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Welcome to Iron Edge Mafia II
This is the second mafia game we play here on the forums. The setup in this game is much less forgiving that the one in the first game. If either side fucks up, that side will lose badly.
There are a few simple rules, and some changes:
1. Voting will be done in the main thread, this forces people to take a stance with their vote. Votes will be cast using the format ##Vote: playername. Any votes cast without this format may not be counted.
2. Inactivity will result in a modkill. Failing to vote, or failing to turn in your night action if you have one, will result in a modkill. If you get mod-killed, you will be banned from playing at least one future game of Iron Edge mafia. Sounds harsh, but inactivity really ruins the game. If something special comes up, PM me and Goza and we'll have a look.
3. The voting rules have changed. If no player reaches majority vote, the player with the most votes will get lynched. If two players have equal amount of votes, the player who got there first will be lynched.
4. Play to win. Any meta-game strategies or intentionally losing because you think your team is stupid is forbidden. Getting yourself modkilled for your advantage is banned. Play the game, win the game. Don't ruin the fun.
5. I will not send you a PM asking for your night action. It's your own responsibility to make sure you send the PM in time, if you don't, you get modkilled and banned for the next game.
6. All action PMs must be sent to both Palmar and Goza. This means you're always sending two messages, or a single message to two people (Just seperate them with a comma in the "To:" field).
7. Posting any screenshot, pm or converstation you may or may not have with a host of the game, faked or real, will result in an instant modkill. Play the game, not the mods.
8. Show respect. Some roles in this game have the ability to kill you out of the blue. Even if a mod doesn't confirm the death, consider yourself dead. In addition, attempting to use an ability like day-time vigilante kill, when you don't have one available, will get you modkilled.
9. Don't post after you're dead. Don't talk about the game after you're dead. Don't influence other players after you're dead. We intend to open a private forum where the dead can discuss the game in peace without ruining the experience for anyone else.
10. Don't be a dick.
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Game Information
Link to Important posts
Day 1 (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg100757#msg100757)
27 of 27 players remain living
Delling
Archz
Tyler
Nachmnanun
Kawe
Mouseh
Grishnag
Shankski
Tronz
Hugman
Intrinsic
TTaM
Graxlos
Vorte
Sintrael
Shiftey
Chippen
Yoica
Ino
Blackwhale
Veilas
Doomslay
Emptyy
Vdti
Kendoki
Eetion
Starbrow
0/6 Mafia remain living
Current Mafia KP: 1 - went down to 1 as 2 mafia remain
3/21 Town remain living
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Roles
Here are the roles available in this game. Please note that not all the roles might be present in the game, and some roles might have more than one player.
Town Roles:
Private:
(Vanilla townie)
You are a private in the Imperial Starfleet. Fiercely loyal to your captain, your job is to find and kill the rebel scum hiding aboard the Star Destroyer. You don't have any powers but your voice to help the investigation.
Alderaanian:
(martyr)
Your people have a long history of dying for or by the empire, so now that you're in the Emperor's service, what more can one more death hurt? At any time you think someone is getting executed wrongly, you can PM Goza and I telling us you'll martyr for that person, and we'll lynch you insted.
If the person you martyred for doesn't get lynched, you retain your ability.
Empire Droid:
(on-death sensor, vanilla-townie to self)
You are a Droid, created to serve the Galactic Empire. You have been programmed in such a way that you don't know you're a Droid. If you get lynched, you will leave behind information about your death, giving away the number of Rebels who contributed to your lynch.
Stormtrooper
(one-shot day-time vigilante)
You are a Stormtrooper, the sword and shield of the Star Destroyer. Your weapon is your blaster, and you aren't exactly known for discretion. You may at any point during daytime type: ##Shoot: playername and that player will be instantly killed. This power can only be used once.
Vice Admiral
(cop)
You are the captain of the ship. Every night you can visit another player's sleeping chambers and thoroughly investigate them. You will soon find out if the player is loyal to the Empire, or part of the rebel scum.
Bounty Hunter
(vengeful veteran)
You have spent your entire life avoiding death. You know how to react should the rebels come for you during the night. It takes two night kills to end you. Should you be executed by vote, you die. But you can select one person to go down with you, firing him with your blaster as your last action
Imperial Jailor
(jailor)
You are in charge of the emperor's jail. Every night you can lock someone up and prevent any night actions used both by the player and against the player. This means the person locked up is immune to night kills and actions. The person can't be tracked, checked or killed, but the target itself cannot use any of it's night actions. You can not lock yourself up.
Imperial Assassin
(one-shot night-time vigilante)
You have the ability to slip into someone's sleeping cell during night-time and murder them in their sleep. This ability can be used once through the game.
Imperial Agent
(tracker)
You are responsible for checking the crew for any suspicious activity during the night. You can select one person and follow him wherever he goes during the night. You must not give yourself away, so you cannot follow him into the chamber he visits, but you will know whose chamber that is.
Elected Captain of the Imperial Guard
(mayor)
This is the only role that will not be assigned at the start of the game. During the first day, anyone (town or mafia!) in the game can run for Captain of the Imperial Guard. Everyone has the power to vote during the first day, and will cast their vote by typing ##Support: playername in the thread. 24 hours before the first night, the person with the highest amount of votes will be elected Captain of the Imperial Guard.
The Captain gains the one-time power to lynch a person at any time during the day by typing: ##Lynch: playername. This power can be used immediately, or saved for later days. This lynch is in addition to the daily lynch. The Captain's vote also counts as two votes for the end-of-day execution.
Mafia Roles
Rebel Scum
(vanilla mafia)
Long oppressed by the Empire, you joined the rebels in their quest to overthrow the oppressing regime. You must work with your rebel partners to take over the Star Destroyer.
Wookie
(one-shot vote-blocker)
Your extreme strength allows you to break someone's bones so badly during the night that they will not be able to attend the next days vote, as they'll be recovering. The person you break cannot vote the next day.
Rebel Droid
(roleblocker)
Quite simple your life, but all it takes is overriding the lock to someone's sleeping cell and he won't be able to get out that night. The player you lock in will not be able to perform any night actions.
Jedi Knight
(godfather)
You are the head of the rebels aboard this Star Destroyer. Your jedi mind tricks allow you to confuse any nose-prodding admirals that might want to check you out during the night. You are immune to rolechecks. In addition, you have the last say in any Rebel murders during the night.
Rebel Assassin
(one-shot mafia poisoner)
Sometimes subtlety is better than brute force. You can murder any target of your liking during the night, once per game. But the target will be notified it has been poisoned and it will not die until the next night, leaving it free to speak it's mind for a day before death occurs.
The person poisoned gains an extra vote through the ability "Accuse". On his last day the poisoned person can type ##Accuse: playername to accuse that player of his murder. The accusation will count as an extra vote against that player. The poisoned person also casts his standard vote normally.
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A long time ago in a galaxy far far away...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d9/ImperialstarDestroyer480ppx.png)
The entire crew of the Imperial Class Star Destroyer was assembled on deck. As the High Admiral inspected the crew with an unusually grim frown upon his face. Not that he smiled much any other day, but this wasn't just a normal inspection. The Crew was completely silent, officer and private alike, waiting for the High Admiral to say something, to give a reason for the hurriedness with which he had summoned his men.
As he walked past a private, a gunner, he stopped and curiously looked at the young man. The gunner had only been a part of the Imperial Navy for a couple of months, and had yet to see his first fight.
The High Admiral finally spoke, and said cooly.
"Did you know that our protocol droid was blasted to bits tonight"?
The private looked at the Admiral. He wasn't sure if he was being mocked, or questioned.
"Sir, no sir!"
The private tried to remain calm as he answered, but it was clear to anyone within earshot that his voice was slightly trembling. Not unusual, the High Admiral was an intimidating figure, but this was more than just a private being uncomfortable, this was a private scared for his life.
The High Admiral raised his voice for the entire crew to hear.
"Tonight, our protocol droid was gunned down. It seems like my suspicions were correct, this ship has been infiltrated by rebels. From this point on the entire crew should consider themselves under investigation. No one is to move from their sleeping cells outside the hours.
I will personally make sure that I find and kill every Rebel Scum aboard this ship."
The crew kept their silence, clearly shaken by the news, but no one dared to say a word.
The High Admiral reached for his blaster and without a word he shot the private he'd addressed earlier. The private fell down, dead. He bled the blood of the Rebels...
"He got off easy, the rest of you scum will suffer before you die, but I hope my point is now clear. It'd be easier to just turn yourself in and die a quick death.
Now, return to your posts."
As the High Admiral walked quickly towards the hallway leading to the officer's deck, another blaster was fired and hit him right in the back. He froze for a second, then lost his footing and fell to the floor, dead.
The order, kept by the Admiral's presence, broke down. No one was sure whom to trust anymore, the Star Destroyer was in a state of total chaos. The rebel scum needed to be found and killed.
Palmar-TO55-0P the Protocol Droid has been blasted to bits
Cwave the Rebel Scum has be shot dead
Goza the High Admiral has been assassinated
It is now day one. The Elected Captain of the Imperial Guard will be selected at 23:59 CEST Tuesday. The day will end at 23:59 Wednesday night.
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Important notice:
The first day of the game will last 72 hours. That's a whole extra day, due to the election of the captain.
This means we will start 23:59 Sunday. 23:59 Tuesday we will announce the captain, and 24 hours later 23:59 on Wednesday, we will lynch the first target and head into the night.
Any days after this first one will last normal 48 hours.
Voting in the Captain's election is not mandatory, voting for the lynch is mandatory. You can freely cast your lynch vote at any point during Day 1, even before the captain has been selected. Remember to use correct syntax.
This means the game is starting 23:59 CEST tonight!!!!!!
All role pms have been sent. If you need to ask questions you can PM Goza and I, or talk to us on IRC.
Roles are completely random this time around, I did not do anything to "balance" the game.
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Game is now live, enjoy 72 hours of WIFOM
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The heeeeat is on!
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Lynch Kawe he is the
Godfather Jedi Knight
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Wow, that didn't take long.
I would like to point out that there's only a 1-in-27 chance that Kawe is again the godfather.
As much as I'd love to see him hang, for LYING TO ME, we should probably treat each game as a new game...
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Random my ass, Palmar cant be trusted!
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Random my ass, Palmar cant be trusted!
Yeah, not to mention the german mastermind was also part of this!..
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I can tell you that I am Imperial, and that I'm watching all of you. I am already taking interest in the people who are keen to use such a flimsy pretext to lynch - they're either stupid, sore, or straight-up after lynching an Imperial. Or a combination of the above. So far Shanks and Shiftey already right onto that list. And before I can even finish speaking, Chippen and Vorte chiming in.
I hear Shiftey intends to run for Captain too. Regardless of whether he's telling the truth or not, I can't see that being a wise chocie. I will run for captain if nothing better presents itself.
In the mean time, more talking, lots more talking. Wherever you're hiding, when you're forced to talk enough you'll slip up, rebel scum.
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Track down and lynch some Rebels we must!
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As mentioned, I'll run for captain if no decent other options arise. (And yeah, I agree, Shiftey probably not a great choice. At least until he proves he can play a normal game...)
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As a member of the Imperial Fleet I aswell will be running for position of Captain so we can get this Battle Cruiser "operational" again
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Thirded. Shiftey as captain wouldn't be in our bests interests. He'd lynch himself on the first day.
I think Kawe is far too eager to start pointing fingers at people :(
Also, for anybody that wants to use it in the future:
(http://i.imgur.com/5o5gO.png)
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Giving first strike capability to a soviet power is never a good option! Dont vote shiftey!
Anyone asking to be a captain is clearly a rebel scum tho! DONT FALL FOR THESE UNDERHANDED SHENINGANS
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(http://i.imgur.com/ArXrP.png)
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Hahahah.
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Haha, great one shankski.
I would like to point out, as I did on IRC, that the captain would be a pretty obvious target for rebel night kills, so we should probably have the jailor lock the captain up each night.
With this in mind, it would be wise for blues (except for stormtroopers) to not run for captain, as their night time abilities would be useless then.
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Good thinking. Can the captain still use his specials (double vote?) if he's locked up?
Also... wouldn't that expose the jailer, thus getting them killed? :P
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I'm a good guy this time, interesting.
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Isn't double vote a day time ability, and what does that have to do with exposing him?
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I don't think the jailer is exposed when locking people up?
And, the captain only has a daytime ability, no night time actions, and he's only locked up for the night.
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Oh also, this time I will try to use the forum as much as I can, but if you're reading this and you're IMPERIALOLOL - get on IRC, fucking yesterday. As much as it'd be utopia to be able to keep it all in a forumthread, that just won't happen.
There will be speculation, accusation and upfuckery on IRC and on TS, suspect everything.
God knows that I fucked up a good 2-3 times during the last game of Mafia, yet it didn't catch on (phew).
So yeah, if you're imperial, get on IRC you fuckwad.
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I am already taking interest in the people who are keen to use such a flimsy pretext to lynch - they're either stupid, sore, or straight-up after lynching an Imperial. Or a combination of the above. So far Shanks and Shiftey already right onto that list. And before I can even finish speaking, Chippen and Vorte chiming in.
So I havent said a word and you are already pointing fingers on me. Little too eager arent we kawe? going the Shiftey way of playing this game?
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I think we are all agreed, no to Shiftey as captian.
I would be happy to do it, my inital guesses in the last game were good. I am a simple villager again so no loss if I get whacked later.
Nach, post it all here. IRC is bad mkay. We need a record of what is said by whom.
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Nach, post it all here. IRC is bad mkay. We need a record of what is said by whom.
Aye, will try. But everyone is not going to post solely on the forum (fuck, I probably won't even though I will try) and thus it's a nice idea to be on IRC, if you catch some upfuckery just post it here.
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Private Hugman reporting.
Just to remind people:
Just to clarify a basic rule:
The more the mob Rebels talk, the more likely we are to expose their game plan, expose them, and then make a clean mob Rebel lynch.
The more a townie Imperial talks, the more we can establish (based on their actions, posts, and consistency to an action) that you are who you say you are, and not lose people silly to lynches.
The Rebels knows who the Rebels are, and therefore has a massive advantage. However, since they know this, and they plan together, it becomes more obvious to the town, when people change actions or act inconsistently, that this is likely to be the Rebel gameplan shifting, due to deaths and suspicions raised against them.
The best thing you can to as a Imperial, is be open, constistant, and make post logically explaining why you do what you do.
tl.dr:
more posting = higher chance of Empire winning.
less posting = higher chance of Rebel Scum winning.
Part of our failure last game, was after we got a few wrong lynches in a row, we stopped posting, which allowed the mob to slowly spread chaos.
Want to see lots of posting this time.
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It recently came to our attention that Vorte has never watched Star Wars and so as a loyal member of the imperial army, I shall be watching him closely!
I am also in agreement; a no go for Shiftey!
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That is why we keep IRC logs Tyler :P
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It recently came to our attention that Vorte has never watched Star Wars and so as a loyal member of the imperial army, I shall be watching him closely!
I am also in agreement; a no go for Shiftey!
He watched them today though!
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Damnit. I have to go feed the imperial cat, but people keep posting!
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Damnit. I have to go feed the imperial cat, but people keep posting!
The usual cat excuse.. I bet he's plotting!
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The more I see people wanting to be captain, the more suspicous I get! You all reek of rebel scummery!
Also as steve pointed out, Vorte have just barely watched Star Wars. He should be lynched on a pure principle
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Indeed, unlike the last game. We Imperial Fleet people need to stick together, and use the information for the best of all of us, not just for one of us. Use the thread so that all of us can benefit from what one might discover - so we can get an end to this Rebel infiltration
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I'm moving tomorrow btw, I'll be fucking off around 10 in the morning, then I won't have any type of internet access until I land in Trondheim (early tuesday morning) and I'll most likely sleep when getting there, so I will be quiet for the first day - I suggest you don't lynch me while I'm gone, it'd be awfully silly since I think I'll be a great asset.
So just postpone the accusations for me until Tuesday.
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What galactic star system is Trondheim in?
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The more I see people wanting to be captain, the more suspicous I get! You all reek of rebel scummery!
Also as steve pointed out, Vorte have just barely watched Star Wars. He should be lynched on a pure principle
As of the last game Chippen - if your Role is of an Imperial interest, do remember that most of the people here might actually be telling the truth.
It is okay to have suspicous thoughts and so on, but one might actually not be a badie!
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Im just messing around atm since we don't have anything to go on.
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What galactic star system is Trondheim in?
Rebel territory?
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I think Palmar made a good point the other day - At the start of the game very few people are Jedi scum, so the chances of people telling the truth is quite high.
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What galactic star system is Trondheim in?
Rebel territory?
Symbolism the Southern Cross
Right ascension 12.5 h
Declination −60?
Quadrant SQ3
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The more I see people wanting to be captain, the more suspicous I get! You all reek of rebel scummery!
Also as steve pointed out, Vorte have just barely watched Star Wars. He should be lynched on a pure principle
As of the last game Chippen - if your Role is of an Imperial interest, do remember that most of the people here might actually be telling the truth.
It is okay to have suspicous thoughts and so on, but one might actually not be a badie!
Sounds to me like someone is covering for his fellow rebels to gain the upper hand, EH?
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The more I see people wanting to be captain, the more suspicous I get! You all reek of rebel scummery!
Also as steve pointed out, Vorte have just barely watched Star Wars. He should be lynched on a pure principle
As of the last game Chippen - if your Role is of an Imperial interest, do remember that most of the people here might actually be telling the truth.
It is okay to have suspicous thoughts and so on, but one might actually not be a badie!
Sounds to me like someone is covering for his fellow rebels to gain the upper hand, EH?
As I've got nothing to hide for anyone, because I'm only a simple, however loyal, Imperial Fleet Private. Trying to do my duty and reporting in, so that our Star Destroyer can be cleaned up from this Rebel invasion.
You seem very eager to get some kind of black sheep pointed out early Chippen, why go for the Imperials if you, yourself were to be one of us?
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I am ofc a loyal private of the Imperial Fleet, but I'm also well versed in the rebel ways, since I have studied the books of ancient Edgeville, and the rebels reek of this Mafia they spoke about.
I do not trust anyone... yet!
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I respect that you do not trust anyone yet, however i just want to remind you that 77% of the people will be part of your interest if you truely are of the Imperial Fleet. Why start suspecting everyone, if you might get yourself lynched by the rest of the imperials by acting suspicous?
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Ack, I'm surrounded by roleplayers :P
This game is going to be... colourful...
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Since it is day one, and I have no data on anyone, I will start with Arches, as he is an idiot.
Care to claim your innocence Arches?
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That reminds me, Arches, care to explain away your talk of 'the force being strong' with you? I admit it's possible that you're just a huge retard, but in that case it's equally likely one way or the other.
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Should also make a note of Nach's reaction to Arches making such an apparant blunder, 'God damnit arches'.
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This isn't the jedi you're looking for
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Should also make a note of Nach's reaction to Arches making such an apparant blunder, 'God damnit arches'.
I just think he's being a dumbass - just failing horribly like last time. If arches is the Janitor, there is no god.
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I'm just having a huge laugh at how much you guys are "reading into" things :p
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Trying to dig yourself out of the hole Arches?
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I have not even officially stated I would be running for a position of captain. I do not intend to, as you will want to lynch me anyway and becoming a target for rebels too just isnt my cup of tea.
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4. Play to win. Any meta-game strategies or intentionally losing because you think your team is stupid is forbidden. Getting yourself modkilled for your advantage is banned. Play the game, win the game. Don't ruin the fun.
Keep this in mind, Arches.
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The last thing we need as another useless tracker ;)
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AH, hello ET.
Betrayed us once, for a rift far away now scrounging back?
Where have you been?
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Time to retire for the evening, but don't think I won't be scouring every word here come the morning. Get posting.
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I'm just having a huge laugh at how much you guys are "reading into" things :p
Then surely you do also realise this is the only thing we can do at day one.. also, for you new folks - you should probably read up on WIFOM, as it'll probably get refered to a bit this first long day!
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AH, hello ET.
Betrayed us once, for a rift far away now scrounging back?
Where have you been?
Plotting with his Rebel brethren no doubt.
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Hmm Archz is looking like a good target. We have to lynch every day. If he is imperial he is bad. Lets do it.
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How on earth can I stay updated on this game when you fill 5 pages with posts just during the first 71 minutes?
...I worry for my upcoming exams.
Oh, and lynching Arches would make me giggle, let's do that. From what I've observed from game 1, he's either going to be a mafia or a useless townie.
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Before I get to bed and forget why his presence offends me,
##Vote: Vorte
being over 20 and not appreciate star wars is a deed most foul, so without any proper data to go on, I CAST THEE OUT
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On the dagobah system Exiled I've been.
I wouldn't say i betrayed anyone in the B-raid did I? My ways in terms of WoW just strayed.. Just want to keep in touch with the community, and here you have me in the role of an Imperial Fleet Private :)
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I'm joking ET! but a little defensive.
i have my mince pies on you.
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##Vote: Archz
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I thought Vorte watched it earlier today?
For what it's worth, I've only seen the Star Wars movies once -- and I kind of didn't like them that much :P
The first one, with all the clone things, was really bad.
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AH, hello ET.
Betrayed us once, for a rift far away now scrounging back?
Where have you been?
Plotting with his Rebel brethren no doubt.
A friendly greeting i suppose, again. 77% of us are not badies!...
Hmm Archz is looking like a good target. We have to lynch every day. If he is imperial he is bad. Lets do it.
Somehow i agree a bit with you Tyler.. Even if archez was part of the Imperial Ranks, he isn't looking to be doing what is in the best interest for the rest of the Empire.
Remember the best weapon for us Privates is to speak up and talk together instead of staying silent and then suddenly when accused try to defend us self.. The more we get the mafias to speak up the stronger we might stand from clues we might be able to get out of them!
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I shall follow suit on the aim of casting out such a mindless soul.
Let the rest of us live in the comfort that we no longer need to occupy the same space as this foul man.
##Vote: Vorte
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##Vote: Arches
If you're a rebel, we purge you from the ship. If you're innocent, you're incompetant and a liability. Unless something comes to light of more interest throughout the day, I see this as being a sensible course of action.
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I thought Vorte watched it earlier today?
For what it's worth, I've only seen the Star Wars movies once -- and I kind of didn't like them that much :P
The first one, with all the clone things, was really bad.
I did watch it earlier today, and as I said on irc - they were great for their time, but seeing them now made me laugh a bit too often at the poor acting and such :P Still, regarded as classics they are!
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Why are we voting to lynch before we've even voted to captain?
Are we even going to have a captain? I guess we don't need one -- but considering we have 3 days to talk about it, maybe we should discuss it, rather than leaping in with haphazard guesses?
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It's as good a method of pressure as any other.
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Why are we voting to lynch before we've even voted to captain?
Are we even going to have a captain? I guess we don't need one -- but considering we have 3 days to talk about it, maybe we should discuss it, rather than leaping in with haphazard guesses?
Look at it this way, getting the lynch votes in early, makes the pool to pick a captain from a tiny bit lesser!
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True.
But that sounds a bit like persecution :P
THREATEN EVERYONE UNTIL THEY CRACK!
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chip: ha.
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If was thinking the exact same Delling.
All of a sudden people start throwing out their lynches, specially to Vorte and Archez.
But the day is what, about 1? hour in..
No need for hasted conclussions!
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Some people just cannot take a joke!
Me for Captain imo
(http://img.tgdaily.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/story_slider/stock/article_images/scifi/zappbrannigan.jpg)
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Why are we voting to lynch before we've even voted to captain?
Are we even going to have a captain? I guess we don't need one -- but considering we have 3 days to talk about it, maybe we should discuss it, rather than leaping in with haphazard guesses?
Look at it this way, getting the lynch votes in early, makes the pool to pick a captain from a tiny bit lesser!
Also, lynching an Imperial Fleet person increases the chance that we might select one of the Rebels to be of who we have name Captain.. So it could be in the interest for the Rebels to get a quick lynch on an Innocent..
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True... and Kawe could be using the fact that no one would believe he's Maffia/Rebel two games in a row...
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I say lets vote of the lynch first. Peoples reaction will help us choose the captain later.
This is no joke Archz. You are gonna get lynched if you dont give us some good arguments. You might take Nach down with you too.
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True... and Kawe could be using the fact that no one would believe he's Maffia/Rebel two games in a row...
Pfft, its totally rng.
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Yeah, but doesn't mean he can't be playing off that 'feeling'.
If he IS godfather two games in a row, that would be a very difficult pill to swallow.
I am also very tired atm though, so I disclaim any kind of mathematical/sensible sentiment :P
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You might take Nach down with you too.
Well that might actually make it worth it, I'm still itching from last game
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You might take Nach down with you too.
That would be a fucking horrible idea.
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You raise an interesting question there ET, while I still want Vorte lynched, let it be known it is because i detest his very nature, regardless of faction!
OOC:Fukkn norwegian oilbarons thinking they can pollute my childhood
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Look at it this way, getting the lynch votes in early, makes the pool to pick a captain from a tiny bit lesser!
Archz is probably not a maffia, he seems to care to little to have a important role.
Lynching vorte because he dont like starwars makes no sense. What we want to do is take our time and not kill a townie early on. Chippen is either a dumb private or a sneaky rebel
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Good morning!
Wow 6 pages already, I wont be following this "situation" as tightly as I did the last.
Voting for Arches could be reasonable based on how he played the last game, although if he is rebel scum it might be a waste of a kill.
Kawe might be a good bet because we know he is an insanely good schemer so if he actually is rebel he is going to mess with us until the very end.
Lets do make any rash decisions and figure out what captain we want. Im gonna pass on the captain job since Im not going to be very active in the beginning of this game.
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Good morning!
The problem with the first vote is always going to be lack of information since everyone is unsure where they stand.
About IRC, I'm not going to follow what happens on IRC for 3 reasons. First, not everyone uses IRC and imo everyone should have the same info. Secondly, it's a pain in the ass to look through the logs because of the normal daily chitchat that happens on IRC. Third, even if everyone had IRC I still think info should be contained to 1 location. Now I realise I can't stop ppl from using IRC, but it messes up the game imo.
About Captaincy. For me the 3 most logical candidates are Tyler, Delling and Kawe. Simply because it's important to the game that the captain is an active poster and takes their time formulating their thought before throwing out speculations. I'll probably end up choosing between Kawe and Delling, because Tyler made too many wrong choices last game. But I'll see how the rest of this day goes.
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Good morning crew, private Mouseh is reporting for duty.
Uh, been reading 6 pages since morning, a lot to process, good thing I made the notes!
As the choosing the Captain is on schedule today I'm gonna start with that.
Who we have as candidates so far:
- Kawe: Very intelligent and very good at this game. If chosen for role of Captain he would be great asset to the Empire. BUT if he is a rebel choosing him for a Captain would be catastrophic.
- Shanks: posting promotional posters won't make me want vote for you!
- Delling: He wasn't 'alive' for long in the last game, didn't see much of him playing this. But we all know Dell, hes smart and cunning.
- Eetion: I don't know/trust him enough to know he would work in the best interests of Empire if chosen for Capt. (even if hes imperial)
- Tyler: Clearly very intelligent as well but he made just too many mistakes in the past for me to trust him now :/
- Arches: lol.
Anyone else wants to run for the role?
##Vote: Vorte
being over 20 and not appreciate star wars is a deed most foul, so without any proper data to go on, I CAST THEE OUT
That STAR WARS you so often talk about is clearly a REBEL propaganda material! Rebel scum showed as a oppressed freedom fighters, rebel leader as a hot princess, and even showing destroying the Deathstar as a heroic act. This movie should be banned from this battleship and the whole Empire!
The ones who mention it should be severe punished. Chippen you have been warned.
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Kawe might be a good bet because we know he is an insanely good schemer so if he actually is rebel he is going to mess with us until the very end.
So now we got people who want to lynch people for playing good in the previous game as well as people who played poorly? :p This should be interesting
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Star Wars is as everyone knows a horror series depicting what happens if we as true servants of the Empire fail in our duty to root out the scum that is called the Rebel Alliance!
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I don't know about you guys... but it sounds like Chippwn has a bit of a man crush on Luke and Obi-wan.
As you all know, only Vader and Palpatine plushies are allowed on this here star destroyer.
LYNCH HIM I SAY!
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I've just gone through and re-read all of the posts. I'm definitely noticing a trend towards Delling, Kawe and Yoica trying to allay suspicion from each other. Something to keep an eye on!
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And we're still waiting for a few people to chime in with posts: Grish, Ino, Kendo, Sint and Tronz. Still early yet, I suppose.
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I don't think I've even said Yoica's name yet, have I? He only just made his first post!
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You've made an extremely weak, and quite nonsensical, post there, TTaM, for someone who has supposedly read all the posts twice now. I'm not even going to address it point by point.
The non-posters do need to speak up and fast though.
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I'm sure the person(s) that smuggled the rebels on board must have read the stories of egdeville and made sure that what happened there will only be used as a trick to kill innocent imperial troops. So no hasty decisions should be made
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Slight change to the rules from last time, I forgot to state it specifically. If a person gets roleblocked will know he got roleblocked, even if he's got no role.
oh yeah, use the proper vote format to vote...
##Support: playername <--- for the election
##Vote: playername <--- for the lynch
Don't forget the ## and don't forget to bold it
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(http://i.imgur.com/X0dqr.jpg)
I hope this makes kawe and every conspiracy theorist happy.
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Comrrrraaade!
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##Support: Shiftey
Sorry that poster was too awesome.
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Ok, let me expand on my previous post.
Kawe: Far and away has accused the most players for very flimsical reasons, even in his opening post. Only way you can accuse this many players with so much ease is when you know who you can accuse.
Delling: Made the point on the front page that it's unlikely that Kawe could be the godfather. Later on subtlely plants the idea that it's unlikely for Kawe to be mafia for two games in a row.
Wants to be captain. Only 2 types of people that want to be captain - greens and reds. Probably an equal number of both at the moment, maybe even more reds than greens.
Seems against Archz, but when votes start pouring in for him and Vorte, is suddenly against Lynching early. Then suggests lynching Chippen. Seems he wants to save Archz or Vorte.
Yoica: Despite Kawe's excessive accusations and Dell's defense of him, still thinks they are the best candidates for captain.
Shankski: Wanted to be captain until somebody pointed out that it's very suspicious - then claims he's just having fun. A red backing out to allay suspicion?
Blackwhale: Defending Archz, despite poor play by him. Knows something we dont?
Chippen: Started the anti-Vorte vote. Perhaps in jest, perhaps not.
Archz: Playing either a really good or really bad game. I suspect the latter... again.
Eetion: Very keen to insinuate himself into the empire. Also posted out against lynching early after the Archz and Vorte votes came in.
Nach: Perhaps shown his hand with Archz. Maybe we're reading a bit too much into that. "Oh, I'm good this time." = very suspicious. He can't post because he is travelling... or because he doesn't want to further reveal his allegiance?
Emptyy, Tyler: Very keen to jump on the Archz bandwagon. Bandwagons are Mafia territory.
Intrinsic: Seems to be making some light-hearted accusations. Not sure what to think of that.
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Yoica: Despite Kawe's excessive accusations and Dell's defense of him, still thinks they are the best candidates for captain.
I don't get this -- when did I defend Yoica?
I agree that Kawe has been a bit too militaristic for early on in the game. I guess he just wants to get the ball rolling though. Better to lynch than not-lynch.
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Defense of Kawe, sorry if that wasn't clear.
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Yoica: Despite Kawe's excessive accusations and Dell's defense of him, still thinks they are the best candidates for captain.
I don't get this -- when did I defend Yoica?
I agree that Kawe has been a bit too militaristic for early on in the game. I guess he just wants to get the ball rolling though. Better to lynch than not-lynch.
There is no "No Lynch", the person with the highest vote-count will be lynched.
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Ah, OK Kesh. Fair enough analysis, then :)
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##Support: TTaM
Lets not let the commies turn our beautiful Empire into some kind of... Alliance!
TTaM is similiar with his suspicions as I am with mine, with him at the Captaincy we shall quickly root out the rebel scum that are currently infesting our glorious Star Destroyer
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Private Sint reporting in!
Just caught up on the action so far after a hectic weekend.
From what i've read i havent noticed anyone saying anything weird or odd per se, i did notice tho that the 3 or 4 posts that ET made were all of him pushing that he was firmly part of the empire and that we shouldnt think otherwise!
I like Mouseh's post, i agree that kawe/tyler/dell would be a good choice for captain assuming they arent rebels.
@Ttam, i can see what ur saying in that big ol' judgemental post of yours but i cant help thinking that ur reading way too far into what we've got so far, which isn't much, eager to kill some empire are we?
Also, can we not discuss the game on IRC plz, i cant use it at work.
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Bandwagon TTaM, I made the first vote for Archz? In any case bandwagons are needed to kill people, as you found out last game.
You also highlight Archz as sus, then accuse me cos I voted for him. Very odd. Which brings me to Grax. Really voting for Shiftey as captain, really?
For those who are saying don't be hasty; remember this game we have to lynch each round. Voting for people is the best way to get the ball rolling. It will come in useful later in the game to be able to look back on who voted for whom.
##Vote: Archz
##Support: Kawe
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Bandwagon TTaM, I made the first vote for Archz? In any case bandwagons are needed to kill people, as you found out last game.
Not true any more. Don't need bandwagons to get a lynch, as Palmar pointed out, there is always a lynch. Bandwagons only serve to sway the vote now.
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As for Archz (I really need to group up my replies into a single post...) as has been said, there isn't much to go on at the moment. I'm not really sure who is what and I'm just covering all the possibilities from what I've seen post.
