his innocence.
I discussed the same thing with delling in case it would end up with a tie.
Luckily we got a majority before midnight so it was NP.
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Oh, I just feel the need to say the word "Rucious" as its something we haven't really heard in the last 3 days or so.
I have nothing on him, but just the fact I (and others it seems) keep forgetting about him, is bad.
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oaky then:
LYNCH ARCHES!!!!
also the absolute trust you put in people claiming what roles they have is beyond me Tyler
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Shiftey, how come you voted for yourself?
And currently you have done nothing to prove to us that you're not mafia.
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shankski: I am posting like mad, I am trying, but everything is just hitting a wall that you people have created for you
and I have voted for myself to prove my theory right, then you'll see who the real mob is and my sacrifice wont be in vain
but now that I am beginning to suspect graxlos less and less, I think I should change it to arches
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Shiftey you make it sound like we villagers are doing something wrong. We have killed 3 of 5 mafia, the game is going really well for us.
The reason you can't see why I am confident of peoples roles is because you have not been thinking of the game in those terms. You are playing from the other perspective.
You surely are not saying that Kawe and Vorte are lying. If they were that would bring your total mafia to 4 (me, grax, kawe, vorte) when we know there are only 2 left. I am certain they are what they say as they know they can be checked. It might take some time to see who was telling the truth, but the village would know before the end of the game.
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I am not saying kawe is lying at all, I a not even talking about him. Interesting that you bring up some arbitrary numbers and names to create an aura of guilt around me.
Maybe you are trying to steer attention away from someone else?
I said I dont suspect grax now too, which you seem to ignore and involve him too. Which brings you entire argument to a dead end.
It's artifically made up and flawed.
Try again.
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Just so you know, my current assumption is there are 2 mafia left. You are the escort and Arches is the godfather.
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Nach has also played a bit randomly. Should have voted for TTaM. I still think he is a ninja.
In the beginning of voting I actually didn't think TTaM was guilty, at the end when it started to become clear that it was going for a TTaM lynch, I didn't want to switch votes when there was already a majority - but I was watching the thread closely, should I have needed to if people swapped votes - I declared this clearly on IRC. Now that I know TTaM was a mobster it feels like a dumb choice, but I don't feel that not changing my vote was a very dumb move, seeing how great that turned out for Cwave (thankfully he actually was a mob, should I have changed vote like him I'm pretty sure I'd be under more suspicion than now).
Long story short, I actually didn't think TTaM was a mobster.
Grax. Now Grax might have played a blinder. He tried to get me to switch to Vorte at 6-6. He may have voted for TTaM early to cover his tracks later in the game when Vorte was revealed as a cop. The whole mob strategy could be to make Grax, the godfather, difficult to suspect. If the mob were clever one of them would appear in TTaM's mafia image.
Fair point, but I still feel that Grax has played throughout the game as such he was a villager.
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I you want some light amusement, re-read the day 1 post, keeping in mind, Cwave,and Kesh are mobsters.
Its almost comical how they react to my random accusing of Shiftey.
Oh and yeah Rucious.
Seriously, if at the end of the game, this guy doesn't turn out to be a ninja, he should get a honorary ninja plaque.
The guy is fucking invisible.
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Just so you know, my current assumption is there are 2 mafia left. You are the escort and Arches is the godfather.
So you accept that Kawe is a veteran and Vorte is a cop?
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Oh, I just feel the need to say the word "Rucious" as its something we haven't really heard in the last 3 days or so.
I have nothing on him, but just the fact I (and others it seems) keep forgetting about him, is bad.
I'm fucking studying for my exams!! I can't read all posts that you have been posted! I ain't gonna quit this game until I'm dead or lynched, just wait calm for a post from me Hugman, don't shout!
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I dont dismiss that possibility, but I operate with the assumption that there are 2 mafia in the game. And based on what I can tell, my suspects are arches and you. And my reasoning is some posts ago.
Especially arches, I hope he actually speaks, I wanna hear his side of the story.
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Here are my thought from your posts. Shiftey is retardedly giving up the game. Tyler- I've never suspected him as being mafia, or he is either a guines godfather which playing with us as townie. Grax- I still don't know about this weirdo, he is good player. Hugman is most likely one of good guys. Arches - Vorte aren't suspicious. Shanks is suspicious because I haven't seen him posting much and from earlier days he has much much framed me about being mafia, which is still a question, why would he do that?. Nach- who are you in this game big Q mark?
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(http://i54.tinypic.com/2s78bhf.jpg)
That's how it is according to me.
I am still working on who Keyser S?ze is.
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Lol Shiftey. Just try and imagine the scenario where Vorte is lying. This would require lots of explaination. I'm sure there is a scenario where this is true, but it would imply many other things to be true.
That is what we villagers do, talk about these other implied scenarios to check them. We don't just keep saying "Well we can never be sure" and give up at that.
Anyway fair play to you. Last night you were quite down about the game, but this morning you have managed to sow some doubt in people minds. From an impossible situation that is pretty well done.
Nice pic Hug :)
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Grax: There is a simple solution to your question about Arches. Lets get Vorte to investigate him. If we lynch Shiftey tonight we only have one mobster left.
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Sounds reasonable enough to me - under the assumption that you and Vorte aren't in collusion ofcourse.
But that's easy enough to find out, as long as no one else claims to be a cop than Vorte, there's no reason to suspect that.
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Sorry guys, been rather busy! Had my second exam today!
I see that it has become common knowledge that I am a tracker now, so what the hell.
It was I that tracked kawe the first night, and yes he didn't do anything then.
This second night I was going to track Grishnag, but I was blocked by a whore. A whore I'm afraid might be Tyler, since it was he who told me to track Grishnag in the first place. And I see that vorte looked into him and that he popped up as red.
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Sorry guys, been rather busy! Had my second exam today!
I see that it has become common knowledge that I am a tracker now, so what the hell.
It was I that tracked kawe the first night, and yes he didn't do anything then.
This second night I was going to track Grishnag, but I was blocked by a whore. A whore I'm afraid might be Tyler, since it was he who told me to track Grishnag in the first place. And I see that vorte looked into him and that he popped up as red.
So let me get this straight.
You got told by Tyler, to Track Grish (a confirmed mob), and then you were blocked, and you suspect Tyler?
Why?
You think he is the hooker, and then he told you to track Grish, knowing he was the hooker, and could block you?
Well, it is a theory. A dumb one, but a theory.
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The picture is pretty wrong Hugman, I cant be the tallest with my 1.70m :P
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Wait.
Also Arch, you knew that Kesh knew you were the tracker dumbass!
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Ok.
Let me explain this to you Arches.
Kesh knew, probably from day one, that you were the tracker.
This means the mob knew. This means they use their whore on you, and use their kills on people they suspect as the cop. They wouldn't waste a kill on someone who they could confirm as the tracker, when they still haven't got the cop. Better to use the whore.
So likely since day 2, you have been blocked, since you told Kesh you were the tracker.
Dumb.
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Sorry, I just have to post this, so all the people who weren't on irc at the time can have a laugh:
[16:02] <Arches> I don't think Hugman knows how the whore works
[16:02] == Vorte [vorte@82.194.219.224] has quit [Ping timeout]
[16:02] <Hugman> she blocks you.
[16:02] <Hugman> simple as that
[16:02] == Oddweb [~Oddweb@Oddweb.users.quakenet.org] has quit [Ping timeout]
[16:02] <NachBjrrn> Cockblocks, if you so may
[16:02] <Hugman> indeed.
[16:02] <Globox> :")
[16:02] <TTaM> and gives u herpes
[16:02] <Arches> Yeah, and I get a PM "you didn't do shit, because you were busy banging a hoe last night"
[16:02] <Hugman> hahhahaha
[16:02] <Globox> :')
[16:02] == vortedroud [~androirc@82.194.219.224] has quit [Ping timeout]
[16:02] <Hugman> nice palmar
[16:02] <Vortee> rofl
[16:03] <Arches> So I know if it goes through or not
[16:03] <Hugman> win.
[16:03] <Hugman> right
[16:03] <Hugman> but night 2
[16:03] <Hugman> you were blocked right?
[16:03] <Arches> And I told kesh even though I suspected him, because then he would keep me alive
[16:03] <Arches> yes I were
[16:03] <tyler-work> that hoe was shiftey probably
[16:03] <tyler-work> eww
[16:04] <Hugman> hehehe.
[16:04] <Hugman> DID YOU EVEN CHECK FOR A PENIS?
[16:04] <delling> it's a 'ho' :P a hoe is... a gardening implement
[16:04] <NachBjrrn> No need when you waltz in through the backdoor.
[16:04] <Globox> Oo
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Just out of curiosity, who is your other suspect Tyler? Cause you seem to mention only me like I was the last mafia left. But there are 2 which you seem to ignore. Is there a reason for that?
Also who are your other suspects at all actually, cause I am a villager, which mean you are either very very wrong or a ninja who needs to bring our numbers down cause mafia is in risk of losing.
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You can probably just go back and read my post for the last suspect. He will be harder to find for sure.
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Last? as in one? You are still leaving one out then.
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Hmm it looks like I mis-read the godfather rules. It turns out the godfather can pick a blue role to appear as if investigated (I thought they appeared as villager). Some of my logic in how to procede may need to be reworked. I will think on.
The other thing I am a little confused about is: how on earth did we have 2 mob die last night. I know a ninja could have done Grish, but why? Maybe we do have 2 vigalanties? If so the other should speak up as they are now just a villager.
Confirmed roles we had are tracker and vigilante. Claimed roles are tracker, vigilante and cop. Presuamably we have a doctor. 6 blues sounds high no?
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Yeahp, was talking it over on IRC before and if it hadn't been for delling calling out asking for any ninjas to PM him and saying nothing more about it, I'd have been confident it was two vigilante killers. With that mysterious message though, I imagine dell might've somehow sweet-talked some ninja into using one of their kills. This is made more likely by the fact nobody has spoken up about being a second vigilante, when there's no reason for them not to now.
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Also godfather appears as a villager affiliation Tyler. Palmar screwed up the rules I asked him to clarify that. So the description is wrong on that.
And yeah, given we had 10 villagers at start...
one is presumably a miller, that leaves 9
then one was a tracker (Ino) that leaves 8
we obviously assume there is a cop a doctor that leaves 6
then we have veteran and vigilante that leaves 4
now we have arches claiming to be a tracker that would leave only 3 villagers if there was a second vigilante that would mean only 2 villagers left, which would mean I am one of the two and that means everybody including another person is lying like fuck
that scenario sound very improbable and that makes me believe Arches may be lying about the whole tracker thing and that there are any additional blue roles (such as double vig)
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Yeah, makes enough sense, I guess the Ninja messaged Delling and Delling sortof made him use 1 kill...
For the first time in this game you've actually got me convinced over something Shiftey :P
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Totally agree on the dell sweet talking a ninja, bless him. It's by far the most likely explaination.
As for double tracker, well not that I don't think Arches is suspicious, because I do, I wouldn't be supprised if Palmar doubled up at least one blue role.
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Palmar did say on several occations that we should not try to read him, though..
Right now I'm quite confused, really..
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Well he would say that vorte, but we are still gonna try :P
I got your role wrong! You can only determine mafia/villager assocication. Scratch all that stuff about being able to see if people are lying by testing their roles :)
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Yeah, the game is built around the double posetives\negatives!
I'm mainly looking to figure out who the whore is now.. y'know, so we can call someone a whore.
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I think we can call Tyler a whore! He may be framed but that's one out of 11. How come everybody assumes right away that Cwave framed Tyler? Great play from Tyler how he managed to make you all believe that without any doubts or questions around that.
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Not that clear about the rules, but Cwave could have framed Tyler before he got whacked of?
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Not that clear about the rules, but Cwave could have framed Tyler before he got whacked of?
Yes, killing was last in the list of priorities Palmar gave us on irc.
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Yes of course he could, I am not disputing that. But another 9 people could have been framed. 10% chance it was actually Tyler. 90% chance that it was someone else. So vorte's investigation may have been correct all along. Yet nobody seems to question that?
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Yes of course he could, I am not disputing that. But another 9 people could have been framed. 10% chance it was actually Tyler. 90% chance that it was someone else. So vorte's investigation may have been correct all along. Yet nobody seems to question that?
I love it how you present the data in a certain way in an attempt to convince us Shiftey.
Keep going, I find it amusing.
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I find it amusing how badly you play this game if you are convince about a villager being a mafia Hugman. Apparently you are just as dumb as me, join the club.
Also if we believe vorte is the cop, and since noone else is posting and made the claim I can actually believe that.
Then how come when a cop comes outright and says I investigated this guy and he's mafia, everybody blames the villager?
Let vorte investigate me during next night and you'll see that I am a green villager.
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That is what they call specious (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/specious) resoning shiftey.
Of course Cwave would not have picked someone at random to frame. He would have chosen someone a)likley to be investigated and b)good for the mafia to be implicated. Personally I think I fit both those descriptions. I would put my chance at >50% for Cwave to frame.
There is however a 10% chance that I am a Miller :)
I agree with Hug here. We all know you are not this stupid. Please continue with the convincing.
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We both know that the most obvious suspect for investigation was me at that point. And you know that :) so if anyone was framed there's a high chance it would be me cause I really stirred things up.
So your argument right there is not valid at all :)
Just like there is a chance TTaM was a miller and you had him lynched right? maybe maybe?
So Tyler is either just as dumb and terrible at this game like me and hugman now, or he's really smart mafia and everybody else is fucking dumb as fuck.
The only way to clean myself would be to break the rules and actually screenshot the PM but then I'd get modkilled.
But I seriously hate when people are stupid, that's what I hate most. And that's what you two are right now. Either that or very very clever mob creating a diversion from themselfs.
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We both know that the most obvious suspect for investigation was me at that point. And you know that :) so if anyone was framed there's a high chance it would be me cause I really stirred things up.