There are currently 2 choices, being in the dark or reading too much into things. Obviously the dark side is awesome, but we need to shed some light on the jedi traitors.
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I am reading and reading and I'd just like to say one thing.
Some people seem to have chosen the Shiftey approach to playing this game and as a creator of that strategy and personal experience, I advise you to abandon it right now.
I can know certainly say that all those randoms accusations based on nothing are not going to help us and definitely should not be taken seriously. What should however be taken into consideration is why some people hastly vote or accused someone and not state their reasoning with some solid points.
As for now, I do not have any strong suspicion yet.
If we are to win it this time, we need to be constructive and abandon what we've done wrong last time.
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Private Ino reporting for duty!
I've looked through the logs (this thread) and I agree that we shouldn't have Shiftey or Archz as Captain.
Personally I think Tyler is a good choice for captain because the errors he made in the previous game were partially due to not knowing the exact rules (e.g. mafia doesn't have to kill).
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Since this day is a long one I'm going to give it a bit before I start suspecting anyone.
However, at this time people not posting or being very quiet is more suspicious than others. The only problem I see is due to the size of this game its going to be hard to keep track of who hasn't been posting as much as they should do.
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(http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6168.0;attach=3969)
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(That took me about half an hour to make!)
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Arch said that he got some powers again ?
If he's a private that would make the rebels waste one kill/roleblock/investigation witch would be great , if not then ....
Anyway I'll be going for the captain since i don't see a reason why not to !
(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1092/voteveilas.jpg)
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Also I would like to support Yoica in his statement that we should minimize the use of IRC or when speaking out your mind on IRC, sum it all up on the forum as well, cause all the information we gather is crucial and important to successfully finding the rebels.
If the channels are split and each of us have different pieces of information, we are all going to be all over the place and generally wrong. It's a very strong tool the rebels can use against us.
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Are you saying that you're a new hope, Delling?
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Ho ho!
I know that's a Star Wars reference, but as I've only seen them once... I'm not sure if you're calling me out or not :P
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(http://img.movieberry.com/static/photos/2747/poster.jpg)
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omg but is it the 1st or 4th film?!?!
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It might be wise to vote for a captain before we start focusing on lynching someone, we could always gather information about whom might be maffia by looking at peoples "campains". The more people speak the more of a chance they mess up.
"If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything."
-Mark Twain
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TTaM: Why did you say I'm making accusations, when I've not made any, only made public notes of things to keep in mind? Why do you say Dell is defending me, when if anything he's raised the idea of maintaining suspicion of me? Why do you say my points are 'flimsical' when I've done nothing but went on things that have happened?
Why did you ignore that Stormtrooper or Bounty Hunter are ideal candidates for captain? Or that given the length of the game and the huge numerical advantage we have, that even losing one other blue role to being jailed for a few days at the gain of a safe, Imperial captain is still a gain?
Why would you assume that most of the people running for captain are red, when there's more chance that the majority - at at the very limits of likelihood, an equal number given reluctance of some blue roles - of them are telling the truth?
Why, in general, is your play not focused around the assumption of truth at all at this very early stage of the game, but on casting doubt?
Regarding early voting: Getting votes on the go is an excellent way to really get the pressure on the scum - not only on the chance that the scum is subject to a vote themself, but also because they feel pressured to cast their own vote. If it turns out the person subjected to votes IS scum, then the pressure from the second point is further amplified. Getting votes on the go is great for the Star Destroyer. As far as doing it before/after anything else to get more accurate information: we can all change our votes. There's therefore no reason not to get to work on all voting asap.
Speaking of Captaincy, I'll indeed be running for it.
##Support: Kawe
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People with night actions really don't want to be the captain as he's probably going to be jailed after that post suggesting it by Vdti. So that limits the number of candidates. I did say that it was probably an equal amount of red and green players. You make good points about stormtroopers and bounty hunters.
There is no need to repeat the truth that everyone is saying about themselves in posts. There is a need to analyse what they are posting to see if any information can be gleaned from between the lines.
Nobody has outright accused anyone of being anything thus far - but you have added people to "your list" (in your opening post, no less).
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I've gone over the posts again, there's a lot of non-sense but I am gonna tell you what I want answers for now.
Chippen has accused 3 people right from the get-go with no real reasoning, namely: me, Eetion and Vorte, although I do admit he accused me and actually everybody who runs for the captain of being rebels.
I would like to see some reasoning for your accusations and solid points Chippen, give us your thoughts.
Also, if you claim to be private, then executing someone purely based on you disliking the person is a terrible play for the Empire and in no way helps us.
Then, in concordance with your thinking, you voted for someone who hasnt announced his intention to run for captain, TTaM. Could you please explain why, so we can understand that reasoning?
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##Support: Kawe
Played very good the previous game, let's hope you're not scum again :p
Also, we should send Tyler to outer space imo, doesn't look like his bloodlust were sated in any way in the previous game.
Death by snoo snoo!
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Well, seems like this thread is picking up nicely. Being at work, I cannot be as active during the day as many of you.
Reading through today's posts, I have to agree that putting pressure on people in the beginning is what gets the game going, but I still have an ugly gut feeling about Kawe, Delling and ET. Haven't really got anything solid to base it on, might just be early aggression that makes them stand out a bit.
As for the captain role, I'm a private my self, and therefore I will be running, as long as I can have a jailer to protect me from assassination. The more privates we can get into to the race for captain, the lower the possibility of a rebel captain becomes.
So here we go, Vdti for captain!
##Support: Vdti
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re: Kawe -- I'm not comfortable with someone who is THAT intelligent/scheming being the Captain. If he's innocent, it's all good -- but if he's a rebel, we're massively boned.
I think a 'puppet' captain might be a bit more sensible, or at least someone not quite so pro.
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Well, not so sure about the puppet captain thing. A captain just listening to others and not thinking for him self has the risk of being talked over to do the rebels bidding without knowing it him self.
And if a 'soft' rebel captain is elected, we're still in a bad position as the captain would probably do what the jedi tells him to anyways.
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Well, no matter who we elect, their actions will have to be monitored. It's not like a puppet captain could change his vote without everyone else knowing.
But yes, there's a higher risk of a puppet captain being swayed more than he should, I guess.
(I'm not sure how strong/how high value the captain is, so it's a bit hard to work out what the best setup is.)
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After thinking about what was said on TS just now (a vote for nobody is a vote for a mafia win,) I think I'm going to put down some votes.
I think Vdti has shown his dedication to the cause the most by suggesting the 'jail the captain' plan. I don't think he would have suggested this if he were mafia. So, I'm going to support him.
##Support: Vdti
While Arch may be useless at this game (or maybe not,) I don't feel he will really affect it in any way, even if he is mafia, he's not going to be making all the decisions in their camp (no matter his role.)
Other than Archz, I think the most suspicious person so far (even if his motives are just "to get the ball rolling") is Kawe.
##Vote: Kawe
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An Imperial captain gives the town yet more weight; he provides essentially another free villager while alive, because our strongest weapon, stronger than all our blue roles, are our votes. They are what we have in abundance above the rebels, and as Palmar explained, even in a game where there's no blue roles the town can very much win.
If you're innocent, there should be no reason to hesitate at this stage of the game. Never forget you can change your vote. The only people who have any real reason to wait to vote atm are scum, who are naturally more wary of how they appear when voting.
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##Support: Vdti (mainly for the jailing idea -- good point, Kesh)
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Sigh, no bold...
##Support: Vdti
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Finally got some time to pop on the forum and join in on the fun!
I'm not sure I fully understand the logic of throwing votes into the wind to begin with. However, from watching the last game Kawe certainly had a fair understanding of how to play it well, so I will take his advice and just vote based on who I'd think would be least useful to us even if he is an Imperial, and that falls to either Archz or Shiftey I think.
As for the Captain, I would support having a clever person who doesn't get swayed easily by manipulation, but also one that is unlikely to ignore the bulk Imperial fellows just cause "he feels like it's the best thing to do". Which certainly rules out the two above as Captains too. I don't know the others running, so I will eventually support either Delling, Tyler or Kawe as it is looking now. I'll hold off the decision for now though.
##Vote: Archz
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Vote Dell!!
(http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6168.0;attach=3969)
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##Support: Vdti
same reason as delling. Good point about the jailor thing, something rebel scum would keep to themselves
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Interesting how the vote is swaying towards Vdti best on TTaM, it was his idea to jail the captain. Well to clarify that, this has been said during the weekend by almost everyone on IRC. It's not nothing knew, we all knew about it. That's not a real reason to vote for Vdti, therefore I would like to ask for the real reason why we should entrust Vdti with such an important role?
##Support: Shiftey
Since I am a candidate, I have to vote for myself, cannot be a retard.
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No offense, but the jail the captain idea should be one of those common knowledge things everyone assumes to happen. What would be point of giving someone 2 votes and big fat Bullseye on his forehead w/o any protection...
Having said I like the calm nature of Vdti's post so he definitely moved into picture for my vote.
@TTaM, Read what you want into my 1st post, but I took a stand and got others to start actively discussing the vote for captaincy. At that time those were the best candidates, because all the others that showed interest were a bit too hotheaded for me.
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So Delling, by asking and trying to encourage votes for yourself while using your support vote for Vdti, you're keen to get the position but are very concerned about how you appear to others.
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Yeah, as I said on IRC, I am more than happy to lead if needed -- but if another good option appears, I am happy to follow. If Vdti (or Shiftey or Kawe) turns out to be a bad choice, I'll still be here.
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That's a good point. If a captain dies do we vote for a new one or is it a one time thing?
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That's a good point. If a captain dies do we vote for a new one or is it a one time thing?
Captain is a one time thing.
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Yeah, sorry, I meant if Vdti turns out to be a bad choice in the next 24 (48?) hours. He needs to post a bit more, that's for sure.
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##Support: Kawe
Being that kawe has been the only one to not actually shit stir but to actually consider the facts (out of the people i'd like to see as captain) i think this is a good reason to support him. Also, VDTI made _one_ post and is gaining a hell of a lot of support for it, especially from acclamied shit stirrer daekesh, this seems odd to me. The point he brought up about having the jailer to protect him, which kesh and dell are using as the basis for their support for him seems incredibly weak to me. The captain clearly needs protection, and thats how he would get it, i think everyone would have spotted that.
Clearly the captain is making himself a target, albeit not a massively important one, a one time kill isnt a massive deal and the double vote isnt a huge deal right now either, especially this early when we dont have much info to go on. I do think however that having some1 who knows the game somewhat/knows how to react as captain would be a good idea. Vdti wasnt in the last game and kawe was, kawe showed himself to be a good leader, albeit to the bad guys, i think we need that kind of play in our captain. Knowing nothing about either of them at this point i'm basing my vote for kawe solely on that fact.
Whether or not i actually support my own votes fully, i'm not sure yet, but i'm making them on the basis that as of right now kesh being a bit odd in my opinion and therefore casting the people he's voting for in a negative light, again this is just me.
##vote: TTaM
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Kendo rushing in after a days work!
Omg day 1, 15h into it and 10 pages already!
Still need to read some pages, but from what i have read right now is that there are alot of eager ppl rdy to go lynch people on no solid base. Its a bit early on the first day to go around.
One thing tho, think Shiftey aint rlly the best idea for Captain. For the only reason that it is Shiftey.
Not quite sure who would be, perhaps if i read the rest!
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The only thing I find suspicious is people jumping on the bandwagon on people who are obviously private because "he'll play poorly". They are either town that are going to get a lot of innocent people killed or rebel scum trying to get a early kill without much risk of it coming back to them.
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Who is obviously a private archz, do you know something we dont?
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After all this, you really think I'm mafia? :p You must've missed some of the irc talk and posts. I was stearing up some heat, trying to get myself killed by the rebel scum the first night by making some noice. Clearly I made too much
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Umm, i dont really understand ur post but i didnt say anything to suggest u were mafia..
I just find it odd that you'd choose to use the word obviously, the only people that would 'obviously' know are privates are the mafia as they kno who they are and by extension who the privates are...
(Also again, please dont use IRC, lots of people dont use it)
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the only people that would 'obviously' know are privates are the mafia as they kno who they are and by extension who the privates are...
(Also again, please dont use IRC, lots of people dont use it)
Rebels do not know the roles of the imperial soldiers, they can only guest who is private and who's got any power role
An I agree and make that point again, post as much information and all your reasoning in coherent posts in the thread. Yes.
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Aha, when I were talking about the
The only thing I find suspicious is people jumping on the bandwagon on people who are obviously private because "he'll play poorly".
I was talking about myself :p
When you said what you said it sounded like something else
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Aye shiftey, i didnt mean roles specifically, i just meant that the rebels know who arent rebels.
Archz, please be clearer when u post, that post, to me, made u sound suspicious.
Posts like that are why people say ur a poor player methinks.
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Sorry for not posting back earlier, still at work, and I have to get some shit done today. :P
I'm not claiming that the 'jail the captain' idea is the most genius and creative idea ever, I just simply stated it to bring attention to the fact that the captain is in a dangerous spot, and that is one way we can protect him.
As for Shiftey saying it was discussed on IRC before the game started, this is true. But it was also I who mentioned it then. Just to put it out there that I didn't 'steal' the idea to gain credibility.
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1. Palmar, If we don't use a separate thread for voting, we need some way of tallying them up, so we know how many each Lynch/Captain nominee has, especially if we do 10 pages in less than 24 hours. Maybe on the Day 1 link/tally on the first page?
While on that subject: ##Vote: Arches
2. I have a new job which requires me to commute to London 6 days a week, so I won't be posting much during the day, but will read and post in the evenings. Today is an exception as its a bank holiday. I am looking to get a new fancy mobile, so I can follow Irc/this thread while at work (while not getting fired).
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I will post occasional updates on the votecount, you could also... just count them yourself, lazy bastard.
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Don't we have droids for this shit?
Come on! By the time I get back from work tomorrow, I will have to read through like 15+ pages!
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Don't we have droids for this shit?
Come on! By the time I get back from work tomorrow, I will have to read through like 15+ pages!
Palmar-TO55-0P the Protocol Droid has been blasted to bits
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Hot topic seems to be our election of a Captain.
I've been reading through the invidual posts quite alot trying to find some sort of connection between all sorts of people..
there seem to be a slight connection between a few of the people of whom they vote and support.
Namely i notice that Sintrael and Tyler very quickly supports Kawe for the Captain's post. Which i find a bit strange, Kawe is no doubt a strong player, but as Delling pointed out, it might not be of the best interest for the Empire to have their strongest player (should Kawe be Imperial) at their highest post, since it makes him an easy target, it would have the effect as a double kill if the Rebels should get the captain down.
On the other side, as Kawe is this strong figure, he is easily manipulating already with people, with his all so long posts and walls of text trying to seem as Imperial as he can be trying to get us to believe that he is really one of us.
Then if he should turn out to not be part of the Empire we Imperials are major screwed by Electing him. And our only reason og electing him is so far that "Kawe is a good and strong player".. Yes i am aware that Kawe hasn't accused anyone by a vote or speech, but this could all be part of the plan should he be Rebel.
Another runner for captain is Vdti, which i generally think is a valid candidate for such post namely because of this idea with the jailor, yet i'm not sure that we have one, unless he is the jailor himself? If he is the jailor we need to know, because the jailor cannot jail himself as stated in the Role discription.. besides that i see Vdti as a solid choice.
The idea of a "puppet" captain, such as a private, wouldn't be a bad choice for the Empire, seing that if the person who is elected captain gets jailed he cant do any actions, and therefor having a blue run for captain, even troopers and bountys seems to be pointless as their abilities can get useful for the greater cause.
Having a Private/possible Droid be the captain increases the abilities we have to work with as Imperials. Which i generally like the idea of.
As I am a simple Imperial Fleet Private or Droid (i wouldn't know) that runs for Captain will support either me or Vdti (unless he is the Jailor) as captain.
##Support: Eetion
My vote is for myself because I am not sure of Vdti's role yet.
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Well, as I said in a previous post, I'm just a private. It would be stupid of the jailer to run for captain, as that would require another jailer on the imperial team to protect him, and we would in practice lose a jailer that cannot do anything.
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holy fucking shit 11 pages allready... and i havent read a thing well time to start reading
and after that time to start roleplaying Argus "Grishnag" Barbosa the disgrunteld TIE-Interceptor pilot
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Yes i am aware that Kawe hasn't accused anyone by a vote or speech, but this could all be part of the plan should he be Rebel.
No you're not, kawe has voted for arches and in speech, he accused or poked quite a few people here and there. Although nothing too major, just a very cautious approach.
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Yes i am aware that Kawe hasn't accused anyone by a vote or speech, but this could all be part of the plan should he be Rebel.
No you're not, kawe has voted for arches and in speech, he accused or poked quite a few people here and there. Although nothing too major, just a very cautious approach.
Again, Archz also Supports Kawe for captain, so im yet to consider these votes against archz all too serious of suspicousness..
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Shankski: Wanted to be captain until somebody pointed out that it's very suspicious - then claims he's just having fun. A red backing out to allay suspicion?
It was pointed out that it was suspicious BEFORE I made the poster, that was the whole point of the joke.
Kawe is playing a very different game this time round he is giving a lot more input and information on his thoughts. This leads me to believe he would be a good candidate for captain. However, he could just be playing this game like a boss again mixing up his strats and if he is rebel we would be royally fucked. Currently I'm undecided.
Sint, Hugman, Kesh, Tyler and Starbrow have all voted early. I think its too early to start pointing fingers as we have very little to go on. Could be an early attempt for the Rebels to sway the votes.
Chip is acting weird to me, very quick to put the blame on someone as well as mentioning that anyone going for captain is "clearly" rebel scum. One to keep an eye on for sure. But I thought that about Rucious in the last game and he turned out to be a doc.
With regards to who will be captain I agree with most people that Dell, Tyler or Vdti. Personally not Kawe for reasons previously mentioned. Need some more convincing before i put my support down.
A few people also still being quiet maybe due to work and other things, and due to the fact this thread is massive already. However, you need to step up soon and have some input before it starts looking suspicious.
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Just noticed that Chip and Kawe have also voted early. I will be watching...
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This isn't the jedi you're looking for
I'm just having a huge laugh at how much you guys are "reading into" things :p
Just to be clear this is the reason I am voting Arches. "You guys" is quite a give away. Worst. Jedi. Ever. However if someone more convincing comes up I will change my vote. As it stands though its a win-win, rebel scum or bad imperial.
As for captain I think Mouse would be a good choice. She made a nice balanced post.
Dell has been acting a bit odd. Last game he was all for killing Archz as he is as useful as a chocolate teapot, imperial or not. This game he seems to be more interested in posting random pictures and shit stirring.
Shank: voting early is good. We have to lynch this round, lets poke some people and see what they have got. If we leave it too late there is no chance to gauge a reaction.
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Eetion: I've said it before, Palmar has explained it before, and here it is again. If you are working on the basis of paranoia and doubt, especially when it's the beginning of the game and we're outnumbering the mafia greatly, you're very much playing into rebel hands.
Indecision and paranoia are their greatest allies. Furthermore, being overly concerned with preserving every aspect of every blue power is also not what we should be prioritising - we could win with votes alone. The important thing is to remain calm, and not allow paranoia to creep in, and continually assess things according to the situation.
You're correct not to take a tremendous amount of seriousness over initial votes, other than perhaps to keep in mind who is very hesitant to cast a vote at all.
Everyone: The more posting we have, the more we can identify patterns, the more we can spot those quiet, and so on. Essentially, if you simply just take part in the game as you should as a townie, you are doing your job. Oddities in posting manner such as TTaM's are what to look out for.
Lack of conviction; shakiness of purpose; fear of speaking clearly; a focus on the possible doubts... these are things to watch for. Never forget that keeping a fast pace - posts, votes, everything - is in our favour. It takes more time to concoct lies and excuses than it does to simply speak the truth.
Mouseh as a captain is something I would be willing to support, though I wouldn't mind seeing more activity to go with it.
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So have gone thru the 11 pages now :
Kawe : either indirectly (or his words, making mentals notes) or directly accused Shankski, Shiftey, Chippen, Vorte, Arches, Nach. Finally votes for Arches cause of bad play? Seems a bit low for someone that played brilliantly last game, with good answers and so on.
Starbrow : votes Archz, cause Kawe said so. Suspicious.
Tyler : votes Archz, votes Archz again, votes Archz once more. Argument, is bad play... same like with Kawe expected a little more. Also supicious for following Kawe like Starbrow.
Eetion: follows Tyler, great choice, seeing he did kill lotsa towns ppl last game. N0. 4 for following... i see something going on with you 4!
Instrikt and Chippen : votes for Vorte cause he did not see any SW movie... K logical choice (not).
Hugman : votes Arches just randomly, nothing to back it up.
TTaM : Oh man, you see complots in complots surrounded by more webs with complots with a silver outlining of complots.
However you voted Kawe. Like me i see great logic in that tbh, he has made quite a fuss already early on. Also his voting and the reason seems a bit flimsy.
Based on this : ##Vote: Kawe
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I'm just holding off on casting a lynch vote.
It wasn't a random picture -- it was my candidacy picture, because everyone else was making one. It took me 30 minutes to make!
Again, Tyler, no majority vote is required to get a lynching. Archz might still hang, but if I'm not sure about it, I'd rather abstain. Voting records are important!
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I wouldn't be opposed to Mouse being captain(ess), either.
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Shank: voting early is good. We have to lynch this round, lets poke some people and see what they have got. If we leave it too late there is no chance to gauge a reaction.
I know Tyler but we do have a large amount of time for this first day. Since we don't need the majority of votes anymore its just the person with the most votes who get lynched someone will be lynched by tonight.
I agree that poking people and judging their reaction is the right way to go. However, doing this by voting early just looks a bit suspicious and all I'm saying is it could be an early attempt by the Rebels to sway the vote.
People already seem to be quite certain about Archz and the day has barely begun, yes he did play the game badly last time but it would be stupid if he didn't learn from his mistakes. Rebel may just see him as an easy target to get him lynched. I'm not defending him but personally I'm quite suspicious of people who have voted for him.
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Eetion: I've said it before, Palmar has explained it before, and here it is again. If you are working on the basis of paranoia and doubt, especially when it's the beginning of the game and we're outnumbering the mafia greatly, you're very much playing into rebel hands.
I'm not working out of paranoia or anything, im trying to say that you, kawe, is a strong asset to the Imperials, should you be one. Blue/green/red - captain or not. By electing you captain we take a bigger chance than needed. It's just my humble point of view, but i just don't see the need of a electing an already powerful player to become even more "powerful"
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Instrikt and Chippen : votes for Vorte cause he did not see any SW movie... K logical choice (not).
Not watching the SW films should be a crime punishable by death.
I believe Kawe is playing a very strong game for the Imperials so far, i agree (mostly) with his reasoning.
##Support: Kawe
I also completely agree with Tyler's reasoning when it comes to lynching Arches. Whether he be a Rebel or useless Imperial it's a good choice because it's so early in the game.
##Unvote: Vorte
##Vote: Arches
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I am just gonna extend on what Kendoki said right now.
Right in his first post kawe said and I quote:
"the people who are keen to use such a flimsy pretext to lynch - they're either stupid, sore, or straight-up after lynching an Imperial. Or a combination of the above."
And putting me on that list because I apparently used flimsy pretext to lynch someone. Thing is... I have yet to post anything at this point and certainly not accusing anyone of anything yet at all (unlike kawe perhaps?... explanation follows)
Then he switched his interested to Arches, quite understandably for his retarded comments once again and adding a bit more fuel to the fire with Nach's comment. Remember tough, a similar argument with people's reaction to certain events (notably mine after the 2 mafia died during the night in previous game) can be very missleading, we cannot read too much into that right now. Let's leave that.
Then kawe makes few posts that are supposed to make him look contributing without in fact contributing anything at all, saying things like he's going to sleep, or asking people to post more.
Then an accusation against him was dismissed by, weak non-sensical post and once more asking for people to post more, however, this is followed by an extensive defensive post from kawe. Who are the people who'd be so keen on defending themselfs? I for one can say that now I understand why I got lynched in previous game. Yet another weird sign. And in the same post he announces running for Captain?
Also all of the things Kendoki mentioned in his post apply for me and I support his reasoning. Therefore
##Vote: Kawe
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Personal Log: Private 1st. Class Argus Barbosa; Callsign "Grishnag"
Date: ABY4.05.30
Entry: #1
My ass is rather hard after a 9 hour CAP with nothing more to do then flying circle's around the Star Destroyer in my TIE-Interceptor, How i wish i was back in the battle for Hoth atleast we had something to do shooting some rebel scum and their poorly desinged Y-wings was atleast fun.
But just now when i got back from the CAP i got informed that the High Admiral was shot and killed by some rebel scum, I dont understand why they would be here i mean this ship is patrolling the ass end of nowhere and the admiral... well the admiral is an incompetent oaf, why they shot him and his protocol driod i may never understand
I wish i was never drafted for this stupid war sure the rebels are bad enough as it is but cant they see its futile to fight the empire?
Thanks to them i'm in this mess, I had such nice plans to for my life open a bar on Coruscant and fuck as many Twi'lek Whores as possible, But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO these rebel bastards just had to start fighting and destroying the death star and what good did do? Nothing i tell you NOTHING hell the battle for Hoth alone is proof enough for that they lost many troops and equipment there, If it wasnt for that Moronic admiral Ozzel entering in range of the rebel scanners we wouldnt be having to patroll this part of the galaxy, Nothing is coming from this side no rebels have been here there are just some planetoids and asteroids nothing else, Cant even get useable materials from these barren rocks.
Hmm seems i've been ranting for some time, I think its time to get to the Canteen and get a drink and see what the latest Gossip about this death is
Entry: #1 End
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So you know.
I voted Arches because as a blue, he played very very badly last game, and was a strong factor in why we lost.
This game he could be anything. However, based on how he played last game + what he has posted so far, I can assume he is either a bad Rebel, a bad blue, or a very bad townie.
If we lynch him and it turns out he is rebel, brilliant. If he turns up blue, then he should be shouting like a bitch, nearer the lynching time (and if he is a red doing this, and it saves him, then the day after it will become very apparent he is red) in order to save himself and be useful. If he is a green, well.. as far as i am concerned, Arches is a liability to us; and I would rather risk losing him as a green, than other greens who will play intelligently and contribute (even if it means their death) to the Empire wining.
Since it is day one, and there is no basis whatsoever proving someone is or isn't rebel, I would rather go with someone I have seen to be useless to the Empire. If he is Imperial, and he hangs, well then we can use the data on who contributed to getting him hanged, to help sort out our rebel suspects.
Arches doesn't play intelligently as a green. He jokes around and confuses people, and then wonders why they all suspect him, which, if he is Imperial, is counter productive.
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I cant use bold....
##Vote: Kawe
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Nice post Grish 8)
Though disgruntled pilots have reason to turn rebel.
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(Don't want to derail, but that was an amazing post, Grish, you big... roleplayer, you!)
Damn, both Shiftey and Hugman put forward strong cases for Kawe and Arches.
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well the rebels ARE the reason i get drafted in to this military
##Support: Kawe
since he played a mighty fine game last time
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Since it is day one, and there is no basis whatsoever proving someone is or isn't rebel, I would rather go with someone I have seen to be useless to the Empire. If he is Imperial, and he hangs, well then we can use the data on who contributed to getting him hanged, to help sort out our rebel suspects.
Arches doesn't play intelligently as a green. He jokes around and confuses people, and then wonders why they all suspect him, which, if he is Imperial, is counter productive.
I strongly agree with what Hug is pointing out here, losing him might be for the greater good if he turns up as Imperial.
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well the rebels ARE the reason i get drafted in to this military
##Support: Kawe
since he played a mighty fine game last time
I'm still of the belief that it is too weak of an argument that "kawe played well last game" to elect him Captain.
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True Et, but with limited knowledge decisions need to be based on something.
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Arches doesn't play intelligently as a green. He jokes around and confuses people, and then wonders why they all suspect him, which, if he is Imperial, is counter productive.
If I were mafia, you really think that I would stir up some heat on the very first day? Every argument to lynch me I've heard is just "buhu he played bad the first game, let's kill him" and frankly you are either retarded or a mafia trying to score a early kill and hoping it won't come back to you.
Pay close attention to the votes, if all the mafia vote for the same person, they are likely to get a lynch since we no longer need the majority
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With limited knowledge Yoica, i see Vdti as a relatively safer choice of election than Kawe.
See it like this.
All the imperials are a card of the 13 cards in a suit.
A strong player (could be Kawe) is thought of as an Ace.
Why elect someone who is already at the top lvl of the deck to be more powerful, when he is already a strong asset to the team. When the reasons of doing this is "He played well last game" is the actual only one.
Instead elect someone that you aswell based on this small amount of knowledge can believe is part of the Empire, so that we can get a 2nd Ace should Kawe be either manipulating or shot dead. Spreading the Aces is better than focusing on having 1 trumph card should it be eliminated.
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All these people that are early jumping onto arches is pretty worrying. Keep an eye on early voters, its pretty easy to get people off your trail if you start shouting someone's name and everyone joins in.
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Archz -- the problem is that we can't trust you to play sensibly. It doesn't matter what colour you are if you're not reliable.
Imagine going to war, but you've got a crazy guy in your squadron who just can't keep his mouth shut. You either kill him yourself, or he shouts in the middle of the night and draws attention to your entire squad.
Greater good and all that!
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Pay close attention to the votes, if all the mafia vote for the same person, they are likely to get a lynch since we no longer need the majority
Except that there is currently 21 Imperials to 6 Rebels. If all the Rebels vote for the same person, that would be retared, as it would cast suspicion on all of them. No more likely they will spread it a bit, maybe throwing 3 towards getting an Imperial lynch.
While I am voting the way I am, based upon what I stated earlier, I am also watching if anyone comes to you defense Arches, as that will help me decide if you have any rebel supporters or not. If no one speaks in your defense, it could be likely you are Imperial. But that gets into heavy WIFOM.
Anyway, you have brought this upon yourself Arches, by your actions. Unless we can shake lose another, better candidate to be Rebel (which as I stated before, at this point, there is no reliable proof whatsoever), it makes sound logic, to go with what I stated.
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Fuck it, I give up. Good luck
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Courtesy of Matt, who is both a gentleman and an awesome programmer, we now have an IRC bot that counts the votes for us.
It will only count properly formatted votes, so you better bloody do it right. Remember the bolded part and remember the hash tags.
You can check the current score on IRC using !mafia votes
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Fuck it, I give up. Good luck
(Goes and grabs the "doing a Shiftey" stamp)
Its the first 24 hours of day 1.
Be less of a retard.
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Fuck it, I give up. Good luck
Modkill inc?
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Fuck it, I give up. Good luck
wow... that quick
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Fuck it, I give up. Good luck
Welcome to Iron Edge Mafia II
There are a few simple rules, and some changes:
4. Play to win. Any meta-game strategies or intentionally losing because you think your team is stupid is forbidden. Getting yourself modkilled for your advantage is banned. Play the game, win the game. Don't ruin the fun.
10. Don't be a dick.
Just reminding you Archz..
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Hey it's better to lynch a Private than doing one at random and hitting a blue. So go ahead
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Are you actually giving up? I think it's better if you stay in -- we can't afford to lose any 'bonus' imperials.
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Anyway, you have brought this upon yourself Arches, by your actions. Unless we can shake lose another, better candidate to be Rebel (which as I stated before, at this point, there is no reliable proof whatsoever), it makes sound logic, to go with what I stated.
But is it? It might be better to keep an known idiot alive because you know him to be idiot. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Also we all know how Arch is, you just need to read his posts differently than most. He's a hothead and post what ever comes mind 1st which is were the inconsistencies appear.
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Disregard post, didn't see Arch's last one.
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Still your intentionally doing this, why is it you are playing your role like this? Is it because you were chosen as a private and have no "ability power"? Why is it you are losing an innocent for the Empire this early?
It is just weird to sign up fo a game when you are intentionally griefing your role already.
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All I did was to stir up some heat trying to get myself killed during the night like a proper Private. Instead you follow Hugman and Tylers retarded grudge, have you actually seen me post anything suspicious? Yet he goes on about how I brought it upon myself? Next time just let the privates say suspicious stuff to lure in the mafia.
Also, "hothead"? Really? :p
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I'm having very busy day today I had barely time to refresh the posts and run through them. In addition to that I'm not the person who talks much, I don't like rash decisions or accusations without some solid reason. For that reason I decided it would be wise if I delay voting/support until I have more information on the subject.
I was going to support Kawe for the Captain role, as I'm sure that IF hes Empire he would do the job better than anyone else. And I kinda trust him now, BUT if we make the mistake and hes actually rebel that could be game-breaking mistake - thats my main doubt, even if theres slightest risk of him being rebel is it worth losing the game cuz of it? I have yet to decide :/
Then I saw someone mentioned me for a captain, and some supported this (?), which surprised me a lot, I never thought people would want me for such important role. But I could do - in the interest of the Empire. As I have no special power and I'm active on forums I could execute that role well, in that purpose i'm nominating myself. If people start voting for me I'm gonna vote for myself as well, but for now still undecided :)
sorry for the bad eng and all, i'm writing this in hurry going afk every 2min :/
Warning - while you were typing 24 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Just look at that lol.
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Right now, no mafia would ever jump to defend Archz in any way. But since I am a private in imperial army, I am willing to do that.
People are voting Archz based on fact he's a retard, and everything seems to be following the same pattern which led to lynching me. Sure enough I acted like a retard and I acted like a mafia would. But due to Archz being bad, the history is repeating itself.
Are you really surprised he wants to give up when you accuse him based on his poor performance? I am not. And I am also fairly convinced he's innocent, he doesnt fit the profile we are searching for right now. At least not on day 1.
Open the print version of this thread and use the search option to check people's posts and arguments. There's a lot of things that stick out to be found.
Do not make the same mistake twice. Do not kill a private.
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WELL THEN
##Vote: Shiftey
since you are a rebel scum
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All I did was to stir up some heat trying to get myself killed during the night like a proper Private. Instead you follow Hugman and Tylers retarded grudge, have you actually seen me post anything suspicious? Yet he goes on about how I brought it upon myself? Next time just let the privates say suspicious stuff to lure in the mafia.
Also, "hothead"? Really? :p
WHY WOULD YOU TRY AND GET YOURSELF KILLED NIGHT ONE BY BEING NOISY?
THAT IS RETARDED.
The first night kills are for the quiet ones, as they are likely blues.
Day one of last game, I threw out some totally random accusations, one of which hit Tyler. We then got into a big posting slugging match, and by the end of the day I had jumped up to lynching candidate numero uno! The Rebels logically went for the quiet ones, and got a blue. Me and Tyler survived the night, and then, based on what we had posted/voted/said, we worked out we were both green.
You "BEING NOISY AND DISTRACTING, AND FRANKLY EMO" doesn't confuse the Rebels at all, only the Imperials. The Rebels know who the Rebels are, they are looking for the blues.
Stop being stupid, and play to win, or I get to blow you out the airlock.
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Connect two nodes between your two brain cells and think Hugman.
Why would a private try to get the mafia to kill him during the night?
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omgaaaa, Archz is one of those... special-when-dead roles!
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What hugman said really.
Archz you arent playing the smartest part for the Empire just trying to get yourself killed.
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Fine I'll start the next game with "whoho I'm a private don't kill me!" and let them pick of the blues that are trying to fly under the radar
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##Vote: Shiftey
since you are a rebel scum
Please do explain your reasoning so everyone can follow your train of thought. All votes must be transparent, so people can have as many information as possible to make rational decisions.
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I think Grish misunderstood your deductive reasoning :p
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Arch could be learning from his mistakes and almost triple bluffing us.
For example him acting retarded would give him the excuse to say "why would i be so stupid and get myself killed" thus covering himself.
Maybe he's being smart this time and decided to act overly stupid.
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(http://i53.tinypic.com/25art09.jpg)
I.... just... No.
I am done talking to Arches.
Gonna work on who I think should be Captain.
Now that I think about it, I always get the image of a "Warhammer 40k Commissar" when I think of this role.
You know like, using his day lynch and going "In the name of the Emperor I execute you for Treason!" and BAMM! Headshot.
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I cant tell if Shiftey just has a vendetta toward kawe for some reason or actually has something logical to say, that post up there didnt actually have any substance to it Shiftey... you just outlined what Kawe has done so far which i'm pretty sure everyone can see.
@Doomslay, early voting promotes talk, makes people react (or not react). It gives us more information, which we are sorely lacking.
@Arches, give up what? you havent defended urself u just qq that people are "reading into things" and saying that ur a bad player... (you giving up is kinda strengthening that idea no?)
After consideration i'm changing my vote to arches as well, i think hugman hit the nail on the head that arches is just going to be a liability either way.
Its a bit of an odd situation we find ourselves in i feel, i still support kawe for captain as i think he'd make an extremely strong one and i dont think he's mafia, yet. I also feel that getting a captain early would be beneficial as we can somewhat 'direct' mafia play by making himself the only clear target. But i feel that waiting for the first night to end would reveal some information as to whether its a good idea to make kawe captain as it would indeed be catastrophic if he was a rebel, as mouse pointed out. On that note, i would support mouse for captain as well should she gain popularity, i like how sensible she's being.
I'm not at all saying that vdti would make a bad captain, but i am seriously getting suspicious of everyone thats voting for him as captain. 3 of the 4 voters (delling, et, kesh) said they support him based on the fact he said that protecting the captain by jailing him is a good idea. Does this not seem incredibly weird? Jailing the captain is the ONLY way to protect him, is there anyone playing the game that doesnt realise this most basic of principles? Having 3 people go "oh, what a good idea, i never would have thought of that incredibly simple idea myself so i'll vote for him" (obviously i'm exaggerating slightly, but to me thats what it sounds like) It soudns to me like kesh, delling et are trying to sway votes toward vdti.
However, again, i have no actual evidence that this is the case, its just speculation on my part, read it as you will.
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Arches
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All I did was to stir up some heat trying to get myself killed during the night like a proper Private.
/facepalm
Acting like a Jedi will not get you killed at night, it will get you lynched. You are bad either way Archz. If I was rebel scum I would try as hard as I could to keep you around.
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##Vote: Shiftey
since you are a rebel scum
Please do explain your reasoning so everyone can follow your train of thought. All votes must be transparent, so people can have as many information as possible to make rational decisions.
it would probably be a wasted vote to vote for shiftey at this stage and i may change it... since we still have 48 hours to go
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(http://i.imgur.com/X0dqr.jpg)
Just for the record, I am in fact running for captain.
Also I suggest you check the posts of all the candidates so far.
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forgot my colon -.-
##vote: Arches
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FORGOT BOLD AND CAPITAL V
##Vote: Arches
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Not needing a majority changes nothing regarding the lack of downsides for voting early as town. Voting records are important, but the only reason you'd put so much stock in the day1 non-final voting record that you won't cast one until you have to is if you're paranoid, scum, or don't fully understand the game.
There's no reason to tip-toe around sharing your suspicions of people as though we're stepping on eggshells and will lose if we mislynch one on the first day. If we're wrong on the first day it's fine. We learn, we keep going, and we don't succumb to doubt and the excuses that are made - which, by the way, are a reasonable tell.
Eetion: Things like "this guy seems like an Imperial, but what if he's just a rebel who is pretending to act this way because that's how an imperial will act" is a particularly slippery slope of thought pattern, and one that will get us nowhere. Think about it - if you don't trust people because you think they seem trustworthy and it could be a trick... you get the idea. When it comes to captaincy votes, it's pretty much as you say. If you're keen for not-me as captain, I suggest we support Mouseh.
Shanks: Being so concerned with rebels, of which there are a measly 6, swaying our 21 votes, 22 on at least the first day counting double vote from captain, is at most vaguely valid. But silly. It is also very peculiar to be worried about looking suspicious if you're innocent - see what I mentioned before about conviction. Imperials should have no real concern about being lynched right now - if one of us is mislynched, it's okay at this stage.
Hugman: That's fairly sound logic, though I think Yoica's concern is reasonable enough too. I've been expecting your posts all day after last game, good to finally see some.
Once again, remember, as an Imperial, you do not and in fact should not act with concern about looking suspicious. This applies especially to voting. Doomslay, remember that voting early does no harm to the town, as you can change vote, and has potential harm to the rebels. This can only be good for us.
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Shanks: It is also very peculiar to be worried about looking suspicious if you're innocent - see what I mentioned before about conviction. Imperials should have no real concern about being lynched right now - if one of us is mislynched, it's okay at this stage.
I'm not sure what I've done to be worried about looking suspicious? Please enlighten me
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OK, you talk a lot of sense. And I admit, I don't know the rules of the game very well (I didn't last very long last time, and I still haven't read any strategy guides... will do that tonight.)
##Vote: Arches
I'm still weary of voting for you as captain, though. Too many eggs in one basket. It's like... the ultimate high-risk-high-reward gamble.
I'm leaning towards Mouseh atm, unless Vdti rummages up something amazing tonight.
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Fukkn...
Vote:: Arches
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So many things in kawe's last post are double talks or even more. Just recurring themes and ideas and points in few of his posts already, bring basically nothing new. Only a rebel would have this kind of motivation, in order to look like contributing imperial soldier.
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##Vote: Arches
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So Kawe, let me ask, what are your thoughts of Vdti as a Captain, now that you encourage people to all of a sudden go support Mouseh and you completely avoided him? Are we just randomly throwing a new candidate for captain?
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FWIW, I hope people can take Shiftey seriously -- he is opposing Kawe, but that doesn't mean his points are any less valid.
At this point, there's no reason to trust Kawe's analysis over Shiftey's.
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I agree that poking people and judging their reaction is the right way to go. However, doing this by voting early just looks a bit suspicious and all I'm saying is it could be an early attempt by the Rebels to sway the vote.
Shanks, I was referring to this. I get that it's not the primary thrust of what you were saying, but the worry is in there, unless I misunderstood you.
Eetion: As has been stated by Sintrael, Vdti's post has been less well measured than Mouseh's, and then suddenly backed in quick succession by several people without any basis - and it's that that makes me feel uneasy about it. You bringing it up so forcefully does nothing to dispel this feeling.
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I'm still weary of voting for you as captain, though. Too many eggs in one basket. It's like... the ultimate high-risk-high-reward gamble.
I agree with this.
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Well anyone who acts suspiciously at this stage just increases the levels of confusion in the game. People should worry about acting suspiciously because it could get them wrongly lynched. I know it doesn't matter too much at this stage of the game but it still could be avoided.
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I feel Kendoki's vote has gone a little unnoticed, and I agree with him so
##Vote: Kawe
I can't make a support vote yet, I'm leaning towards Vdti but he has only posted 2/3 times or so. (Post moar Vdti)
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God damn amount of posts, good thing the day is far from over and there's plenty of time to analyse - been out most of the day, and got the great arrival of Nachmanoun tomrrow..!
Anyway, I was thinking of giving my vote to Vdti this morning(for Captain) but right now I'm simply not very sure..
Kesh seems to follow the trend of posting he had last time, which I must admit is ringing a few alarm bells for me. Other than that I didn't pick up much, Shankski also a bit odd to me, but I was wrong about him last game :P
And wtf Arches :|
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Had it been something close to a rational argument, "you made a big fuss about nightfall coming, you must be rebel scum", "privates should be terrified about being killed during the night, you're not!", "is that a lightsaber or are you just happy to see me?"
But just plain "you played poorly in the previous game, so we're going to kill you" I cba to indulge that. Do as you please. If I were a blue I'd make a bigger effort not getting lynched.
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I think it's more a case of you said something along the lines of "the force is strong in me." It's like saying "They call me don, done archeone."
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I made one of the few star wars references I know in a star wars themed mafia game :p oh joy
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And you made the wrong one.
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This really makes me doubt ttam more than Archz. This is like me saying 30 minutes in to the first game.
"Im the doctor"
"True story" on irc.
Bad jokes say nothing about who you are.
I would not at all think a guy joking about being Don Archeoni was mafia.
We still have more than 48 hours left right?
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Sintrael: Just a small comment here, we cannot delay the voting for captain, as Tuesday 23:59 the one with the highest support count will become the captain.
As for me for captain, the only reason I joined the race was to avoid a rebel being elected. I was weary of Kawe in the beginning as he was getting some of the votes, but I'm most definitely not sure of anything at this point, nobody can be. I simply feel that voting for Kawe is too much of a gamble at this point, simply because I know he played a really good last game. :P
Now, if Kawe is an imperial private, I honestly believe he would be a great captain, probably better than me, but I'm not sure it's worth the risk of swinging the balance so much on the first day.
As for Mouseh, if I remember correctly, it was Kawe that suggested her in the first place, so that automatically makes me a bit skeptic of her as well, even though she's said a lot of good stuff.
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Aye good point, i forgot about the highest supportvote thing.
What u said about voting kawe in for captain makes sense, but likewise it applies to you as well remember
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Because studying is boring I spend more time going through the posts: let's now look at TTaM
He started the game by pointing a finger on kawe and posting a retarded picture. (Basically same approach as before, but I dont wanna compare that)
His gameplan then involved feeding an imperial cat. To be fair any random posts that lack any relevancy or information that could be use to track the rebels or any contribution to the cause, could be an indicator of a rebel. Because such player obviously want to pretend being part of the discussion and make himself look like contributing, while in fact he's just banging around. But in itself it isnt anything criminal yet. Let's go on.
In next step he picks 3 players that remotely look like working together, Delling, Kawe and Yoica (for all we know that could be true :P) and accuses them of plotting. But he doesnt actually put together any evidence, it's another one of those posts that is to look like contribution.
That is followed by asking for other people to post. Could also be viewed as a rebel indicator, because quantity of posts only creates chaos, it's the quality that matters. Chaos is good for the rebels, not good for us.
He then makes a fairly good looking player assessment post. But in closer inspection he still accuses those 3 same people and everybody else who wants to become captain from being rebels. That is very short sighted. Let's move on.
What I think speaks in his favour on the other hand is his opposition to Archz bandwagon. I think that it's very unlikely for Archz being the rebel and I also think in case he is, it's very unlikely in this position for any rebel to actually defend him.
Then he goes on saying: "we need to shed some light on the jedi traitors". That's a very nice sentiment, but it's just declarative, yet another possible indicator of a rebel trying to pass under the radar as imperial soldier.
However all this is followed by some irrelevant posts and pictures with jokes and star wars theme, cute but useless.
He then says: "need to analyse what they are posting to see if any information can be gleaned from between the lines". Yet another contribution of non-contribution, he calls for another analysis, but avoids doing any at all, just in case.
That's about it so far, another player assessment from Shiftey workshop...
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This really makes me doubt ttam more than Archz. This is like me saying 30 minutes in to the first game.
"Im the doctor"
"True story" on irc.
Bad jokes say nothing about who you are.
I would not at all think a guy joking about being Don Archeoni was mafia.
We still have more than 48 hours left right?
I haven't voted for Arch, remember.
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I'm actually liking the idea of Mouse for captain. As ET said it's better to have to 2 aces than one. Kawe is already a strong player and if we can combine that with a captain who weighs things carefully, it will be a better situation.
##Support: Mouseh
Might as well cast a vote on my current suspicions.
##Vote: TTaM
You've been way too pro-active at pointing fingers from the start. I realise this will only play into your conspiracy about me and Kawe being rebels. I can only say the way it looks now is that Kawe will get lynched and you'll see how wrong you were.
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TTaM has already made some interesting major inconsistancies evident of himself.
TTaM said about Dell:
Seems against Archz, but when votes start pouring in for him and Vorte, is suddenly against Lynching early. Then suggests lynching Chippen. Seems he wants to save Archz or Vorte.
At this point, Delling has said absolutely nothing about Arches. This supposed sudden change didn't exist. TTaM is painting Delling as suspicious, and Chippen as therefore a victim, after:
As you all know, only Vader and Palpatine plushies are allowed on this here star destroyer.
LYNCH HIM I SAY!
where Delling is pretty obviously joking around.
So at this point, TTaM is painting Delling as suspicous, and linked with Yoica and me, and Arches or Vorte too.
From TTaM's same 'analysis' post, we see him remain completely neutral towards chippen, despite an actual vote based on nonsese, for Vorte - infact, TTaM is almost making an excuse for it
Chippen: Started the anti-Vorte vote. Perhaps in jest, perhaps not.
Now says that he thinks arches is simply just playing badly
Archz: Playing either a really good or really bad game. I suspect the latter... again.
despite having brought up the implication he is connected with Delling.
He also suggests that Arches is colluding with Blackwhale
Blackwhale: Defending Archz, despite poor play by him. Knows something we dont?
and Eetion
Eetion: Very keen to insinuate himself into the empire. Also posted out against lynching early after the Archz and Vorte votes came in.
AND Nach
Nach: Perhaps shown his hand with Archz.
So far, from this post, TTaM has suggested that: Yoica, Vorte, Delling, Eetion, Nach, Blackwhale and myself are all colluding with Arches indirectly and with each other (despite my vote being for arches at this point). That's eight people. Of whom one is voting for another and the other.
That's not all.
He is also suggesting that by voting for Arches/Vorte (and being only the second person each vote target to do so), Tyler and Emptyy are bandwagoner mafias
Emptyy, Tyler: Very keen to jump on the Archz bandwagon. Bandwagons are Mafia territory.
So now he's also labelling Emptyy and Tyler as being suspect mafia because they used their vote. Soemthing we've established is good for the town to do.
He's not done yet though. In a turn of fantastic irony after calling out two people as bandwagoners for being the second each to cast their votes on a given person, he is suddenly no longer thinking meekly that 'oh maybe arches is just bad' and is now into taunting him - but only once there's a whopping seven votes on arches and arches himself has resigned himself to being lynched.
I think it's more a case of you said something along the lines of "the force is strong in me." It's like saying "They call me don, done archeone."
andAnd you made the wrong one.
Which if nothing else, is interesting to note because: why would anyone who is unsure of Arches' faction - which none of us, even those who have supported an Arches lynch, have claimed to be even vaguely sure of - be practically gloating about him being killed? Any townie at this point who believed arches a likely lynch is interested to see the result, and hopeful it's mafia - but a million miles from gloating when we're so unsure he's mafia and almost just voting on a practicality and a lack of other more solid ideas.
As a small aside, and something we can keep a continued eye on, it is interesting to note that TTaM went after Eetion and Delling after each of them took even joking pot-shots at Chippen. There was another moment in IRC that made me consider this possible link, but as it was IRC I will indeed be leaving it out until there's more solid stuff. But Chippen's behaviour has, on its own merits, been quite odd and erratic.
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##Vote: Intrinsic
i have no reason at all to vote for anyone. So im just going to pick a random as everyone has a equal chance of being rebals
i think that people should maybe look at the captain spot abit different. insted of trying to give a good player more power. pick one that you think is harmless so either way that rank will ultimately not make or break the game for us.
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:(
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##Vote: Intrinsic
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i think that people should maybe look at the captain spot abit different. insted of trying to give a good player more power. pick one that you think is harmless so either way that rank will ultimately not make or break the game for us.
This is a rebel speaking right here!
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no this is low risk-> low reward. so if we do make a mistake by picking a rebel as captain it will not lose us the game.
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##Unvote: Arches
##Vote: TTaM
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Since there are 2 strong posts against TTaM on this very page, both with some compelling arguments and points. I am changing my vote.
##Unvote: Kawe
##Vote: TTaM
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Very interesting look at stuff Kawe, and starting to convince myself that you might not be on tha badies side, since i aswell noticed the slight link between TTam and Chippen. Which both nearly instantly pointed fingers at me being a rebel and such.
Even chippen supports TTam for the election as Captain..
I've reconsidered my supports and also considered my vote.
##Unsupport: Eetion
##Support: Mouseh
Mainly i think Mouseh have been making great sense, and as Yoica also said, she might be the "neutral" target for the Captains post that we need.
##Vote: TTaM
I dont like the slight link between Chippen and TTaM.. they seem somehow coordinated in the start of the game of whom to point fingers at, and all they do is stirring the pot..
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In light of the resent posts here, I'm going to have to vote for TTaM as well. The posts against him are the most thorough here, and have convinced me so far.
##Vote: TTaM
As for my candidacy for captain, I'm still retaining my position, even though TTaM is one of my supporters. For all we know, he (and other rebels) might want to gain trust by voting in someone from the imperial guard and take advantage of that later on.
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I've said nothing inconsistent. I was simply looking at what people posted to see if I could see any reason behind it. Looking at them individually and speculating. Everyone keeps saying people need to post so we can learn more, but if we try to learn we are lynched? I see.
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##Unvote: Arches
##Vote: TTaM
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For what it's worth, I think Kesh has been fairly consistent _at the time of posting_. Kawe has taken all of his comments and placed them out of context.
Again, we hardly know anything right now. Kesh can jump to one conclusion, and I can jump to another, but that doesn't mean one of us is right or wrong, sane or insane. Taking his comments out of context removes any real chance of seeing the sanity behind Kesh's commentary.
Kesh might have said too much compared to how much we _actually_ know -- but it's better to say something than nothing, right?
Unless it ends up in a big, damning post that makes you look insane, of course... :P
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I don't think they were out of context; most of them were from a single post. Posting more is definitely good, but the general theme of TTaM's posts and chatter has been 'stirring'. An imperial's job is not to be casting doubt in such a fashion and creating chaos, but carefully producing quality posts.
As an aside, I forgot to mention one other thing about TTaM's rebuttal to Graxlos: I haven't voted for Arch, remember.
Voted, no, gloated, yes.
Essentially, TTaM has powerfully overtaken Arches as a pretty good day 1 lynch option; if he's not rebel, he's sure not serving the Empire very well either.
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True enough.
I think I still need to get into the swing of how this game is played.
But yeah, I can't see us being significantly weakened by losing either Archz or Kesh -- as long as they're not blues, anyway.
(Incidentally, if either of you are blues, you should probably speak up now?)
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In response to delling here, speaking up now as a blue is probably not the best idea. There's still 49 hours left until the lynching, so a blue looking at the possibility of being lynched should try to get out of it another way and only reveal him self if there's no other way out of it.
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If they were to be Blues, they aren't doing a good job by getting themself in the spotlight acting weird, pointing fingers.. and then all of a sudden when on the edge of a lynch they step up and say - Hey guys im a blue, dont kill me? -
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OK... so... in other words... if they're blues... we're fucked because they've played a bad game? :P
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We're not fucked, but it would be pretty bad yes
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It would be some sort of crippling, but nothing we cant recover from.. Also depends on which blue it is :).. But for now i dont believe that they are blues.. Either Rebel or stupid Privates..
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Ttam just hasnt really posted in the style of a well meaning member of the Empire, happily bent on taking over the universe, he seems to be using some sort of mind trick to make us all hate eachother..
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##Unvote: Archz
##Vote: TTaM
Time to hop on the bandwagon
olol see what i did there kesh?
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Sorry for ignoring your post, Shiftey, but I've been raiding! To reply to your post, I made a post with some suspect behaviour. I made the next post because people were curious about the reasons behind them.
On the subject of Archz. I wasn't gloating. Just wtf on that. I'm being condescending because he's being an idiot making jokes about being a Jedi.
You say that I'm creating chaos, Kawe, but you've made a crusade about tearing apart my posts to get me lynched, when you've done basically the same thing the whole game. Maybe you didn't make a concise post about it, but you've been subtlely accusing people from the start.
##Unvote: Kawe
##Vote: Arch
Sadly I'm having to jump on the Archz bandwagon to maybe save my skin.
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The rebels must be loving this. I'm going to break the trend by not voting for Daekesh, because I doubt he's mafia.
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UPDATE #1
I'm already beginning (and suppose I'm not the only one) to loose grip over what have been said and who said it. I therefore tried to sum up what people had said, and thought: why not share this with everyone? As mention (indirectly, if not directly) by others, I also think transparancy on what people think is vital.
Votes (for lynch, from --> to)[spoiler]
Chippn --> Vorte
Delling --> Archz
Eetion --> TTaM
Emptyy --> Eetion
Grishnag --> Shiftey
Hugman --> Archz
Insintric --> Vorte (unvoted)
Insintric --> Archz (unvoted)
Insintric --> TTaM
Kawe --> Archz (unvoted)
Kawe --> TTaM
Kendoki --> Kawe
Shiftey --> Kawe (unvoted)
Shiftey --> TTaM
Sintrael --> TTaM (unvoted)
Sintrael --> Archz (unvoted)
Sintrael --> TTaM
Starbrow --> Archz
Tronz --> Insintric
TTaM --> Kawe (unvoted)
TTaM --> Archz
Tyler --> Archz
Vdti --> TTaM
Yoica --> TTaM
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Supports (for captain, from --> to)[spoiler]
Archz --> Kawe
Blackwhale -_> Vdti
Chippen --> TTaM
Delling --> Vdti
Eetion --> Eetion (unvoted)
Eetion --> Mouseh
Emptyy --> Mouseh
Graxlos --> Shiftey
Grishnag --> Kawe
Insintric --> Kawe
Kawe --> Kawe
Shiftey --> Shiftey
Sintrael --> Kawe
TTaM --> Vdti
Tyler --> Kawe
Vdti --> Vdti
Yoica --> Mouseh[/spoiler]
Notes from posts
Quoting some stuff that CAN be interesting. Not including all the arches-bashing, as I think it's kind of silly (perhaps because I didn't participate in pt. 1), and a includes a lot of not-so-interesting stuff.
Warning: Wall of text.
[spoiler]
Delling
"There's only a 1-in-27 chance that Kawe is again the godfather"
"I will run for captain"
"Yes, Shiftey is a bad choice for captain" @Kawe
"Kawe could be using the fact that no one would believe he's Maffia/Rebel two games in a row."
"I agree that Kawe has been a bit too militaristic for early on in the game"
"I think a 'puppet' captain might be a bit more sensible"
"I wouldn't be opposed to Mouse being captain"
"there's no reason to trust Kawe's analysis over Shiftey's"
Shanski
"Lynch Kawe he is the Godfather Jedi Knight"
"Im just messing around atm since we don't have anything to go on."
Suspecting early voters, Dell/Tyler/Vdti for captain (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101148#msg101148)
Chippen
"Dont vote shiftey!"
"People going for Captain are suspicious"
"Vorte should be hanged on principle" (for not having watched Star Wars)
"I am ofc a loyal private of the Imperial Flee"
Kawe
"So far Shanks and Shiftey is on the list. And Chippen and Vorte chiming in." (on suspicious list)
"Voting Shiftey for captain is stupid"
"I will run for captain"
"That reminds me, Arches, care to explain away your talk of 'the force being strong' with you?" @IRC?
"note of Nach's reaction to Arches making such an apparant blunder, 'God damnit arches'." @IRC?
Defensive post (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101088#msg101088)
Vote = strong weapon, guilty people vote slowly (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101110#msg101110)
"you're keen to get the position but are very concerned about how you appear to others." @Delling concerning Captain role
Positive of Mouse for captain, general advice and promots posting (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101152#msg101152)
Promotes voting, (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101225#msg101225)
Suspecting, and quoting TTaM posts (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101260#msg101260)
Eetion
"I aswell will be running for position of Captain"
"We Imperial Fleet people need to stick together,"
"remember that most of the people here might actually be telling the truth." @Chippen
"As I've got nothing to hide for anyone, because I'm only a simple, however loyal, Imperial Fleet Private"
"You seem very eager to get some kind of black sheep pointed out early Chippen, why go for the Imperials if you, yourself were to be one of us?"
"remind you that 77% of the people will be part of your interest if you truely are of the Imperial Fleet." @Chippen
"Somehow i agree a bit with you Tyler." @Tyler when he says Archz is a good target
"Remember the best weapon for us Privates is to speak up and talk together"
"in the interest for the Rebels to get a quick lynch" (higher chance to vote Rebel for Captain)
Long post slightly suspecting Kawe, supporting Vdti (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101142#msg101142)
"By electing Kawe captain we take a bigger chance than needed"
"I dont like the slight link between Chippen and TTaM"
TTaM
"Shiftey as captain wouldn't be in our bests interests."
"I think Kawe is far too eager to start pointing fingers"
"chances of people telling the truth is quite high."
"I'm definitely noticing a trend towards Delling, Kawe and Yoica trying to allay suspicion from each other"
Long post analyzing people (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101064#msg101064)
"As for Archz there isn't much to go on at the moment."
"People with night actions really don't want to be the captain" /support Vdti
Vdti
"the jailor should lock the captain up each night."
"Blue should not run for captain" (as they won't be able to use abilities)
"I still have an ugly gut feeling about Kawe, Delling and ET"
Nachmanun
"I'm a good guy this time, interesting."
- Can't be active the first 48 hours (ish) due to moving
Shiftey
"So I havent said a word and you are already pointing fingers on me. Little too eager arent we kawe?"
"I have not even officially stated I would be running for a position of captain. I do not intend to, as you will want to lynch me anyway and becoming a target for rebels too just isnt my cup of tea."
"Chippen has accused me, Eetion and Vorte with no real reasoning"
Post suspecting and argumenting to lynch Kawe (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101164#msg101164)
"Right now, no mafia would ever jump to defend Archz in any way. But since I am a private in imperial army, I am willing to do that."
Suspecting Kawe (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101229#msg101229)
Tyler
"no to Shiftey as captian."
"Would be happy to run for captain, my inital guesses in the last game were good. I am a simple villager again."
"Hmm Archz is looking like a good target" (for lynching)
"I say lets vote of the lynch first. Peoples reaction will help us choose the captain later."
Suspecting Archz, Mouse for captain, Delling is acting odd (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101151#msg101151)
Hugman
- Wants people to post lots
"I will start with Arches, as he is an idiot."
Insintric
"no go for Shiftey!" (captain)
Archz
"I'm just having a huge laugh at how much you guys are "reading into" things :p"
"Me for Captain imo"
"After all this, you really think I'm mafia? :p You must've missed some of the irc talk and posts." @Sintrael
"Pay close attention to the votes, if all the mafia vote for the same person, they are likely to get a lynch since we no longer need the majority"
Emptyy
"lynching Arches would make me giggle, let's do that."
Doomslay
"i have my mince pies on you" @Eetion
BlackWhale
"Archz is probably not a maffia, he seems to care to little to have a important role."
"Lynching vorte because he dont like starwars makes no sense"
"Chippen is either a dumb private or a sneaky rebel"
Graxlos
"Voting for Arches could be reasonable based on how he played the last game"
"Im gonna pass on the captain job since Im not going to be very active in the beginning of this game."
Yoica
"between Kawe and Delling, because Tyler made too many wrong choices last game" (for Captain)
Mouseh
- Positive regarding Dell/Kawe running for captain. Sceptical voting for Eetion/Tyler/Shanski
Sintrael
"I like Mouseh's post, i agree that kawe/tyler/dell would be a good choice for captain"
Suspecting people voting for Vdti, supportes Kawe/Mouse for Captain (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101218#msg101218)
Ino
"we shouldn't have Shiftey or Archz as Captain"
"Personally I think Tyler is a good choice for captain"
Kendoki
Long post, summing up his thoughts - Tyler & Starbrow suspiciously supports Kawe (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101153#msg101153)
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Right now, I'm sick of writing down stuff, but I'll say that:
- Personally, I find Eetion suspicious, due to subtly saying I'm not the yedi you're looking for, like if he's got some sort of mind tricks. To me, most his posts doesn't seem very constructive either.
- Kawe is making many posts (some of them good, some of them very repetitive.) I'm very unsure of him, and oppose the idea of him as Captain because he comes out like a clever little mafia to me. Both voting for lynch and supporting for captain seem very high risk.
- The whole Archz thing: Doubt he's a mafia, but I see the logic in killing him (low risk).
I will be careful pointing any fingers early on, but here's my little list
Suspicious: Eetion, Kawe, TTaM, Chippen
In my green zone: Tyler, Mouseh, Vdti
##Vote: Eetion
##Support: Mouseh
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fs stupid fucking vote system >.<
i needed to have bold around both seperately, not just one bold around both...
##Unvote: Archz
##Vote: TTaM
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UPDATE #1
I'm already beginning (and suppose I'm not the only one) to loose grip over what have been said and who said it. I therefore tried to sum up what people had said, and thought: why not share this with everyone? As mention (indirectly, if not directly) by others, I also think transparancy on what people think is vital.
Transparency on what you think will get your lynched by Kawe.
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I really can't ignore the same way of posting you did the start of last game, kesh.. The day is still young, I hope you can dispell the suspicion you seem to have planted in alot of people, even those who vote for the retard that's strong with force or whatever(Arches).
As for captain, I'm torn between Kawe, Mouse and Dell(I really liked that brack poster). I have not much faith in ET/Shiftey in this position.. :P I'll place my vote on Mouse for now, but that's only because I believe she'd be the least hurtful in that position should she actually be a rebel.
##Vote: TTaM
##Support: Mouse
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The rebels must be loving this. I'm going to break the trend by not voting for Daekesh, because I doubt he's mafia.
You need to explain to us why, reasoning. It is very important and crucial. These random comments are what makes you stick out as retard or rebel. Needs content!
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Bold around nick aswell, aha.
##Vote: Eetion
##Support: Mouseh
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##Vote: TTaM
##Support: Mouse
Did I do it right now?..
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(Takes hat off for Emptyy)
Bravo sir!
Excellent post.
Particularly liked that you could see who they accused/elected, and reference them right next to each other.
Will be very useful during day 2.
Keep it up.
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The rebels must be loving this. I'm going to break the trend by not voting for Daekesh, because I doubt he's mafia.
You need to explain to us why, reasoning. It is very important and crucial. These random comments are what makes you stick out as retard or rebel. Needs content!
Call it a hunch, but hey feel free to lynch me if Daekesh turns out mafia
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Again, I don't think we're necessarily trying to lynch a rebel -- we're just trying to _not_ lynch a high-value imperial.
The thinking is that Kesh (and Archz) are greens, or stupid blues, and thus should hang.
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(Takes hat off for Emptyy)
Bravo sir!
Excellent post.
Particularly liked that you could see who they accused/elected, and reference them right next to each other.
Will be very useful during day 2.
Keep it up.
Cheers! Will probably not keep it up, as I don't have much time to spare the rest of the week. I'd love to see someone do something similar for page 18-30, 30-40 etc, though!
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I will be careful pointing any fingers early on, but here's my little list
Suspicious: Eetion, Kawe, TTaM, Chippen
In my green zone: Tyler, Mouseh, Vdti
##Vote: Eetion
##Support: Mouseh
Im Courious.. You support Mouseh as election for captain, Kawe Supports mouseh for captain - Both Kawe and I and alot more have shown suspicious thoughts for TTaM and CHippen.. Yet you find me and Kawe to be suspicous and even slapping out a vote for me?
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The victim of my next focus is Mouseh:
She has not posted much. In fact she has posted only 2 posts.
2 posts only in itself right now can mean 2 things (possibly 3), rebel, blue role, or just she's new and getting used to it, perfectly understandable.