Annnnnnnnnnd there is the flaw in the logic.
The most obvious suspect for investigation at that point? Do you really believe that? Are you really that self involved?
Hands up if you felt that Shiftey was the most obvious suspect worthy of investigation at the end of day 2.
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Wow hugman, once again you display your complete ignorance. Tyler just said the same thing!
Wow you are really bad at hiding things now. Ignoring everything else but Shiftey bashing to get me lynched.
Are you involved with the mob?
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I was not the one claiming a 10% chance Shiftey. That was you.
Vorte was suspisous enough of me to investigate. Cwave knew you were mob, so I got framed and investigated.
I also don't belive this new tack of "Tyler's being stupid". I can't see anyone else falling for it.
Hug: If you look back he was 2nd on my list, between Cwave and Grish!
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Cwave knew I wasnt the mob Tyler, cause I am a villager. It's so obvious you two are plotting and bashing to lead us of the track.
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAH!
GO TOWN!
How the hell did that happen?
Lets pause for a second and compare the first two responses after the night end...
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What? lol you suck tyler, I was wondering how was it possible for 2 mafia to die during the night.
Giving it your best to frame a villager. It's just a subjective argument. No valid fact in that. Just like everything you have created and made up so far.
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It's just a subjective argument. No valid fact in that.
Errr, you mean unlike the rest of the game?
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You know what guys, I give up. You are all so set on me being mafia, Tyler really played this one well and poisoned you. Just bear in mind when I die and you see that I was a villager and start shouting who's fault it is... it was Tyler's so make sure to lynch him next. Cause he's bloody well obvious.
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Wasn't saying you were, just pointing out that your argumentation wasn't that strong and you probably need a more concrete post.
I get what you're saying, but you've spread all your arguments out and they're easier to just tackle one by one, just summary a post with why you think Tyler is the bad guy - I have my own doubts of Tyler at the moments aswell, but it's mainly gut feeling rather than actual logic.
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Shiftey is desperate. He knows he messed up. I didn't suspect him until the "Why would I do that?" post about changing to Kesh. The scales where lifted from my eyes at that point. He made that post in a hurry and forgot to stick to his "We don't/can't know anything. LYNCH RANDOM DUDE!" persona. Why on earth would he refuse to change vote to Kesh unless he was mob? It's clear as day.
You just haven't considered the fact that I genuinly believed that TTaM was a villager, I got played by the mob just like you are playing everybody else right now.
I now trust Vorte and Kawe. They have revealed their roles, if they were lying they could be investigated. Vorte you should investigate Kawe just to be sure. Your role is now to check villager claims. The doc should still protect Vorte. If Vorte was lying the cop would have investigated him.
So you are saying that vorte should check villagers claims? Okay I claim to be a villager, let vorte check me next night I will turn up green and we can finish of the real mafia amongst us.
I also trust Hug. This is more of a leap of faith, but I don't think he has it in him to lie to me and every one else so consistently.
So you randomly trust Hugman? And I guess I should be flattered you consider me smart enough that I could be capable of consistently lying this much?
Oh yeah one last thing. Cwave would have framed me for sure. I was after him pretty early.
To be fair I was a better target that for framing as I was preposterous figure. It?s just random chances were low to begin with.
You surely are not saying that Kawe and Vorte are lying. If they were that would bring your total mafia to 4 (me, grax, kawe, vorte) when we know there are only 2 left. I am certain they are what they say as they know they can be checked. It might take some time to see who was telling the truth, but the village would know before the end of the game.
I havent even talked about kawe there, you just randomly inserted that into an argument, therefore that is a lie. Vorte, he is claiming to be a cop and now I am inclined to believe that and say I may have been wrong and played by TTaM. It happens, you see, I am gullible to fall for that, not smart to pull off such a massive conspiracy.
Then you bring up a number of 4? I havent said that either, I said I was operating under an assumption there are 2 at worst 3. Yet another lie!
Never said kawe is mafia and I now believe graxlos much more since you started bashing him too a bit. So all of that is made up.
As for double tracker, well not that I don't think Arches is suspicious, because I do, I wouldn't be supprised if Palmar doubled up at least one blue role.
If you are, then we both are and so is Graxlos. Let's lynch him then.
Of course Cwave would not have picked someone at random to frame. He would have chosen someone a)likley to be investigated and b)good for the mafia to be implicated. Personally I think I fit both those descriptions. I would put my chance at >50% for Cwave to frame.
Same argument again? The answer to that is above. I was just as good if not a better target.
Vorte was suspisous enough of me to investigate.
And what happened? Here is what happened:
Yes, it is true that Tyler popped up as red for me.
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Well I gotta admire the chutzpah of you still trying to face it out Shiftey. Not many would, but not many are as hubristic as you. I think the best way for anyone reading this to decide, and after all they are my audience, not you, would be to read through this thread again twice. Once where Shiftey is telling the truth and once where I am telling the truth.
Personally I don't think it will be a tough choice. I went all out to get TTaM, Cwave, Grish and now Shiftey lynched. You have failed around behind your "How can anyone know anything?" persona. There is only one of us who has been consistent through the entire game.
It's funny but I thought I would not need to type so much today after I saw this mornings results. But now I think of it, to get the 5 votes we need for a lynch I need to convince all the blues and greens. That is the only way to out vote the 2 mob and probable 2 ninja.
If it is supposed to be my plan to get 3 of my own killed, then start picking off the villagers, then call my bluff. Lynch Shiftey and watch me squirm on the off chance I am wrong. The town will still be ahead. However if I am right, and lynching Shiftey means the mob are down to one guy, that is a huge boost for the village. A virtual certain win, and I do like to win :)
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and after all they are my audience
here, clearly admitting you played them all nicely and they are listening to your every word
Lynch Shiftey and watch me squirm on the off chance I am wrong.
Yeah you are, I am trying to tell you that, but you are too stupid and stubborn to understand, or maybe you are very clever and very carefully controlling everything that has been happening.
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And talking about consistency, I voted both for TTaM and Cwave in the voting and arguing against them. But could not make a case in day 1, sadly.... so turns out I was right about them? Or perhaps you lucked out on lynching TTaM and he was a miller?
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I'm just gonna stick to what I've been thinking all along - and so my vote tonight goes to graxlos, whom I suspect the most to be godfather.
As for Shiftey, I'm not convinced at all either way with him, and lynching him doesn't really bring anything useful forth in my eyes.
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If we lynch another mafia, then they will only have on kill during the night? Worth a shot?
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Assuming there are only 2 mafia left in the game, they have only 1 kill already Arches.
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It's hard for me to vote Shiftey, while I suspect Grax and shanks as well. I don't know why I would vote him since he was indeed sure that TTaM was mob as well and gave his all opinions to lynch him. I'm too confused to whom I should vote for. Tyler you really do play your game well, what if you're at the end going to backstab us?
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I find it odd that you suspect me to be the godfather when I have been supporting theories against the three known mafia. Cwave, Grish and TTaM. But hey I might just have wanted to lose. Or do you think that I wanted to just be the last mafia standing? It would make a little sense if you thought I was the ninja but I cant see the logic in me being the godfather, my job would be to avoid getting mobsters lynched.
It does indicate to me that my vote for arches might be right.
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If these are clever mobsters they are turning this vote in to a villager vs villager vote.
If my absense from posting yesterday evening has sparked this and you are just oblivious villagers then I guess it was a bad move, but today I really have to get some work done.
Since Im still in doubt about Shiftey I would rather change my vote to him than sacrifice myself.
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I fear I am spamming this thread too much, so I am going to summarise my position again.
I believe Shiftey is mob because he flat out refused to change vote to TTaM at 6-6 in the previous round. He offered no reasoning for not changing, and had previously asked me to switch to Vorte as "he is the only one we will get a majority for".
Now we know that TTaM was mob. We are fairly sure that Vorte is a cop. The priority order for suspecting people as mafia goes like this
1) People who voted for Vorte
2) People who didn't vote for TTaM
3) People who voted for TTaM
4) People who switched to TTaM before there was a majority for him.
You have to have _very_ good reason not to follow this order. For example I believe Kawe was afk during the last hours, and previously had been keeping a low profile.
Rucious: Remember how I came to the A-Raid channel to get you to vote for TTaM. Please trust me again on this one and we will get another mobster.
Vorte: do you not remember Shiftey asking for everyone to lynch you? He pushed very hard. You need a really good reason to ignore that. Do you remember how you managed to talk me round when I initially suspected you? And then how I altered my vote at 2-6 to start the train of events to save you from TTaM?
Grax:You have said yourself that at least one of the mafia would not have voted for TTaM. In fact I'm sure you know that one mob following the village vote is the best strategy. As for accusing Cwave and Grish, I don't remember anything strong. We ofc never got to vote on that. I am not saying you are mob for certain, just that your actions could be consistent with being mafia.
If anyone wants a PM to explain anything let me know. I shouldn't spam the thread so much. We will need all 6 remaining villagers to vote unanimously to get a mob lynch. (That is how close we were to the edge of losing when people were going to vote for Vorte!)
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Well, I think you got me there, Tyler. I'm gonna listen to you this time too.
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Cool Rucious :)
Since Im still in doubt about Shiftey I would rather change my vote to him than sacrifice myself.
And yet you still haven't changed your vote... Let's see you tried to get me to change to Vorte last round. You changed from Shiftey (priority group 1) to Arches (group 4) this round...
The jig is up Grax. So here are the final standings
Villagers:
Me
Hugman
Kawe
Vorte
Rucious
Arches
Mafia:
Shiftey
Graxlos
Ninja:
Nach
Shank
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I did explain my reasoning behind it to you and as you might remember i didnt change my own vote to vorte. I said that in case of a stalemate situation I would change my vote, I cant grasp why you find that so weird and keep focusing on it, perhaps you are the ninja we should be looking for.
I had a long discussion with shiftey yesterday that makes me doubt his guilt, and I still dont see the logic in the mafia trying to kill kawe if it is "a known fact" that arches is the tracker, which you seem to believe.
Someone is lying.
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I believe Shiftey is mob because he flat out refused to change vote to TTaM at 6-6 in the previous round. He offered no reasoning for not changing, and had previously asked me to switch to Vorte as "he is the only one we will get a majority for".
Now we know that TTaM was mob. We are fairly sure that Vorte is a cop. The priority order for suspecting people as mafia goes like this
1) People who voted for Vorte
2) People who didn't vote for TTaM
3) People who voted for TTaM
4) People who switched to TTaM before there was a majority for him.
Same bullshit random argument over and over and over again. I believed genuinly Vorte was a mob and TTaM was less likely. On the other hand, check the fucking thread, I voted and argued day 1 for both TTaM and Cwave. So I, just like Graxlos both got the mobsters right.
Plus you fit the points 3 and 4 in your little priority list. So why not going from there?
If these are clever mobsters they are turning this vote in to a villager vs villager vote.
This is just what is happening right now, cause I am definitely a villager.
Well, I think you got me there, Tyler. I'm gonna listen to you this time too.
Why do you trust him if I proved his previous arguments were made up lies? Is it because he's old man from england and I am some guy from soviet block?
And if Tyler says that Vorte is a confirmed cop, than WHY THE FUCK DO WE IGNORE HIS INVESTIGATION????
Cool Rucious :)
The jig is up Grax. So here are the final standings
Villagers:
Me
Hugman
Kawe
Vorte
Rucious
Arches
Mafia:
Shiftey
Graxlos
Ninja:
Nach
Shank
This list is wrong, I am plain and simple a villager. Making such lists as arguments is another obvious lie.
perhaps you are the ninja we should be looking for.
I think Tyler fits the profile and his behaviour fits too.
Someone is lying.
Tyler is, clear as day.
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Okay let's do this. I vote for myself and sacrifice myself to reveal the real threat.
Tyler
So remember then when I get lynched and you see a green villager. You know who to lynch next. Tyler was pushing this so hard and adamantly, it is obvious he has hidden agenda. Lynch him next and villager will get even closer to victory.
Should I be the miller and show up as red when lynch. Bear in mind there is only Escort and Godfather roles left in the game. I would show up as normal mafioso which arent in the game anymore, so in that case you also know that I was a villager and that Tyler was lying to you all along.
Remember all this.
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I'm just gonna leave what I posted on day two http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6113.msg99166#msg99166
It is basically that I understood very early that many would trust you alot, Tyler - and as such I decided to put a fat questionmark on everyone who soaked up whatever you said. I think you and grax have been working together well "without working together" if you catch my drift? This is both consistant with village and mafia - and with only two mafia left... well, it just.. fits.
I'm holding rucious and shank as possibilities for mobsters, but the ninja role seem to fit better for them.
But I see Shiftey is going to sac himself for nothing tonight so.. my one vote for who I believe to be the mafiaboss seems worthless :P
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Mod note:
I'm thinking about this next night only lasting 18 hours (ending at 18:00 friday CEST) and the following day only lasting 30 hours (Starting 18:00 friday CEST, and ending 23:59 Saturday evening CEST)
This will introduce a new "late-game" schedule of 30/18 hour days/nights, cutting the day/night cycle from 72 hours to 48 hours.
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While you're still here, can you confirm if Mafia still has 1 or 2 kills?
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There is no way for you to know that.
You have two confirmed mafia kills, as all classes flip correctly during night, so that leaves 3/5 mafia.
If TTaM was a miller, they have 2 kills (3/5), but if he was indeed mafiosi, then they only have 1 kill (2/5).
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Well, I think you got me there, Tyler. I'm gonna listen to you this time too.
Why do you trust him if I proved his previous arguments were made up lies? Is it because he's old man from england and I am some guy from soviet block?
That has nothing to do with it lol.
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So let's hear your argument Rucious
I asked you on irc, you ignored me. Seems like you are using this opportunity to lynch a villager and hide something.
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I don't know what to say after Tyler convinced me. That's why I didn't answer on IRC, Shiftey. He has more strong points than you do, so I'll go with him this time as well, like he said me to change my vote for TTaM.
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And? I voted and argued for both TTaM and Cwave day 1 and nobody trusted me. Turns out I was right all along.
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And I proved most of Tyler's arguments are made up lies that were never told by me.
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I'm gonna vote Tyler, I don't think Shiftey is the bad guy. Pretty sure this'll bite me in the ass tomorrow when Tyler only needs to convince 3 villagers to get a majority vote, but from where I see it Tyler is more suspicious than Shiftey at this point - but I'm gonna stop rolling with playing it safe and going with conviction instead.
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I was actually about ready to put some faith in Shiftey after chatting with him for quite a long while on TS about the outcome of last night after day broke. However, since then we've went from him suggesting to lynch himself and saying it'd be okay if he got lynched anyway since we're ahead and it'd give us some more info at first, into now being very frantic and seemingly angry or frustrated. Makes me feel it's a lot more likely a bluff that has been called.
So I'm going to maintain my trust in Tyler for now; so far every call he's made with any force has turned up good results.
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Please remember this voting record against me.
Tyler, Hugman, Rucious, Archz, Kawe, Graxlos
2 mafia are most likely amongst them.
Kill them and end the game so we can start another one.
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Please remember this voting record against me.
Tyler, Hugman, Rucious, Archz, Kawe, Graxlos
2 mafia are most likely amongst them.
Kill them and end the game so we can start another one.
Yes, because if they have voted against you; clearly, they must be Mafia; so we must restrict our Mafia-witchhunting to those have voted against you.
Some of your posts, Jesus; make me think either you are a really, really like-retardedly bad villager, who has no idea about how to present data in order to logically prove your innocent; or a very incompetent Mafioso.
No I would rather take a look at the voting done by people since the start of day 3:
Graxlos: Shiftey>Arches>Shiftey.
Tyler: Shiftey.
Shiftey: Tyler>Shiftey>Arches>Tyler>Shiftey>Tyler.
Kawe: Shiftey.
Hugman: Shiftey.
Vorte: Graxlos.
Arches: Graxlos>Shiftey.
Rucious; Graxlos>Shiftey.
Shankski: Graxlos.
Nach: Tyler.
So, What do I get from that? Well Shiftey has changed his vote a total of 5 times, in one day, even going as far as to retardedly vote for himself several times. Does that prove he is Mafia? No, not on its own, but with some of the frankly stupid and illogical "clearly I am totally innocent! Its so obvious how can you not see it!" posts Shiftey has done in the last day, It doesn't paint a pretty picture. Lets take a look shall we? Have a little gander at Shiftey's attempt to "prove his innocence" since I accused him at the beginning of day 3; and decide for yourself, I you were in his place, and a villager, would you act this way?
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Starting from the start of day 3:
From what vorte tells me though, he investigated you Tyler and you showed up as read, and that means there are 2 mafioso voting for TTaM, which means they killed him outright probably to gain trust. And who were the two most voiced about TTaM? Tyler and Graxlos, it is becoming apparent they are the mobsters in here. Unless either TTaM or Tyler are millers.
So could I be right about Tyler and Graxlos?
Tyler even voted for Cwave first but changed, definitely trying to make us believe how he really is a villager.
As for your accusations, I am not seeing any evidence, I voted for who I believed to be a mob but sure, go ahead, lynch me a waste a kill. But there are mafia amongst us and they want me dead and since tyler and graxlos both so hastly voted for me and trying to frame me. It's becoming very obvious who the mafia is right now.
I say let's start with Tyler. Lynch him!
Accuses Tyler and Gaieos.
See, now you are lying to frame me.
I havent accused delling.
Starting to lose yourself in your web of lies there mister mafia? You're the godfather, now I know.
Accuses Gaieos again.
Also the one of the dead mafia vote for TTaM Graxlos, another lie in that post? Just lies and lies of lies. You're losing yourself in it. You're clearly mafia right now.
And again.
That log proves I was right about grishnag. And also that delling thing you are leaving out a part cause it was a sarcasm :)
So yeah, you just proved that I am a villager, thank you. You are definitely a mafia.
And again, then states the fact that Gaieos had questioned him, as "clear" proof that he is innocent, and Gaieos is "clearly" Mafia.
Trying so desperately to frame me, this is fantastic :) I voted for myself too just to prove you all wrong, lynch me please. I am a villager, I will sacrifice myself to prove that Tyler and Graxlos are mafia.
Accuses Gaieos and Tyler again, then states "OH I WILL VALIANTLY SACRIFICE MYSELF, FOR THE GOOD OF THE VILLAGE!". Then changes his vote to himself ???.
Everybody says that I am a terrible villager but I think otherwise, if I can pull so much attention from the mob to me, especially people who are overzealously trying to lynch me and then I'll turn up green, which I will unless I am a miller. Then you'll know who is the mafia and we'll win the game. And since I am a villager, despite being dead, I will win too. I think it's a very clever move from my side.
Then states he is actually playing a brilliant villager role! As he is drawing all the attention to himself, so he can die in your place! Fellow villagers! Rejoice! For the Shiftey martyr is here, to save you from having to decide on who to vote! ???
I now realized something. TTaM actually PMed me day 1 that he knows arches is a tracker. Which means he knew from the very beginning which a) is weird how he found out and b) if arches is a tracker and TTaM was a mafia, how the hell is arches still alive?
I am beginning to think that arches might actually be the godfather we are all looking for, he would should up as the tracker if investigated(cause that's the aura mafia built around him and leaked on purpose).
He's also very silent and trying to stay out of harms way, not posting at all. I hope this time I am right.
Well, a few hours after I post about Kesh's pm's to me, he suddenly "finds" that in an earlier pm to him from Kesh, that has evidence that Arch may be lying! Does he post even, the copy-pasted version? No. He just moves on. And by "moves on" I mean: "I am gonna ignore all the stuff Hugman posted about me earlier in that post about Kesh's data, because, ya know, we don't want to dwell on that do we... OH LOOK ARCHES, CLEARLY, PER MY PM I DIDN'T POST, HE IS AS GUILTY AS FUCK! LETS GET HIM!" Changes vote to Arches.
oaky then:
LYNCH ARCHES!!!!
also the absolute trust you put in people claiming what roles they have is beyond me Tyler
And now Arches is the "Clear" Mafioso.
shankski: I am posting like mad, I am trying, but everything is just hitting a wall that you people have created for you
and I have voted for myself to prove my theory right, then you'll see who the real mob is and my sacrifice wont be in vain
but now that I am beginning to suspect graxlos less and less, I think I should change it to arches
Now that Gaieos has changed his vote from Shiftey, he is no longer the bad guy! Lets all kill Arches now!
I am not saying kawe is lying at all, I a not even talking about him. Interesting that you bring up some arbitrary numbers and names to create an aura of guilt around me.
Maybe you are trying to steer attention away from someone else?
I said I dont suspect grax now too, which you seem to ignore and involve him too. Which brings you entire argument to a dead end.
It's artifically made up and flawed.
Try again.
Oh, shit, Tyler said something, quick! point out Tyler is Mafioso!
I dont dismiss that possibility, but I operate with the assumption that there are 2 mafia in the game. And based on what I can tell, my suspects are arches and you. And my reasoning is some posts ago.
Especially arches, I hope he actually speaks, I wanna hear his side of the story.
Yup, definitely with Tyler and Arches now!
Then the next few posts are some "logical" drivel about how clearly Tyler is Mafioso.
Changes vote to Tyler.
You know what guys, I give up. You are all so set on me being mafia, Tyler really played this one well and poisoned you. Just bear in mind when I die and you see that I was a villager and start shouting who's fault it is... it was Tyler's so make sure to lynch him next. Cause he's bloody well obvious.
Decides to give up, Changes vote to himself.
Then Changes his mind again, and does a large post, explaining how logical it is that Tyler is Mafia. Personally, I didn't get a single useful piece of data from it.
So let's hear your argument Rucious
I asked you on irc, you ignored me. Seems like you are using this opportunity to lynch a villager and hide something.
Oh, no, Rucious said something. Quick! imply he is Mafia!
And? I voted and argued for both TTaM and Cwave day 1 and nobody trusted me. Turns out I was right all along.
Then imply you were fully right all along, to back up the drivel you have been posting for the last day.
Please remember this voting record against me.
Tyler, Hugman, Rucious, Archz, Kawe, Graxlos
2 mafia are most likely amongst them.
Kill them and end the game so we can start another one.
And finally finish it, with some more "logic".
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So, did anyone apart from me, re-read all of Shiftey's posts, since the beginning of day 3; and not think he sounds fucking insane?
Do you really believe a person who posted all that, has the town's best interest at heart?
Do you really think all of that frankly borderline schizo posting, voting and accusing; that it was done in the interest of getting a town win, and not just to spread fuck tonnes of confusion among the remaining villagers?
Seriously. I can understand some of you have suspicions about Tyler, fair enough. Imo he still could be a ninja
But Shiftey? Come on! He is as guilty as fuck.
One more thing to point out, and its a good one. In all that posting, accusing, and vote changing, Shiftey didn't vote, or accuse me of being mob once. Why not? I accused him of being Mob at the beginning of day 3, and stuck with it throughout the day, making regular posts and irc posts, pointing out he was guilty and talking bollocks.
And with all those accusations he threw around, he never once, accused me. I did just as much Shiftey bashing as Tyler, and yet, nothing.
Wanna know why? Because, at this point, most of you are fairly sure (not 100% but ok) that I am not mob. While some of you have suspicions about Tyler, Gaieos, and Arches.
He as a mobster, isn't gonna go for trying to convince you, I am mob, its too hard, too much has been said, that can back me up, as not.
So he goes for the easier targets, spreads some doubt around, and BOOOM! we have a conflicted vote.
We didn't at the mid point of day 3, the majority had already voted for him.
And now we are conflicted.
Not the actions of a Townie.
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Night Descends!
Only the terrible combination of fear, grief and anger can drive people to do the unspeakable things that happened at sunset.
The crowd was out for blood, Shiftey would pay for his crimes with his life. As the Executioner prepared the guillotine for it's second use in two days, someone shouted from the crowd. "The guillotine is too good for him, use the wheel".
And the Executioner tied Shiftey spread eagled on the breaking wheel. Shiftey hadn't spoken a word since he had been seized by the angry mob. Everything had already been said.
The hammer fell on Shiftey's leg and broke it, Shiftey flinched, in obvious pain, but unwilling to yield. The Executioner then broke his other leg...
As the Executioner prepared to break Shiftey's arm, someone from the crowd rushed forward and grabbed the Executioners hammer and swiftly granted Shiftey coup de grace.
Displeased, the crowd shouted in anger at the traveler, but his voice, loud and clear rose above the town square. The only thing he said was:
"But can't you see? This man's blood is as pure as his resolve is steely!"
The traveler then disappeared into the night.
(http://projects.unpleasantstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/The-Wheel-01-Edit.jpg)
Shiftey the Villager has died a painful death
Ahkailon the Traveler has left town
It is now night
This night will end 18:00 CEST Friday. The day after that will only be 30 hours. With less players it takes less time for discussion.
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As the sun rose again over Edgeville, the villagers solemnly started their next day. No one had any illusion that brutally killing the innocent Shiftey would somehow stop the murders...
No one is safe in the night.
(http://www.livebreatheshine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/sunshine1.jpg)
But it's a beautiful day, and the morale of the town is greatly heightened when they find out no one died during the night!
It is now Day 4. This day will end 23:59 Saturday evening, that's 30 hours from now.
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Good morning edgeville!
So this was a weird night.
I guess any remaining ninjas are saving their kills.
The mafia had one or two kills afaik. So they could have gunned for a ninja, a veteran or someone with doc protection or all of the above.
Is the doc informed if he saved someone?
Is the ninja or veteran informed who they are attacked by?
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I was only informed that I was attacked when I lost my spare life, not who it was that shot at me.
No idea if doc gets info on his patient though, need palmar to answer that I think.
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You never get any info on the attacker.
If a vet/ninja gets hit, I will tell them.
If a doctor protects anyone, I will tell him.
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We need doctors ninjas or vets to speak up (ninjas just claim to be vets :P )
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Well thats interesting...
I was sort of waiting for a kill at least so we could narrow down who it is.
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We need doctors ninjas or vets to speak up (ninjas just claim to be vets :P )
??
The doctor should not speak up...
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This is what I said in IRC to grax yesterday and today, not sure why he keeps repeating it every day.
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Well vorte spoke up and we saved him. If people are speaking the truth we have two official blues already.
The cop and the tracker.
They have survived two nights both of them.
Perhaps we have two doctors so they both get saved.
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So we gamble a doctor on a blind hope that we have a second? How does this make any sense? Even if there is, it serves the town no purpose to have the docs visible to anyone but themselves.
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Well as I suggested on IRC. If the doctor has indeed saved arches twice he must trust arches enough to pm arches that he was saved tonight.
If arches lets us know that this is the case we have some information that can be "falsified".
Arches either you are extremely stupid, ninja or you have incredibly high thoughts of me.
I worked to save vorte. Shiftey convinced me that he wasnt mafia, but then as people started voting for me I changed my vote back to him to insure my survival.
Im a really skilled godfather
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My last post for today.
Has anyone considered Archz being the ninja?
He can actually track people. He would turn up green upon investigation.
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Just to post it here, for those not on irc - I investigated tyler a second time tonight, and he was now green.
As for the doc, just keep me alive and the game is practically won :P
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Ah hubris my old friend. I mistook a 70% chance of Shiftey being mob to be an absolute certainty. How typical that I should succumb to its seductive charm the same day I accuse someone else of showing it. Shiftey's screams are haunting me.
Yes he was batshit crazy. Barking at the moon, eyes darting this way and that. Often holding three contradictory beliefs in the same post. No good to himself, or the town. Even so, as I was frogmarching him torwards the angry mob my cold, dark heart should have had some sort of reaction to his repeated cries of "but I am a villager, you will see!".