But her first post is about captaincy, any important issue certainly. She's listing some of the candidates and her thoughts. My problem with this is she goes on about how Kawe is awesome and she supports him. Then she disses all other candidates. Sure, can be her thoughts, but again all of that lacks any solid argument why or why not.
What happens after though, I made a good accusation post against kawe
(can be found here http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101164#msg101164 (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101164#msg101164))
kawe suddenly offers her as a mediocre, middle way candidate
This strikes me as weird right of the bat. All of the candidates are dissmissed as stupid, bad (like me) or unexperienced. So why would a play of kawe's calibre suggest someone completely new to the game, and someone who stated to not have much time and not understand this game all that well.
Her second post includes some of those excuses, here I just wanna state that people are trying to create or mention excuses for any reason is generally connected to them trying to make themself look less suspicious or less bad at something. But here, it becomes suspicious.
That post also includes a support for Kawe and lot of WIFOM logic. Many IFs, perhaps to try to create an allure of participating in the discussion.
Also, the vote switching to TTaM is making me suspect something is not right.
Could this be a connection?
If so, are we just voting 2 possible rebels in as a captain? God let's hope I am wrong.
Now, few comments to Kawe's post against TTaM. I for one, am not a fan of picking word by word and interpreting them like that. It proved to be a terrible way to play in the past and some of your arguments in that post are just very relative and not based on anything at all. Can be interpreted in anyway, just like I can interpret my own posts as omg scum.
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Also, i never really suspected Kawe for anything, i was just trying to get a point forward that Electing the Imperials strongest player for captain might not be the wisest to do, i know it can be turned to sound suspicious but if i was dead serious about it i would have thrown a vote for Kawe first, now wouldn't I?
There is a lot of good points in your post and its easy to get a good view of everything but by voting for me your totally wrong, sorry to say man.
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It seems that quiet people do tend to have some sort of alterior motive judging by the last game (altho not always re: kawe - godfather) but i think its going way to far to say that just because she's made 2 posts, on day 1, that she's either a rebel or a blue
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Has anyone else posted just twice?
(Ino?)
Agree with Sint -- wouldn't automatically assume that Mouse is necessarily up to something. She definitely needs to post more -- but so do a few other people.
Btw, we now only have 24 hours to decide on a captain -- 48 hours to choose a lynch.
Gotta sleep now. Byeeee.
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Also, i never really suspected Kawe for anything, i was just trying to get a point forward that Electing the Imperials strongest player for captain might not be the wisest to do, i know it can be turned to sound suspicious but if i was dead serious about it i would have thrown a vote for Kawe first, now wouldn't I?
I totally understand, and agree that voting Kawe for captain wouldn't be the greatest idea, as it's high risk.
There is a lot of good points in your post and its easy to get a good view of everything but by voting for me your totally wrong, sorry to say man.
This, however, is what makes me somewhat suspicious of you. In the start, you seemed a little too eager to point out that you're innocent, in a subtle way, sort of what you do here. And that was without anyone showing suspicion of you. Why do that if you're a townie? It calmed down a bit after 4-5 posts, though. I just vote what my belly tell me, and now it's pointing at you.
Im Courious.. You support Mouseh as election for captain, Kawe Supports mouseh for captain - Both Kawe and I and alot more have shown suspicious thoughts for TTaM and CHippen.. Yet you find me and Kawe to be suspicous and even slapping out a vote for me?
I don't see the problem in finding Kawe sketchy even if he votes the same as me. And you're also right. It would be somewhat odd if all four of you were mafia and you still acted like that. Many dots are still not connected, as I suppose is normal on day 1.
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Emptyy, that's one wonderful post! That post is exactly the kind of post that shows you're pretty darn likely to be Imperial, just by it being, no matter how you look at it, very useful to us. I was beginning to wonder about you since, until now, your only post was that tiny non-entity you included in the big quotes list.
It's fair enough if you're not going to keep going with such hugely time consuming collations of stuff, but regular posting with collections of what you're thinking and why will I think be very useful.
Shiftey, you're right on a few things; excuses are generally something to keep a very keen eye on. Also though, Dell says, so far in the day there are definitely a few people who need to post more, including Mouseh. You could, going on post count alone, equally level your gaze at Emptyy; quality of post is important though, and the posts of both Emptyy (especially Emptyy) and Mouseh's have been, in my eyes, of a good quality with even-handed and understandable statements.
It's true the captaincy is a very tough question right now. The concerns about me being captain have clearly been well thought out and make good sense, from both points of view. Life would, of course, be a lor easier if we could select the captain after the first night with that much more information. Of the people who've ran so far there're no others I feel particularly safe with, at least not more than Mouseh. Vdti, on an individual level, I'm actually quite comfortable with, however the nature of the votes that were cast for him being stated as being done for a reason so paper thin make me a lot more cautious about considering it. If emptyy is planning on being more active, given the strength of his big ol' post there might be worthwhile to consider for captain. I'll also be interested in what Mouseh has to say next.
TTaM basically going emo rather than attempting a proper refutation of any kind is, however, making it trickier and trickier for me to keep an open mind. I was about to share Vorte's angle on this, but I think we're now into the game and I agree that avoiding IRC sourcing the more we play is fairer for all people participating in the game, and even more so for those not playing but enjoying observing and trying to work things out for fun. So get on here and post Vorte, you lazy ginger.
In any case I think all in all we've managed to have a very good start for the first 24 hours of play, and the ball is now very much rolling.
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It's harder to keep up with this thread then i thought,
In my eyes the captain would need to be someone not too thickheaded,not too hasty and someone who can give a good judgment. Delling being closest to that folowed by Kawe!(I'll switch for Kawe if it's needed for him to win seeing as Delling isn't doing too well in his campaign)
And Dell got Cwave last game ( it was kind of obvious that he was mafia).
As for the lynch I'll go with Arches.(same reason as Hug)
##Support: Delling
##Vote: Archz
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Really good post Emptyy, thanks for summing it all up. There were some of real good points in these last few pages too. My view: It seems to me that we have two choices here, picking between voting for the people who have been playing pretty poorly so far, overly aggressive and careless (Arches, TTaM, Chip) as even if they were empire losing them wouldn't hurt us much as losing some other, in relative terms 'more valuable' player.
Second choice is voting for the someone whos doing damn GOOD job (at supposed rebel role), who could be dangerous and real threat to the Empire (much more than the players above). Now finding those is a real challenge. Emptyy made a good point about Eetion for example (he is indeed trying a bit too much to prove hes an Empire), but players like Kawe or Dell could fit the role as well.
@ Shiftey's post:
I made 2 posts yes but so did like 60% of players. I guess I could have spammed more but I guess thats not who I am, I don't like to spam or troll or to post only cuz of posting, I don't talk much on irc either and I'm always there. I guess I'm quiet as a person and if that making me suspicious so be it. I had intention to post more tho, i'll try to fix it.
You said (on irc i think) how i overly praised Kawe and dissed other candidates. Thats not true. I only said the facts. That hes very intelligent (I said the same for Tyler and Delling) and that he was very good at last game. I also said how he would be great asset to the Empire if hes chosen for the Capt. role BUT that he would be even greater weapon for the rebels on that place if hes a rebel.
Next you are saying that after being accused by you Kawe offers me as a candidate. Thats not true either. I just checked the posts back and it was Tyler who first suggested me as a capt. It looks to me that your just trying hard to find connections even when there are none.
I'm also sure you will find everyone who start getting votes for the captain role suspicious. And I kinda understand that, its easy to find reasons when your looking hard for them.
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You have to understand one thing. You are being voted for as captain. But you have yet to give any contribution to the discussion at all. You barely speak, you are quiet. Yet you were suggested by 2 good players as viable candidate? It certainly doesnt make sense to me at all.
I am sorry I overlooked that tyler's post, funny you got me on the case now.
Checking tyler's posts now and they are truly awful of a quality compared to his previous game. His posts are generally just inciting lynching (from his posts it is becoming obvious he doesnt know there's no need for majority for a lynch).
Saying "we have to lynch this round" in almost every single post makes me wanna think that "we" stands for "rebels". Tyler was also the one starting the vote bandwagon against Archz based solely on fact that: "Archz is looking like a good target. We have to lynch every day. If he is imperial he is bad. Lets do it."
Yet again we can see the "we have to lynch every day" recurring theme in his posts.
He also supports kawe for captaincy, just for the record, which could connect the dots with my previous post.
Basically tyler's posts are not posts of a good imperial, he's not helping in any way and suggesting someone with such a lack of any valuable contribution as Mouseh for captain is yet another really weird step for tyler.
All in all, it seems like there's a completely different player, suddenly from open minded villager he becomes a random non-sense screaming automaton with zero substantial contribution to anything.
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Damn cats waking me up ta 5am!
A few people have said now that I'm playing much the same as I was last game - I don't see it, personally. I haven't made any accusations. I made one post detailing my thoughts (with absolutely no assumptions or accusations) on what people had said so far and suddenly I'm a rebel traitor. These were not outlandish, specious allegations, but simple observations. I posted a picture to explain a reference to delling and noted that people were posting pretty fast - much like many ppl have done here before.
What I do notice is that Kawe is playing very much like I did last game. He opens the game with veiled accusations to many people and then choose somebody to pick apart and rally against with specious arguments and rhetoric - exactly what I did to Vorte last round.
He's repeatedly said that voting early is a good way to force reactions - Isn't that exactly exactly what I did? force reactions by making observations? Do you know what else voting early does? It allows the mafia to pick a target (perhaps somebody with suspicions a bit too close to home?) and a railroad it, just like I did last round to Vorte. And who does he pick? The first person to try to make an analytical post examining what's been going on so far. Even the teamliquid guide says that people voted for in the first round are unlikely to be rebels. Why? Because when somebody that they don't like comes along, they jump on the bandwagon and hey presto, we have a possible lynch. If the mafia want me lynched, do u really want that to happen?
People also seem confused about what I posted to Arch. I was explaining to him why people found him suspicious. Not accusing him of anything. It was Kawe that brought up what he said in the first place and cast doubt on him, not me.
I don't see how people are calling me over-aggressive when with the likes of Chippen. Chippen made baseless accusations on everyone that put themselves forward to be captain and started a vote on Vorte simply because he hadn't watched star wars until this week. What have I done like that, exactly? And what about Kawe, your shephard? He is the one that has his minions doing a mafia bandwagon. He is the one that started out pointing fingers and is now on a campaign to get me lynched. Seems pretty over-aggressive to me.
I'm not excusing my actions. I have nothing to excuse. I have done nothing except be reasonably active on a forum (a forum on which I am always active, even outside of mafia games) and post the transparent thinking that everyone seems to want posted, but seems to be getting me lynched for some reason...
I don't know how more people aren't finding Kawe's actions highly suspicious. Ino and Kendo seem to have made the leap to voting. I know many others have deep suspicions about him. Not only does he have his band of merry followers railroading me, you seem to want to give him even more power with a captaincy. You want the (currently) most influential person to have even more votes and the ability to kill anyone that disagrees with him? I can guarantee you that that will lose us the game.
And Kawe, emo... what?! I have no idea where you're getting this from.
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For reference, Kawe's tirade from the first hour of the game:
I am already taking interest in the people who are keen to use such a flimsy pretext to lynch - they're either stupid, sore, or straight-up after lynching an Imperial. Or a combination of the above. So far Shanks and Shiftey already right onto that list. And before I can even finish speaking, Chippen and Vorte chiming in.
That reminds me, Arches, care to explain away your talk of 'the force being strong' with you? I admit it's possible that you're just a huge retard, but in that case it's equally likely one way or the other.
Should also make a note of Nach's reaction to Arches making such an apparant blunder, 'God damnit arches'.
That's a total of 6 people he is casting doubt on... with absolutely no evidence at all. Before I posted.
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##Unvote: Archz
##Vote: Kawe
It's not about saving myself any more, it's about saving this game from a clear, power-mad rebel.
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I have to jump in and say I do agree with TTaM's posts. And most of what he mentions have been discussed in my previous posts. Also I am fairly convinced that both Archz and TTaM just started off on a wrong foot and are in fact imperial.
I say it here before anyone else does. I may be wrong about TTaM. Which doesnt matter cause the post you all seem to value is kawe's as a reason to vote for TTaM. Yet kawe's post is increadibly relative and can be interpreted in any way he wants.
I think we are being led the wrong way by certain people. And if my suspicions are correct, majority of captain votes right now are in fact for rebels. It is obvious there will be some imperials and also some rebels running for captain. But those who we can fairly safely say to be imperial, or have less doubt about, their candidacy has been dismissed by the very same people as laughable.
All my posts (except for the one about TTaM) are also connected one to another. Almost creating a pattern of some sort, or a probability of likelihood. Therefore:
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Kawe
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Apparently Irony is not counting my last vote because of formatting:
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Kawe
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The next player I am taking a stab at is Yoica:
In his first post he talked about captainship. He said his ideal candidate for captain would be someone who's activate and takes time to formulate their argument well instead of just throwing out random speculation.
His original 3 candidates are Tyler, Delling and Kawe. And none of these fulfill is original statement. Tyler is not activate and all he did was throw out some random accusations. Delling is not very activate at all. And Kawe is activate, by also in his first posts accused so many people that it can be taken as random speculation.
All of that is followed by a sudden support vote for Mouseh. Someone who doesnt fit his criteria either.
I would like an explanation on that sudden change of heart.
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OT: Am I blind but I don't see any differences in your formatting between your vote posts, Shiftey.
Well well we've seen some quality posts since last night. Thanks Emptyy for that great summary!
@Shiftey, your logic is sound, but you could easily swap TTaM <-> Kawe (or a number of other players) in your post and still get a truthful post. You are reasonably fast to switch purely based on a post where TTaM (by your own admission) posts what you've already said.
Your post about captain candidates being dismissed as laughable by some people is odd. With the exception of yourself the candidates that are putting any kind of effort into it are getting the votes and all the other players that put themselves forward as candidates aren't really taking any actions/positions to warrant a vote. As I see it there are 4 candidates worth voting for due to the their involvement (good or bad) in the game; Kawe, Vdti, Mouseh and yourself.
Looking purely at posts Kawe and you make detailed analysis's of what is happening and formulate your posts excellently, making it very easy to subtly steer people in certain directions. Making both of you high-risk choices, because either we hit the jackpot and gain a great captain or we basically give the rebels a win.
Vdti and Mouseh don't post a lot, but when they do post it shows they have a concept of what is happening and aren't easily swayed by what others say. Making them the safer choice.
My only problem with Vdti is that TTaM was a little too pro-active in pushing Vdti forward which makes me suspicious, considering I have TTaM on the top of my rebel list. Hence my vote goes to Mouseh
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His original 3 candidates are Tyler, Delling and Kawe. And none of these fulfill is original statement. Tyler is not activate and all he did was throw out some random accusations. Delling is not very activate at all. And Kawe is activate, by also in his first posts accused so many people that it can be taken as random speculation.
Your post crossed the one I just posted and I think I explain myself there, but here is a short answer to this.
All accusation thrown at the start were random. I mention Delling once and suddenly I'm his fanboi? At the time of the post I was just basing it on outside knowledge since I didn't have anything else to go on. Tyler, I put off at the start and what has transpired since then only confirms that action. Leaving only Kawe and you are correct is saying that he argue things to his benefit, but so do you, me and everyone who posts here. Currently Kawe is as trustworthy as anyone else in the game, no more no less.
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OT: The formatting is in the code, the needs to be per each line, not for both lines at once, then it screws up the bot
And well done on dodging my argument completely, you did not answer my question at all. And you did not try to defend why your are ignoring your criteria all together.
Also note:
Eetion's support and post is based on Yoica's logic, maybe Eetion would like to reconsider his position.
As I am writting in your new post came in. You are still ignoring the fact kawe accused a fair number of people is inconsistent with your stated preferences.
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##Support: Archz
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x66/aerial16701/cartoons/futurama/Zapp_Brannigan.png)
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I'm really lost as to what you want?
Kawe's wild accusations at the start are no differents than TTaM yet you believe TTaM, why? There really aren't full proof argument at this stage of the game for why Kawe is more believable than TTaM or visa-versa. Also if you ignore Kawe's 1st hour all his post are well thought out and formulated. You might not agree with his conclusions, but you can't say they aren't thought out.
As for Mouseh, I believe I have answered that in my previous post.
But getting back to you. Following your own logic where you go after Kawe for his random accusations at the start, I'm lost as to why you don't apply the same standard to TTaM's posts. They are just as wild, but they continue on for a lot longer. You hound for what you precieve to logic flaw in my arguments, but a blind to the fact you are doing the same. I'll be the 1st to admit I don't any solid evidence EITHER way, but Kawe stopped with his wild accusations once the game got going whereas TTaM continued on until he noticed he was going to get lynched. Then he changes his tack, which only strengthen my belief he is guitly.
The way you are jumping from one target to the next and the dogged nature of your 'examinations' make me highly suspicious.
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Just to point out, Yoica, the only accusation I have made is about Kawe because of it character assassination of me. My initial analysis is the *only* time I've done anything even remotely close to accusations, and that was just a summary of what other people had posted, left up to everyone else to decide what they thought.
My posts: http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=351;sa=showPosts
Kawe's: http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=43;sa=showPosts
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Yoica, have you noticed I made a fairly extensive post against TTaM way before anyone else? You seem to completely ignore that when you say I havent used the same empirical approach for his posts, cause I have.
Reason why I changed though was recent bandwagoning events and voting and supporting records that made me doubt my assumption. Therefore I change, but also all of that is explained in my previous posts which you once again seem to ignore and adamantly continue with your story.
Definitely made yourself a good way on my mafia list and expand it to 4 suspects.
Glad you could help
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I'm kind of surprised I'm saying this, but... Kesh has won me over.
##Unvote: Arches
##Vote: Kawe
And I finally have a supporter! Goo Veilas!
##Unsupport: Vdti
##Support: Delling
Lots of good posts last night. I don't have much to add, except that we need some more posts from a lot more people -- Ino, Tyler, Grishang, Starbrow, Tronz... (lots of people still need to vote for captaincy and lynching, too!)
Definitely a bit surprised by Tyler's low quality and quantity of posts. I guess it's still early days -- he could still produce a fantastic post later today -- but he does seem to fit into the 'I'm a special blue/red and trying to keep my head down' template.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ino or Tronz were special blue/reds either.
And obviously, if such a blue role existed, Grish is a special TIE pilot...
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I am not going to post as much as I did last game. It was counterproductive in the end, and it will be even worse this game with the number of player we have. A smaller number of more focused posts will be a better approach I think. I think I will aim for two good posts per day. Spamming this thread is not useful.
Empty: Great post. Keep up the good work.
Mouseh: ditto, I am going to vote for you as captain. Sure you might be rebel scum playing a blinder, but currently I don?t see a better choice. The same could be said of all the other candidates. I think we should target the more obvious scum/bad imperials. Our biggest mistake last game was going after the godfather ahead of Nach, who most people agreed was the whore. Trying to aim for the ?clever? mobster was my undoing.
Shiftey: If you are going to accuse me of posting nonsense you should at least quote it. My reasons for voting for Archz are sound. This kind of reasoning it not helpful either way. After all this, you really think I'm mafia? :p You must've missed some of the irc talk and posts. I was stearing up some heat, trying to get myself killed by the rebel scum the first night by making some noice. Clearly I made too much
Your detailed ?analysis? posts are a little inconsistent. You accused both Kawe and Mouseh of being inconsistent when they were not. You have raised questions about both TTaM and Kawe, but chosen to vote with TTaM against Kawe. As I have said to you before of the 26 targets to vote for Kawe is not the best choice. I am also intrigued by your repeated desire to run as captain. I know you don?t want people to think about last game, as mafia MVP that is understandable, but you can?t really think that you will get voted in. This make me think you are using this as cover. Maybe you are a better scum player than villager? You have often talked about wanting to be a politician :)
TTaM: The best post Shiftey made so far was about your inconsistencies. You seem to blame Kawe alone for raising concerns. You also switched vote to Archz to ?join the other band wagon?. You indulged in some RP when voting for Kawe. You are being very defensive and the way you and Chippen appeared to be in cahoots was pretty sus. All in all I can see why people want to vote for you. I?m going to stick to Archz for now though.
Graxlos: While I understand not wanting to post as much as last game, we do need a little more. As it stands you are voting for Shiftey as captain...
##Unsupport: Kawe
##Support: Mouseh
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Well, there's the good post from Tyler -- I rescind that last comment!
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Good morning all :) Time to read and catch up!
In the mean time
##Unsupport: Kawe
##Support: Mouseh
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@ Shiftey's latest posts:
I'll tell you what I think. Hes trying to push people into voting for him for the role of Capt. Thats obvious. He does that by diminishing contribution of all other candidates, while greatening his own. How many times has he said I was 'unfit'? If you don't see me as candidate or you don't find my thoughts contributing thats ok, its your right, but don't discard me or the people who do. I guess you don't like the fact no one voted for you even with ALL the contribution you made.
The way he works: He focuses the person and then using the methods of exaggeration (saying that I overly praised Kawe) and half-truths or just lies (saying that Kawe recommended me for a capt) he forge the connections or conspiracy the way he likes it, the way it fits into the pattern he got in his head. When hes proven wrong he just change the names so it fits again. Like he did with swapping Kawe with Tyler earlier. This way you can make any truth you like.
Is this the contribution you talk about Shiftey? Its only counterproductive and its not doing Empire any favors. And I still believe you have Empires best interests in your heart but your not helping (eg, I still don't think your a rebel).
And I don't HAVE to run for capt, I didn't initiated this and I would be more than happy to support someone else. For example Emptyy made few sane posts I could support him. But it wouldn't matter he would get into your little black books as well. Its how you work :)
Since I see few supported me I'm gonna do that too, as promissed.
##Support: Mouseh
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TTaM is spending a lot of time on "Why me?!", and then another bunch of time explaning himself, then only to say he doesn't need to defend himself, followed up by trying to put suspicion on someone for being an active quality poster. Furthermore, he claims that, despite havnig such a long time until lynching, he is being railroaded (more "Why me?!"). All the while equally being so wrapped up in his own plight, with saving himself and so keen to deflect the vote from himself that he has ignored Emptyy's wonderful post entirely, and responds to others with stuff like "doing this will get you lynched by kawe". This being embroiled in his own situation is not the behaviour befitting of someone who has the town's greater interests at mind, but individual ones.
Graxlos does indeed need to post more, and at least post something of substance. We know he is a great analytical player, and if he doesn't post we're deprived of potentially great insight. Supporting someoe for captain, an important role, on the basis of liking their picture is not the kind of serious play expected of Grax, so it will be good to see what he's actually got for us.
Delling is someone who I'm definitely curious about due to meek posting style, desire to be non-commital and general odd lack of any conviction, along with simultaneously being concerned about how is percieved to the point of running for captain and not voting behind himself until someone else does. That, and bringing up you're new to the game is very akin to an excuse and should be treated as one.
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Since a big majority is gathering on Mouseh side for Captainship. That requires some serious thinking.
Let's start over. As I am writting this post, those people are voting for Mouseh as Captain:
Yoica, Eetion, Emptyy, Vorte, Tyler and Kawe
So, first of all she supported Kawe as intelligent player for captainship, nothing too suspicious, many did, he's indeed very intelligent, but doesnt say why she trust him so much with this role, there's a lot to be said about his posts.
Another 2 notable candidates she mentions are Delling and Tyler, calls them intelligent, but then dismissed them based on being wrong or whatnot in the past game? That's one weak of an argument, basing a decision because they happened to be wrong. Tyler was an excellent villager back in game 1 and I screwed the game up.
The "lol" comment about Archz is understandable :P
Her second post starts with this though:
"I'm having very busy day today I had barely time to refresh the posts and run through them. In addition to that I'm not the person who talks much, I don't like rash decisions or accusations without some solid reason. For that reason I decided it would be wise if I delay voting/support until I have more information on the subject."
First she's excusing herself for not having time, being undecisive. Think of it from point of view being an imperial, why would you make yourself pass as someone undecisive and without time, that would only put you in worse position in terms of other imperials actually trusting your judgement (even more so if you are a captain). On the other hand this reasoning gives perfect sense for a rebel, trying to minimize his post count that could turn him suspicious without being suspicious.
Another thing is the not wanting to vote, there's absolutely no reason not to vote? Voting isnt something impulsive, mostly at least anyway. Voting at last minute however begs questions.
The second posts continues with some WIFOM logic with many IFs involving kawe's captainship. This kind of posting is exactly what would mafia do, seed doubt, create uncertainty.
Then she announces her candidacy for running as a captain for a reason she was suggested. She was suggested by Tyler and later on by Kawe. Two good, intelligent please, who in their right mind, wouldnt put such a role in hands of someone they knew nothing about.
But she doesnt even support herself? Not even now when a final hour is approaching. Undecisivness about herself being captain? Should we have such a leader?
And then the excuse about bad english. There was no need for it, the post was fine and nicely understandable, so why?
Only rebels have this inner guilty feeling a need of defending themselfs even before they are accused of anything being anything. In this context, making many excuses can be a viable tactics.
What surprised me a bit is after the few random shouting posts from tyler, he makes a fairly intelligent looking post which, and that's no surprise, supports Mouseh with some flimsy reasoning based on bad decision making in last game? What does that have to do with anything. Then he basically plays the Shiftey is stupid card (or at least I get that feel from it)
And last but not least, Kawe wakes up, says he needs to catch up on reading (which is quite a lot of posts since last night by now) but in the mean time supports Mouseh. Out of the blue...
Should Mouseh be the captain?
ADD:
A new post from Mouseh came in as I was typing this one. For the record I do not care that many people do not vote for me (by the way I have 2 votes so it's not no one, as a captain you should be aware of the game shouldnt you?), what I care about is not getting the wrong people lynched or voted for in prominent spots.
And saying my attemps and interpret the behaviour of players is not doing favour I suppose your WIFOM logic and excuse do help the Empire a lot?
Regarding Emptyy, he has certainly made an increadibly good post, yet I think some of the conclusions he draws from his good observations arent based on much.
And finally made a decision on supporting yourself.... well that took time.
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Captain will be elected in 12 hours.
The vote stands as follows:
Mouseh: 7
Kawe: 3
Vdti: 3
Delling: 2
Shiftey: 2
Archz: 1
TTaM: 1
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Im sorry guys as earlier mentioned I have an important deadline tomorrow, so I'm gonna start participating properly from tomorrow afternoon.
I will read up tomorrow and decide who I want as captain. 21 pages....
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damn I thought we had 36 more hour and not 12.
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I'm being meek, Kawe, because I'm surrounded by people who played a very active and very intelligent first game.
I only ever stick my neck out if I know what I'm doing -- both IRL and online. I would much rather follow than lead, unless I am the best man for the job -- or woman, as the case is turning out to be. I'm fairly certain that I'm not the best man for the job in this case, just through lack of experience and conviction.
Anyway, I'm not going to fall into a trap of defending myself -- that hasn't worked for Daekesh.
Put simply, I'm not the kind to put my balls on the line unless I actually know what I'm saying/doing :)
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Im sorry guys as earlier mentioned I have an important deadline tomorrow, so I'm gonna start participating properly from tomorrow afternoon.
I will read up tomorrow and decide who I want as captain. 21 pages....
It's fine grax, captain vote isn't mandatory, and there's 36 hours until the lynch, just finish your shit and join the game then.
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Probably too late for this, but.. Emptyy for captain!
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Never has Emptyy's shaved-head neo-Nazi appearance been more fitting.
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Due to the suspicious vote switching.
##Vote: Kawe
##Support: Delling
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Well there's a much better candidate then Mouseh!
Emptyy sounds like a very good choice to me, his very extensive post would suggest he's less likely to be a bad guy than the other candidates and since I cannot get a support going behind me.
##Unsupport: Shiftey
##Support: Emptyy
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I'm pretty glad Emptyy has stepped up for captain! At the very least he is probably one of the most trustworthy right now.
##Unsupport: Shiftey
##Support: Emptyy
Doomslay, as an Imperial officer you should not be afraid to switch your vote when you believe it's a sensible choice.
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Fucking Shiftey!
I hope this hasn't broken the bot.
##Unsupport: Mouseh
##Support: Emptyy
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TTaM's post has got me convinced kawe, that being said my post was missread a little, it wasn't aimed at you.
by "vote switching" i meant my support vote, i find it very odd so many people suddenly vote for mouseh with little reasoning - in my mind you'd be suspicious of that too. The rebels should and would be trying 100% to get that captain spot as its a game breaker for them.
OT: should have expanded more before voting, apologies.
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Shiftey everything you said in your last post just strengened the point I made ealier.
"So, first of all she supported Kawe as intelligent player for captainship, nothing too suspicious, many did, he's indeed very intelligent, but doesnt say why she trust him so much with this role" - point one: exaggeration and telling half-truths
Where did I say i trust Kawe with the capt role? If anything I said I'm afraid to vote for him for that role. Do I really have to repeat myself? I said that having Kawe on that role could be catastrophic and game-breaking if it turns out that hes a rebel.
I'm not going to repeat again why yesterday I posted how much i did..
"Another thing is the not wanting to vote, there's absolutely no reason not to vote? Voting isnt something impulsive, mostly at least anyway"
I don't agree with this, it doesn't make any sense. Because voting isn't impulsive isn't it logical to wait a little before you pass your judgement? Most of people will change their vote 5 times before the end of day 1. I won't do that, I find it a bit silly, especially on start when we have so little info.
"And then the excuse about bad english.."
Oh this is suspicious as well, how surprising of you Shiftey! It probably takes me twice more time to write the posts than the average forum user. I check every 5th word for spelling on google :/ And if I'm in hurry I don't have time to do so, so i always think i made over9k mistakes. It has nothing to do with the game. If you are that good detective as you think you are you would go through my old post on IE forums (not connected to the game) and see that many times I apologized for my english.
Anyway I said I'm more than happy to support Emptyy:
##Unsupport: Mouseh
##Support: Emptyy
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Your English is more than fine, Mouse! The spelling might be off, but your sentence structure is great. You're easily understandable -- that's the main thing :)
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Well, it's fair to think it was very sudden going by forum alone; the idea was initially thrown out casually to me by Tyler, and I thought it was a pretty good idea; of all the people posting, her posts seemed quality enough and, importantly, not hot-headed. It was simmering as an idea then in TS and IRC for a little while. The fact this has caused confusion, should of course, be taken as a lesson for us all to try and get straight to posting stuff like that on the forum with some immediacy.
Nothing better/safer has really presented itself since, until Emptyy ran, which I'm pleased he has. As I mentioned a page or so ago in my last post of last night, I was thinking he'd be a good candidate. The only concerns remaining then, about Emptyy as captain, would be activity; but this is nearly as valid a concern with Mouseh too.
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Ah, two new replies... that was mainly in response to Doomslay.
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I can get behind Emptyy.
##Unsupport: Vdti
##Support: Emptyy
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Afternoon all, after catching up at work here (which took frikkin ages) i really dont have time to make a long post, which i intend to do.
I was surprised by Mouse while reading through, every time i read a post and had a thought to myself about it Mouse voiced it in her posts. I'm switching my support to Mouse as well.
I'm also switching my vote from TTaM to Shiftey. I'm not convinced of Kesh's innocence by any means but in my opinion Shiftey, ur stretching what people have said to undermine them, ur not actually quoting people, u just rephrase what they said in a different light. I think that while the basis for your posts are good that you dont actually write them in an unbiased way. I also think that of all the people u've analysed, none of them have come off well which strikes me as odd because clearly they arent all rebels. The only person benefitting from your posts, seemingly, is TTaM.
I dont know if ur a rebel, you havent actually done anything specific that screams that at me, but i dont understand why your so hot to shout people down, on seemingly anything that you dont agree with right away.
As i said, i want to do a long post when i get home supporting this one but as of now i have to get back to work.
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Shiftey
##Unsupport: Kawe
##Support: Mouseh
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As i said earlier on IRC, i will be changing my vote for captain from mouseh to Emptyy, both of them seem like a solid option to be captain, and to be serving the Imperials interest.
##Unsupport: Mouseh
##Support: Emptyy
On a side note, this seems a bit suspicious to me, i might just be the fact that Doomslay havn't said alot, but it just seems out in the blue..
Due to the suspicious vote switching.
##Vote: Kawe
##Support: Delling
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Just read through most of it. Emptyy's post was helpful, but i'm not going to trust him completely for posting it and i think Mouseh would be a better choice for captain as she has been a reasonable voice in the game so far.
TTaM and Shiftey changing their votes almost in unison seemed a bit suspicious to me, like they could be working together. However, TTaM made a good argument afterwards.
So..
##Support: Mouseh
I need to think more about who i think should be lynched, will post a bit later.
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I have nothing to hide ET :)! given my reasoning too.
Also bare in mind although emptyy made a very good post, kawe and him could be working together as rebels.
A lot of the people who voted for mouse are now switching to vote him to captain. (although it does make sense, it was a really good post) its still something to watch out for.
As I said earlier, the rebels will be desperately trying to get this captain spot.
That being said, not everything can be taken as suspicious, it does have its merit.
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was a little unclear - by switching to him i mean from mouseh to emptyy
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Just to mention, on IRC (http://webchat.quakenet.org/?nick=PebbleGobbler&channels=#iron-edge), you can now do !mafia votedfor and !mafia captainfor to get a list of who voted for who, rather than just vote counts!
Page is cached for 30s aswell, so u dont spam my connection.
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Sooooo... what a sudden shift these past couple of hours. Old enemies are new friends?! Players, mainly Shiftey and TTaM, who had problems with Mouseh due to her low post count and suspected ties with Kawe and Tyler are now voting for Emptyy. Who has the same (or less?) post count, it has to be said he did have 1 wicked post!, is suddenly the golden boy? Is that 1 good summary of what transpired enough?