It turns out Shiftey believed in reincarnation. His heartfelt belief was that in circumstances such as these it is better to act insane, as next time he might be mafia. Naturally like most superstition this is nonsense. The village will by default fall upon the mad given no other obvious alternatives. The deranged are no use to anyone searching for the truth, even if they are innocent.
We are in luck though. The two remaining mob scum failed to kill anyone last night. So either the doctor did his thing or the mob targeted a ninja. My analysis from yesterday needs a tweak to explain shifty the mad's innocence. I think the first assumption that we should question is the 2 ninjas idea. I think it is more likely there is only one now. This means the best explaination that I can see is that one of the guys I thought was a ninja is in fact a mobster.
Vorte's investigations show that I am definatley not a mobster (big shout out to Cwave beyond the grave, thanks bro). I am aware that many will think I am a ninja. I will try and put anyone who thinks that mind at rest. Given that a ninja's best interest is to help the mob at the moment, I will show myself to be a villager by promising to follow Vorte's vote (unless he votes for me). He has made good calls all the way though the game.
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Busy day today, brothers got this confirmation shit thingy and I'm relatively hungover. I'm going shankski because it makes sense.
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I might do with Shanks as well, there is no posts that can say he is innocent but mafia..all he did was whenever he was blamed he tried to cover is as by accusing someone else.
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*cover his ass
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If I get the majority vote then you will be lynching another villager. No kidding.
Rucious I've hardly tried to cover my ass by accusing someone else. The only people I've voted for are people being suspicious.
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I must say that you have never posted that you're innocent! you don't show up much. Well on the other hand Graxlos is soo suspicous. I don't know which of you I should vote for. Tyler, you have been cursed by Shiftey's execution, what should we do next?
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Well, it is as a few say, you don't go out of your way to defend yourself, Shankski! -That- makes me suspicious more than anything else, really. Think I'll roll with Nach's thinking today..
What we learned tonight is that Tyler is not part of the mob, but he may still be a ninja, something that's quite probable - yet, I'm going with my gut when it comes to voting. (I'm still not counting grax out for mafia overlord, and now possibly whore).
(Sorry for my postcount dropping, arena tournament realm is just too awesome)
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Tyler's gonna be following Vorte's vote today, unless he's changed his mind on that or Vorte votes for Tyler ofc :P
Actually, I was going to say how I was gonna take time to mull over things before voting, but I'm always forgetting that we can change our vote after casting it; gonna go pop a vote in for now.
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Graxlos wrote in the voting thread:
"Im giving up on this game. Look through my earlier statements and actions.
How you can find me the most suspicious is beyond me. Im going out and wont be able to post before midnight. Two townspeople in a row would be a good job."
I deleted it from there.
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What else do you want me to say Vorte?
I'm a villager. I don't want to pull a Shiftey and be over defensive cause look what happened to him.
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Well, right now you're pulling a reversed Shiftey, if you feel me..
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Yes, cause no one believed him he went over the top and then got lynched as a result.
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Tyler, you have been cursed by Shiftey's execution, what should we do next?
Rucious: I am going to follow Vorte. Both Shanks and Grax are good targets imo. It is up to you which you chose. No one is going to blame you either way.
Grax has been pointing the finger at Arches a bit, but hasn't come up with many other theories. He has been after Arches all game. He altered to Arches from Shiftey even when he was acting crazy. Then went back again "to not get the the cross hairs". That did not sound like villager reasoning. The problem is Arches has been acting suspicious all game, however if he is a tracker he is also the best target for the godfather.
That and the new "the doctor should declare" tack is odd. I mean the doc is important against both mob and the ninja(s). Why would anyone want him to declare.
I also think Shank is probably ninja or mob though, even though Grax has voted for him. Shanks has not posted as much as others so is always a good target. Shank you need to maybe explain some of your previous decisions. Then go on to provide an overview of the current game state if you want more people to belive you.
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Shank you need to maybe explain some of your previous decisions. Then go on to provide an overview of the current game state if you want more people to belive you.
By previous decisions I guess you mean voting?
Day 1&2 Voted for Kesh twice, I already explained my reasoning behind that. I thought he was generally being suspicious. Turns out he was a Mob.
Day 3 - I originally voted for Grax, as I don't trust him at the moment, I also thought that since Shiftey was a mob but he already had the majority vote it didn't matter. However, after explaining that to Hugman he said it was suspicious that I didn't vote for Shiftey even tho I thought he was a mob. So then I changed my vote.
Day 4 - Voted Grax for the same reason as on day 3
My current view of the game currently is quite mixed, having no one killed last night hasn't given me a lot to go on. Throughout this game I have only mentioned names who I thought were suspicious, unlike what Rucious said where I only accused someone to cover my ass. I have no idea where he got that from.
As the number of villagers decreases it is easier for the mob to swing the votes one way. All I can say is choose carefully as we already lynched one villager.
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Tyler thinks shankski and me are the mobsters.
We have voted against eachother and shanski voted for me quite early even.
I worked hard to get TTaM lynched.
I changed my vote from shiftey because I concluded that his retardedness just didnt fit the profile of a mafioso and after a long pm conversation on IRC.
I changed vote to arches I think arches was acting very suspicious, atm. though I am quite sure he must be ninja or tracker (both can track).
I changed back to shiftey to insure a majority wasnt formed against me because I dont like to lose and no1 can survive a lynching.
My people should speak up "tactic". Was in part a sign of my frustration, we just killed a villager and we have a few people that actually gained new knowledge during the night. I would like some way to gain som insight in to what they learned.
Arches said that he tracked me and that I stayed home and Vorte said that you appeared green upon investigation.
that Arches would claim such a thing confirmed to me that he had the ability to track ergo. being a ninja or the tracker. Hence it would not be worth the risk killing him now.
Tyler, you have been cursed by Shiftey's execution, what should we do next?
Rucious: I am going to follow Vorte. Both Shanks and Grax are good targets imo. It is up to you which you chose. No one is going to blame you either way.
Grax has been pointing the finger at Arches a bit, but hasn't come up with many other theories. He has been after Arches all game. He altered to Arches from Shiftey even when he was acting crazy. Then went back again "to not get the the cross hairs". That did not sound like villager reasoning. The problem is Arches has been acting suspicious all game, however if he is a tracker he is also the best target for the godfather.
That and the new "the doctor should declare" tack is odd. I mean the doc is important against both mob and the ninja(s). Why would anyone want him to declare.
I also think Shank is probably ninja or mob though, even though Grax has voted for him. Shanks has not posted as much as others so is always a good target. Shank you need to maybe explain some of your previous decisions. Then go on to provide an overview of the current game state if you want more people to belive you.
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Sorry I had misunderstood the rules. Ninjas can investigate not track.
I guess that clears arches.
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Grax you seem quite annoyed that we are voting for your choice to get lynched.
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what?
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At the time of my post in the voting thread the votes were against me, and people were talking about them suspecting me in this thread.
Only thing that scares me now is that we should have 2 mafia and atleast 1 ninja trying to kill a villager.
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As a last ditch effort before voting closes I urge you guys that voted for me to reconsider your votes. Look at any evidence you have gathered, look at people who have voted for me and compare it with your thoughts about them.
I am a villager, killing 2 townies in 2 lynches will be very bad for the town.
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Apparently the peaceful night was not enough to convince the villagers of Edgeville that their lives where no longer in danger.
But this time, they wouldn't repeat the terrible things Shiftey had to endure. The bloodlust and frenzy surrounding last night's execution was gone, and in a reasonably orderly manner, the village led the condemned in front of a firing squad.
(http://www.logoi.com/pastimages/img/firing_squad_2.jpg)
Shanski's last words weren't those of hatred or anger, but of compassion with the misled folks executing him.
As the smoke cleared after the round of bullets, it became clear...
Shankski the Villager has died an honourable death!
It is now night. It will end 18:00 CEST Sunday.
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Another sunrise, another day, another opportunity to fight the forces of evil in Edgeville.
... Another murder.
(http://mail.is/palmar/cnguy.jpg)
As the villagers head to the town square, where they've spent the last days killing innocents, the atmosphere is quiet and there's an aura of fear around the townsfolk. Are they losing this town to the Mafia?
Rucious the Doctor has been murdered!
It is now Day 5, sunset will happen 23:59 on Monday evening.
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Damn it doctor down.
Well I was mistaken about shanski as were the rest of you(not the ninjas and mobsters).
Im at square one pretty much.
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Sigh... well I hope Vorte got some good info for us now or we have another doc
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Well that fucking sucks, I was pretty sure Rucious was the doc - meeeeeeeh.
I investigated the one I thought was the godfather, Graxlos, and he did pop up as a villager - which sort of only strengthens my suspicion.. interested in what arches and others tracked and etc last night!
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I have everyone against me at this point, so Im not gonna spend all night and all day tomorrow trying to survive like Shiftey.
But when Im dead and you see my role I urge you to think about Kawe who claims to be a veteran. Since I will not be allowed to post when im dead.
He could just as well be a ninja.
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So with 7 left alive we are probably down to 4 villagers, 2 mob and 1 ninja
So here is my trust order (I'm still going to vote as Vorte does, as I am sure a case for me being a ninja could be made.)
Vorte: Claimed cop early. No one else has said they are cop. Even if there are no cops it would have been a brave call to bluff that early.
Hugman: If he has been acting all this time, fair play, gg etc.
Kawe: Same as Hug.
Arches: Random play style, throws our random accusations at Vorte. I trusted him cos vorte did. My best current guess for ninja.
Nach: Low post count. Interesting voting record. I could imagine him being a mob who has lied well.
Grax: Actually gets annoyed when people think he is mob. Was keen to find doc, then had a realisation on IRC the Rucious was the doc. Rucious now dead after Grax said "and I'm the king of China" to Rucious' denial in IRC that he was the doc...
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I actually thought Grax was the doc.
Very very sure that Vorte is cop and arches is a horrible tracker.
Tyler or Grax are Ninjas and one of them is cooperating with Hugman, is what I think.
I can write a way more elaborate post about this later, but with moving, jobhunting and being back home in town I'm silly busy.
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My list is:
Myself, Tyler, Kawe and Vorte = Town
Graxlos = Mafiaboss , Nach = hoebag
Hugman = Ninja
Reason I think that Hugman is the ninja is because I can't really see anyone being foolish enough to listen to Delling and kill a mafia that early in the game :p
Right now it's pretty much a win or lose situation, if we lynch another townie we're screwed.
So the win scenario:
Lynch Grax who's the Mafiaboss. Nach (who I have been banging on a regular basis) get's me with my pants down during the night.
Next day you lynch Nachmanun and Hugman kills a random townie during the night.
Final day the two remaning townies lynch Hugman.
The lose scenario
Lynch Grax who's the Mafiaboss. Nach (who I have been banging on a regular basis) get's me with my pants down during the night AND Hugman kills vorte.
The next day it's a stalemate on the vote, 2 townies vs nach and Hugman. Nach kills a townie and then Hugman, who wasted his kill.
The "12 inch cock" scenario
Graxlos is a Townie and we are royally screwed
So if I'm right, Hugman get's to decide who wins :p
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Errr, how many game-days have I been aware that you + Vorte are confirmed blues?
Isn't it a bit strange that you're both alive at this point, assuming I'm a mafia?
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Oh I think you've been gunning for Vorte, but he was protected by the Doc. So you started circling around to find the Doc while having me banking you on a regular basis
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19:37 < Graxlos> hmm do we have anything to properly confirm arches as a
tracker?
19:37 < Graxlos> we know that ino was a tracker
19:38 < NachBjrrn> If I was a mobster I wouldn't be whoring you, you and Vorte
would be long dead.
19:38 < Archeslaptop> Why not just block the tracker and gun for the cop
19:38 < NachBjrrn> ...but Vorte is still alive and I know he's a cop, I even
knew before he stated it officially in the thread
19:38 < Graxlos> If arches is the godfather what has he tracked that really
confirms him
19:38 < Graxlos> he knows that im blue so he knows that i didnt leave my home
19:38 < Graxlos> he can always claim to be whored since he is in league with
the whore
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I just realised something, we don't actually know if there are any whores in this game..
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So.
I have been very quiet the last day.
This has mainly been, because of how wrong I was with Shiftey.
I decided to not do a lot of posting yesterday, as basically, after the Shifteygate revelation, I totally lost all clue about who was what.
I Hoped to get some data, by waiting util the last momment to to post, and carefully watching who posted what.
Didn't really give me much, and now we have lost a 2nd villager!!!!
This cannot continue.
So, time to up our game people, throw some theories about.
I will start with this (feel free to point out stuff you think I have gotten wrong, or miscounted):
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16 people at the start.
known dead:
Blue:
Delling (Vigilate)
Ino (Tracker)
Rucious (Doc)
Green:
Ezzardo (Villager)
Shiftey (Villager)
Shankski (Villager)
Red:
Kesh (Mobster)
Grish (Mobster)
Cwave (Mob Framer)
7 People remaining.
"Claimed Roles"
Arches (Tracker)
Vorte (Cop)
Kawe (Vet)
I am assuming (I may be wrong) there are at least 2 ninjas.
!?!? (Ninja)
!?!? (Ninja)
I know I am a Villager (At this point, unless there is another villager left, which is possible, I am the miller.)
Hugman (Villager)
That leaves 2 mob left:
!?!? (Godfather)
!?!? (Whore)
Now if this is basically right, we would have had at the start:
4 Greens:
4 Villagers
6 Blues:
1 Cop
1 Doc
1 Vet
1 Vig
2 Trackers
Red:
2 Mobsters
1 Whore
1 Framer
1 Godfather
2Grey:
2 Ninjas.
Total: 17
If everyone is who they say they are, it adds up to 17 people. Clearly that is wrong. There is one mobster, claiming to be blue.
The main thing i think is wrong with this picture, is the 2 trackers.
There could also be only 1 ninja, in which case, I am the last green, and also the miller. Personally, I feel Palmar would have put 2 ninjas in the game (But, you know we are
told not to try and read him).
So, In my view, the starting line up was either this:
Senario 1:
5 Greens:
5 Villagers (One of which is the miller).
5 Blues:
1 Cop
1 Doc
1 Vet
1 Vig
1 Tracker
5 Reds:
2 Mobsters
1 Whore
1 Framer
1 Godfather
1 Grey:
1 Ninja
TOTAL: 16
Or the starting line up was this:
Senario 2:
4 Greens:
4 Villagers (1 who is the miller)
5 Blues:
1 Cop
1 Doc
1 Vet
1 Vig
1 Tracker
5 Reds:
2 Mobsters
1 Whore
1 Framer
1 Godfather
2 Greys:
2 Ninjas
TOTAL: 16
If Scenario 1 is true, there is 2 villagers left, one is me; and either myself or the other one, is the miller. If Scenario 2 is true, I am the last green, and also the miller.
Either way, I very very very much doubt there was 2 trackers at the beginning. Of all the claimed remaining blues, Arches is the weak link.
This means Arches has been lying, for quite some time. Also, He has be "exposed" as a blue, for basically 4 (maybe even five) nights, and has yet to be mob killed. He was quite strongly defended by Kesh, on day 2. His posts very few and far between, especially for a
supposed "blue", who should be feeding us data each morning. I have yet to see his "tracker data", and have to somehow get it from others, while if he was a "blue, and working for the town to win, he would be posting it as soon as he could.
Basically Arches is lying.
Deciding if you think thats because he is Mob or ninja, is up to you.
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The thing you're not accounting for is that we simply don't know if there are all roles represented in this game. There could be no whore, there could be 4 trackers, whatever, you catch my drift.
Imma let this wall sink in before I give my thoughts on it!
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The thing you're not accounting for is that we simply don't know if there are all roles represented in this game. There could be no whore, there could be 4 trackers, whatever, you catch my drift.
Imma let this wall sink in before I give my thoughts on it!
Yeah, It is totally possible that Palmar listed the whore and miller, but didn't actually put them in the game. However, personally I feel that If he listed those roles, he would have included them, otherwise, it gives an edge to the Mafia straight off the bat, If we are looking for roles that don't actually exist in the game.
Also Arches (Keeping in mind, how much I trust Arches right now), has openly claimed "as the tracker, he has be cock blocked, by the whore". Personally, I think he either is the whore, or the Godfather.
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2 ninjas is a big assumption. There could be 1 or maybe even 0...
I decided it would not have been very fair to the village when I looked at the chance of us winning if there were 2 ninjas. If there are we cannot expect to get a majority to lynch, so it is probably just best to act as if there is one.
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Pretty good post Hug for sure, and while I'll give it some more detailed thought later on, I think it's reasonable at least, though assuming as many as four villagers and two ninjas, I'm not sure what our reasoning is for that, and it's like you say, kinda relying on reading Palmar.
Regarding unused roles, I'm kinda sharing your opinion on this. I think it's possible but really unlikely; I would eat my own hat if we didn't have a cop at least, that would completely screw the game. A game with no hookers..? Not gamebreaking but pretty fringe chance. No ninjas is something more believable since I guess it wouldn't affect most of the game, but given that we had that night with two mafia kills, and only one identified vigilante I'm really strongly leaning towards there being one, maybe two.
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Pretty good post Hug for sure, and while I'll give it some more detailed thought later on, I think it's reasonable at least, though assuming as many as four villagers
Well, I am sure there is at least four villagers, as 3 are dead, and I know I am one (obviously you cannot be certain yourself, but I can).
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Anyway, there are many different Senarios how it could be, but I am trying to get some common flaw in the current "claimed" roles.
The main thing, seems imo to be 2 trackers.
Arches, If you are innocent, you should list, since night 1 onwards, who you tracked, what was the result.
You should have been doing this anyway, if you are the tracker, since it gives the town data, to work with. Plus there isn't any downside, as you have been "exposed for several days, and not been killed... The fact that you haven't been, is bloody suspicious.
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I still can't see much further that Grax being mob. As he even asked Vorte to investigate him I think it is likley he is the godfather. Me and hug as the final 2 villagers would make 5 total at the start.
Note that as it is probable the ninja has used one kill already he has to save his last one for later in the game if he wants to win. He has to use it on the night when there are only 3 players left.
I either Arches or Hug could be a ninja (maybe niether), but I dont really care about ninjas. It is 4-3 village to non village atm. If we get a mob lynch it will be 4-2. The last mob will kill a villager to make it 3-2 next day. Then we will be set for some fun...
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Hmm i see you have voted for Arches hug. Why move from Grax? Do you think it more likley that Arches and Nach are the last 2 mobsters?
It is possible they tried to kill Arches the other night, but he survived with his ninja skills. I also accept he is possible mob, but Grax appears far more probable. I can also see it as possible that Arches could convince Vorte that he is a villager when in fact he is a ninja. It would be harder to do if he was in fact mob. The tracker thing is also good cover for a ninja as, even though he can investigate instead of track, it would allow him to incriminate someone with his knowlegde.
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You shouldn't be supprised if you see Graxlos, Nachmanun and Hugman using their three votes on me, Tyler :p
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You shouldn't be supprised if you see Graxlos, Nachmanun and Hugman using their three votes on me, Tyler :p
Interesting Arches.
Once again, no actual useful data posted by you. Still no posting of your "so called tracker's data", and just you attempting to throw attention on to, we can only assume, your three (?) mob suspects?
The point is this people, do you think that there was 2 trackers at the start. And if you do, why hasn't Arch been posting his data??? Why has he been so quiet, even thought, he would lose nothing by speaking up, as we all ready "know" he is the "tracker"? It has been common knowledge since day 2, and yet he remains quiet and unhelpful to the town as ever.
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Just to answer you question Tyler:
After Shiftey was proven a green, my whole idea of who was what fell apart. One of the main reasons I felt Gaieos could be mob, was that he switched to defending Shiftey, but obviously that is only suspicious, If I "knew" that Shiftey was mob (which at the time, I felt very very sure, that Shiftey was mob). After it was proven he wasn't, my main theory against Gaieos, fell apart.
When it came to voting last night, I literally had nothing to go on, on which of the two was more likely to be mob. I went with Gaieos, because at that time Shankski already have 5 votes to Gaieos's 3, and I felt that there are 2 ninjas and 2 mob in the game, so it was likely that they were somewhat working together to get a villager killed (which it turned out they were), and wanted to give Shankski a chance of not being hanged, incase the non-townies were working together to get another villager killed.
As it stands, I have gone back to the blackboard to start anew, and Gaieos seems just as likely to be mob, as say, Nach, Kawe, or frankly anyone at this point (the shiftey thing has really thrown me). At this point I don't really trust anyone, even you.
So, in order to get some more data, I started working out how it could be.
And since Arches seems to still, even 3 days later, not want to post, or do something, anything! to help the town get a proper mob kill; he is the number one suspect. If he is a blue, then he is helping the mob, more than he is helping the town, which is retarded.
What has Arches actually done this game, apart from place his own vote?
He is supposedly a blue for fucks sake! And yet no "oh ok guys, this is what I have learned as a tracker, lets work to getting a kill".
He hasn't done shit. If he was a blue and hadn't been revealed yet, and was worried about being targeted and killed, that would be somewhat logical. That is what rucious did, and he did his job very well it seems. But Arches we have known about for 4 days now, and yet he still hasn't contributed.
That is fucked up. And unless you can show me something that gives a reason for his actions, or clearly prove another is more likely to be mob; I am keeping my vote on him, until the hanging.
In my opinion, the non-townies now outnumber the townies. Either we force people to stand up and be counted, or we lose.
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Oh don't worry Hugman, I've been letting people know what little I have found. Just not you!
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Oh don't worry Hugman, I've been letting people know what little I have found. Just not you!
Oh ok.
So basically, rather than post your data openly, on the forums, which is beneficial to the whole town, even if you get whacked, as we can refer back to it; you have been what? Pming people individually? Telling people one at a time?
You know who else went around "spreading data" in pms "for fear the mob finds out"? Kesh.
And look how that turned out.
No, as a "blue" who has be outed, for quite some time down, it is in your best interests to be as open and clear about what you know as possible. The whole "ill let them know via pms" is a mob tactic. It allows you spread falsehoods around, while not leaving enough data, for people to refer to later. For instance, say you tell kawe, and lets say Nach, via pm, that you found out that I left my house, "because you are a tracker". Lets say then I get enough votes to get killed, but I turn up green. Then, you get the mob to wack kawe in the night, and then next day accuse Nach. Now, Nach knows you are mob, but now has nothing to prove it with, as it was "all done via pms" and nothing was said on the forums, and you have a decent chance of getting Nach killed too.
And while we are on the subject of kills, what the fuck happened with Shankski???
Seriously, If you get accused, and there is a chance you could get lynched, you don't just sit back and take it!
YOU FUCKING SCREAM YOUR INNOCENCE TO HIGH HEAVEN ON THE FORUMS!
To do otherwise, is to help the mob win.
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How can you not trust Tyler at this point? He can only be villager or ninja, and he's openly stated that he'll be following Vorte's vote - vorte being pretty much certainly a cop, if he's a fake we have some full-retard actual cop who hasn't said anything or we have no cop at all, both pretty damn unlikely - which kinda reaffirms that Tyler has the village's interests in mind. If he is a ninja then he is playing one insane game.
And yeah, Arches is defnitely starting to come under the spotlight a bit and not particularly well defending himself. On the other hand, after not pressing for a grax vote and kinda accepting the shanks thing and regretting the results of that, and previously not pushing for a ttam vote on day 1 then regretting that too, maybe I should actually stick up for my vote a bit more, so here goes.
Grax has done weird shit from the word go, a sample of which would include; claiming to be a doc right at the start, then saying it was some kind of joke, repeatedly saying the doc/vets/vigis should reveal themselves, getting annoyed when we actually agree with his vote, and now today with odd logic pointing the finger at me in irc telling me I'm 'likely' to be a ninja on the basis ninjas have two lives as well as veterans. I'm sure I don't need to point out the presentation of 'leap-of-faith' as though it's solid logic.
It's this running theme I keep seeing pop up in Grax's stuff in IRC along with general peculiar behaviour, like saying to vorte to investigate him as though it would be useful - and sadly vorte seems to have been suckered into this on what, with no doctor left, was probably his last chance to help us out - that has formed my suspicions of him. If these turn out to be misplaced, then I am gonna cry because that means we'll have had two townies who are just batshit crazy. I'd much prefer to work on the basis of Shiftey being an exception.
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YOU FUCKING SCREAM YOUR INNOCENCE TO HIGH HEAVEN ON THE FORUMS!
He he yeah because that worked!
Just keep it coming. If I go out and say who I tracked every time, the mafia could get a clearer picture of where I were going, and just send out their people accordingly.
As for the defending part, I don't really see the point. Nothing I say should affect your vote too much, if so then you're being silly. I could be lying my teeth of. And don't get me started on the whole "I know I'm a townie" crap, that carry so little weight I laugh every time I read it.
As for me being mafia, why would I be so against lynching Shankski? I would've jumped on that wagon from the start, blaming the others for being so enthusiastic about it.
The ninja part is unfortunate, where I am more likely to be a ninja than Hugman, since me claiming to be a tracker puts us at 6 blues and 4 green no? (bear in mind that Palmar said he should balance it better next time, but I shouldn't be using that as a argument).
You need to ask yourself, who is more likely to have fallen for Dellings trickery and wasted a kill on a mafia the second night?
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Just to be clear Kawe, as I have stated before:
I am 100% sure Tyler isn't a mob.
I was, 80% sure that Tyler was green.
Now however, with 3 greens already out, and myself being a fourth, while the town approaching the last half dozen people, I get more and more concerned, that he could be a ninja, as we are running out of people to be blues and greens. We can't all be greens, obviously. Tyler's actions from the start, have been towards helping the town win, but i worry that if he is a ninja, now is the time for him to be manipulating us. Who knows, I could be totally wrong on my estimation on how many greens left, and there could be 2-3 left.
Anyway, I would rather focus on getting a Mob lynch on someone I feel has been fucking suspicious/useless from the get go, rather than worrying about a person who has been helping the town win, who has a low chance of being a ninja.
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Yeah, but I thought I addressed why I think he's pretty much proven how he's not even really potential ninja material given his voting stance?
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YOU FUCKING SCREAM YOUR INNOCENCE TO HIGH HEAVEN ON THE FORUMS!
He he yeah because that worked!
Just keep it coming. If I go out and say who I tracked every time, the mafia could get a clearer picture of where I were going, and just send out their people accordingly.
As for the defending part, I don't really see the point. Nothing I say should affect your vote too much, if so then you're being silly. I could be lying my teeth of. And don't get me started on the whole "I know I'm a townie" crap, that carry so little weight I laugh every time I read it.
As for me being mafia, why would I be so against lynching Shankski? I would've jumped on that wagon from the start, blaming the others for being so enthusiastic about it.
The ninja part is unfortunate, where I am more likely to be a ninja than Hugman, since me claiming to be a tracker puts us at 6 blues and 4 green no? (bear in mind that Palmar said he should balance it better next time, but I shouldn't be using that as a argument).
You need to ask yourself, who is more likely to have fallen for Dellings trickery and wasted a kill on a mafia the second night?
Sigh.
Vorte screamed to High Heaven, and we saved him, Shiftey did, but did it in the wrong way, and died. Shankski just sat there and died.
Using the argument "oh I am still no openly telling you my tracker data, because the mob may work out a pattern and kill me", IS FUCKING RETARDED. The cop is still alive, the doc just died, who do you think will die next? They only have 1 kill, dumbass. That is pretty fucking flimsy reasoning. Also, had we had this "so called tracker data", THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE WE COULD HAVE WON FOR THE TOWN ALREADY!