I can, sort of, understand ppl who voted for Mouse or Kawe switching to Emptyy considering his posts tended to favour them, but the rapid switch w/o solid reasoning from TTaM and Shiftey has me baffled (or not?!).
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It's not just the post count that's the issue at hand - Kawe, Dell and Tyler were (in some cases) popular votes, not only because they were active and so on, but also because they had previous game experience and a clear understanding of how the game worked. I think we can all agree that Emptyy has shown, to some degree, that he understand how the meta-game is played. However, I do agree that he needs to post more to solidify his run for captaincy.
Hope this clears it up a bit.
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Personal Log: Private 1st. Class Argus Barbosa; Callsign "Grishnag"
Date: ABY4.05.30
Entry: #2
Went to the cantina today to see what could only be desrcibed as a Insane Assylum, What i saw was just close to maddening Military doctrine totaly broke down after the old man's death, I never thought his death would have this much of an impact on the crew of this ship
Another way of discribing the scene would a Zoo where everyone was flinging their poo at everyone else, The biggest instigators to me would be TTaM he seem to accuse this Arches fellow while at the same time not wanting to accuse him of anything, Then he tries to place the blame on other people.
Now we were told that in the event of the death of the old man (it allmost seems as if he saw his death coming) we would have to cast a vote for the new Captain, Which sounds rather wierd to me wouldnt the chain of command take care of that? Anyway i decided to cast my vote with this Kawe fellow he seems to have the right mindset for the Captain seat, I believe he told me a few months ago that he was one of the old man's croney's.
I figured that if anyone could run this ship it would be one of the admiral's henchmen.
Anyway it's time to hit the targeting range to see if i can still shoot stuff while drunk, Allthough i'm not nearly as drunk as i normaly am so i should be allright
Entry: #2 End
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You need to use the proper vote/support line grish.
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Grishnag is a Cylon
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You need to use the proper vote/support line grish.
allready voted
like 10 pages back or so
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Well, I can see my candidacy isn't going anywhere, so I might as well shift my vote.
I'm going to shift my vote to someone who might not be the most active player, or the most experienced, but who I think can provide the kind of in-depth post-scanning analysis that I'm not willing to do myself (at least while there are so many posts :)
##Unsupport: Delling
##Support: Emptyy
I doubt Emptyy will be the kind of captain to lead us to great glory, but in a game where randomity is our enemy, a sensible, thoughtful captain is a damn good choice IMO.
And, of course, I thank Veilas and Doomslay for supporting me... but alas... the bald-headed neo-nazi-supporting township HAS SPOKEN.
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You need to use the proper vote/support line grish.
allready voted
like 10 pages back or so
Sorry, guess I misinterpreted your post, thought you where voting to lynch TTaM and not Shiftey (whom you voted for earlier)
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Kendo rushed in after his second day of hard work!
These are thoughts floating around in my head.... .
TTaM; You sir rlly like the point and poke tactic. Now this might be just indeead a poke and see what happens,
the fact is it kinda back-fired on you mainly because of Kawe and Shiftey posts!
Suspicious you are at the least.
Mouseh; made some good posts. Was mentioned as captain and did go for it.
Then switched. Undecisive; dont want someone that cant make up her mind as captain.
Kawe; He made a big campagne against TTaM after he was in the top of the vote count
and with some succes he got alot of people to switch to TTaM, people swayed for what appeared
to be a very good post, but if you read it good and not a quick glance you see its alot of
double speak and very little informational. Rlly hard trying to save yer own skin. Perhaps a little too hard?
Instrinsic is following Kawe closely with everything. Kawe changes vote, 5mins later Instrinsic changes vote.
Has not said anything since day1. I find this still very suspicious, just like on day 1.
Chippen; voted Vorte day 1, supports TTaM day 1, nothing happened since. Buddies?
Shiftey; You are really switching back and forth with your votes and who you call friend or foe.
One moment you accuse Kawe, the next moment you agree and follows him (TTaM direction in this case),
then later on you switch back and forth again. I not sure but you and Kawe might be setting us up with
this so-called war/lets be friends thing.
Tyler; bit sceptical about you; you made some nice posts, thats it.
All this hasnt changed my thought about Kawe; he is still on top of my list.
About the captain; will vote later on, really think its important to vote for that and so should all of you consider it to be important.
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You need to use the proper vote/support line grish.
allready voted
like 10 pages back or so
Sorry, guess I misinterpreted your post, thought you where voting to lynch TTaM and not Shiftey (whom you voted for earlier)
he currently doesnt need my vote to get lynched so no reason to change
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I am truly mortified that a loyal and staunch supporter of the Empire as myself are being looked upon with suspicion... But I can see why. My early posts were abit too much "from the hip" and I got abit too much into "dont trust anyone" mode, which was abit bad. Hence my lack of posts lately, I stepped back, took a breather, resettled into my chair and started thinking instead of reacting. So after reading thru the backlogs, esp the summary posts made, I feel that Kawe is trying to sway people by bludgeoning them with words, and I feel he's trying too much to sow confusion and chaos into the imperial ranks. Which is why i'm gonna go
##Unvote: Vorte
##Vote: Kawe
As for Captain, well this is abit harder, I rather lynch a imperial then vote in a rebel captain. And I still feel abit jittery to vote for anyone who actually asks for the captaincy, which is something i'm sure rebels are doing. I also think that what emptyy did was pretty nifty, BUT could be a clever ploy by the rebel faction.
So, i rather abstain my captaincy vote then take part of voting in a rebel (Not that I actually think Emptyy is a rebel, just that the chance exists) Still got some hours left until the votes are counted so I'll hang back and see if my stance need changing in regards to the captaincy
##Unsupport: TTaM
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This move towards Kawe is a supprise to say the least. Can someone summarise what he has actually done. I see lots of "sow confustion" type comments, but no quotes to back them up. I mean Kawe has posted a lot, and it's constent as far as I can see. Are you guys really saying that of the 26 suspects Kawe is the best one?
I also note that this move to Kawe appeared to happen after he switched to TTaM. Kendo I think you have it wrong, Archz was top when Kawe switched vote to TTaM. I am also gonna post this little bit of IRC
[17:12] <TTaM> i just gotta hope he's not the git with the blaster and shoots me as he's lynched... or was that something different?
[17:12] <@delling> think that's vengeful...
[17:12] <@delling> er...
[17:13] <@delling> not sure actually
Now I don't want to read too much into this, but it doesn't really sound like Kesh is worried about killing an innocent. More like he doesn't want to go down too.
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Chippen, earlier on you said you didn't want to vote for anyone who put themselves forward for captain, and now you say you don't want to vote for someone because they could be a rebel - and given that anyone could be a rebel, you don't want to vote for anyone. Except until the votes from others are already there and you can be a bit sway an exisitng vote?
Grishnag, you've made a post suggesting that you supportive of the way I'm playing, yet your vote is currently still a non-entity of sorts. You're not fighting for it or reasoning properly for a Shiftey vote, but neither are you committing to taking part in the current major votes. Why is this?
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A sudden switch in peoples votes, now points towards Kawe? Interesting as i cannot see how Kawe have been acting out of Imperial interest. He's gone deep into some matters and pointed some strong things out, namely his post agaisnt TTaM, yet now people see him as to be lynched?
Has this something to do with the Imperial discussion trying to make 2 Aces instead of having a player like Kawe sit with Captaincy and aswell being byfar one of the strongest players in the Pool?
also noticed something that might connect..
Both Doomslay and Delling have recently changed their votes to Kawe, and both Supported Delling as Captain, along with Veilas, speaking of veilas he's gone for the "neutral" vote in Arches? I dont know if theres some sort of link but could be..
I'm aware that Delling has changed support to Emptyy, but is could just be a matter of "tagging along"
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Ah, I didnt make myself clear enough. I'm not voting cause anybody can be a rebel, I'm just not voting on emptyy ATM because i think his stunt is too much of a clever rebel tactic then actual imperial helpiness, Atm my vote wont do anything anyway, so I rather not put it down before i've really decided. As I said earlier, I rather lynch a imperial, then vote in a rebel captain.
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Shiftey, I like how you're targeting individuals, one at a time and pointing out their suspicious/odd posts. This allows the focus to go from person to person, and helps us make up our mind about persons based on facts. Also, we get to see who's immediately defensive or if they respond in anoter weird way. We should keep on following this procedure.
Kawe (and others), I know I haven't posted a lot. Will try to make some more summarising posts during this game, next one after captain has been elected. I will also probably be more 'aggressive' when I feel I have more to go on.
I would argue that people that are being very certain on who's what already on day 1 smells like rebel to me. People have different tactics and approaches, some people write in a way that gets easily misunderstood. We will hopefully be able to draw some better conclusions after the first night.
Votes for lynching and captain speak louder than words.
I will try and have another look at the thread with 'fresh' eyes, and perhaps re-vote and re-support during the evening. I encourage all of you to do the same, and not just tag along with what seems to be 'mainstream'.
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Just putting my thoughts on the forum now that I?m back from university and less hung over. I will not try to analyse every single person, but focus on the people who have actually spoken up the most and are now getting votes from others. That is of course not to say this clears less frequent posters of anything, I?d just prefer not to hint at anything I have even less to base such hints on.
With respect to answering accusations, I would personally prefer it if people used reasons rather than questions as it is too easy to just bounce the ball on if you answer with a question. For example: ?Why would someone see that post as framing?? is was less constructive than ?My post is not a framing because he said these two things that are incompatible: ??. Is it not the general idea that rebels will sooner or later start to be inconsistent, which is easier to spot if we all use less questions in answering? (See what I did there (Twice (?)?)?)
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A few words about the Captain role: The power to instantly lynch a single person is of course powerful, but in relative terms it isn?t a catastrophe if we give it to a rebel in the early game where we still outnumber them by a large margin. If a rebel gets it and uses it quickly before there?s a general consensus on who to lynch, he?s exposed and we just use the ordinary lynch to dispose of him.
I propose that we agree on some sort of criterion on how we as a group, including the Captain, would like to see the ability used, for instance treating it like an extra daytime lynch or something else (feel free to chip in here). If the Captain doesn?t follow this agreement, we lynch him/her.
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Before I get to specific persons, I?d like to comment on a few things that people consistently use as indications of suspiciousness that I do not agree with:
- When making lists of people one suspect might be a rebel, I do not see the problem in that list having more than six people. One is bound to get it wrong on most counts, so I would wager that as long as you try to make a prioritized list, having more than six candidates is not in itself inconsistent or stupid.
- I worry that some people are reading too much into posting activity or lack thereof. I can see that the rebels might like to stay out of the spotlight, but at the moment there are so many people who are not posting much due to real life activities that I think it is impossible to see trends yet.
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The people I have anything to say on, in alphabetical order are:
- Archz: Sorry to say, but you?re still a pretty good candidate for a blind lynch in my book. It mainly rests on the fact that you screwed the village pretty badly in the first game, and your play so far doesn?t indicate that you learned much from the critique you received for it.
- Kawe: The full on attack on Kesh just doesn?t sit well in my guts. I think several of the points in the post are just results of over analysation. This does make sense if you are trying just a little too hard to make the pieces ?fit? to incriminate Kesh. In relation to the general points made above, I think you jump a little too hard on Kesh poking/prodding more than six people. As it was stated, prodding people randomly to see how they react is a good way of exposing the rebels, and that was really what Kesh did with his first post. Hell, you even pointed fingers at four people (Shiftey, Shanks, Chip and Vorte) in your very first post (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg100938#msg100938), yet when Kesh does it (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101064#msg101064) he?s suddenly a rebel?
That said, I agree on some of the other points made about Kesh and his defense of Chippen and I approve of the effort you make to get people to post more and use the forum instead of IRC. It could be that you just have a really good reading on Kesh that I don?t see, so if we lynch him and it turns out he is a rebel you?re well in the clear in my book. If it turns out that he isn?t, I personally wouldn?t eat an apology of it being a just mistake, as your post then looks like a very clear framing in rebel interests.
In other words: If we lynch Kesh and he is not a rebel, I would suggest we lynch you in the following day. If we lynch Kesh and he is a rebel, then I will offer my admiration of your analytical capabilities with respect to Kesh.
- Mouseh: The way in which she has been put forth as a candidate could be viewed as suspicious by some, but I think it was so indirect and done by multiple people who are generally otherwise speaking against each other that I feel relatively safe supporting her as Captain. See above note on the role.
- Shiftey: I think you over analyse everything so much that it is flat out hurtful to the Imperial progress. In your post about Mouseh (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101354#msg101354) you criticize her argument that Tyler badly analysing people in the previous game means he shouldn?t be Captain in this one. In my book that?s actually anything but a weak argument. The Captain gets the power to instantly lynch a person of his choosing, and if anything that power should either rest in the hands of a person that has demonstrated the ability to reach correct (or no) conclusions rather than wrong ones? As for the excuse for lack of time, see above. The trend of strange logic continues throughout the post.
And fucking hell, using an excuse for bad English to imply that she?s a rebel? It?s beyond stupid in my book. I don?t really think you?re a rebel, but I find your logic so lacking that it hardly matters.
- TTam: Prodded a few people, but I don?t really see him being overly suspicious. The reply to Kawes accusations is pretty good in my book, if nothing he has the same reservations with respect to Kawes logic as I have.
Somewhat unrelated, I liked the idea of Emptyys post and the extended functionality of Kesh?s bot, but I miss a time resolved log of when people set and switched their votes. Hence I made the graphic seen below. Please be aware that I made it by looking through the posts manually, so I might have made mistakes on timings or even missed some votes. I also made one for the Captain vote, but it isn?t finished. Will add asap. I?ll update them as we go along, at the pace I am able.
##Support: Mouseh
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Archz: Sorry to say, but you?re still a pretty good candidate for a blind lynch in my book. It mainly rests on the fact that you screwed the village pretty badly in the first game, and your play so far doesn?t indicate that you learned much from the critique you received for it.
Care to ellaborate on how I screwed over the village?
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Captain votes attatched. Not counting when people stated they would run.
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That's a pretty decent post Starbrow, especially the spreadsheet.
I've been pretty busy at work today, and I've been catching up on the posts made just now.
When it comes to the captain I don't think either mouseh or emptyy is a bad choice. I feel both of them have shed some light on the entire situation and I don't think any of them are rebels. As for my self, I'm not really that eager to be the captain, and won't try to swing the votes in my favor. I simply think I'm not decisive enough to have that role. So far I have a hard time pointing out any obvious rebel and don't really have time to overanalyze the posts done here.
Now, for the lynch votes, I've seen both Kawe and TTaM as suspicious for most of the game, but as I've thought about it for a while, it starts to look like maybe none of them are rebels. They're both pretty aggressive in their accusations and defense points, but I think that is partially due to them firing each other up. One point is certain, if none of them are rebels, the rebels them selves is in a dream situation as this issue seems to be splitting the empire.
My current vote is still for TTaM, as I don't really see a good target for lynching. Hopefully the discussion tomorrow after the captain has been elected can reveal some more details.
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I would like to thank Emptyy for finally seeing my strategy I've been implementing since the start. Going from person to person, aggravate them and see if they respond. And I got results.
However since everybody is considering me as a retard or terrible and that all I say is wrong. My attempts on doing my part for the empire are just blindly dismissed. You know what, I do not care one bit. I am not basing my arguments on some random hunches or made up lies like some people already started to, but on guides with step by step approach how to attempt at revealing mafia.
At least I am trying... unlike most of people so far.
No matter what people say, I shall continue my work as I think the job has been well done so far. At least I have one consistent approach I apply to everyone. Not a random scattershot policy.
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Unless i'm missing something on the spreadsheet starbrow I didn't change my support, very nice work though indeed!
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@ Starbrows word on rebels getting the captaincy.
Dude the captain is voted in by all of us, and hopefully it will be a majority vote, this means we arent about to go lynching our captain, meaning if he's rebel he can keep his 1 hit for as long as he likes, ie. hit a blue if he wants or turn the tide of the game when the numbers dwindle substantially. Methinks it wld be pretty stupid to just whack a random green early on. Not to mention the double vote, again, late game, very important.
I'd say that giving the captaincy to a rebel would be a pretty fuckin big deal indeed.
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That's a pretty good post Star. A rebel with the power to lynch anyone during the day is actually very dangerous, especially if they go unnoticed for some time. I see what you're saying though about early game.
One thing I found a little odd is that you've accounted for what happens if we lynch TTaM, but not me. I think this is very important too, because I think that lynching someone because they were wrong is terrible - if we lynch me, any decision to follow up with a lynch on kesh, if it's based purely on me being innocent would be terrible. Looking at people's posts is far more important.
Regarding what you said about my post pointing at what made kesh suspicious, that is easily the best critique of it - and more what I would have expected from Kesh himself as a defense, and this is also another point on which I disagree with you. I found Kesh's response to it extremely charged and self-preservatory. His conduct following my post and continued reaction surrounding it has been, I think, far more of an alarm-bell trigger than anything in my post, by a very long ways.
Other than that, the chart along with Emptyy's post are very good tools for quickly seeing the activity levels of various players. Speaking of Emptyy, I should say that the post I made never once labelled kesh as a 100% certainty, but I was pretty damn proud of it; there's no denying it feels good when you've got a plausible situation.
Mapping out potential scenarios, by the way, is something I'd encourage, and then if you disagree with them, point out the flaws sensibly, as has been done by Starbrow. Shooting them down by simply calling it stuff like 'doublespeak and lies' (hi kendo) smacks rather instead of a kneejerk reaction.
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Starbrow referring to the last mafia game. The people posting less than others were either blue or mafia. It makes just as much sense for a blue to keep out of the spotlight as a mafia.
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If Goza is available at 00:00 the count will be right then. If not, i will be available around 03:00 to do it. I'm sorry for the delay.
Any votes or changes cast after 00:00 will NOT count, even if the results are delayed.
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Also I must support Kawe's statement about not reading too much in to the first set of votes.
We killed 3 innocents last game, mainly based on the fact they were wrong in the preceeding lynching.
I think we have to look at trends and group dynamics more than single people being wrong. I havent read anything resembling a smoking gun yet. We have to decide what strategy we think the mafia is using.
Are they sacrificing the captain position in order to cover their tracks in the rest of the game (quite a sensible move imo), or are they risking getting exposed by affiliation in order to get the extra kill and vote.
The lynch vote is more important since mafia will work hard to save another mafia since a dead mafia puts the a lot closer to defeat.
An imperial captain can potentially help them as much as a rebel captain since imperials have no "real" knowledge.
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Yup - this is why the ideal situation for the rebels is to have something Delling suggestd having earlier; a 'puppet' captain. Even if the captain is innocent, he is possible to be swayed, perhaps especially by those who voted for them. Additionally, the rebels suffer greatly minimised risk, for a potential gain that would of course cause yet more chaos and confusion at their whim.
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Grishnag, you've made a post suggesting that you supportive of the way I'm playing, yet your vote is currently still a non-entity of sorts. You're not fighting for it or reasoning properly for a Shiftey vote, but neither are you committing to taking part in the current major votes. Why is this?
as of right now the vote for shiftey is just a vote to not get modkilled
the reason i havent changed my vote as i said before is while i believe that TTaM is guilty of bieng a rebel scum at the moment there is no reason for me to change my vote
if its a stalemate between him and and someone else i see as less guilty then TTaM i will change my vote (i rather have a final say in things as a disgruntled TIE-pilot then some rebel scum)
oh incase you are wondering im just a simple private but i didnt care for bieng a shitty private so a TIE-pilot it is
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oh right since no editing allowed here i should mention that having the votes and the actual discussion in the same topic is realy confusing me
hell i keep forgetting if i voted or not
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YAY 3 POSTS IN A ROW
as kawe pointed out to me on TS just a minute ago
##Unvote: Shiftey
##Vote: TTaM
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I am wrong, going over it, I am just plain wrong about Kawe, I cannot anymore, in good faith, support my theory base don his initial posts. I just cannot. Also if I'd have to chose between TTaM and Kawe getting executed, I'd pick TTaM just because Kawe is better.
Anyway
##Unvote: Kawe
As for who I am gonna vote, who knows, I will see by tomorrow.
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Well Shiftey, I admire your will to soldier on. Hopefully you will start making sense in my world at some point soon :P
Dude the captain is voted in by all of us, and hopefully it will be a majority vote, this means we arent about to go lynching our captain, meaning if he's rebel he can keep his 1 hit for as long as he likes, ie. hit a blue if he wants or turn the tide of the game when the numbers dwindle substantially. Methinks it wld be pretty stupid to just whack a random green early on. Not to mention the double vote, again, late game, very important.
That's a pretty good post Star. A rebel with the power to lynch anyone during the day is actually very dangerous, especially if they go unnoticed for some time. I see what you're saying though about early game.
I agree with Sint and Kawe that giving a Rebel the Captain spot is very bad late game. Short term I don't think it's a complete disaster. To state it again, I think we should discuss how we think it is best that the Captain uses his lynching power, in order to safeguard against eventual rebel missuse.
One thing I found a little odd is that you've accounted for what happens if we lynch TTaM, but not me. I think this is very important too, because I think that lynching someone because they were wrong is terrible - if we lynch me, any decision to follow up with a lynch on kesh, if it's based purely on me being innocent would be terrible. Looking at people's posts is far more important.
The problem here is that you came out very aggressive towards Kesh, whereas he then defended and pointed back at you. This is why I'm not sure I can conclude much if you get lynched and turn up imperial, as the reason for the lynch will not be a crusade by Kesh per se, but a reaction to the feeling that you might be trying to frame Kesh. Do you see what I mean the difference is? If anyone can see how we can conclude something about Kesh's role depening on what Kawe would turn up as if lynched, please speak up.
Because I can only conclude things one way, I think it makes sense for me to support the lynch that I think we would learn something from. Which means leaning towards lynching Kesh actually.
Regarding what you said about my post pointing at what made kesh suspicious, that is easily the best critique of it - and more what I would have expected from Kesh himself as a defense, and this is also another point on which I disagree with you. I found Kesh's response to it extremely charged and self-preservatory. His conduct following my post and continued reaction surrounding it has been, I think, far more of an alarm-bell trigger than anything in my post, by a very long ways.
I'm going to be spending time reading both of your reactions after the starting post with these goggles on before the final vote. My vote still sits on Archz in the meantime.
All this said, the Captain vote is coming up. I suggest we spend the last three hours focusing mainly on that vote so we can get the most information out of the whole process of selecting a "leader", for use later in the game.
PS. Will check support again after dinner and correct mistakes.
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Edit of Captain log: Accidentally put dellings supportswap on Doom. Sorry about that.
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##Support: Emptyy
Levelheaded, calm and has shown proof that he'll probably be of use.
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Ha. Did he buy you a beer or something?
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Not yet!
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I'm going to go with a gut feeling here and support Emptyy as well, as much as I think Mouseh is imperial.
##Unsupport: Vdti
##Support: Emptyy
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Kendo I think you have it wrong, Archz was top when Kawe switched vote to TTaM.
You claim that i was wrong made me redo page 1-25 all over again and you are correct. I am indeed wrong with the following :
Kawe; He made a big campagne against TTaM after he was in the top of the vote count
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This shatters that theory into pieces.
However and i r gonna use Starbrow post for this :
- Kawe: The full on attack on Kesh just doesn?t sit well in my guts. I think several of the points in the post are just results of over analysation. This does make sense if you are trying just a little too hard to make the pieces ?fit? to incriminate Kesh. In relation to the general points made above, I think you jump a little too hard on Kesh poking/prodding more than six people. As it was stated, prodding people randomly to see how they react is a good way of exposing the rebels, and that was really what Kesh did with his first post. Hell, you even pointed fingers at four people (Shiftey, Shanks, Chip and Vorte) in your very first post (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg100938#msg100938), yet when Kesh does it (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101064#msg101064) he?s suddenly a rebel?
mistake, as your post then looks like a very clear framing in rebel interests.
He wrote down with what i feel also.
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I'm going to go with a gut feeling here and support Emptyy as well, as much as I think Mouseh is imperial.
##Unsupport: Vdti
##Support: Emptyy
I agree with Vdti, and my gut feeling right now is go with Emptyy (I hope the bandwagon didn't influence me too much here).
##Support: Emptyy
As I currently have no idea on who to vote for I'm gonna change my based-on-nothing vote to Archz because I think as someone mentioned earlier he doesn't seem to have learned anything from previous game and hurts more than do any good.
##Unvote: Kawe
##Vote: Archz
I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but I think it's a good idea for the tracker to at some point check the Captain?
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##Unsupport: Vdti
##Support: Mouseh
Supporting mouseh because im sure she's imperial and i have my evil eye on some of the people that voted for emptyy
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Erm,
The tracker lets us know if he left his room, and who he visted, and the captain will spend most of his time locked up, no?
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Erm,
The tracker lets us know if he left his room, and who he visted, and the captain will spend most of his time locked up, no?
I forgot the jailor action prevents any action on that person.
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You havent posted much Blackwhale, how come ur sure mouse is imperial?
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The fact that she changed her vote from herself to emptyy before most other people started voting for him and a "gutfeeling" telling me that mouseh is imperial.
The only two people that the maffia would want to have as captain as i assume we lock him up at night would be the rebel scums (or perhaps the rebel droid) anything else would be a too big loss of night abilitys. Looking at the votes from some of the people i think might be higher ranked rebels gives me a few pointers aswell!
My support to mouseh for captain!
I've been working from 10.00 this morning and just got back home so i havent had time to post anything so far today.
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Great post and spreadsheet Star! Damn I wish you had played the last game.
I think the captain's role is a double edged sword for both teams. If a rebel abused his position to execute someone, or refused to execute someone obvious it would be a dead give away. They only have 6 players, it is a blow to lose one. The faster we get them down two player remaining the better for the empire.
Not that I think that we should not care. It is of course much better to get a smart and loyal captain :)
Now on to "Better targets than Kawe"
Chippen: Waded into Vorte for not liking star wars. Did this in 4 (four) posts. Nothing much else since except following Kesh. Except the last thing, unsupporting Kesh in the captain vote. There is no reason to unsupport someone if you are not going to support someone else. Unless you dont want to look guilty later. But imperails don't care about such things, that is the realm of rebel scum.
Delling: There is no way you would not go after Archz if you were imperial. You were the one last game pointing out he is neither use nor ornament. I really regret not following his advice last game. There is also no way he would ever side with TTaM over Kawe unless he has more info than one of them. The timid nature of his posts are nost unlike him. I think he knows he is not a great liar, so is keeping a low profile.
Tronz: He has barely posted at all. What he did made little sense "Give Captain to a weak player as he will do less harm". Voted for Intrinsic randomly.
There are more. TTaM is still sus, but there is a decent chance that the scum are sitting back while we accuse 2 innocent. The other possibility is that TTaM has been recently coached to be less terrible. Still better TTaM dead that Kawe if both are innocent imo. While Kawe might be guilty he would be a greater asset if innocent.
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I voted for Archz, Tyler! Then switched to Kawe after Kesh's post against him.
Everyone seems to have got it into their minds that I'm not a timid person. I'm not the kind of person to just wade in and start making accusations, and building houses of cards on unfounded ideas/rumours.
If I suddenly realize something, I will definitely say. If something leaps out at me, I will say!
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##Unsupport: Archz
##Support: Emptyy
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All these votes make me blush. If I get the role, I hope I can deliver. And if not, Mouseh hopefully can.
##Unsupport: Mouseh
##Support: Emptyy
That's right. I want all the votes for myself, moha. Looking forward to the lynching votes.
Seeing as Eetion-voting didn't catch on, I will vote TTaM, as I think lynching Kawe is a highrisk choice, something I'm not supporting this early on.
##Unvote: Eetion
##Vote: TTaM
Also: Great spreadsheet, Starbrow. Keep up the good work, or yell out if you need help.
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It took me poking you to make you vote in the first place Dell. Then you changed away from Archz pretty quick. I don't think you would go after Kawe so early if you had any doubt. But rebels dont have doubt do they, damn mystical new age hippy types.
As for the Emptyy love, it was a nice post and all, but week on conclsions imo. I still think Mouseh has better judgement.
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At this point I want to draw attention to Ino for the following reasons:
His entire post history in this thread is three short posts:
Private Ino reporting for duty!
I've looked through the logs (this thread) and I agree that we shouldn't have Shiftey or Archz as Captain.
Personally I think Tyler is a good choice for captain because the errors he made in the previous game were partially due to not knowing the exact rules (e.g. mafia doesn't have to kill).
First post, seems pretty fair and legit.
However, what has me itching is:
I feel Kendoki's vote has gone a little unnoticed, and I agree with him so
##Vote: Kawe
I can't make a support vote yet, I'm leaning towards Vdti but he has only posted 2/3 times or so. (Post moar Vdti)
followed by
I agree with Vdti, and my gut feeling right now is go with Emptyy (I hope the bandwagon didn't influence me too much here).
##Support: Emptyy
As I currently have no idea on who to vote for I'm gonna change my based-on-nothing vote to Archz because I think as someone mentioned earlier he doesn't seem to have learned anything from previous game and hurts more than do any good.
##Unvote: Kawe
##Vote: Archz
I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but I think it's a good idea for the tracker to at some point check the Captain?
present a sequence where you have one post saying he agrees with kendo's reasoning and that is why he is voting for me, but then the next post he makes is claiming it was based on nothing. This isn't majorly suspicious, but peculiar at least. I don't think Ino has offered anything of his own, aside from the first post maybe.
The other thing that's got me dwelling on Ino a little is that last game, he was an important blue; he stayed quiet, and it got him killed. This game, if he is a blue it wouldn't make sense to be so quiet having saw the result of that last game, and if he is plain green there's no reason to be so quiet either. This is not majorly alarming, but it does bother me. Is Ino busy atm?
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Tyler - I wasn't keen on voting in the first place (as you say), and I was more convinced with Daekesh's analysis of Kawe, than Kawe's analysis of Archz. So I went with Kawe.
I don't think either of them are rebels (or Kawe is a rebel and has massively overplayed his hand, buoyed up with hubris from last game) -- but as you guys say, voting is better than not-voting.
If I had to cast my own independent vote, I would vote for Ino, Tronz or Intrinsic, because they've been almost completely useless.
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##Support: Emptyy
(Goza: edited for bot-parsing)
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Bah!
Fucking retard kesh.
##Support: Mouse
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No offence to emptyy, i dont think he'd make a bad captain.
However, so many people are voting him as captain because he made 1 post of quotes? then accused et?
really?
mouse and kawe on the other hand have made loads of well reasoned posts, actually talked themselves, pointed things out, had discussions etc. there are infinately more reasons to vote one of them in, or dell for that matter, even shiftey!
Emptyy's post was a good one, having a little database of what people were all doing at that point was awesome for sure, but it was just quotes..
I see nothing in that post that shows he'd be a sensible captain, we've been talking about high risk, high reward etc and so many people vote for emptyy whose had no input into the game himself...
Atm we have a split camp, mouse and emptyy, not having a majority vote means the rebels just all need to back 1 person, then have like 2 or 3 other people and bam! they win the captaincy.
I think its a big mistake voting in emptyy.
A really big mistake, regardless of his faction, there's just no good reason for it.
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That assumes that either Mouse or Emptyy is a rebel, though -- and neither of them look like rebels.
As has been said, at this stage, we severely outnumber the rebels -- 21 to 6! Odds are, both our options for captain(ess) are imperial.
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First of all, yes I'm very busy during the day. I was also quite busy up till 23.00 or so today.
present a sequence where you have one post saying he agrees with kendo's reasoning and that is why he is voting for me, but then the next post he makes is claiming it was based on nothing. This isn't majorly suspicious, but peculiar at least.
23:50 Globox ? I should've posted directly after
23:50 Globox ? which I almost did
23:50 Globox ? yes it was based on something
23:50 Globox ? but people where whining everyone should vote
23:50 Globox ? which I thus did
So bad choice of words from me. There was little info at that point (relative to what we have now).
I don't think Ino has offered anything of his own, aside from the first post maybe.
I'm afraid I can't present big graphs with data, nor be on the forums 24/7. What else do you expect?
The other thing that's got me dwelling on Ino a little is that last game, he was an important blue; he stayed quiet, and it got him killed. This game, if he is a blue it wouldn't make sense to be so quiet having saw the result of that last game, and if he is plain green there's no reason to be so quiet either. This is not majorly alarming, but it does bother me. Is Ino busy atm?
So yes, I was quite busy today, but I'm generally quite busy during the day. Remember last game I wasn't an important blue till 2 hours before the night came. I was in fact green, trying to get some suspicion on me from the mafia so they would kill me instead of a blue.
I'm not entirely sure why you pick on me since there are people with less posts/activity (Tronz come to mind).
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Looking a who supporting for Emptyy as Captain holding them up with people voting for Kawe has make me reconsider my thoughts of our Captain.
I think Mouseh is a relatively safer to make her our Captain.
##Unsupport: Emptyy
##Support: Mouseh
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(http://i51.tinypic.com/2zekva8.jpg) (http://i52.tinypic.com/2jcf33k.jpg)
The crew had cast their votes: The Captain of the Imperial Guard has been selected. Emptyy donned the crimson red robes that perpetually induced fear to the Empire's enemies.
A Royal Guardsman, his entire goal in life is to serve the Emperor, and the New Order he created. This is his goal in life, and his desire in death. However, some guardsmen were known to gain their own ambitions as well as motives to the point that they plotted treasonous actions against the Emperor and even their comrades.
For one moment, the crew contemplated. Have they made a new friend, or foe? Just one thing was certain: One better not draw the wrath of such a powerful force.
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All hail Emptyy!
All hail the dude that looks like he's wearing a blood red Muslim burqa!
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Looks like a Cylon to me!
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*Runs into Emptyy's room to check if he's wearing it*
Waah, he is!
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*Runs into Emptyy's room to check if he's wearing it*
Waah, he is!
And nothing else...
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*Runs into Emptyy's room to check if he's wearing it*
Waah, he is!
And nothing else...
Does that make you drool, hugman? Cause they're always room for one more in this big, red, sexy outfit.
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Tyler - I wasn't keen on voting in the first place (as you say), and I was more convinced with Daekesh's analysis of Kawe, than Kawe's analysis of Archz. So I went with Kawe.
I don't think either of them are rebels (or Kawe is a rebel and has massively overplayed his hand, buoyed up with hubris from last game) -- but as you guys say, voting is better than not-voting.
If I had to cast my own independent vote, I would vote for Ino, Tronz or Intrinsic, because they've been almost completely useless.
This is a very defensive post. Why would you not vote for one of the guys you listed if you think they are useless? Why vote Kawe if you think he is not a rebel? It looks to me like you are keeping a low profile, trying not to stick out too much.
##Unvote: Archz
##Vote: Delling
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Because I don't trust my own judgment!
(I think I've already said this multiple times on the forum and on IRC.)
I receive conflicting info on all sides. I'm being told to vote for X by Kesh/Kawe, Shiftey is telling me to read a strategy guide which tells me that quiet people are usually blues, and my guts tell me to lynch a useless player.
Problem is, it's hard to differentiate between who is quiet and who is useless. It will be more apparent in the next 24 hours.
For the time being, I'm falling into line behind Kesh because a) he's more experienced than me, and b) I agree with his reasoning (or did at the time, and have no reason to switch my vote from Kawe until I have a better choice).
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If you don't trust your own judgment why would you run for Captain and spend 30 minutes making a poster for it?
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Because I wanted to make a poster? :P
If I wanted votes, I would've put 'VOTE DELL' at the bottom of it.
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You actually did post "Vote Dell!" in the post with the image.
Vote Dell!!
(http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6168.0;attach=3969)
You say you were falling into line behind kesh since he's more experienced than you; even though he died before you in the previous game, and was considered to have played poorly. You however did no such 'falling in line' after actually posting that you thought I was talking sense, and although you quickly posted some counter points to my post, as soon as I posted why I wasn't so sure about them, you immediately conceded.
Basically, if I try and apply the rationale you have given for your words and behaviour, it's hard to make it fit with them. If someone else can, or you yourself Delling, by all means go for it.
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Veilas, speaking of veilas he's gone for the "neutral" vote in Arches? I dont know if theres some sort of link but could be..
Maybe i'm bad at this game but i only got a few suspects this early on since everyone should be (and mostly is) doing the same thing ( at least i think so) that being posting as much as possible ,trowing accusation around and looking if someone makes a mistakes!
It's more likely that the leading players on the lynch list are all villagers seeing how everyone just tags along votes !
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Ah man, what a poster.
I'm afraid I don't really have anything to add, Kawe. I can tell you that I didn't put a massive amount of thought into my vote, if that helps. Maybe I was tired when I read your post, but Kesh's post came just after I finished breakfast and was ready to face the world.
As I originally stated, I was more than happy to hold on to my vote until I was more sure of who to vote for. As I've said, I don't think you're a rebel, and if a better (and hopefully not-quiet-blue) target arises, I will switch. Part of me thinks that it would look 'weak' to switch votes without a valid reason. I have no idea if that's strategically sound or not.
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How did i fail to quote that?
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Palmar fixed thx!
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Veilas, speaking of veilas he's gone for the "neutral" vote in Arches? I dont know if theres some sort of link but could be..
I hate these filthy neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand, but with neutrals? Who knows! It sickens me..
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Well, I can see my candidacy isn't going anywhere, so I might as well shift my vote.
I'm going to shift my vote to someone who might not be the most active player, or the most experienced, but who I think can provide the kind of in-depth post-scanning analysis that I'm not willing to do myself (at least while there are so many posts :)
##Unsupport: Delling
##Support: Emptyy
I doubt Emptyy will be the kind of captain to lead us to great glory, but in a game where randomity is our enemy, a sensible, thoughtful captain is a damn good choice IMO.
And, of course, I thank Veilas and Doomslay for supporting me... but alas... the bald-headed neo-nazi-supporting township HAS SPOKEN.
This doesn't look like you losing confidence in yourself. This looks like you deciding you can't win.
For the time being, I'm falling into line behind Kesh because a) he's more experienced than me, and b) I agree with his reasoning (or did at the time, and have no reason to switch my vote from Kawe until I have a better choice).
As Kawe pointed out following Kesh as he has "more experience" than you is flat out wrong, he died before you last game. However he does have more experience of being scum than you...
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We can argue the captaincy thing until the sun sets, but I really don't have much else to add that hasn't been said already. I was making myself available as an alternative option if no decent candidates emerged.
Kesh "played" the first game a lot more than me. In the first game, I basically just ambled along and shot a fairly obvious target. Kesh is the kind of person who probably did a lot of research before this game, and who is quite intent on "winning". He might go about it the wrong way (much like his regular faux pas in WoW), but I still think he knows more about the game than me.
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##Vote: Delling
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Is it can be Delling bandwagon tiem nao?
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Hopefully not :P
FWIW, I will try to add some kind of 'original content' later, to show that I'm for the imperials. I'm working until lunch time, though, so if I can avoid the lynch wagon until then, that'd be great.
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I am not gonna go into massive analysis or anything.
I just re-read all of delling's posts. There's 57 of them and not a single one of them is useful in anyway. Just middle of the road, perhaps trying to stay looking neutral and not too visible.
What you notice in his posts though is very often he's pointing his noobiness, his inexperience or that he's bad at the game or that not even he trusts his own judgement? That's a general theme throughout his posts. Now, why would an imperial do that? Why would an imperial say all of that and then he wanted people to take him seriously for captain vote? Or take any of his arguments or votes seriously if he says he cant play? That wouldnt be much of a use to us now would that?
Those 2 things are 2 big indicators of something is being hidden.
His arguments against some people. Mainly TTaM and Archz are that they are bad and even if they could be blues they should just say so now (WTF?, oh boy delling...another nail in a coffin) or that we should hang them anyway, cause they are simply bad.
I must say though that lot of things and connections in my spreadsheet also make sense. Like who defended who and so on. And somehow, TTaM gets into all of that. And it does make few other people look bad as well.
Well, it's just my opinion. I'll go with that.
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I was asking a question when I mentioned the blue roles exposing themselves, as I didn't know the answer. I can dig up the quote if you like -- or you can retain your decency and dig it up yourself.
I agree, none of my posts have been particularly helpful. I've mostly tried to point people in the right direction and thank people for their input so far. Again, I'm not really interested in being some huge multi-page Imperial Analyst.
I knew this would come about though, as I read the guide you gave me, Shiftey -- the one that says 'he who makes excuses is a rebel'. That's why I said I would try to add some actual high-value, original analysis later today.
Those of you who know me should know that I'm not exactly the filled-with-original-ideas kind of guy. I mostly filter through good ideas offered by other people and pick what I think is the best option. In this case, there hasn't been a whole lot of good ideas -- it's still very early in the game -- so it looks like I'm floundering.
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Its been like 2 hours and no posts, i'm bored here...
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I think the problem, Sint, is that we're all at work -- and unlike you, we're actually working :P
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Hey now! I'm working dilligently! Unlike you, plotting away while "working until mid day" tch.
Nah, i'm just doing shitty data entry stuff atm so i need to do something different every 20 mins or so or my mind starts shutting down due to boredom, hence, post more!
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I voted for Archz, Tyler! Then switched to Kawe after Kesh's post against him.
Everyone seems to have got it into their minds that I'm not a timid person. I'm not the kind of person to just wade in and start making accusations, and building houses of cards on unfounded ideas/rumours.
If I suddenly realize something, I will definitely say. If something leaps out at me, I will say!
I don't think anyone here thinks you are timid online dell. Real life possibly, but as our raid leader for 5 years timid is not the word that springs to mind.
Hopefully not :P
FWIW, I will try to add some kind of 'original content' later, to show that I'm for the imperials. I'm working until lunch time, though, so if I can avoid the lynch wagon until then, that'd be great.
Even this is defensive. You know you shouldn't look defensive, but manage to post that as a defense.
Finally; you made good calls last game. Much better than village MVP TTaM. You voted for TTaM. You whacked Cwave. You killed second night as you guessed you were gonna die. Noob my arse.
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Cwave was a hunch, and it was made on day two, after a lot more information had been compiled and analysed by other players.
I don't recall my voting record, but I know I didn't page-analyse before voting in the last game. I probably voted for Kesh because someone put together a strong argument against him.
re: timidness -- I'm not really up for continuing to defend my character. I shout a lot/make my opinion known, but only if I know what I'm talking about. I'm not some ranting and raving autocratic lunatic. If you think I'm the ranting and raving type, then so be it -- all I can tell you is that I'm _not_.
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So, I've realized that I haven't posted alot at all at this point, partly due to moving but also because I'm once again playing a rather defensive Mafia (which is bad, by all means).
But I've come to the conclusion that all the loudmouths are pretty much having away at eachother while the quiet ones have gone off the radar. I've not been voted on yet, mostly I guess because I've been moving, but there are still some people who haven't posted at all much, of whom we're not even trying to get an answer from as of why.
I think that before we go off and lynch loudmouths (who'll probably help us in the long run more than someone who is quiet, blue or not) I think we should atleast start with someone who is quiet.
My own suspicions thus far is ofcourse Shiftey (still just being crazy, albeit not as crazy as last game, props for that) but also Daekesh.
Daekesh had a really long 4 paragraph defensive post when he was accused and voted on that didn't really contain much content.
With this I definately do not want to agitate a lynch on Daekesh (again, he's a loudmouth and I believe he'll be of use) but rather someone who's clenched his buttocks and mouth the mostpart of this game, just so we can gain some Data.
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Official Votecount, 8h30m before lynch:
TTaM: 8
Kawe: 5
Archz: 4
Delling: 2
Intrinsic: 1
Shiftey: 1
Mouseh, Graxlos, Nachmanun, Shanski, Archz and Blackwhale still haven't voted. Remember that failure to vote will result in a mod-kill.
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Righty, not much posting happening since last night. Because of a lack of forsight or just intelligent thinking I didn't put my spreadsheet on dropbox, so I can't update it from university. Below is a list of the changes made since last night though, as it's not many.
Grishnag:
Shiftey --> TTaM
Shiftey:
Kawe --> Blank --> Delling
Ino:
Kawe --> Archz
Emptyy:
Eetion --> >TTaM
Tyler:
Archz --> Delling
I have a feeling that the whole TTaM/Kawe triade might just be two imperials pointing fingers at each other, and as there really isn't any new information since last night my vote stays where it is (Archz). I agree that Dellings defense at the new accusations against him is a bit weird, but I personally don't feel that it's incriminating enough that I'd rather lynch a person who at least speaks up a fair bit. I won't be home tonight (BBQ with my research group at my supervisors house), so unless it's super boring and I head home early I won't be checking the thread again before tomorrow.
We have still to hear meaningful posts from some, mainly Tronz, Blackwhale and Doomslayer I think? Hiding in the dark corners of the Star Destroyer are we?
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Just gonna vote for the sake of voting so I don't get modkilled if I'm not back from my shift in time.
##Vote: Vorte
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So yeah...
I went off with a wrong start;
- Always assume everyone is telling the truth. Most newbies assume everyone lies...
I let this one go, from the get go. The newbie above, would be me. Also i went into it with the idea that the one who blame people early on, where is no info rlly available, would be guilty as hell while they are just trying to get information out of people.
This has made me review the points i made and posts i wrote, altho i still think Kawe is a bit suspicious (see quote from Starbrow in my former post) i dont think its enough to support it with a vote.
So for now :
##Unvote: Kawe
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I think that before we go off and lynch loudmouths (who'll probably help us in the long run more than someone who is quiet, blue or not) I think we should atleast start with someone who is quiet.
My own suspicions thus far is ofcourse Shiftey...
Doesn't that look inconsistent? You say we shouldn't be too concerned with loud active people just yet and go for the quiet ones and then you suspect me, one of the most active posters? Contradicting yourself in your own posts, well done.
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You have no suspicions of anyone Arch?
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Personal Log: Private 1st. Class Argus Barbosa; Callsign "Grishnag"
Date: ABY4.05.30
Entry: #3
The targeting range i thought i could get away from all the madness in the Cantina if i went there, Even took a bottle of Tatooinian Vodka with me to take a shot if i missed a shot.
Sadly the piece and quiet that i longed for on the Targeting range was not meant to be, I decided to practice a bit with the E-11 blaster rifle since the stormtroopers seem to use it i figured it must be good, Let me tell you i was wrong so very very wrong.
I could go in detail of the how and why but that would bore even me to death.
Anyway the reason i didnt get the piece and quiet that i thought i would get there was because if this wierd fellow called Arches, So here i was half drunk with my blaster in hand and i heard someone crying and mumbling, I didnt know where he was so i went around looking but could not find him I was thinking it was the booze making me hear things.
So i turned around going back the targeting range as i turned around i saw this completely naked guy screaming in my face "LIFE HAS NO MEAN, I'M DEAD", Let me tell you basic blaster safety is not your primary concern while drunk and you have a naked man covered in his own feces screaming in your face, He was lucky my aim is piss poor while sober and bieng drunk doesnt help that in any way, I accedentaly pulled the trigger of my blaster in a scare and allmost shot him in the foot.
He went off through the door down the hallway screaming or chanting "HUEHUEHUEHUE", He was way to fast for me to follow so i just let him get away.
All this crazyness was to much for me and i decided to not bother doing some target practice, I decided to retire to my quarters instead questioning the usefullness of the voting system when we had droids that can see who is lying or not, I mean a voting system only helps these rebel scum sow confusion which is the last thing we need right now, On my way how i could have sworn i saw a Wookie running around, God i hope its just the booze talking there because i've seen what Wookies can do to people and let me tell you they scare the crap out of me
Anyway i think im going to sleep now since i have an early shift tommorow morning. Hopefully i dont have to fly CAP tomorrow.
Right time to log off this log.
Entry: #3 End
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I think that before we go off and lynch loudmouths (who'll probably help us in the long run more than someone who is quiet, blue or not) I think we should atleast start with someone who is quiet.
My own suspicions thus far is ofcourse Shiftey...
Doesn't that look inconsistent? You say we shouldn't be too concerned with loud active people just yet and go for the quiet ones and then you suspect me, one of the most active posters? Contradicting yourself in your own posts, well done.
to be fair shiftey you started this game like you did last game
unlike last game though you went from the batshit insane route to a slightly more sane route
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Can i have a piece of your quiet plz grish?
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are you mocking me boy? i still have a blaster in hand and i could shoot you!
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##Vote: Tronz
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##Vote: Tronz
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BTW voting for tronz due to a complete lack of posts. 1/2 posts without any input something seems off to me.
Would have expected more from him as we were talking about potential plans and strats even before the roles were assigned.
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I'm going to vote now because I'm not sure will I be able to later as I got some friends over. I'm gonna give me vote to Tronz (FOR NOW). Hes either lay low rebel or completely useless empire.
##Vote: Tronz
I'll try to get on comp later on and see if anything new came up.
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The quiet people
I wrote down (manually) who's been posting, when and how long posts on May 31st. The plan was to do the whole thread up to now, but I didn't think it would take _so_ long. Anyway, I've decided to write a script that does this shitty work for me, and it will be done within the start of day 2.
I would like to point out who has been quiet during day 1, as I think we should keep an eye on these folks. Attached image shows post activity on May 31st, and seems representable also for May 30th.
'The lay-low-list' (3L) based on charcount
Archz, Blackwhale, Veilas, Vorte, Tronz, Nachmanun, Insintric.
First: Archz. He's a private. I say that with certainty because of the way he reacted to early teasing/accusations, and most of all because I know him well irl. Yes, I see how one might think 'Probably private, but perhaps a crazy Rebel' when you read his posts, but I tell you: He's a private. Anything else would surprise me. The reason he posts short posts without much 'meat' is that he've more or less given up. I've put him off my 3L, and onto my private list.
Second: Nachmanun: He has travelled.. 1000km(?) since we started the game, and generally been busy. I see he has been more active after getting comfortable here in Trondheim. Therefore, he might not belong on the 3L.
Third: Grishnag: Even though he has posted an OK amount in charcount, he's not really saying anything at all except doing his roleplaying-thing. Therefore, I think he ought to be on the 3L.
So I guess that within these 6 players, we'll see 2, perhaps even 3 mafias and 2-3 blues + a green. Mafia knows this too, and I think a few of the following players will fall the first night, making the remaining more suspicious.
THE 3L: Blackwhale, Veilas, Vorte, Tronz, Insintric, Grishnag
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I forgot Shanski. He's also on my 3L
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##Vote: Tronz
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I realise I haven't contributed all that much, sorry for that - would be nice to have exams out of the way before this game got really juicy, hope I'll survive 'till the 5th of June :P
As for now, the "accidental" trend towards Tronz is something I could support, but I won't be changing my vote from TTaM until I see how Tronz reacts to being accused. (We discussed it briefly on irc - he's gaining a few votes now due to inactivety and the level of his posts being in the lower end of the spectrum. That Graxlos voted for him was supposedly random, but it's really not the worst choice here, better than kawe, as tyler said.)
I also note Kawe becoming awefully quiet today, but maybe he's just sleeping :P
Loving your rp, Grish! I would, like others have mentioned, appreciate if you did some reasoning within it, or do a few better posts concerning your choices!
before I forget.. Globox seemed upset on irc when I pointed out his tone was accusative(a word?), I hope that was not worth picking up in reality..!
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I think that before we go off and lynch loudmouths (who'll probably help us in the long run more than someone who is quiet, blue or not) I think we should atleast start with someone who is quiet.
My own suspicions thus far is ofcourse Shiftey...
Doesn't that look inconsistent? You say we shouldn't be too concerned with loud active people just yet and go for the quiet ones and then you suspect me, one of the most active posters? Contradicting yourself in your own posts, well done.
Wow, anal defensive.
As you'd understand if you tried to not just sling shit around from my post is that at this point in the game I think it's bad to lynch the loudmouths, that doesn't mean I don't suspect them the most, but it's better to kill the quiet ones.
I suspect you and Daekesh, not enough to claim lynches but I have a hunch.
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Here we go, my epic tirade on why Intrinsic is either a) useless or b) a rebel.
First up, he's posted almost nothing. According to Emptyy's chart, he didn't actually post a single time yesterday (the same as Tronz). At least Tronz has been a bit more active today, while Intrinsic remains deathly silent.
Now, Intrinsic COULD be a blue -- I mean, he's a new player, and if he has a fancy role, he'll almost certainly be playing a careful game. But even if he is a blue, he needs to contribute more. There's no point in him being quiet, accumulating votes, and only then revealing his role just before he's lynched. If he's a blue, he should be scheming and analyzing and working out who to hit/track -- and unless he's been secretly conducting lots of investigation (which I doubt), he's simply been useless.
Let's take a look at his posts to see just how useless he is to the Imperial Ideology:
* It recently came to our attention that Vorte has never watched Star Wars and so as a loyal member of the imperial army, I shall be watching him closely!
* What galactic star system is Trondheim in?
Then he goes and attacks Vorte:
* I shall follow suit on the aim of casting out such a mindless soul.
Let the rest of us live in the comfort that we no longer need to occupy the same space as this foul man.
I'm not entirely sure why he attacks Vorte. He switches to Arches after a good post by Tyler, though. He probably voted for Vorte just for (useless) fun. Oh, he also mentions the whole not-watching-Star-Wars thing AGAIN... great.
Curiously, Tronz now votes for Intrinsic to be lynched. Intrinsic's only response is a single frowny face :( Why would the second most useless player vote for the most useless? Are they both newbie blues? Newbie rebels? Tronz says he's voting for Intrinsic just because 'everyone has an equal chance of being rebels'. Cool.
Finally, Intrinsic shifted his vote from Arches to Kesh at the end of May 30 (two days ago!!)
He has not said a word since.
He is either useless, or a VERY SCHEMING rebel/blue (this is v. unlikely IMO).
##Unvote: Kawe
##Vote: Intrinsic
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I'm completely new to this game and so have no idea how it's played. As you can see with my posts they're not entirely serious. I've been playing quietly for this first day to get a 'feel' for the game. That may be rebel play in your eyes but all I can say is i'll post more when I feel comfortable doing so.
I've also just finished uni, really busy writing CV's and applying for god knows what at god knows where.
Hope that helps!
(I may post a text wall after tonights raid so i'm not completely useless)
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With regards to Emptyy, I haven't posted a considerable amount because I have nothing to add that others haven't already said. It is still very early in the game and we don't have a great deal to go on.
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Loving your RP, Grish! I would, like others have mentioned, appreciate if you did some reasoning within it, or do a few better posts concerning your choices!
as shanks says there currently isnt much to go on so cant realy put any reasoning in the RP
hopefully we will get some more information once we get to day 2
PS: Instrikt the first day is ending in like 5 hours or so
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Fuck, i'm useless. :(
Perhaps tomorrow then!
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I'm a bit unsure, but I THINK I like trend towards voting on the quiet people. If it isn't necessarily clever to vote in this way so early, it's at least a way to make the game more interesting. We don't want to end up with many inactive players towards the end, do we?
I voted for TTaM because I thought (and think) voting Kawe is a bit high risk so early. Now that Kawe seems safe for another day, I will reconsider and probably change my vote this evening.
Shankski, there isn't much to go on, that's true. Still, you're in the low-activity-group, and can therefore look a bit 'off', no matter what your reasons and motives are.
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Switching votes to low-activity players definitely seems to get them to speak up. No idea if it's a viable strategy or not -- but it's worth trying out.
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I'm gonna hop on the Tronz bandwagon, while I still think Kawe is a tiny bit suspect, Tronz seems a better day1 lynch target atm, so without further ado
##Unvote: Kawe
##Vote: Tronz
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I'm in a similar boat as intrinsic with regards to not knowing the game well, i AM watching though and taking it all in, i think untill we've got a solid pattern of votes there's not a lot to say thats valuable (that hasn't already been said with charts etc)
Sorry for my quietness!
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I like that there's finally some analysis, and that people are seeming to remain open minded.
The things you say about Intrinsic could, I think, have been summed up by saying "isn't he really quiet?". This is true and something to keep note of, but I never thought of it as somehthing requiring as big a post as yours. Additionally, with regard to uselessness, I would imagine most people would agree that Arches and Tronz beat him out in that regard.
Intrinsic's posts aren't much to speak of at all, as you cover. The 'not being comfortable' to post is something that I hid behind in the previous game.
One other thing that has been bugging me is that if TTaM was rebel, it would have been extremely foolish to try and get a lynch on me; no matter how it turned out - me lynched, him lynched - he would be revealed.
So I'm trying to think about it from the two possible points of view. By coming up with a story for each side and sharing them, it allows us as a group to think about it, which is largely going to be better than any one person doing so.
Rebel TTaM: Reads post against him; panics, doesn't think to point of the holes in it, gets angry at me. Feeling 'already caught', goes for the vitriolic attack on the accusor - at best, lynch an imperial, at worst, be lynched which 'would have happened anyway'.
Imperial TTaM: Reads post against him; as an Imperial who knows he is imperial, takes it, with it being strongly against him, as being a sign I must be a mafia, but is disheartened when votes pour in in response to the post, or perhaps because they are rebels supporting it, and makes the vitriolic posts.
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##unvote TTaM
##vote Hugman
I'm still not sure about TTaM, but this discussion on Tronz and Intrinsic did open my eyes a bit. I went back and re-examined post of inactive players. Hugman starts off active and quickly goes after Arches. After it's clear people aren't joining in/or backing off lynching Arch we haven't heard a thing from Hugman.
Tronz and Intrinsic might be able to hide behind the 'it is my 1st game' defence, although that only goes so far imo. It is NOT Hug's 1st game and he has shown himself to be vocal last game and early on this game. Now it's just silence with the occasional 'hear hear'.
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aye I'm sorry that i not posting very much but tbh i got a bad result with an exam last Monday so I'm been very busy trying to find out if there is a way to solve the problems it created. ill try and get time to read up on the last 10 pages.
what i did notice tho was that shiftey said a lot of things that gave me the feeling he was trying way to hard to look like he cared, while making lots of drama. this could just be his way of playing ofc. but nothing to base anything on atm.
also on a side note those that don't speak up much could be trying to use what happened
last game. where those that didn't talk much was killed the first night. so they are townies trying to get killed to save blues. but it could also be a reserve trick, no way to know. nothing much can be made out of behaviour this early on. you have to get into the game so you can see a differences in behaviour.
some people are smart like kawe(just an example). he is writing in a very different way than last game. this could be because he is a townie and therefore trying to help us but it might as well be a new cover since we knew how he acted last time and we would therefore lynch him first chance we got.
the only tactic i see working right now would be is to get rid of the best players. so that it will be easier to spot the rebels because of their lower ability. this could ofc backfire and we kill of an awesome player that was a blue.
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Voting format correction
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Hugman
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So the end of day 1 comes closer and closer.
I erased my first chain of thought and re-did, re-read, re-watched the graphs. I also have seen alot of talk of some people. Seen some fewer talk of others. Accusations going back and forth switching from one to the other. Before dinner i had four people in mind, TTaM, said alot, some made sense some not, Intrinsic, who said nothing rlly, but explained his vote for Archz at least, Chippen, who has being stating hard he is loyal supporter of the empire, then later comes back which an explanation that made sense, in the way it applied to me also (I got abit too much into "dont trust anyone" mode) and Kawe; for the reason said earlier.
After dinner and reading the newest posts, Tronz came up suddenly. For the reason he didnt say much and i checked and i agree he rlly hasnt said anything rlly other the vote for Intrinsic twice, nothing else. Everyone else did respond one way or the other and that i find disturbing the least, so :
##Vote: Tronz
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##Vote: Tronz
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##Unvote: Shiftey
##Vote: TTaM
So, we've seen a massive switch to Tronz, with graxlos giving _NO_ reason (herp)
And not really any reason from anyone other than he's quiet.. I do understand tho that quiet often means blue/rebel as i said in an earlier post.
Since his massive tirade/defence/back and forth with kawe, kesh has said zip, i get the feeling that he's waiting for things to blow over and that this tronz switch is somehow involved. He's 'resigned' from the game in my eyes, not doing any 'useful' posts or giving any input like he did at the start of the game.
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##Unvote: Shiftey
##Vote: TTaM
MAYBE ONE DAY I'LL LEARN HOW TO VOTE
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I just noticed as well that nachmanun gave _NO_ reason for voting for Tronz too.
These votes are the ONLY votes we've had so far with no reason behind them, this is fucking weird imo
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@sint, I explained Graxlos' vote in my last post, reread it please.
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Currently a vote for Kawe is a vote for no-lynch, and that's bad for the town. I've not changed my opinion of him, but I guess we'll need to wait until the next day to see what developments come.
The only vote that I can really make before the raid, to actually get somebody lynched today, seems to be for Tronz. Sadly after this I won't be able to change it until after the voting time ends.
Sadly, Sint, I've been busy today with GSL and a sky engineer upgrading our system! And now I have a raid :(
##Unvote: Kawe
##Vote: Tronz
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I just noticed as well that nachmanun gave _NO_ reason for voting for Tronz too.
These votes are the ONLY votes we've had so far with no reason behind them, this is fucking weird imo
Kill the quiet ones.
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@ vorte, i didnt mention you
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Wat.. I'm not saying you did :P I'm saying I explained why people are voting for Tronz, and that Graxlos' vote was random!
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I was just reminded that Hug has new job in London which prevents him to post during the day.
I'll need to rethink a bit.
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Ah derp i didnt see that u were explaining graxes vote, i misread you.
I still find it utterly insane that in the time it took me to get home from work (1 hour give or take) that we have 7 votes for Tronz cos 'he's quiet'.
Loads of people are quiet.. why tronz?
I'm so weirded out right now you guys, some1 hold me
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*Holds sint*
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Yet another valuable addition, Intrinsic.
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I aim to please.
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okay so it seems everyone says "kill the quite ones" but if everyone knows this. then anyone that had an important role would not be quite, right. so insted of voting because other people say so. make up your own mind. think things trough.
i have been reading a bit now. also using a guide that others have read render it useless as they will play by it :p
and i did mention, but i will again. i have irl issue which was my reason for not posting anything yesterday and had another exam this morning. so please for the sack of the game don't take that into consideration(The lack of posting for the last day) while casting your vote as it had nothing to do with it.
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Currently a vote for Kawe is a vote for no-lynch
didnt the rule change? there will always be a lynch for the one with the highest vote. so why change your vote?
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Nay tronz, it means that by voting for kawe - who wont have enough votes to be lynched - is effectively a wasted vote
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Yes it will be the highest vote or the first one to reach the highest vote if two players have equal amount of votes.
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so kesh votes for me insted of going with what he believes and hope some more people will be overturned. so if everyone does that then only the few people that started to vote for me has decided the outcome as the rest are just followers. seems wrong to me but yeah. as an imperial i will gladly take the hit to save the ship!
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I'm sorry i pressed post by accident >.<
so kesh votes for me insted of going with who he believes is a rebel and just gives up insted of trying to convince townies! so if everyone does that then only the few people that started to vote for me has decided the outcome as the rest are just followers. seems wrong to me but yeah. as an imperial i will gladly take the hit to save the ship!
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##Unvote: Tronz
##Vote: Intrinsic
Atleast Tronz has the dedication to defend himself.
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I was about to say the same -- I believe Tronz's story.
I don't think his position is any weaker than any other inactive player.
(But having said that, Intrinsic is probably raiding right now... so... yeah.)
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HE CAN DEFEND HIMSELF DURING THRASH DAMN IT
i still don't get all this vote hopping to tronz... seems like kesh has his rebel filth whipped like only a woman could
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So I'm off to bed and still haven't decide who to change my vote to since the logic for voting for hugman was flawed. Since I have nothing better to go on I'm reverting my vote. Largely due to the fact he has been so silent since being top vote except for the post joining the Tronz bandwagon (wtf is up with that?)
##unvote: Hugman
##vote: TTaM
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So like, if ever there was a bandwagon, i think this one with Tronz would be a grand example.
Emptyy, Tyler: Very keen to jump on the Archz bandwagon. Bandwagons are Mafia territory.
Then kesh hops on the tronz bandwagon, are you admitting ur a rebel kesh?
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I'm going to have to go with my previous assessment that neither TTaM nor Kawe are rebels. With the current situation, that leaves me with the quitet and non-contributing ones. I was leaning towards tronz, but after his last posts he's gained a tad more credability. Not much though.
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Intrinsic
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Hmm, many changes in a day.
Going for Tronz as he is quiet is not a bad thing, though going 0-6 in 8 hours is odd.
He has been quiet, but there is also: Doomgay, Blackfail, and Velias. Though saying that, I did say to Tronz quite emphatically on monday, that if he didn't make posts soon, he would die, either by the mafia thinking he is too quiet, and killing him as a suspected blue, or the Imperials thinking he is too quiet, and lynching him as a suspected red. He did post in his defence, which is good, but took 2 days to do so after my warning, which looks bad.
Anyway, I am still on Arches for reasons previously mentioned. I am intending to switch to someone else, if a decent enough case is brought forth against him.
But tbh, at this point, all of the accusations I have seen so far (Kesh, Kawe, Tronz, etc) seem to be a lot of "He was looking at me funny" reasoning, with little to back them up. Day one seems to have been full of this, with a lot of flimsy accusations flying around (which isn't a bad thing, as it provokes posting), but it seems to me that there are a lot of people being noisy and drowning each other out, while some are allowed to just lurk.
I am aware that this can very much apply to myself, as I haven't been at all vocal this first day, as opposed to my rather long and consistent vocalism last game. I kinda realized late last mafia game, that having set such a precedence, you would expect me to be just as vocal this game, and would be concerned If I didn't post as much at the start of this game.
As I have said to many of you before, I think that because of day 1's lack of real data (ie series of votes, rather than just one, several pages of post by someone, including changes cause by night deaths/lynching), 90% of the accusations are basically ungrounded. While this can occasionally get is a red lynch, it isn't really wise to get to worked up on someone, based on that data, unless they really and clearly fuck up as mafia. That is why you haven't seem me vocally posting much, either in attack or defense of someone at this point in the game. Most of my reasoning and large posts last game, were based on several days of data, which cause me to feel the need to post about my conclusions. Simply put, I just haven't had enough real data yet.
As far as I am concerned, come the morning of day 2, that is when I can really get to work. Palmar may scoff at me, for thinking this (as he is prone to do, whenever I say anything), but thats just where his and my opinions differ.
As for my recent job change, well that isn't really a valid excuse, when it comes to my posts. Yes, I am now working and commuting a lot more, and leave early and get back much later than before, but If I wanted I could have made this post yesterday evening (there wasn't really any need, but doing it now, to put your minds at ease). I stated clearly at the start of last game I was a green, and have stated that I am green at the start of this game (fucking Palmar! I wanted some powers!), and both are true. Obviously you will have to wait a few days for it to show that I am telling the truth, but hey, thats the game.
The idea of lynching one of our "quiet ones" is acceptable by me, but massive jumping onto one without at least some reasoning as to why him, over the several others, is rather suspect.
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hug it wasnt 0-6 in 8 hours it was 0-7 in 1 hour.....