No, I cry bullshit on Arches. By the time he finishes his grand subterfuge, the town will be broken and his data useless.
Secondly, THAT IS YOUR ARGUMENT!?! That I am the ninja because you feel am the most likely candidate for Dell to convince for someone to use his ninja kill? Based on what? I know Dell? Good god man. Put yourself in the mind of a ninja. He wins if he is the last alive. At the point Dell got his kill there was still 4 mobsters, and 2 kills a night. It wouldn't be hard for Dell convince him that it was in his best interests to not get all the townies killed off, as all the mob need is a majority to win. Even someone as inbred as you could see that.
How the rest of you guys cannot see Arches' logic as utter bum fluff, I don't know.
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I have to admit, your latest posts are posts like the ones tyler made that made me suspicious of him in the first place, Hug..(My, that sentence was bad)
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I am suspicious of Arches but the fact that Hugman also finds him suspicious ruins my suspicion since hugman would be my prime candidate for the other mafioso.
He could be trying to confuse us now that it seems fairly certain that I am going down, but I just dont know anymore.
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A good thing to remember is that at 6-6 on the second day both Arches and Hugman changed vote to get and the 8 votes needed to lynch TTaM.
This is the main reason that I think niether are mob, and mob scum are the villagers prime target. We need to kill 2 more and we will win, no matter what the ninja does.
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Then all I have left are Nach and Kawe. Kawe could be playing veteran to make us think there was an extra kill performed. Noone could really claim to know that he wasnt attacked.
We have had too little focus on Nach I dont know enough about him.
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On day one tyler,Cwave,grish and Nach voted for hugman. Hard to conclude anything since it was quite clear that the vote wasnt even close to a lynch.
Day two: We had hugman and Arches make the two last votes to lynch TTaM.
Grish voted Vorte. Nach voted Shiftey, Cwave voted Vorte, Kawe voted Vorte, TTam voted Vorte.
Day three and four:Hard to tell much since everyone voted for the wrong guys :P
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We have had too little focus on Nach I dont know enough about him.
There's really not much to know. I don't have any special powers, I'm not in a proper collusion with anyone and I've voted poorly.
What I think is wierd however is why Tyler and Hugman are so buddy-buddy? I mean, I trust Vorte that he's a blue, but only to the point of 55% or so (which, btw, is alot in this game) - but Hugman and Tyler seem to be in utmost belief of eachother, so either you two are sharing some history (in a non homolust sense) or you two know something the rest of us don't.
I have very little data to derive anything from, all I have is speculation on things and quite frankly, I'm not even that sure of my powers of deduction anymore.
Either way; List time I guess.
Graxlos; has acted wonky on and off, but at the moment I don't heavily suspect him per se. Still uncertain about the Doc thing in the beginning.
Vorte; Pretty much my main dog when it comes to trust, claimed early to be a cop and has shipped out data since. Slight chance he might be ninja (since he has the power of a cop) but I'd like to think he's a nonthreat as for now.
Arches; Wonky. There is something odd about how he plays his tracker role, even to the point of accusing me for whoring him since I knew of his role early - even though it makes no sense as I'd long kill both Vorte and Arches, should that have been the case.
Tyler; The very close trust Tyler has to hugman throws me off alot. It seems like a collusion of some kind, I just can't really tell at this point if it's a collusion of good will or malice.
Hugman; Could very well be mobster to me, he's actually one of the top contenders in my book. Has argued alot with Graxlos, could be an act between the 2. Doubt it'd be outside their range of strategies.
Kawe; Haven't really seen much of him, but not to the point of suspicion. Says he's a vet who got killed the same night Dell was killed, where there only was 1 death, fair enough.
My 3 scenarios are about the same as you other guys and at this point I don't really have much more speculation to add either.
All I can really say to proof innocence is that if I were a mob I'd play an entirely different game, especially since I've known Vorte was a cop for a while, also fully aware that Delling had an agenda (enough to suspect him as ninja/vig atleast) and also, assuming Tyler is a villager, he'd aswell be long dead.
I'm confused by the Mobsters, why they did not claim the lives of the loudmouths first, first night they got Ezzardo, who had barely said nothing, and Ino. Perhaps they, like the villagers (apart from the miracle night!) just played it a bit bad since it's a first game?
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I think it makes good sense for the mafia to kill the silent villagers since that is a good indication that they are blue.
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Dunno, I'd work my way through the ones I think would be a real threat towards the mob as villagers first, the ones who are good at games like these. In clear text, Tyler and Delling would be long dead as I'd see them as my main threats. God knows that Tyler has been doing a good villager job, but he's also alive currently, which is makes me suspect that it's a very wellplayed role.
I guess you can conclude it such as that from my pov, the reason I'm suspecting Tyler and Hugman is basically because they've been making alot of noise as open threats (towards both Cwave and TTaM) yet they're still alive. Vorte is also still alive even though he's a cop.
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I still think tyler is a ninja
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As things stand, the only two people I have absolute, or close to absolute trust in are Tyler and Vorte, for the reasons I explained in my previous post. Far and away the most suspicious in my eyes, and who we should have lynched yesterday, is Grax. Who his crony is I'm less sure on, but have ideas. On the off-chance that Grax is just crazy/bad then I'll be forced to rethink, but until then I'm gonna stick to my thinking so far.
This is nearly an aside, but my reasoning that voteswitching to kesh doesn't exhonerate hug and arches in my eyes is that kesh was basically screaming he was a mobster at that point anyway, to have denied it would've been crazy, though to be fair had I been awake I probably would've voteswitched if I thought we wouldn't have gotten a lynch.
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I think my friend that it is you that is bad. For suspecting me, in case you are not just trying to change the opinion in your favour.
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Right, so far I've explained pretty clearly what made me suspect you, and why, and you just keep in return just pointing a finger or now with little more than "no u"...
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Changing at 6-6 doesn't exonerate Hug and Arches for sure. But it does look much better than Nach who didn't switch and Grax who was the second to vote for Kesh after Vorte. Following Vorte's vote at that stage of the game would have been a smart move for the Godfather imo.
Nach and Grax don't really seem to have a good consistent theory of who is what. Nach thinks me and hug are in cahoots but has not voted for either of us yet. Grax looks like he is trying to look confused to me.
I think the reason me and Arches still live is because we looked like good targets to frame and/or the mob thought we were ninjas so didn't want to waste a hit.
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Grax has done weird shit from the word go, a sample of which would include; claiming to be a doc right at the start, then saying it was some kind of joke, repeatedly saying the doc/vets/vigis should reveal themselves, getting annoyed when we actually agree with his vote, and now today with odd logic pointing the finger at me in irc telling me I'm 'likely' to be a ninja on the basis ninjas have two lives as well as veterans. I'm sure I don't need to point out the presentation of 'leap-of-faith' as though it's solid logic.
Claiming to be a doc was one hour or so in to the game and was never meant to be taking seriously. But you and tyler loves to cling to it. Tyler went so far in his attempts to make me seem suspicious that he called me writing on irc suspicious.
I never said the doc vet or vigilante should reveal themselves, I asked them to share their information with us. Since we were so utterly clueless voting between two innocent people two times in a row.
I dont see how it is suspicious pointing a finger at you since I am indeed veteran, your claims of this making me suspicious, should make you look incredibly suspicious once I have been lynched tonight.
I have before answered to these useless accusations and I think you are the one using bad/false accusations against me, not me saying "no u".
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better than Nach who didn't switch
I think I've explained this 3 times thus far in the thread, I didn't change vote before there was a majority because I actually didn't consider TTaM to be a mobster, just a poor villager, then when we already had majority I didn't switch because a switch when there's already a majority seems very suspicious (like how CWAVE [who was a mobster] did).
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I openly declared that I would switch my vote should the majority disperse, but I wasn't gonna switch when there was already a majority because it'd look suspicious.
My suspicions haven't been consistent, thus my theories are a bit off. I'm not gonna try to hide the fact that I have voted poorly, but I've not voted maliciously.
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*Gives Grax, Nach and Hugman some more rope*
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Also Kawe claiming to falsely be the veteran is quite clever since the only way he could be proven wrong is for the veteran to expose himself, which makes the veteran useless...
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*Gives Grax, Nach and Hugman some more rope*
I wouldn't post like that if I were as suspected as you, good sir. Don't forget that you're one of the most suspicious people, claiming to be a tracker yet have very little actual tracking done.
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You're just afraid I'll tell everyone that you cry after orgasm!
Wops!
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Since this will be my last post in this thread Im gonna say gg to the ninjas and mafia. We did our best.
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(http://www.hrwiki.org/w/images/thumb/d/d0/Strong_Sad_Violin.PNG/210px-Strong_Sad_Violin.PNG)
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It is quite weird that I have a ninja and another mafia on my side. Yet noone is standing up for me.
gl hf.
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19:09 < kawe> Grax you really should just not make these "this is my last post"
posts when you're never gonna stick to them
19:11 < Shiftey> is there really only 7 people left?
19:11 < Graxlos> thats why its good that im dying kawe
19:11 < Graxlos> I cant stop posting
19:12 < Graxlos> yes shiftey and tomorrow its 2 mafia 1 ninja vs 2 villagers
19:13 < Graxlos> but does it make sense to you kawe
19:13 < Shiftey> holy shit :D
19:13 < Graxlos> that 3 out of 7 wants me alive
19:13 < Graxlos> and none of the two others come to assist me
19:13 <+^Irony^> [TS] * Joins: Tronz
19:13 < kawe> who wants you alive? nobody has said that to me
19:13 < Graxlos> if Im mafia...
19:14 < Graxlos> then the other mafia and the ninja wants me alive
19:14 < Graxlos> nobody said that to you indeed
19:14 <+^Irony^> [TS] * Joins: Blackwhale
19:14 < Graxlos> that is where the logic fails
19:14 < Graxlos> would the other two just choose to lose as well
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Just discussed another scenario with vorte.
It is possible for the framer to frame the godfather. So my theory about Tyler might be quite wrong. He knew he was getting investigated by vorte and could have asked cwave being mafia buddies to frame him. Then the next night he asks vorte to investigate him again and he pops up as green.
Tyler was sure about shiftey being mafia, then he was sure about shankski and me being mafia together. Now he is sure about me being mafia. When he is sure and wrong three times in a row I hope you will start seriously suspecting him
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Fuck it, gut says Hugman.
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Just wanted to post you the first 70 minutes of the game on irc. Where I started my trip down the drain. I was clearly trying to make you think that I was the doctor so you wouldnt see that I was mafia.
Sorry about the text wall:
01:05 <+^Irony^> [Forum] New Reply to: Mafia - The story of Edgeville - Town Square - http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6113.msg98714#msg98714
01:06 < palmarg> I'm off for a while, any questions about rules go to the signup thread/PM's
01:06 < Shiftey> nice change on the ninja role btw
01:06 < palmarg> good luck, and try not to lynch your friends :P
01:06 <+^Irony^> [Forum] New Reply to: Mafia - The story of Edgeville - Town Square - http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6113.msg98715#msg98715
01:07 < graxlos> we just started
01:07 < graxlos> and I already suggested two for lynching
01:07 < graxlos> Im sure im gonna get lynched
01:07 < Shiftey> I am already making a mental list
01:07 <+^Irony^> [TS] * Quits: Shiftey (leaving)
01:08 < graxlos> Im sure it was shiftey with the chandelier in the wintergarden
01:08 -!- delling [mrseb@rbii-valhalla.mrseb.co.uk] has joined #iron-edge
01:08 <+^Irony^> [Forum] New Reply to: Mafia - The story of Edgeville - Town Square - http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6113.msg98716#msg98716
01:08 < Shiftey> ho ho ho, there are no fingerprints!
01:08 < Shiftey> or dna
01:09 < graxlos> I wonder if we should just make the games 24 hours pr. day
01:09 < kawe> no
01:09 < Shiftey> I am guessing who is godfather though
01:09 < graxlos> two days of suspense is gonna suck
01:09 < Shiftey> it's not delling
01:09 < kawe> I'm going out on sunday maybe so
01:09 < Shiftey> palmar wouldnt give it to delling, too obvious
01:09 < kawe> would be nice to not have to worry about time window
01:09 < graxlos> for 24 hours?
01:09 < kawe> quite possibly
01:09 < Shiftey> but he needs some manipulative son of a bitch like Cwave!!!!
01:09 < palmarg> shiftey
01:09 < graxlos> bring your phone :)
01:09 < palmarg> the roles are random
01:09 < kawe> I go out to edinburgh -> can be out that long easily
01:09 < palmarg> (or mostly)
01:10 < Shiftey> ah ha!
01:10 < palmarg> don't try to read me, cause you will fail
01:10 < graxlos> Im the doctor
01:10 < graxlos> true story
01:10 < graxlos> we should have starcraft names tbh
01:10 < Shiftey> I am a marine
01:11 < kawe> That would make me toastcleaner
01:11 < kawe> oh, for the roles
01:11 <+^Irony^> [Forum] New Reply to: Mafia - The story of Edgeville - Town Square - http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6113.msg98718#msg98718
01:11 < graxlos> medic for doctor
01:11 < graxlos> what should mafioso be
01:11 < graxlos> whats that evil terran guy caleld
01:12 < kawe> mengsk
01:12 < kawe> spelling not sure on
01:12 < kawe> arcturus mengsk
01:12 < kawe> and he rules the confederacy
01:12 < kawe> iirc
01:12 < graxlos> yeah
01:12 < graxlos> he should clearly be the mafioso
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Darkness Falls!
As the sun set the town once more decided to execute one of their own. Graxlos would pay for his crimes against Edgeville.
As the mob broke open the front door to Graxlos's house he didn't resist. Graxlos knew what was coming and had accepted his fate.