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i think what we should be looking for are those trying to set the bandwagon up as they seem to be working quite well to get certain players killed. one started with kesh where 3 people voted on him within minutes and now with me. someone must be pulling the strings! seems odd that this would happen in the same way on the first day. the ones pointing the fingers are normally doing so to keep people from looking at them.
i guess I'm in that group of people pointing fingers but i am doing it now to try and reason with the people that can see i am being frame by the rebels. all they want is revenge from the late goza for the killing of their friend! don't be fooled into killing one of your own
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Well Tronz has at least said something to defend his cause. As a result I'm changing my vote to Intrinsic as I have not seen anything remotely useful from his posts.
##Unvote: Tronz
##Vote: Intrinsic
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Following on with my "not enough data on day 1" reasoning, Dell made a good point on irc.
Most Mafia games, start on "night 1" and then go onto "day 1". This gives the players something to "go" on rather than just having a whole day of WIFOM, and "looking at me funny" posts. Palmar, being the deviant that he is, likes to start it earlier, so he can revel in the chaos.
Anyway. Having spent some time on irc with both Kawe and Kesh, I feel that both of them are likely green, and could just be repeating what happened between myself and Tyler during day 1 of the first game. However, one of them still could be rebel, as both have (imo) said things which could be indications of rebelness. But these are just indications, and are no way solid enough grounds for me to vote for either, so I won't vote for either.
As far as I am concerned, Kesh and Kawe aren't a big issue, as they post decent amounts, and attempt to use logic to prove there points. I would rather go with someone who doesn't post, or stick with my initial assessment of Arches, as I feel that the two k's will have plenty of time and posts to fuck up with over the coming days.
Since Tronz seems to have a lot of heat on him, without much backup, I wont do him. As for the other 3 quiet ones I mentioned, If I vote for one of them, and people start to follow, then I worry that I have unintentionally contributed in killing an Imperial (as I am sure that if it gets enough for a lynch, and this late point in the day, a decent percentage, would be from Rebel votes/pressganging). So I am sticking with Arches.
And then tommorrow, we sleuth!
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The Tronz-wagon
Graxlos, 04:20PM
Shankski, 04:30PM
Mouseh, 04:49PM
Nachmanun, 05:09PM (changed to Intrinsic later)
Chippen, 06:22PM
Kendoki, 06:52PM
TTaM, 06:57PM
As mentioned, the wagon quickly gained momentum, and without much else reason than that he's been inactive. I see this as either a mafia trick to get attention away from an actual mafia, or townies that thinks TTaM is a wrong choice.
After Tronz was /wagoned, he have come forth and made some sensible posts, which is great. The posts have not been panicky, but sensible and clever. I think there's much better 3L-choices than him, and will therefore vote Intrinsic, as I see him as the current alternative.
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Intrinsic
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##Unvote: Vorte
##Vote: Intrinsic
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to continue on from hug's post about what we can learn on day1/night1 etc, we'd learn the least out of voting for intrinsic imo, kesh's lynch would give more info.
I'm aware that i'm been pointing the finger at kesh pretty hard here but i dont see what we gain, information wise, from lynching intrinsic short of a lucky rebel catch.
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to continue on from hug's post about what we can learn on day1/night1 etc, we'd learn the least out of voting for intrinsic imo, kesh's lynch would give more info.
I'm aware that i'm been pointing the finger at kesh pretty hard here but i dont see what we gain, information wise, from lynching intrinsic short of a lucky rebel catch.
Same would be true of all the "quiet" ones. But at least kesh posts.
It is day one, odds of getting a red lynch are against us.
Worry less at getting a mis lynch, and focus more on finding patterns ready to compare to the data we get on for day 2
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I should have put this in my last post really, but dell noted on IRC that day 1 is full of wagons. It seems unlikely that the mafia have no part in the wagon'ing
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im sure instrikt would defend himself if he was able to seeing as he is raiding and such
i think he is anyway
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@ hug dude i'm not worrying about a mislynch at all!
i actually think its unlikely that kesh is red, but the way things have gone we'd gain so much more info from lynching him, or kawe for that matter, the posts made about those two were reaction posts, and emo ones a lot of the time as well, with random vote switches from people going from one to the other. Lynching tronz or intrinsic we learn... that they were green? and got wagon'ed for nothing?
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Lynching tronz wasnt really my intention. I voted for someone without votes.
I think intrinsic is more likely to be a rebel
##Unvote: Tronz
##Vote: Intrinsic
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@ hug dude i'm not worrying about a mislynch at all!
i actually think its unlikely that kesh is red, but the way things have gone we'd gain so much more info from lynching him, or kawe for that matter, the posts made about those two were reaction posts, and emo ones a lot of the time as well, with random vote switches from people going from one to the other. Lynching tronz or intrinsic we learn... that they were green? and got wagon'ed for nothing?
Maybe I am just not following you.
Lets assume all 3 are green (just run with it)
How will we learn more, by lynching kesh, than by lynching tronz or the scot (who seems to have jumped up quickly)?
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How do we learn more by lynching someone who has had interactions with a bunch of people than by lynching someone who has had basically no interaction with anyone, and whose vote train was started by the suspicious delling?
Gee, I wonder. I'd much prefer me or kesh were lynched; even if both of us are innocent, at least over the following days our interactions before death with the ohter players would provide something to think about.
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##Vote: Intrinsic
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Aye, thats what i'm getting at hug, assuming all 3 are green.
Tronz and intrinsic were just bandwagoned for being quiet. There was no posts from other people defending or pointing the finger at them, it was just that they were quiet.
Between kawe and kesh there was people supporting one, then changing, there was people switching as a reaction to other peoples posts, people bandwaggoning, people raging etcetc. i cant elaborate more unfortunately without trawling through posts which, with 1 hour left, i dont want to do. I just feel that the amount of posts we got out of those 2 arguing, compared to the fuck all posts we got out of these two wagons, its clear that this is the wrong choice.
Day 1, all we have to go on is posts, votes/voteswitches, times of voting, reactions to votes etc. None of these happened with tronz/intrinsic
As i said earlier, there is no fucking way, on earth, AT ALL that the mafia arent part of this bandwaggoning crap
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##Unvote: Archz
##Vote: TTaM
What sint said, kesh would give us way more info then anyone else except Kawe maybe , but at this point Kesh is more suspicious in my eyes !
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Inbetween pulls
You're lynching a green.
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Ok now I am fucking worried.
It is shifting bloody fast in just the last 20mins, and is hard to keep up.
First off, WHAT THE FUCK, HOW, WHO, INTRINSIC?
Some of you will be Rebels, but as for those who are not? Rapid changing of votes? Last minute? Care to post reasoning why? Before I pull out my sad face stickers, and start putting them on your name on the graph?
Secoundly, Gaieos? WTF?
You started the ball rolling on Tronz, it steamrolled a bit. Now as it has died down, you take your vote, and put it on someone who your vote will be instrimental in getting lynched, shorty before the lynch happens?
Care to post a bit more logic than: "My no basis vote on tronz was wrong, I think my no basis vote on the scot is better"?
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*shrug*
All I know is that Intrinsic thus far has added nothing of value really, hell - he hasn't even posted his thoughts and opinions from what I've read.
Speak now or get lynched, pretty much - just like with Tronz. If you convince me you're not a Rebel I'll unvote you in an instant.
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Imperial Fleet Private ET reporting in:
I've been looking at alot of what Delling have been saying and doing lately..
From the start he's been talking about how he didnt know the game and wasn't good at it, trying to put himself in sort of a, hey im a noob - please dont kill me, spot. As Tyler did point out in one of his most recent posts. That Delling have been very, maybe even extremely defensive about himself, also he has stated that he doesn't trust his own Judgement, he aswell said he fell in line with opinions of TTaM which i think the majority already have a mindset to be of Rebel material or just very bad Imperial.
Delling swapped to Emptyy, doesn't tell much other than jumping to the badnwagon of captaincy, but he thanks Veilas and Doomslay for supporting him, and i believe those are the actual only two besides Delling who have supported him for captain?
Well, I can see my candidacy isn't going anywhere, so I might as well shift my vote.
I'm going to shift my vote to someone who might not be the most active player, or the most experienced, but who I think can provide the kind of in-depth post-scanning analysis that I'm not willing to do myself (at least while there are so many posts :)
##Unsupport: Delling
##Support: Emptyy
I doubt Emptyy will be the kind of captain to lead us to great glory, but in a game where randomity is our enemy, a sensible, thoughtful captain is a damn good choice IMO.
And, of course, I thank Veilas and Doomslay for supporting me... but alas... the bald-headed neo-nazi-supporting township HAS SPOKEN.
Delling was aswell the first to like "All hail Emptyy" as in, please dont look at me, im no Rebel, kind of thing?
That in mind, also Doomslay and Veilas have been some how quiet or not very contributing (i could have missed something, they just seem quiet to me.)
Doomslay was also quick on the trigger early to point fingers at me.
The recent badnwagon has become Tronz and Intrinsic, two people we have yet to hear anything real contributive from.
But leading this bandwagon, looking at intrinsic, is Delling.. Who's been saying how bad he was at this game and not being able to trust even his own judgement - nearly implying that he is a "noob" is going untouched through alot of stuff and just switching votes to whoever has attention at the given moment, in these cases im also noticing that Chippen and TTaM is both voting for Tronz.
It seems like to me, that Rebel people have started two bandwagons splitting some people on both to get attention of one possibly two of their own. It's just a theory however i think it might be something to think about.
I'm gonna switch my vote:
Not that TTaM is a bad vote, but it is likely that he is a green looking at his play, and thats why i think Delling is a better choice, as i think he is trying to slip under the steam of everything just by tagging along - as he did with his captain vote aswell.
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Delling
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*shrug*
All I know is that Intrinsic thus far has added nothing of value really, hell - he hasn't even posted his thoughts and opinions from what I've read.
Speak now or get lynched, pretty much - just like with Tronz. If you convince me you're not a Rebel I'll unvote you in an instant.
So Intrinsic's post just now is terrible, but you're ignoring
##Vote: Intrinsic
What?
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quote paste fail. You get the idea.
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Not really ignoring, I just find INSINTRIKS wierd posting more sketchy than Failwhales nonposting.
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yea just noticed Blackwhales post only containing his vote for Intrinsic Rather odd
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Not really ignoring, I just find INSINTRIKS wierd posting more sketchy than Failwhales nonposting.
wat?
you dont find it odd that there are 10 votes TEN in 10 minutes for him? its fucking retarded is what
the rebels have a hand in this im sure of it
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Yeah, Blackwhale strikes me as somewhat of a retard...
...so yeah :P
I think that Bandwagoning can be a good indication of things, but this is still the first day and I recommend to not read too much out of it.
Someone should definately record the data though.
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It indeed is retarded, as Intrinsic have said nothing that could make 10 people be so sure he is lynch worthy, and if being silent, is enough to give you 10 votes, there should be some other people receiving alot more votes aswell i believe.
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revoting because the votebot freaked out over my quoted vote from blackwhale
##Vote: TTaM
Nach, the supposed bases of these Tronz and Intrinsic bandwagons are that they're non-posters.
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Right. >:(
Taking names.
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Could be, I voted for Intrinsic myself and I also voted for Tronz, I swapped once Tronz posted because he convinced me, all Intrinsic did thus far was "Your killing a green".
Why I voted for Intrinsic rather than Failwhale is because I didn't think of Failwhale when voting. If intrinsic convinces me to vote otherwise I will gladly do so.
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##Unvote:Archz
##Vote:TTaM
What sint said, kesh would give us way more info then anyone else except Kawe maybe , but at this point Kesh is more suspicious in my eyes !
How much info would TTaM give us, as many has already seen him as a bad played imperial green?
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Take in account that your asking for defence from a guy who's raiding atm (and have been for the better bart of this wagonride)
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##Unvote:Archz
##Vote:TTaM
What sint said, kesh would give us way more info then anyone else except Kawe maybe , but at this point Kesh is more suspicious in my eyes !
How much info would TTaM give us, as many has already seen him as a bad played imperial green?
In the same way that applies to me, he has interacted with many people throughout the day, and means there's a higher likelihood of those interactions, that are recorded on this forum, being a source of valuable information later on.
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As i said ET, there are more posts/votes/switches surrounding them, i think this gives us more info than lynching these two.
All i can say about these two with some conviction is that whoever is lynched, the rebels played a part in it.
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on a side note
100 POSTS! YAAAY
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This whole bandwagon started from delling, this just reeks of a clever play imo
##Unvote: Tronz
##Vote: delling
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Proper format this time
##Unvote: Tronz
##Vote: Delling
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I would not call Dell's play clever, Chippen :P
I don't like to see TTaM sort of slipping under the radar here though, us that played the first game surely must see the similarities? It's what my gut tells me, atleast..
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I had no idea I would create such a bandwagon!
If anything, though, it does save Kesh -- and I think Kesh is of more value to the Star Destroyer than Intrinsic.
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I had no idea I would create such a bandwagon!
If anything, though, it does save Kesh -- and I think Kesh is of more value to the Star Destroyer than Intrinsic.
Again implying that he isn't aware of his actions and trying to "noobify" himself? or is that just me?
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I read that as sarcasm. I can't help but feel you're overincriminating in your every post, ET :P
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It's just weird that Delling has gone so nearly unnoticed?
Ran for captain gaining two votes from people who hard said anything and then changing to Emptyy to just like join the mass of people implying that his captaincy went nowhere?
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Votes won't close until 00:15 to give raiders a few minutes to do whatever they wanna do.
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Changing my vote to Delling because he is the most inconsistance, self-contradictory voter by a mile.
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Delling
Of the two scenarios for TTaM I came up with before, his combative behaviour that has continued on has left me finding it difficult to put much stock in the imperial scenario, but he is still being outdone by Delling on inconsistancy and peculiarity of posts combined with a high number of such posts, easily dwarfing even the second most active posters behind him at some cases by nearly double.
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inconsistance = inconsistant, voter=player, thanks god for male brain and the effects of talking and typing at once.
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Delling totally framing me.
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Delling
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I swear that I didn't frame you, Intrinsic.
I was pressured into adding more 'value' by Tyler, and picked you simply because you're inactive and have given very little (if anything) to the Star Destroyer.
I really am surprised by the bandwagoning!
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I swear that I didn't frame you, Intrinsic.
I was pressured into adding more 'value' by Tyler, and picked you simply because you're inactive and have given very little (if anything) to the Star Destroyer.
I really am surprised by the bandwagoning!
Last minute excuses?
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##Vote: Delling
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is mouseh going to die for posting 12seconds to late?xD
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nah, it just won't count.
Night post coming up.
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##Night
As the day passed, some resemblance of order had been restored. High ranking officers of the Imperial fleet had abandoned their posts and tried posing as privates to avoid murders by the rebels, so the Imperial fleet resorted to voting Emptyy as their captain.
The crew finally found Intrinsic minding his own business and dragged him in front of a firing squad. The time for the rebel scum to die was at end.
(http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/7/71/StormtrooperCorps_anh1080p.jpg)
Intrinsic's last words were simply "For the Emperor".
Intrinsic the Private has been killed
It is now Night. Remember to send in your night actions should you wish to use them. The thread will not be locked, cause people just took it to IRC anyway.
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As your Captain, I do not appreciate sneaking and speaking during the night. We all need our clear thinking for the morning if we ought to figure out who amongst us are rebels.
On a serious note: People got lives to live outside of this Mafia game. Me and Vorte got combined 4 exams the follow 4 days, and I'm sure we're far from the only ones being busy. Having 24 hour breaks every other day is necessary for many of us to be up to date on what happens, and 'be a part of the game'.
To your cabins, and sleep well.
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lol Emptyy maybe you should have thought of that before you ran for captain. I agree with Palmar on this one, as people were bound to talk on IRC it is fairer to all to do it here. Last evenings events were very interesting.
Delling continued his meek, appologetic posting strategy. Even as the bandwagon he started rolled over Intrinsic. However he was aggressive before the votes had started piling in
Yet another valuable addition, Intrinsic.
As the votes mounted up he started to retreat
I was about to say the same -- I believe Tronz's story.
I don't think his position is any weaker than any other inactive player.
(But having said that, Intrinsic is probably raiding right now... so... yeah.)
Next he tries to distance himself from the lynch
I had no idea I would create such a bandwagon!
If anything, though, it does save Kesh -- and I think Kesh is of more value to the Star Destroyer than Intrinsic.
Finally he pre-appologises to Intrisic for killing him, and blames me :)
I swear that I didn't frame you, Intrinsic.
I was pressured into adding more 'value' by Tyler, and picked you simply because you're inactive and have given very little (if anything) to the Star Destroyer.
I really am surprised by the bandwagoning!
Emptyy joined the Intrinsic bandwagon because he suspected the rebels of bandwagoning Tronz...
There is a good chance we have gone and voted ourselves a rebel as captain here. If you look at his posts there is very little orignal content, if imperial he has pretty poor judgement. Listing what people said is useful for both sides remember. I'm not really sure what the word count spreadsheet was supposed to show. Posting lots of meaninless talk is worse than not posting. It could have been a way to defelct attention from Dell?
Nach: Cheerleader number one for the bandwagon did himself no favours. I hope we don't make the same mistake as last game and lynch him at some point, should his post pattern/content not improve.
TTaM: Indirectly this looks bad for TTaM. Why would two last minute bandwagons form to save him if he was imperial? He was also suprisingly calm about his impending death before the vote train started.
Grax: Swtiched vote from Tronz to Intrinsic at a key time, just around the number of votes needed for a majority. I'm not sure about Grax, but this looks very sus.
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Don't I mention Tronz in my big post about Intrinsic?
In the second quote, that's me trying to tell people that Intrinsic would probably be defending himself if he wasn't raiding. For all I know, the bandwagon started because Tronz had the chance to post, and Intrinsic didn't -- which is a) pretty lame, and b) it exonerates me for the apparent bandwagoning.
Of course I try to distance myself from the lynch in the third and fourth quotes. Again, I'm still glad that I saved Kesh from being lynched, but at the same time I'm sad that I got Intrinsic killed.
Would it have been better if I didn't make that post, and we lynched Kesh instead?
I don't mind being held somewhat accountable -- I just want to make it clear that I wasn't behind the bandwagon (at least not intentionally).
The end result, short of lynching a rebel, was the best we could hope for on day one, right?
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Let's just hope ours blues can get some useful information over night.
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The end result, short of lynching a rebel, was the best we could hope for on day one, right?
Really? Not at all, short of lynching a rebel, best result would be lynching a droid or lynching someone who'd spoke more and we could connect to other people. Intrinsic's lynch gives is virtual no info, except for you. The end result of this may well be your undoing.
First I am gonna link back to my original post:
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101529#msg101529 (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101529#msg101529)
I can update and say that delling is now on 68 posts, I am on 33 including this one.
Then here's another additional I think I need to mention from tyler:
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101544#msg101544 (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101544#msg101544)
And last but not least, great summarize from tyler that I'll use rather than just repeating myself:
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101761#msg101761 (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101761#msg101761)
Verdict?
KILL KILL KILL!
This should have been our lynch!
Unless Delling gets killed during the night, I think I am almost certainly casting my vote to him as the day comes up.
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Nothing has to be said more than Tyler and Shiftey has.
Tyler:
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101529#msg101529
Shiftey:
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101767#msg101767
Delling, You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting.
Times up Imperials, if he doesn't go down in the night we need to make a stand.
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** Tyler link:
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101761#msg101761
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I'm not sure are we encouraged not to talk during the night by Palmar?
Just some thoughts that came to me this morning:
- Delling: I have to admit that last night he looked guilty as hell but now when I reread last few pages (did it in hurry last night) some questions appear:
Would any mafia be that stupid to start the bandwagon (delling)? Especially while being suspected by so many before cuz of his weird ass comments. If hes mafia I don't understand his actions at all, they aren't logical and smart, and I don't think anyone here thinks hes stupid. What am I missing?
- Only one who benefited from the bandwagons is the TTaM. He saved his skin. Now since mafia knows faction of all of us, what they gained from killing Instrict? He was the most useless villager. He didn't looked like blue either cuz he didn't care enough to defend himself and blue is very important role to defend. Tronz looks much more like blue than Instrict, he was quiet but defended himself very good.
So they question is why, why would rebels go for Instrict UNLESS it was the only way to save one of their own (TTaM). Too bad Instrict wasn't droid cuz I think it would show A LOT of rebels.
Anyway, maybe I'm just missing something, donno.
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We all need our clear thinking for the morning if we ought to figure out who amongst us are rebels.
You mean like the clear thinking you showed as our captain when you switched to the band wagon, giving no reason and making the deciding vote?
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Emptyy not giving us a solid reason for his vote switch then practically telling us to shut up about it seems very odd.. all those people who switched vote last night better start speaking up sometime soon.
I'd quite like to hear a bit more than "he didn't post a lot" - which to me is bullshit.
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So, how come some people are so very very upset and almost seem surprised that Intrinsic got lynched?
Mousehs post cover my feelings on the ordeal pretty good.
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It recently came to our attention that Vorte has never watched Star Wars and so as a loyal member of the imperial army, I shall be watching him closely!
I am also in agreement; a no go for Shiftey!
The usual cat excuse.. I bet he's plotting!
What galactic star system is Trondheim in?
Rebel territory?
Plotting with his Rebel brethren no doubt.
I shall follow suit on the aim of casting out such a mindless soul.
Let the rest of us live in the comfort that we no longer need to occupy the same space as this foul man.
??Vote: Vorte
Not watching the SW films should be a crime punishable by death.
I believe Kawe is playing a very strong game for the Imperials so far, i agree (mostly) with his reasoning.
??Support: Kawe
I also completely agree with Tyler's reasoning when it comes to lynching Arches. Whether he be a Rebel or useless Imperial it's a good choice because it's so early in the game.
??Unvote: Vorte
??Vote: Arches
:(
??Unvote: Arches
??Vote: TTaM
I'm completely new to this game and so have no idea how it's played. As you can see with my posts they're not entirely serious. I've been playing quietly for this first day to get a 'feel' for the game. That may be rebel play in your eyes but all I can say is i'll post more when I feel comfortable doing so.
I've also just finished uni, really busy writing CV's and applying for god knows what at god knows where.
Hope that helps!
(I may post a text wall after tonights raid so i'm not completely useless)
His first actual good post. (which I incidentally missed)
Fuck, i'm useless. :(
Perhaps tomorrow then!
*Holds sint*
I aim to please.
Inbetween pulls
You're lynching a green.
Delling totally framing me.
??Unvote: TTaM
??Vote: Delling
I understand everyone is upset over lynching a green, but seriously, can we move on? If you think it's somehow shocking that someone green gets lynched this early in the game due to bandwagon (which makes perfect sense this early, seeing that no one knows a whole lot) whose main defence was:
Inbetween pulls
You're lynching a green.
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- Only one who benefited from the bandwagons is the TTaM. He saved his skin.
TTaM got saved by tronz bandwagon that you started Mouseh. Shall we discuss that?
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- Only one who benefited from the bandwagons is the TTaM. He saved his skin.
TTaM got saved by tronz bandwagon that you started Mouseh. Shall we discuss that?
Actually, he didn't? Mousehs post is well structured and makes good points, stop stirring unnecessary shit. I understand you like the thought of being right and loud, but it's better for everyone if you just focus on winning.
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Kesh was saved by 'my' Intrinsic bandwagon. Kesh was up at 8 votes, Kawe at 6, and then me + someone (I forget who) put Intrinsic on 2 votes.
Then there was a gap of a couple of hours... and then the bandwagon-proper started forming. I'd be interested in seeing who kicked off the ACTUAL bandwagon. Was it Grax?
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Can you at least check the facts before you spread lies (again) Shiftey.
I didn't start votes for tronz, someone else did. He had few votes at the time I voted. He never came even close to TTaM in votes. Only with Instrict he got saved. And I made it clear in my post that my vote is probably temporally and going to be switched (I said I'm voting for tronz FOR NOW).
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There were 2 votes on tronz only few minutes before you did, One from Shansk, one from Grax, but they gave no reason, they dont talk. But you did, you did and there is a group of people following you right from the start. That's what I call a starter.
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I also think that the fact that Tronz deflected his bandwagon also contributed to the Intrinsic kill, I for one swapped from Tronz -> Intrinsic after Tronz deflected my suspicions.
Shiftey should stop being retardomode aggressive towards people, I'm pretty sure you yourself consider it being very helpful - but you're really not. Assuming you're imperial it'd be better if you saw things a bit more objectively.
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Pussy footing about isn't good for anyone. If you don't prod people, you learn nothing.
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Totally, but Mouseh is pretty fucking useful, might wanna prod something that's actually a good target.
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Infact, I think that's basically the whole job of the greens, to prod people as much as possible until something breaks.
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Totally, but Mouseh is pretty fucking useful, might wanna prod something that's actually a good target.
Is this a rebel certainty call and a deflection attempt?
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No, it's calm and logical deduction from the quality of Mouseh's posts up to this point. Just looking at things calm and objectively and Mouseh ends up as one of the most levelheaded and I think she's highly highly useful, moreso than myself at this point and I think it'd be silly to go for her throat when there are other people who look way more suspicious.
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It's useful to go for everyone. If they start making mistakes, lying, posting inconsistencies, that's how you learn who is mafia.
Some reason you don't want us interrogating her?
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It's dumb.
Focus it somewhere else, somewhere logical.
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You know, I would be suspicious of you Nach, but that'd mean you would have to be THE worst mafia ever.
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Indeed, I don't think much of my actions thus far has made sense from the rebel PoV, albeit I bet some things sure look suspicious.
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Im not gonna post here again until after dawn.
You are only helping the rebels to choose who they want to kill tonight.
As Imperials we dont want to provide the rebels with extra info. Let them decide who to kill based on what they have now and dont help them any further until dawn. Then we will have our 48 hours to decide who to lynch next....
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Night is 24 hours, according to Palmar.
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Yes it is. Which means that dawn is at 24:00 tonight.
Then we have a 48 hour day to decide the next lynch.
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Ah, sorry, yes, misread what you said.
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Im not gonna post here again until after dawn. Yes it is. Which means that dawn is at 24:00 tonight.
Then we have a 48 hour day to decide the next lynch.
Are you gonna start doing this again? :P
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To be honest i'm a little suspect of nach's posts.
The first post he made after the lynch was to defer attention from it. No one was surprised that we lynched a green Nach, what I was surprised of at least was the speed at which the votes were changing, specificially toward sum1 who hadnt actually done much to warrent it and at how quiet kesh was about the whole thing (even when he wasnt raiding).
As i said in an earlier post, albeit much more briefly, the fact that we voted emptyy in based solely on that post he made, thinking he'd be clear and level headed, he then just hopped on the bandwagon with no warning, no explanation, no nothing. It was also his 2 votes that tipped the balance to intrinsic, again, no comment from him was made about this.
Another point that people have been touching on is the fact that Kesh was saved by all of this.
At this point i'm feeling pretty paranoid about the situation, but i'm not sure that i shouldnt be.
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TBH, Intrinsic died for a good reason. He gave no input, put up no defence when was accused. I voted for Tronz first for the exact same reason however he posted his suspicions and put up a fight. Where as Intrinsic did hardly anything.
At this stage in the game it was almost guaranteed we would lynch a green, I'm just glad that a useless green was killed rather than someone who had put in some input and at least tried.
Obviously we can start analysing who voted for Intrinsic and maybe deduce a pattern by last minute switchers or anyone canvassing to get Intrinsic lynched. I am fully aware I may be on that list but in my opinion I made the right decision at the time.
Hopefully we will get some info after this night has passed too.
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lol Emptyy maybe you should have thought of that before you ran for captain. I agree with Palmar on this one, as people were bound to talk on IRC it is fairer to all to do it here. Last evenings events were very interesting.
I thought of that, and perhaps running for captain wasn't the most brilliant of ideas. But at that time, I thought we had 48h on, 24h off, which would've made it doable.
I also think that having lower activity at night, giving us time to let the past 48 hours and 650 posts sink in will help us. This game might last for 3 weeks, and if we're going full speed all the time, I personally think it's going to be messy. Most of all, I think many players won't be able to stay up to date on what happens, which would be sad.
Emptyy joined the Intrinsic bandwagon because he suspected the rebels of bandwagoning Tronz...
My vote was on at that time on TTaM, due to trying to keep Kawe alive (as I said when I voted for TTaM (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101489#msg101489)).
Tronz was at the time the one with most votes and the obvious choice. However, he made some sensible posts (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101629#msg101629), with valueable input and some new thoughts (which I don't think he got enough credit for). I mentioned this when voting for him (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101597#msg101597). I do however, see the irony in saying "Bandwagon is bad" followed by jumping on another bandwagon. It was a 10PM-action, and I didn't think there was enough time to build up a case on someone 'new'.
I find drawing conclusions from posts only (on day 1) hard, and think that raw data such as vote-timeline and activity-statistics useful.
After the first night, data from killing etc. will help us.
/not returning before Friday at 14.00.
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If you're concerned about activity staying at these levels - it should be ok after the first week. People will start dying and the activity will go down.
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Updated the voting overview. Enjoy looking at the bandwagons :)
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Updated the voting overview. Enjoy looking at the bandwagons :)
I'll just leave this irc log here :P.
17:57 Globox ? starbrow
17:57 Globox ? I don't recall voting for delling :b
17:58 Globox ? or am I reading it wrong
17:59 Globox ? afaik I only voted for kawe and archz
17:59 Starbrow ? oh cock did I mess up the lines again
17:59 Globox ? I guess you did
17:59 ? guanoape_ [~guanoape@ip565086b9.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #iron-edge
17:59 Starbrow ? bloody hell
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... Aaaafter I correct that it was Kawe who switched to delling, not Ino. Really should get some sort of script for this.
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love that intense voting towards the end there :)
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The first point I want to make it that not posting is bad mkay. Not only is it the easiest way for scum to hide, it is the easiest excuse the mob have got to bandwagon someone.
However this does not mean you need to spam the thread. The only thing worse than not posting is posting lots, but saying nothing. If you say nothing useful then the empire cannot check for consistency and you make the thread less managable. In fact you are likley to hide useful information.
This is why Delling has been the worst poster so far 70+ posts, no real content. The only post of any value was "Lynch Intrinsic", and that was far too long to essentially say "He hasn't posted anything useful". This is why he is number one suspect.
Now Emptty, there is something amazingly sinister about this quote
As your Captain, I do not appreciate sneaking and speaking during the night. We all need our clear thinking for the morning if we ought to figure out who amongst us are rebels.
On a serious note: ...
I know that it finished with "On a serious note", but it didn't really take the edge off it for me. As the first post after lynching an innocent I would have thought that a little contrition would have been in order.
An other thing is that presenting your vote for Intrisic as a chioce between him and TTaM is what they call a false dichotomy. You could have voted for Delling, who as I have pointed out, is doing worse than not posting. Now you may disagree with me on that, but you do need to justify yourself. Finally my point about the bandwagon was: you spotted a bandwagon forming for Tronz but didn't see the bigger one for Intrinsic? That is beyond ironic imo.
Mouseh, I am going to point out again for those not on IRC that my biggest mistake last game was thinking there is no way that all 5 mafia had voted for Vorte. This condemmed Grax in my eyes and lost us the game. We should not rule Delling out because we think "There is no way they would make such a dumb play". That would be very silly.
More sage advice I read somewhere was "Never attribute to stupidity what you can to malice".
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In my defence (and I'll say more once the new day actually begins!), a lot of my posts were on the first day, which was a bank holiday. You'll see that I posted a lot less on the next day.
I'm not trying to defend the fact that I have possibly obscured the action of Rebels -- I admit, that's poor form on my behalf -- I'm just trying to explain that it wasn't my _intention_.
After watching the last game, the main take-away seemed to be "post more!", and I was just trying to do that. I'm a quick learner though, and now I've slowed down, and I like to think that most of my posts since the second day are of higher quality.
FWIW, I'd also like to know about this 'inconsistency' thing is. Shiftey (I think?) says I'm being inconsistent. I'm not sure what that means. I'm well aware that I haven't added much actual content to the discussion -- but if I haven't said much, how can I be inconsistent? It's not like I've been saying 'omg lynch X!' 'actually I take it back, lynch Y!' I made a case for lynching Intrinsic (instead of Kesh or Kawe), and stuck with it. I still maintain that lynching Intrinsic was better than lynching Kesh or Kawe.
And now I'm going to 'go to sleep' and hope that I, and the rest of this fair ship, make it through the night!
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Remember to send in your night actions, or confirm that you're not using them.
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So some interesting things and conclusions are being drawn today I see. I just came back and I'm off to bed soon but there is 1 thing I want to say quickly before doing more analysis tmw.
People are tripping over Emptyy's post after the lynching. While not worded very well, isn't the gist of it something any proper captain should say? Also do you really believe any player with an night action will listen it? Just a bit of RP that missed the mark imo. (His vote change to Intrinsic is something I haven't analyzed yet, but voting analysis isn't something I can do properly in ~15min)
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FWIW -- I will be away from my computers between 5pm Friday and late'ish Sunday. I will be able to check in (smartphone, iPad), but I won't be in any position to hammer F5 for all the latest updates.
My girlfriend got posted on another Star Destroyer, you see, and I had to ask for a special leave of absence from our Glorious Captain -- but he consented! So I'm off to, er, fire my blaster.
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##Day
As the day shift returns to their positions after a stressful night, some of the crew are absent. After investigation it is clear that several members of the crew have been murdered during the night.
(http://www.crackajack.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/3550384815_6331f89f9c.jpg)
Ino the Private has been murdered
TTaM the Vice Admiral has been murdered
Nachmanun the Imperial Agent has been murdered
It is now day 2, it will end 23:59 on Saturday
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##Vote: Delling
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1 word..... FUCK
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Sorry Nach.