The crowd tied the unfortunate Graxlos to a horse, dragging him along the dusty road towards the town's main square. His clothes torn and his flesh wounded, the executioner fastened the noose around Graxlos's neck. He would be hanged until near death, only to be released, emasculated, disemboweled and finally beheaded and quartered.
But Graxlos kept his wits about him, a veteran of many wars he would not go down without his honour. As the executioner readied the hanging, he leapt off the gallows and his neck broke instantly.
Graxlos had spared himself a long and drawn out painful death, by cheating the Executioner.
(http://exequy.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/hung-drawn-quartered.jpg)
Nevertheless, the Executioner carried out the quartering, but complete silence struck the town as the blood ran down...
This blood wasn't that of a dishonest, evil, murderer. This was the blood of an innocent man.
Graxlos the Veteran has died a bloody death
It is now night. Day 6 will begin 18:00 CEST on Tuesday
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Officer down, Officer down...
Somone cried from a dark alley where Vorte's body had been found in the morning. He had taken several shots to the back and left to die.
Slowly a crowd gathered around the murder scene. Someone stepped forward to turn the body around.
Something metal fell from the officers body, his star-shaped badge.
Vorte was heaved up by his townsfolk, and the crowd began to disperse. Someone bent down and picked up the officer's badge, but he cut himself on it's sharp edge.
This was no officer's badge...
(http://www.hanguppictures.com/Images/Large/Dolk-Officer-down-large.jpg)
Vorte the Ninja has been Murdered
It is now Day 6, night will fall 23:59 on Wednesday
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So we really didn't have a cop xD
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I gotta say I am loving this game. It's good to have a nice healthy dose of humility every now and again. I'm warning ya'll now there is an incoming wall of text.
We are 3-2 non-mafia - mafia. If there is another ninja we villager don't care, all non-mafia have to lynch a mobster. Just remember: posting good (unless it's incoherent), not posting bad! I am recomeneding everyone puts this on a post-it on their monitor next round. I know I will.
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First Vorte:
He got me good I admit. I didn't think he would be stupid enough to declare as cop day 2 if he was a ninja. Veteran maybe, not cop. There is no way he knew there was no cop in the game. The main point is though that declaring cop makes you prime mafia target number one.
Second Grax:
Facepalm. So as a vet, suspected for 3 rounds, he kept quiet. It even looked like he wanted to doc to declare before him. The main reason I suspected him was the attempt to get me to switch from TTaM to Vorte at 6-6.
He also gave up with his x,y,z are village a,b are mob posts. Which is a shame.
This
Grax has done weird shit from the word go, a sample of which would include; claiming to be a doc right at the start, then saying it was some kind of joke, repeatedly saying the doc/vets/vigis should reveal themselves, getting annoyed when we actually agree with his vote, and now today with odd logic pointing the finger at me in irc telling me I'm 'likely' to be a ninja on the basis ninjas have two lives as well as veterans. I'm sure I don't need to point out the presentation of 'leap-of-faith' as though it's solid logic.
Claiming to be a doc was one hour or so in to the game and was never meant to be taking seriously. But you and tyler loves to cling to it. Tyler went so far in his attempts to make me seem suspicious that he called me writing on irc suspicious.
I never said the doc vet or vigilante should reveal themselves, I asked them to share their information with us. Since we were so utterly clueless voting between two innocent people two times in a row.
I dont see how it is suspicious pointing a finger at you since I am indeed veteran, your claims of this making me suspicious, should make you look incredibly suspicious once I have been lynched tonight.
I have before answered to these useless accusations and I think you are the one using bad/false accusations against me, not me saying "no u".
is NOT the way to declare. I missed it and I appologise for that. I also forgot to forget golden rule number one: posting good.
The last killer point is that when Kawe declared as vet grax should have been much more sus. Like asking often are we sure Kawe is a vet, what if we have 2 vets etc. For the village to have 2 veterans is a massive advantage. I'm not saying its impossible, just very sus.
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So where from here? I curse myself for not posting this theory before. I just thought it was obvious that if a vet declared and there was a another vet, the other one would "out" the declared one.
So here we go. I was on a rampage early game. I guessed TTaM, Cwave, Grish and was blabbing it. I also kept asking Kawe if he was the sinister mafia overlord. I kept saying I could imagine him stroking a cat while concocting evil plans. Imagine a mid HoN player going 7-0!
I think this triggered a desperate plan. The mob sacrificed Grish so that Kawe could claim to be a veteran. My hubris, and the general confusion, then let me feck up so hard that it was like I fed the mafia team. From 7-0 to 7-11.
Here is my final trust list, remember that this is just a best guess. I'm open to other configurations and encourage people to post them.
Hugman: Voted for TTaM at 6-6. Lots of posts.
Arches: Voted for TTaM at 6-6. Many posts. Tracker claim more likley now it looks like we have no cop.
Kawe: Was "asleep" in TTaM vote. Only started posting after cover in. Never had to make another mafia/non-mafia vote
Nach: Didn't change TTaM vote, claimed would have. Not posted much. Never appeared to have a coherent theory.
In short lets lynch Nach or Kawe. I guess Nach first so he will stop pestering Arches :)
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No cop.
/FACEPALM AT PALMAR!
I don't know how you think the village not having a cop could be balanced, but I guess I will have to wait until the end to find out.
Damm Vorte!, It means that he just claimed to be a cop on that day he was gonna be lynched, and hoped he would get away with it, which he did for a suprisingly long time. Well played Vorte.
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Nach: Didn't change TTaM vote, claimed would have. Not posted much. Never appeared to have a coherent theory.
Yeah, not like I've been up to much like moving or anything.
I've been strongly against quite alot of what Tyler have said thus far and I've proved my own theories more right than Tyler has atleast, if you seriously believe someone who has agitated 3 village lynches in a row, over someone who's been trying to keep people calm-headed throughout the entire game and trying to mellow shit down so we won't lose horribly, then you're fucking retarded.
Hugman and Tyler have this invisible bond of trust I can't fucking understand either, it literally goes straight over my head, neither of them have done anything remotely close to ensure someone else of innocence (not even remotely) yet they seem to have this utmost trust with just eachother.
I've wanted Tyler dead for I don't know how long, mainly because I thought he was a Ninja, but I'm sure he's mobster now.
I'm pretty sure Tyler can captivate you all with his Iron Edge role of being calmer and older, but truthfully it's only worked out absolute shit to trust Tyler to this point and I seriously regret doing so. I think it's pretty obvious that either Arches is lying through his teeth as a mobster, hoping there wouldn't be a second tracker once Ino died the first night, or Arches and Tyler is in on this and somehow smooth-talked Hugman into fully trusting Tyler.
Tylers early vote to me is pretty obvious he's trying to agitate up shit, like he has done the 3 latest days and if he succeeds you will never hear the end of this, ever, as of how bad I would consider you all to be at this game.
But hey, fourth times the charm right? Perhaps THIS time Tyler doesn't want to kill a villager, MAYBE.
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Well one more wrong lynch and we're done for it :P
Now, since I've been wrong (every single time), I'm just gonna follow Nach on this one. Quite suspicious to Kawe as well, since vorte told him all about the tracking on Tyler, leaving Tyler to execute his genious self-framing. God be with us!
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I forgot to summarise our positions
Me: Villager
Hugman: Villager
Arches: Tracker
Nach: Hooker
Kawe: Godfather
You have consistently spoken up against me nach thats true. But as I say more consistent posting > less posting, no matter what the reason. The only time we actually had a vote on a mobster me, hug and arches voted for him. The other 2 didn't, this is really the only fact we have.
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If you totally disregard the times where I didn't vote for villagers to die, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't count as fact, I'm pretty sure you never meant to kill villagers, it only accidentally happened, you feel bad for it and you'll try to do a better job next game, yeah?
Sorry, not fucking buying it.
I didn't vote for TTaM, correct, I didn't think he was a mobster (this fucking sentence is boring me to death already, I don't know why it keeps getting repeated), but on the other hand you DID vote for all the other ones.
Also, as you can see in the Voting thread, I very often have late votes, mainly due to me not wanting to accidentally lynch another villager.
If you are a villager, you're never SURE that someone is something, you have suspicious, but so far you've been SURE alot, which you only are if you have other information, like being a mobster.
Latest villagekills were agitated by you and now you want people to trust you. It's so obvious it's unreal.
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I dont expect you to buy it Nach, I think you are mob.
Late voting is sus imo, what better way to look innocent. I was SURE on Shiftey, the others were best guess. Now I am confident enough of my innocence to keep posting best Guess theories. There is no way I would just give up. You are basically accusing me of too much posting.
The second vet thing really threw me I admit, but remember guys I have always posted all my thoughts in this thread. You can go back and check everything for consistency. Posting = good.
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Posting = Good, especially if you want more villagers dead, right?
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Woah, I am gobsmacked, went for a sleep and come back to this. First thing I guess I should say is very well played vorte. He had me hook, line and sinker. I'd been making a huge mistake, ironically one that vorte was constantly warning about, of getting way too narrow minded. I'd started doing some sherlocking this morning too which I don't even know if it needs revising for if there are two ninjas, or if maybe hug, nach or tyler is the worst cop in the world.
Tyler of course I start posting after my power is used, my role is fulfilled and I'm free to do so. Regarding a coherent theory, I think you'll be unpleasantly surprised with the results of my previous mentioned sherlocking.
Note however, that it was on the basis that vorte was a cop, not a ninja, and that there is a hooker in the game and arches had to be lying. All of these things have now been revealed to either be untrue or not definitely true. Although it doesn't necesarily throw it entirely, if Vorte was the sole ninja it throws a bunch more permutations of the layout into the mix.
This means Arches could be - and I think probably is - telling the truth. I'll need to come back to it and work through those later, but for now you just need to imagine that where it says arches is a ninja, he's a tracker. Image file because I needed to rearrage it visually and ps is easier than word to do that with.
Humility indeed the name of this game. Made a complete fool of by Vorte, and now most likely Tyler, the two people I trusted most of all, with my every concern about Grax gleefully reinforced by Tyler leading up to my practically leading a lynch against him thinking it was 'time to stand up for my vote'. To add salt in the wound, Grax and I ended up taking pot shots at one another the whole time. Wish I'd listened to Grax now, too. I've been played like a cheap violin.
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Nicley done Kawe. I tip my hat to you.
The only thing I can see wrong with your position is that you voted for Shank and Grax before me. I do agree that we were both fooled by Vorte, that is why he is dead :)
No mention of the Grishnag gambit from either of you? I would have thought something. And maybe some attempt by Kawe to justify why he trusts Nach.
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Grishnag gambit?
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I was wondering to myself what it is about posting that makes someone look guilty. I fell into the same trap at the start of the game when I accused Hugman on day one. I was not entirely convinced, but I did think he looked a little guilty.
I guess that this is a cornerstone of the game though. If it was easy to remember that more posts = good then there would be no fun. My idea is that posting lots makes you look certain. You can only really be certain if you are mob.
I thought I would try and counter this by posting some of my uncertainties. My current theory is best guess, the posts are already big enough without going through all the possibilities. However here are the biggest question marks about my current best guess in likelihood order, these are all very possible imo.
What if there is more than one ninja?
What if Vorte was silly enough to waste a kill on Grish?
What if Palmar really did put 2 veterans in the game?
What if Arches has got away with playing a random game?
What if Hugman is a really great actor?
The other big take away from this game is that "Just cos someone accuses you of being mob doesn't make them mob." Shiftey and Grax fell into this trap. I did too. When they responded to my accusations by calling me mob it just confirmed them as suspects in my eyes. This was probably my biggest fail in the game.
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Interesting that you should say I voted for shankski before you, very interesting... I never once voted for Shanks, let alone before you. I also never said that I trusted Nach. Truth is I was pretty unsure between hug and nach for the crony role. However, stepping back, looking at the way Nach is going at you now and how Hug was going at Arches after also berating him for no tracker info, and calling him into question over if he was actually hooked does make a very neat little picture of the game if hug was the hooker.
I'm also in the situation of not having a clue about what a Grishnag gambit is... part of your plan? Tnx god for no post editing rule.
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Sorry my bad, you voted for Grax not Shank.
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Ah the feigned ignorance approach. When all else fails pretend you are deaf...
You know the Grishnag gambit. The thing you did where the mob killed Grish so that Kawe could pretend to be a veteran. The mob _have_ to kill two people when they have more than two members left. The only explanation I ever got for Grish?s death was from Kawe. He said that Dell had asked ninjas to make themselves known to him on IRC in day 2.
Besides the fact that no ninja, despite how persuasive Dell can be, would ever have done this. Why would anyone target Grish. Even Dell would surely have picked a different target. Hug and/or Arches are gonna kick themselves about this tonight if they go ahead and lynch me. I mean it?s one thing not to guess, but to ignore it when it has been pointed out is gonna smart some.
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Turns out I've made another mistake. The mob dont have to use 2 kills. I guess they just all have to vote or get mod killed,
So maybe Grish was a mob Kill.
I'll see ya'll on the gallows :)
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Wow. Talk about clutching at straws... is it even possible for mafia to kill themselves? Though I suppose it's only as exepcted that you'd have thought of the most outlandish mafia plays, after having yourself framed while insisting Vorte investigate you twice in a row. Nice that you had a fancy name for your plan, too.
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So wait.
You think I?m the godfather?
You also think I guessed Vorte would investigate me, the most vocal villager, twice in a row?
You finally think the mob decided to use Cwave?s frame to finger me. So that the second invsetigation I would prove myself to be innocent?
At least I?m not the only one with whacky ideas.
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You hardly had to guess that Vorte would investigate you when you had such great trust from him and I, and could simply suggest him to do so, act shocked and ask for it again to claim innocence. Claiming now to 'not be the one with whacky ideas', after coming out with a mob-on-mob kill plan with its own special title is pretty rich. Not to mention you glossed over nicely that the you self-framing idea is one I initially doubted when Grax presented it as an idea; I thought it unlikely for at the time.
However, now you're telling me that that a self-frame is not just unlikely but whacky, while simultaneously saying a mob not only framing themselves but killing themselves, when their numbers are their basis for winning the game, is not. I don't know if you could manage to be more inconsistant in a single post. That said, I suppose it makes sense that you'd consider one seemingly crazy plan natural, while denying another less so as 'whacky' - since it's the one that's been spotted.
Vorte described the situation with Tyler as a mob boss as his "oh fuck" situation, and I have to agree with him on that much. Until Grax pointed out the self-frame possibility and then died a townie, and until you started making these slip ups now I would never have believed it. Or maybe I didn't want to believe I'd been fooled by you so badly. Either way, as I believe you put it to Shiftey while you lead us on to his lynching, "the jig is up".
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My idea that the mob passed up a kill one night so that you could claim veteran still holds. The Grish part is unexplained.
Your idea is complicated by the need for the mob to predict how Vorte, the ninja pretending to be a cop, would behave two nights in a row. If I was godfather I think I would have relied on my immunity.
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Maybe I'd believe that you'd have relied on your immunity if you weren't getting eyeballed by Grax, who it seems had your number a good bit earlier than the rest of us.
And saying you needed to predict vorte's behaviour is again ignoring not only that you had his trust to readily abuse, but also that even if he hadn't then agreed to check you a second time, it was simple enough for you to claim framing as you did so heavily. Even if people didn't believe you for sure at that point, you'd have cast the doubt in their minds.
Once again you say 'my' idea is complicated, after presenting your own seemingly more bizarre one as though it was obvious - though to you it would be if you perpetrated it. A series of complicated plans, then declare them 'too complicated' ... except when you make a slip up and reveal one no one knew about till now.
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This is why posting is good. The door is now open for Arches and Hug to choose which argument they think is more likely.
Hopefully they won't repeat the mistakes I made when voting for Shiftey, Shanks, Grax. It will be a glorious feeling if they save the day by lynching Nach :)
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Arches you are so dumb.
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I made some big mistakes in this game, and a few smaller ones.
The first was to not understand how the cop and godfather roles work. Early game I thought the cop could discover roles, and that the godfather would show up as a villager.
The second was to think that the mob had to kill twice in a night when they could.
The third was more strat. Maybe I should have played my cards closer to my chest. It does look bad when you accuse someone who then turns out to be innocent. It might be good to let the mobsters incriminate themselves more before I accuse.
The mob have had an easy time of it. One slight of hand and they were able to sit back while we fought amongst ourselves. Even when we got another life, them killing the ninja, we are going to waste it...
The only real facts we villagers have are the voting records. Mine is better than both Nach and Kawe, even with the fuck ups. The next closest thing are the claims that people make. We have one confimed and one claimed veteran. The simple act of passing up on one mob kill is going to win them the game. Kawe has made this out to be a complex ruse, but really its not.
I am still hopeful Arches will change his mind and come to the rescue. Here's to hope.
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Night Descends!
Tyler loaded up his guns, he had accepted what his fate would be. Outside the sounds of the angry mob that wanted his blood grew ever louder. Tyler had lead the town to three unwarranted executions.
"I'm not going down without a fight" - Tyler said to the Executioner. Goza pulled off his hood and nodded. He'd never said much.
"This is it, no one can blame me for not trying to save this town"
Tyler ripped open the door to his home and rushed out guns blazing with Goza running right after him.
(http://theselvedgeyard.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/butch_cassidy_and_the_sundance_kid1-1.jpg)
As soon as the door opened they were hammered with bullets. There was never much chance they'd get far, before reaching the street they were lying on the ground, bleeding the same innocent blood as so many had before them.
Several members of the maddened crowd fell in the gunfight, most notably Arches took a bullet to the head, and then another punctured his heart. He'd never used his head much, but no one can live without their heart.
Tyler the Villager has died a bloody death
Goza the Executioner has died a bloody death
Arches the Tracker has been shot
The sound of the gunfight was muffled, but Kawe leaned back and allowed himself a smile for the first time in days. He knew exactly what this meant. The town was finally his. Edgeville would forever exist in his shadow.
The Godfather didn't smile often.
Even after knowing him such long time Nachmanun still felt uneasy whenever the Kawe showed any sign of emotion. You could never tell if it was good or bad.
But the Godfather simply gave Nachmanun a nod and handed him the poison. This had been planned long ago.
Nachmanun had a date tonight, a date with Hugman...
(http://www.kvikmyndir.is/frettir/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/godfather_theone.jpg)
Hugman the Miller has been poisoned and killed
The Mafia has taken over Edgeville!
Congratulations:
Kawe the Mafia Godfather
Nachmanun the Mafia Escort
Cwave the Mafia Framer
TTaM the Mafia Goon
Grishnag the Mafia Goon
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:zerg
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Well GZ mafia especially Kawe good job man.
Awesome game will there be another one soon?
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*takes a bow*
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Had you only gotten your hands dirty once :p
*sniff sniff*
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Damn, they got me, too.
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Holy crap I was wrong on everything!
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I was right on everything apart from tyler\nach :(
Damn you Tyler! I totally thought you were mob from the getgo, oh how that screwed up my ninjaplay :( :'(
Gg guys, can't wait for the next!
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Holy crap I was wrong on everything!
I know the feeling :p
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Thanks for a really good game everyone. Good performance!
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In order
fkn Shiftey
fkn Archz
fkn Grax
fkn Vorte
fkn Me
gg though.
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What is the order of that list? Sort by uselessness in ascending order :P
Vorte was the ninja who saved Kawe's story by not saying that he got hit. How can he even be on that list :P
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Yo ho, yo ho a ninja's life for me.
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No Grax, Kawe double killed Dell as Dell told him he was a vet!
Vorte is useless for pretending to be the number one mob target (not a winning strat, even though it might have saved his bacon at the start), whacking Grish for no reason and investigating me twice and you. The last bit is moot ofc as he was a ninja, but what did he expect to find.
You are useless for not understanding that asking me, in IRC whisper, to switch vote at 6-6 to Vorte made you look as guilty as the ones who did vote for him...
I am usless for placing Kawe to far down the list of probables. I was so convinced that not all of the mob would vote the same way on day 2.
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Also for agitating 3 villager kills!
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I think it was your mistake reading it like that. I had already discussed it with Delling that we should make sure we get someone killed.
It was 30 minutes to lynch time and we were at 6-6, dangerously close to a second day of no lynch. (We would have killed the ninja and had no missing cop problems).
This was also the reason I did it in a pm so the mafia couldnt abuse it to make us switch.
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Grax we dont have much to go on. You looked as guilty as Cwave, Grish, Shiftey, Nach and Kawe at that point. Sure it was a mistake, but you didn't seem to bothered...
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Here are some thoughts on the game, remember I'm no expert, but there are some things that should be logical.
Globox - Sorry man :P
Ezzardo - You need to speak up as a villager. Really try to bring the hurt on someone
Matt - You were painfully obvious. Don't derail and try to act pro-town.
Cwave - Another really obvious mafiosi. The town will not appreciate nonsense in their thread.
Grishnag - I really don't know what put vorte onto you, you should of course try to be a bit more constructive to help create a cover for you, but meh... vorte's stab seemed a bit random.
Delling - Well played. You figured you'd get shot early, so you just took a gutshot at a mafia. Nothing much to say here.
Shiftey - You were insane. You were wrong on so many levels it's unbelievable. You're way too stubborn and you always assume people are lying. Remember that 75% of the players will be telling the truth, because lying as town is pretty stupid. You contributed so much to the mafia win.
Shankski - Basically a not so useful townie. Please remember that speaking up is the best way to get the town forward. Not defending yourself on the day of your lynch was beyond stupid.
Rucious - You played allright. Almost all your night calls were pretty logical. I have no clue about why you didn't protect vorte the night he took his first hit... but it turned out great.
Graxlos - You had the best insight of anyone in the game. Almost every call you made was correct. But you also had a pretty terrible representation, your posts were unstructured and without focus. Focusing too heavily on IRC as means of communication is bad for the town. More information in the thread = better.
Vorte - Putting yourself in a retarded position day2, but narrowly escaping it with a really ballsy cop claim. It almost worked out for you though, can't really complain about anything after you almost got yourself lynched.
Tyler - You started out well. Lynching shiftey was not stupid and almost logical, given his way of playing. But you went overly defensive after it. Being wrong is not a crime. By vesting your power in vorte's vote you basically surrendered one of the more intelligent townsman to the enemy. Your Shankski vote had very little basis for it, but his defense was also really bad.
Hugman - You played kinda ok-ish. You created a ton of content, most of which was good. You obviously lost track of the matt vote way too soon like the rest of town, but that was a common problem. Overall one of the better players.
Arches - your calls were usually bad, your night investigation targets were usually bad and your choice in allies was bad. But you still made some good decisions this game. Like shiftey, you seem paranoid about being lied to.
Kawe - My hat goes off to you. After a disastrous day2 thanks to your less than competent allies, you just took the game in your firm grasp and didn't let go until the town was yours.
Nach - Pretty damn random, I guess it helped you and can also help you in the future. I was wondering how people lynched grax, when almost everyone seemed to agree that you were the whore...
Here are some general gameplay tips for town
- Always assume everyone is telling the truth. When only 25-30% of the town have any reason to lie, it's simply statistically sound to assume people aren't lying. Most newbies assume everyone lies... which is really useless.
- Being wrong isn't a crime. Don't let a mislynch drag you down. If you're town you have nothing to fear and so you just soldier on the next day.
- Don't be afraid of getting lynched if you're town. Ignore accusations or calmly respond. Don't worry too much about proving your innocence.
- Don't go "NO U" when someone accuses you, this is just distracting for the town and usually ends up in two townies wasting time shouting at each other. Only point back if you have something to back up your accusations with, other than his accusation of you.
- Behavioral analysis is the key to this game. One of the best ways of scum-hunting is to just go back and read someone's posts twice. Once read it from the point of view he is town, and then again from the point of view he's scum. This helps tremendously in finding the scum.
Tips on Mafia gameplay!
Do everything I said above :P
Just make sure that you do tiny little manipulative things to change the outcome to your liking!
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fukkn vorte... i allso would like to know why you stabbed me vorte
also when is the next game
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Well done, Maffia! I think Kawe was your lynchpin -- very well played.
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Next game... hmm..
Should probably give it at least a week or two for people to cool off.
I'm already trying to find both a back-story, and a good balance idea. This game was balanced towards long game, but I will use pro setups for the next one.
If anyone else wants to try their hand at hosting, I don't mind that either. I can even provide tips and resources.
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I'm moving to a new job. I will finish up here 31.may and start the new one un july, so I will probably start a second game once I'm done here.
Gotta tie all them loose ends before I leave here.
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@ Grish - I was very sure the doc would not protect me, and that I'd die that night, so I gigured I'd atleast kill SOMEONE. You were kinda loud about it being silly to voteswitch from me to TTaM, and as such, plus that you've yet to post your picture, made me kill you.
I hate myself so much for reading Tyler way more than I should have, god damn was I sure he was the mafia hivemind.
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No Grax, Kawe double killed Dell as Dell told him he was a vet!
Vorte is useless for pretending to be the number one mob target (not a winning strat, even though it might have saved his bacon at the start), whacking Grish for no reason and investigating me twice and you. The last bit is moot ofc as he was a ninja, but what did he expect to find.
You are useless for not understanding that asking me, in IRC whisper, to switch vote at 6-6 to Vorte made you look as guilty as the ones who did vote for him...
I am usless for placing Kawe to far down the list of probables. I was so convinced that not all of the mob would vote the same way on day 2.
Just a little thing; I said Dell told me he was Vigilante, not veteran! My reason for double killing him then was that since he had told me he was vigilante on day one very early, I assumed it was possible he was ninja and using vig as a cover. Decided that by double killing him, I could ensure his death either way - something I wanted to do on the basis I could see how much analysis he was putting in already, and would become dangerous for that alone, before even considering his bullet - and if he turned out not to be a ninja then I could also claim the second bullet for myself as 'a veteran'. If not, well no big loss. Basically a win-biggerwin situation.
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Does anyone wanna co-host mafia 2 with me?
let me know, I want to bounce some ideas and then get the sign-up thread ready on the weekend, so we can start next week.
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The next mafia will be co-hosted by me and goza
We're fleshing out the details now :P
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Cool!
What happened to that 8,000-word write-up of the game? :P
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I'm lazy!
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Cool!
What happened to that 8,000-word write-up of the game? :P
And the list of night actions that occurred?
How else am I gonna get Arches lynched day one, without pointing out his MASSIVE BLUE FAILS?
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how about you actually poke me when I'm not at work hugman.
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Action list
Night 1
Cwave frames Hugman
Nachmanun roleblocks Delling
Globox tracks Tyler
Archz tracks Kawe
Rucious protects Hugman
Vorte investigates TTaM
Grishnag Kills Globox
TTaM kills Ezzardo
Night 2
Cwave frames Tyler
Nachmanun roleblocks Arches
Archz tracks Grishnag - but is roleblocked
Rucious protects Vorte
Vorte checks Tyler - tyler is framed
Grishnag kills Delling
Cwave kills Delling
Delling kills Cwave
Vorte kills Grishnag
Night 3
Nachmanun roleblocks Archzes
Archz tracks Graxlos - but is roleblocked
Rucious protects Hugman
Vorte checks Tyler
Nachmanun kills Vorte - but vorte has an extra life as ninja
Night 4
Nachmanun roleblocks Graxlos
Archz tracks Rucious
Rucious protects Vorte
Vorte investigates Graxlos
Nachmanun kills Rucious
Night 5
Nachmanun roleblocks Arches
Arches tracks Kawe
Vorte investigates Kawe
Nachmanun kills Vorte
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Sucking dick, slaying pricks.
That's how I roll motherfuckers.
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You piece of shit. If I just protected Vorte again that night you'd be dead!