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Epic fail. All you guys wanting to lynch ttam.
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After this gruesume night my resolve is steadfast
##Vote: Dellin
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Sigh
##Vote: Delling
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God fucking dammit daekesh...
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So we lost a private, our cop, tracker and used the Imperial nighttime kill in one night xD
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I have been poisoned.
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Noooooooooo!
*catches Hugman's limp form*
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In other news, who's the vigilante who fucked up massively?
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vigilante is a day time kill abillity?
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Sorry Nach.
Afraid that's me, Dell
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Why did you shoot Nach?
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I am just gonna note: Emptyy knew that TTaM was a Vice Admiral. I actually knew as well, I will admit that. Me and Emptyy knew.
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failnight. And yes, Shiftey, TTaM confined in me that he was a cop, which also was a major reason to why I changed my vote away from him on the first evening. He also told me he told you.
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ttam was almost lynched in the first night. Emptyy insured that he wasnt and that intrinsic was instead.
Rebels killing the secondmost suspected imperial is very strange, since he would be a toptarget for a lynch next day, unless they have extra information.
So either shiftey, emptyy or who else he might have told must be rebels.
Might have been a fairly clever move by emptyy, since it seems odd that he didnt just lynch ttam knowing he was a blue.
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I'm speechless..
##Vote: Delling
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Woha, this is worse than a hangover after whiskey-wasted.
So what did our blues learn tonight? And can someone use the blasters they're given already? Not like Kawe did.. what in the fuck, did you consult anyone before doing that? :P
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Well this changes little in my eyes
##Vote: Delling
Emptyy you should really lynch Dell ASAP. The faster we get a confirmed scum kill the better. We are quite behind now. It's time for action.
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Forgot to vote!
##Vote: Delling
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That's a shit hand we've been dealt :|
without further ado,
##Vote: Delling
Genuinely upset we're gonna lose hugman so early, was looking forward to his imput into the game (and i know how much he loves it) mean rebel bastards.
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Sheesh, before I've even had a proper chance to defend myself!
I would urge you all to read this post, that I made just before sun-up:
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101864#msg101864
Also, irrespective of the Dellwagon, I would also suggest that we analyse the Shiftey/Emptyy/Daekesh love triangle, as there's obviously something going on.
If you believe I'm a rebel, then you believe that I orchestrated a switch away from Daekesh -- who turned out to be one of our most important resources.
I don't want to give it all away until I absolutely have to, but just think about it.
Shiftey started the original vote train on Daekesh.
Shiftey has admitted that he knew about Daekesh's role as an Imperial.
I swing the votes away from Kesh, and then he turns up dead.
Think about it!
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Except you were busy saying you didn't meant to votetrain Intrinsic, honest guv!
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Oh...
##Vote: Shiftey
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Well, I said the intention wasn't to get Intrinsic killed. Don't garble my words, Kawe (yes, haha, I do that very well on my own).
The intention was to save Kesh, and to show that I could provide some actual input.
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So if only Shiftey and Empthy knew about Kesh being a blue,and if emphty is a good towny as he claims to be then i dont see why he doesn't kill Shiftey!
But if Shiftey wasnt a red then by killing him he would reveal himself !
I'm voting for Emphty till he explains himself ! Correct me if there are flaws in my logic !
##Vote:Emphtyy
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##Vote:Emptyy
still dont know how to vote!
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##Vote: Emptyy
Yeah here we go again!
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Yes we have been royally fucked by this however its not a game loser yet. Personally I think we need some clever use of the jailor to help turn this game around.
Obviously the jailor coming forward is a bad idea. But I was thinking we could have some unofficial vote or something about who we think should be jailed, and the jailor can safely lock them up without their identity being revealed. If the jailor doesn't agree with the vote by all means he/she could lock up whoever he/she wants.
Appart from that the other only really useful Blue we have left is the Imperial Assassin. This target will need to be chosen carefully since we don't have any solid info coming in cause they are all dead.
Hug if you have any idea who could be Rebel use your blame ability before its too late.
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I have just under 48 hours.
And dying does focus the senses so.
I will find you.
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Obviously the jailor coming forward is a bad idea. But I was thinking we could have some unofficial vote or something about who we think should be jailed, and the jailor can safely lock them up without their identity being revealed. If the jailor doesn't agree with the vote by all means he/she could lock up whoever he/she wants.
Could be done for all the blue roles assuming we have any left .....(Fkkn Kawe)
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Was suggested that I post this from IRC, although if you're Vorte or Arches even if you read it first hand as it happened, it takes a while to work out.
[22:59] <kawe> nach, if I was wrong, sorry o/
[22:59] <delling> my favorite app is iNoob
[22:59] <Shiftey> !
[22:59] <kawe> otherwise, die rebel scum
and then I felt very silly.
Anyway, unless you think I'm clairvoyant, at least my blunder provides a safely confirmed blue as a consolation prize. That said I wouldn't be too shocked to see me get offed during the next night either.
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Still not sure to think about the whole Shiftey/Emptyy ordeal.
Scenario one: Shiftey is the rebel and taking a wild risk that Emptyy won't blow him away and out if the ship.
Scenario two: Emptyy is the rebel, and he knows that it won't go well for him if he kill Shiftey
Scenario three: The rebel mastermind saw that the bandwagon on TTaM was lifted rather quickly (perhaps without a lot of resoable posting?) and assumed that Kesh told someone his role. Then taking his chances, because if he is right, he will kill a blue and pin two imperials up against eachother.
Scenario four: Kesh told a third person? Doubt it
Scenario five: The rebels just don't like Kesh
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##Vote: Delling
All I've got to say, he has been weighed, he ahs been measured, and he's been found wanting...
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##Vote:Delling
Vote fail......
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Whats this, a good post from Archz and content from Delling on the same page? Madness!
I don't think there is much chance TTaM was a random kill. He was too sus to be a good target, unless they knew he was the cop. I'm going with scenario 2. It is not very hard to imagine the scum coming up with "create a bandwagon to save Kesh, kill him at night, then be able to claim credit and cast doubt on Shiftey" as a play.
I don't want to give it all away until I absolutely have to, but just think about it.
Shiftey started the original vote train on Daekesh.
Shiftey has admitted that he knew about Daekesh's role as an Imperial.
I swing the votes away from Kesh, and then he turns up dead.
Think about it!
Look content! The problem with it is Shiftey was #4 to vote Kesh, so he didn't start the train. He then switched to Kawe when TTaM had 9 votes, well before any move away from TTaM.
Delling is missing analysis on Emptyy though. If Delling was imperial he would surely have at considered Emptyy being a rebel. Even if Delling was rebel and Emptyy imperial Delling would probably have tried to cast some doubt on Emptyy. There is nothing scum like more than confusion.
This lack of analysis is very telling. Yay for content.
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Quite a nasty turn of events and I can?t help but think that posts made just before and after the lynch/night actions are actually a sign of more aggressive rebel ?steering?. There are a couple of players that are losing sight of the bigger picture.
Mainly we have NO IDEA how many of each blue roles there are, so tonight might not be a dramatic as it would seem atm.
We still greatly outnumber the rebels and we?re getting more and more info to base things on.
Delling: Spamming posts of little importance although based on this Nach would?ve a rebel too, which was exactly the same logic Kawe applied. By that same logic Delling could be blue? And it backfired. His starting the Intrinsic bandwagon could be unintentional because at that time is seemed clear Tronz or TTaM would end up dying.
Intrinsic getting lynched.
If Delling?s plan was intentional then a considerable amount of the other votes cast on Intrinsic should be considered highly suspicious, because there is no way such a fast swing can occur without a number of other rebels helpin galong. Looking at the vote chart Tronz voted for Intrinsic, probably randomly, very early on. However when it looked like Tronz might be in danger due to the unexpect and pure(?) random start from Grax* Delling makes a post claiming to protect himself, but it actually saved Tronz and not himself.
I?ve only looked at Delling for now, but we still have almost 2 days and I need to do RL first. I?ll come back to my other suspicions later today/tmw.
Based on this post I think Delling is likely to be a rebel, but his actions seem desperate for a different reason than I initially thought.
##Vote: Tronz
Delling's actions seems to point toward saving Tronz making a bigger fish in my book.
*While writting this Grax went from rebel suspicious in my book to almost certainly an imperial.
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Tyler, just because someone doesn't analysis everyone doesn't make the not-analysised person automatically suspicious.
I still say Emptyy's play is just akward and just because Shiftey mention's TTaM telling him and Emptyy about the cop role first doesn't make Shiftey any less suspicious than Emptyy. It just means he posted earlier. If Emptyy was truely a rebel wouldn't he have stayed on TTaM and killed Shiftey at night? because he knew Shiftey knew about TTaM. Actually the only suspicious feeling I have atm on Emptyy is why Intrinsic and not Tronz?
Look content! The problem with it is Shiftey was #4 to vote Kesh, so he didn't start the train. He then switched to Kawe when TTaM had 9 votes, well before any move away from TTaM.
That is the sheer brilliance of Shiftey's play. He is one of the players I'll make a more in depth post about later, but here is a little taste of what I'm expecting. It was his post (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101255#msg101255) that actually convinced me to vote for TTaM. I'm guessing that around the time TTaM confided in Shiftey is also the time he moved away. What rebel wouldn't dream of having a cop as a friend? Anyway more analysis to follow later.
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All I?m saying Yoica is that Delling has not once questioned Emptyy. After last night?s events it?s pretty sus not to.
I agree it is worth checking Shiftey out. Personally I am not ruling much out at this point.
I also totally agree that the Intrinsic wagon might have started to save Tronz. The voting patterns are interesting on this one. I will defer to you, Star or someone else to do the analysis on that though :)
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(FWIW, I have questioned Emptyy, but on IRC. Last night's post was short because I had to sleep. Now I gotta try and do some work, but will try to post around lunch.)
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This is all hurting my brain.
I dont have time today, or the will, to sort out my thoughts on this.
I'm right in thinking that the next lynch is tomorrow night, so i'll make a proper post on my thoughts tomorrow at some point.
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Yes Sint, the lynching isn't until tmw midnight.
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So I see some people are concerned with me and Emptyy knowing about TTaM's role. I am not gonna deny them the argument, as it's very valid. But I am gonna discuss 4 scenarios that are a possible result.
(Scenario 1): Shiftey is Imperial, Emptyy is a rebel: In this scenario, Emptyy would e hesitant to use his lynch on me, because he'd know I would be revealed as imperial which could lead to Emptyy being lynched. (This scenario ends with both of us dying)
(Scenario 2): Shiftey is a rebel, Emptyy is Imperial: In this scenario, Emptyy might not hesitate to kill me as he would be imperial and believe I am a rebel, however on the kill I would be revealed as imperial which would cast serious doubt on Emptyy and could lead to his lynch (This scenario ends with both of us dying)
(Scenario 3): Shiftey and Emptyy are Imperial: Refer back to scenario 2 really, Emptyy kills me, I am imperial, people suspect him and may be kill him. (This scenario ends with both of us dying)
(Scenario 4): Shiftey and Emptyy are both rebels: In this case we are both the worst rebels in the galaxy and should be killed immediately (This scenario ends with both of us dying)
So as you can see, in any case, we both die. Now worst case is you lose 2 dedicated players who have given their time, effort and spreadsheet making skills to the game. Best case is you kill one imperial and one rebel and again lose a dedicated player.
I dont see any win-win scenarios out of this one.
Choice is yours.
Mine is Delling...
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Jesus christ... Okay, so what I think I can deduce from this is the following:
I'm thinking that it is rather likely that either Emptyy or Shiftey is a rebel, as they're the ones that had the information about his role at the time. However, I find it unlikely that they are both rebels, as they would then not have voulenteered that they knew about it. This means that as Emptyy is the Captain, he should shoot Shiftey, if Shiftey turns up green, Emptyy is a rebel and we lynch him.
Does this make sense? The alternative is that neither is a rebel and the real rebels got insanely lucky on night one, which I find much more unlikely.
Dellings complete lack of focus on Emptyy does also seem a bit... Weird. And the analysis of Shiftey is just flat out wrong. Shiftey was the fourth to vote for TTaM, so he by no means started the train rolling there. That seems like quite a blunder by Delling, so I'm gonna start off my vote there.
##Vote: Delling
PS. Shifteys post came up when I pressed post, so quick reply to that one:
The second scenario I think you got wrong. Why would you be revealed as imperial if you were a rebel when he shoots you? In fact, if you're a rebel and Emptyy is imperial, when he shoots you we would probably agree that he isn't a rebel and in fact NOT lynch him?
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@ Shiftey's post
Scenario 2 and 4 are rendered totally useless being that you are one of the parties involved. Assuming that ur a rebel, which you could be :P
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I do realise that, but the moment me and Emptyy die you'll realise they are very accurate :P Scenario 2 is my way of saying that I am claiming to be imperial.
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3rd time is the charm....
##Vote: Delling
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So with the amount of players left we now have around 25% chance of lynching a rebel.
It seems there is a general consensus that either shiftey or emptyy is a rebel.
Why not vote for a 50/50 chance instead of a 25% chance?
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I dont quite see what delling did that was so suspicious tbh. Intrinsic was a logical choice imho. As mentioned earlier I did not see any of the main suspects as rebels and atleast it is confirmed that ttam was innocent.
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Probably because most of us think that Delling has more that a 50% chance of being a rebel...
Lets not go down the specious probability reasoning route again.
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your theories have always been good in the past...
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Grax trying, it still isnt a 50/50 if we vote for shiftey or Emptyy.
The things that matters now is - Will emptyy follow us, Imperials, or will he lynch another.
I dont quite see what delling did that was so suspicious tbh. Intrinsic was a logical choice imho. As mentioned earlier I did not see any of the main suspects as rebels and atleast it is confirmed that ttam was innocent.
It is like your trying to save Dellings skin, do you know something we don't know Grax?
If you have info that the majority do not know, it is possible to share it so that we can get better conclussions, for now your only getting your self looking more suspicious all of a sudden trying to get votetrain away from Delling
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Eetion, you continually write these very grand-sounding posts, but really you're just parroting Tyler, or Shiftey, or whoever else has recently written something intelligent.
Leave the analysts to do their stuff, and just nod or shake your head.
I have 7 votes currently, out of 22 (23?) players still in the game. You are not in a 'majority'. You are a plurality that's riding Tyler's move to get Emptyy to shoot me, and then to lynch Emptyy.
Try to think your own thoughts and come up with some original content (rich coming from me, I know).
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There is no need to invent the deeppan twice if you already think someone is on to something.
Sorry Delling but your again, in my eyes, just trying to get attention of your back.
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Well, no shit Eetion, I don't want to die.
Or should I welcome the attention on my back? Is that some pro imperial play that I don't know about?
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If all else fails go down the personal attacks route eh Grax?
Just to recap Delling has made by far the most posts but said very little. One post he said "Lynch Intrisinic, he hasn?t posted anything useful", but taking 20 lines to do it. The other post he said "One of Emptyy or Shiftey is a Rebel. Lynch Shiftey!", omitting any possibility of Emptty being a Rebel. He has said nothing more.
Maybe though, you should ignore what I think and explain which of Shiftey or Emptyy you think we should lynch? Or do you think we should coin toss?
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you do seem quite useless eetion. Instead of actually argueing why I am wrong, you accuse me of being in league with delling.
Last game we learned that baseless accusations are useless and that we need a proper basis for lynching people - so we dont lynch 3 innocents in a row.
Right now the most suspicious thing delling did was to start the intrinsic vote. Which by common logic was a pretty logical thing to do, which was why people followed his vote. It was a sound argument...
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I picked Shiftey because of this post: http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101255#msg101255 -- which people have said caused them to vote for Kesh on day 1.
I also said Shiftey because of the conversations I had with Kesh on day 1. (More info to follow, when I get to write my big post.)
I agree, Emptyy's actions are suss (as I said on IRC yesterday). But my data doesn't correlate with him getting Kesh killed. He MIGHT have got Kesh killed -- I just can't support that with what I know.
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For Graxlos, here's the sound arguments we made:
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101767#msg101767 (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101767#msg101767)
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I really can't make sense of the Shiftey/Emptyy situtation. Shiftey and Emptyy both knew that the other one knew, so if one of them were rebel, they must've seen the suspicion coming back to them. AND why kill Ino? If I were rebel-Emptyy/Shiftey I would've killed the other one together with Daekesh.
I think the rebel got lucky and we're close to going down a very wrong path. So I say that we should lynch someone else, and not force Emptyy to use his kill just yet.
Crap now I'm late for work, gotta run
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Did shiftey or Emptyy tell anyone else about ttam???
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Just a quick note on lynching Emptyy,
I think we should wait for emptyy to at least use his insta-lynch before we decide anything about him, if he lynches who we want him to, or he manages to lynch a rebel etc. then it makes him more trustworthy.
Unlike the other suspects we have, emptyy can actually prove his innocence (or guilt)
If we lynch him before he uses/refuses to use his lynch then its a waste.
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I knew that Kesh knew about Shiftey (and vice-versa) -- but I didn't get as far as finding out that Emptyy was also part of the triangle/square.
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No grax
(obviously he cld have told the rebels if he is one)
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How exactly can Emptyy prove his innocence or guilt? Being wrong would make him guilty?
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Also, irrespective of the Dellwagon, I would also suggest that we analyse the Shiftey/Emptyy/Daekesh love triangle, as there's obviously something going on.
I knew that Kesh knew about Shiftey (and vice-versa) -- but I didn't get as far as finding out that Emptyy was also part of the triangle/square.
Is this a contradiction? If not what were you trying to say dell?
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The first comment was encouraging people to look at that triangle, rather than my Dellwagon on Intrinsic.
The second comment was me admitting that Kesh and I had talked before the Shiftey<>Kesh link was made.
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I dont quite see what delling did that was so suspicious tbh. Intrinsic was a logical choice imho. As mentioned earlier I did not see any of the main suspects as rebels and atleast it is confirmed that ttam was innocent.
This ^
And i am quite confused about :
I am just gonna note: Emptyy knew that TTaM was a Vice Admiral. I actually knew as well, I will admit that. Me and Emptyy knew.
Wut what? So Shiftey knew? and Emptyy? So both can be guilty as hell or 1 out of 2 or both innocent? Wut?
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When did you have that second conversation Dell?
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Well, i'm assuming he's not going to just randomly lynch someone, that he'll discuss it with everyone before doing it.
If we ask him to lynch someone and they're rebel then he basically proves his innocence. This assumes he's not willing to shoot himself in the foot in the hopes that we'll think he's green. Which seems likely as losing a single rebel is a pretty big deal to them.
Obviously if we ask him to lynch some1 and he refuses then there's strong cause to believe that both him, and the potential target, are rebels.
Both of these cases require a strong argument to be put forth toward the target and for an actual petition to emptyy to use his vote.
If we ask him to lynch sum1 and they turn out green (which i'm hoping we can avoid) then i have no idea how to take it tbh, he cld be rebel and just have played along without fear or he cld just be green and have played along as we'd expect him to.
If emptyy does go ahead and use his lynch randomly, without consulting anyone, so everyone is clear of whats happening and why, then i'd take that a strong point toward him being a rebel.
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If it wasnt clear, my last post was in response to kawe asking how emptyy could prove his innocence
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Both of these cases require a strong argument to be put forth toward the target and for an actual petition to emptyy to use his vote.
Cant edit posts.
This should read:
Both of these cases require a strong argument to be put forth toward the target and for an actual petition to emptyy to use his lynch.
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Ok delling now in to the mix of people who knew about ttam it seems like ttam was just waaay too open about revealing his role. I guess half the game could know at this rate.
So disregard my shiftey vs. emptyy statement.
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lol ok. Well we always new all the rebels also knew TTaM was a blue. Thats why they killed him.
I'm interested as to when TTaM is supposed to have told Delling. Dells first quote was from 12:00 uk time...
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Most of my talking with Kesh was early on the first day.
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Alright, I'm back from my exam (which is why I haven't posted earlier), and have gone through, and put a lot of thought into the actions of tonight. I will address them in four different posts during this day. I will do my best to seem neutral.
(1/4) Emptyy-Shiftey-TTaM triangle
(2/4) Kawe/Nachmanun
(3/4) Ino-kill and Hugman poisoning
(4/4) Delling
TTaM told me about Shiftey and being a cop @ about 17 yesterday.
TTaM told Shiftey about me and being a cop.
TTaM was going to investigate Delling.
case 1: I'm a rebel, and Shiftey is not. I'm speaking the truth when I say TTaM told me that he told Shiftey
Why on earth wouldn't I make sure to kill Shiftey as well? Some say: Because then you can use it as an argument, but then you're not thinking it through. Had I killed them both, there wouldn't be anyone to mention my name. I'd be out of the picture.
case 2: I'm a rebel, and Shiftey is not. I do not speak the truth when I say TTaM told me that he told Shiftey
This would explain why Shiftey isn't dead already. It would also mean that TTaM told Shiftey, without telling anyone that he told Shiftey, which is harder to swallow.
case 3: Shiftey is a rebel, I am not
Shiftey knows killing TTaM would probably get him lynched, due to what I then would say. Decides to play with high stakes, and kills TTaM, followed by trying to blame it on someone else.
case 4: Shiftey and me are both rebels
And we're retarded as well.
case 5: Neither me or Shiftey are rebels
Which means TTaM told another one or two (mafia) players, which he unfortunately didn't tell me or Shiftey about. If TTaM also told them about investigating Delling, this could be a last attempt to get attention away from Delling, onto someone else. (Could also mean mafia got extremely lucky - which I doubt).
@Sintrael: My blaster is loaded, and my ears listening
@Delling: Seriously? Seems odd he would both put trust in you, and at the same time investigate you. 5 bucks says you're lying about it.
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If we ask him to lynch someone and they're rebel then he basically proves his innocence. This assumes he's not willing to shoot himself in the foot in the hopes that we'll think he's green. Which seems likely as losing a single rebel is a pretty big deal to them.
This is very wrong; lynching a rebel as a means of gaining trust and more importantly of gaining trust when in possession of a double vote for the rest of the game is easily worth it. Often throwing one rebel to the wolves is a strong, easy tactic in itself before taking into consideration the captain role.
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Most of my talking with Kesh was early on the first day.
This is a little like pulling teeth. So Kesh told you day one that he was a cop?
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I am gonna pour some gasoline to the fire by saying the following:
Throughout the entire game I was being called be, retarded, crazy, insane, terrible and many other colourful adjectives. And now, the above scenarios and everything that is being discussed would require me to pull of the biggest cover up and double play ever imagined.
But please keep going and add some votes for delling because his inconsistencies continue, we cannot let him live anymore.
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Hmm, fair point kiwi, at this point in the game it might be worth it yeh considering we're behind, i think what i said still stands strong tho.
hmmmmmmmmm
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OK, it's time to lay it all on the line.
Daekesh and I talked for the first time very early on the first day -- as far as I know before he had talked to Shiftey. This is long before Kesh talked to Emptyy, but I don't know the exact timeline of when Emptyy was brought into the loop.
Kesh and I were discussing Shiftey's first post -- http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101255#msg101255 -- which was followed by Kawe calling Kesh 'inconsistent' in a rather damning post of his own: http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101260#msg101260
Kesh was concerned about getting lynched. I asked him why. He said he'd messed up, but there was no easy way for him to clear his name -- he'd basically 'done an Archz' (well, he'd just been his own, combative self, really) and there wasn't really any easy way back from the precipice. I told him I could save him, if the worst came to the worst.
This piqued his interest, of course! It took some more conversing, but eventually we revealed our roles to each other: he was a cop, and I was a martyr.
I told him that if shit really hit the fan that I would martyr myself, as a cop is obviously worth more to the imperials than a greenie. On my own accord, I then made the post about Intrinsic. The intention was never to get him killed, but at the same time I valued my own and Kesh's skin more than his.
That was about the limit of my conversation with Kesh, until a bit later when he told me that he'd also confided in Shiftey. I don't know why he told Shiftey, but I can only assume that they kissed and made up. I guess Kesh told me as some kind of safety net.
That's about the end of my story. I admit that I've played a messy game, but the above actions are the fundamental basis of what I MEANT to do. I definitely know to post less in future games.
Now, the analysis of other players:
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Shiftey (and Tyler) have a huge issue with my noobness, and how much I _state_ my noobiness. According to some guide, stating noobiness is a big signal of Rebelness.
There are TONS of noobs in this new round, and there are tons of noobs posting useless crap on the forum.
Chippen, Eetion, Vdti -- http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg100936#msg100936, http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg100939#msg100939, http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg100960#msg100960 -- the list goes on. There are lots of people with bads in the game, and I would ask you all to not use my badness as a basis for my rebelness.
And if you do, take a look at Eetion's latest posts -- http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=1606;sa=showPosts -- and admire how useless, repetitive, and generally nooby he sounds. (Check him out on IRC, too; he's facepalmerific.)
I now want to talk about the bandwagon that I created, and the trouble it got me in. Eetion's main argument seems to be that I started the bandwagon on Intrinsic, leading votes away from Kesh (proven innocent), Kawe (proven innocent), and Tronz. Tronz was being bandwagoned because he was useless. I shifted the bandwagon to Intrinsic.
I'd also like to point out that Tronz actually saved himself with some fairly sensible posts towards the end, while Intrinsic ended with: http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101646#msg101646
I think that's all I have for now.
I guess I could say a brief word on Emptyy/Shiftey:
If we posit that Shiftey is a Rebel (it's possible that he isn't -- Kesh might have died via another route, but I can only speak from what I know), then Emptyy is either a nooby Imperial, or a Rebel playing a very interesting game. I haven't analyzed all of Shiftey/Emptyy posts, so I don't know if they are playing some epic game to fool us into believing something... but I suspect, in this case, that Emptyy is just being a noob.
Live long and prosper! Or... wait... wrong universe...
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Oh, I missed out a bit -- the Intrinsic post was an attempt to save Daekesh without having to use up my special ability. It goes in the middle somewhere -- insert it with your brain!
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Personal Log: Private 1st. Class Argus Barbosa; Callsign "Grishnag"
Date: ABY4.06.03
Entry: #4
Having gone to bed early hoping the crazyness would have gone away, I could not be more wrong i woke up hearing people shout in the hallway "The vice-admiral has died, the rebel scum struck again", I decided to get out of bed to see who the vice-admiral realy was and i couldnt be more suprised when i saw TTaM's face and a blaster hole through his chest.
All my previous suspicion instantly lifted, Ofcourse they would since the man died as an imperial i saw people gather around the corpse all of them had varying degree of shock on their faces, Then someone came running in out of breath "More corpses right down the hallway" it turned out to be an Imperial Agent his name was Nachmanun, I dont realy remember him bieng around the ship much but i guess thats what they do.
All this left me realy confused while i was walking down to the hangerbay, I was certain that TTaM was a rebel scum the way he acted it was all so suspicious, I could not graps how he thought this was a good way to go about finding out who the rebels were, Maybe it was some grand scheme to reveal who the rebels actualy are.
I should hurry to the hangerbay i am allmost late
Entry: #4 End
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And if you do, take a look at Eetion's latest posts -- http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=1606;sa=showPosts -- and admire how useless, repetitive, and generally nooby he sounds. (Check him out on IRC, too; he's facepalmerific.)
So Delling, if i am this bad - and i could very well be not soo grand at this, as it is the first time i ever try a Forum game of this kind - why don't you then get a bandwagon on to me? Intrinsic's death was because he was useless, which is one of the things you describe me as. I ask thee Mr. Delling, do you dare to get your Wagon rolling over poor private ET?
or are you just again busy getting attention on to the new or not so great people?
I might have been repetitive about my opinions, but i generally can't see why i should post another novel about suspicious things if two people have done it already, it's limited info, and if they have already pointed out the most essential why shouldn't i just do like this?
Nothing has to be said more than Tyler and Shiftey has.
Tyler:
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101529#msg101529
Shiftey:
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101767#msg101767
Delling, You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting.
Times up Imperials, if he doesn't go down in the night we need to make a stand.
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To the next thing on my agenda:
(1/4) Emptyy-Shiftey-TTaM triangle (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102054#msg102054)
(2/4) Kawe/Nachmanun
(3/4) Ino-kill and Hugman poisoning
(4/4) Delling
[22:59] <kawe> nach, if I was wrong, sorry o/
[22:59] <delling> my favorite app is iNoob
[22:59] <Shiftey> !
[22:59] <kawe> otherwise, die rebel scum
Kawe made a blooper, and a bad one at that. If he's mafia, he would had to somehow know would be killed. I find this highly unlikely.
My bet is that he get's killed during the next couple of nights, as the likelyhood of him getting lynched is very small.
To my knowledge, Kawe is gathering information on everyone, trying to make the pieces fit. I encourage to provide him with an honest answer. He's clever enough not to reveal information to the mafia in his upcoming accusation post.
Idea: Jailor protects Kawe, so he gets more time fitting the pieces together. I spend my blaster, and Mafia will kill me. This way, we don't have to lynch me nor Shiftey, but instead force mafia to spend one of their kills.
It's at least something to consider. Creating uncertainty on which one of me and Kawe are protected will either cause them to go for a kill on both, hence wasting one kill or not kill either of us.
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Sorry about not posting much, been a lovely day today not paid much attention to the thread tbh. Will read up on the pages I've missed and give my opinion a bit later.
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(1/4) Emptyy-Shiftey-TTaM triangle (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102054#msg102054)
(2/4) Kawe/Nachmanun (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102081#msg102081)
(3/4) Ino-kill and Hugman poisoning
(4/4) Delling
Hugman-poisoning
Posts
Not much point in quoting much of Hugman. I bet he can make more accurate guesses on who's responsible, himself. I will however link the bigger posts, summing them up how I interpret them.
Suspecting Intrinsic-voters (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101709#msg101709)
Long post basically suspecting quiet people. Drawing attention away from loud people (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101678#msg101678)
Drawing attention away from Kesh/Kawe/Tronz (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101689#msg101689)
Says Archz is a good target to lynch, as he doesn't play smart (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101168#msg101168)
Voting
Voted Archz(4th). Didn't change.
Draw conclusions based on this is ~impossible. He stayed low, and that makes it harder to point fingers. Hugman is clever person with leadership-abilites, and could be killed just because he would be threatening later on in the game, without having actually been onto something.
If he was killed for being onto something, Intrinsic-voters would be suspicious. Could also be that Archz is a part of the mafia team (in which case I'm personally very surprised (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101597#msg101597))
Ino
Posts:
Defends his inactivity (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101498#msg101498)
Supports me for captain, changes votes from Kawe to Archz (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101480#msg101480)
Votes Kawe, leaning towards Vdti for captain (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101236#msg101236)
Doesn't think Shiftey or Archz should be captains, thinks Tyler is a good choice (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101076#msg101076)
Voting
Ino voted Kawe (4th) on evening, May 30th.
Changed to TTaM (11th) on the evening of May 31st.
Again, it's not much to work with. Most likely killed because he stayed low.
~Conclusion
case #1: Both killed because they stayed low, making it hard for us to point fingers.
case #2: Insintric-wagon contains a somewhat decent amount of mafia.
case #3: Archz is part of the mafia (I personally doubt this).
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Noob my arse.
That is my only mention of you being a noob Delling. It's you that keeps claiming it. The funny thing is you are also justifying yourself as a bad rebel. You know, one that has got caught.
Let's put that aside for now though and imagine you are imperial. Its a bit of a stretch sure, but we can try. We will have to put aside this new revelation that you knew TTaM was our cop. Forget about trying to find some quotes where you tired to support him. Ignore the fact you waited two days to make a post about someone being inactive. Gloss over the fact that you wanted to get Inrisinc bandwagonned to save TTaM, even though you denied it. We can try and imagine you are imperial...
You being a such noob means you are still by far our best lynch target. You have given us nothing useful to try and find rebels. You have managed to convince most of us you are a rebel. We would be better off lynching you. At least then we could go about forming some better theories. Even your last post was a huge wall of self justification. It did nothing to help us find scum. As an Imperial we don't care so much if we get lynched. We care about finding and killing scum. Only rebels care about getting lynched.
You also claim to be a martyr. Well if you are such a noob we should kill you to make sure you don't accidentally save a rebel. If you are so bad there is a good chance you will fuck up and deprive us of a kill at some point.
Emptyy: You need to kill Delling now. There is nothing else to be done. Put the man out of his misery so we can discuss our next lynch target.
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Alright, I'm back from my exam (which is why I haven't posted earlier), and have gone through, and put a lot of thought into the actions of tonight. I will address them in four different posts during this day. I will do my best to seem neutral.
(1/4) Emptyy-Shiftey-TTaM triangle
(2/4) Kawe/Nachmanun
(3/4) Ino-kill and Hugman poisoning
(4/4) Delling
TTaM told me about Shiftey and being a cop @ about 17 yesterday.
TTaM told Shiftey about me and being a cop.
TTaM was going to investigate Delling.
case 1: I'm a rebel, and Shiftey is not. I'm speaking the truth when I say TTaM told me that he told Shiftey
Why on earth wouldn't I make sure to kill Shiftey as well? Some say: Because then you can use it as an argument, but then you're not thinking it through. Had I killed them both, there wouldn't be anyone to mention my name. I'd be out of the picture.
case 2: I'm a rebel, and Shiftey is not. I do not speak the truth when I say TTaM told me that he told Shiftey
This would explain why Shiftey isn't dead already. It would also mean that TTaM told Shiftey, without telling anyone that he told Shiftey, which is harder to swallow.
case 3: Shiftey is a rebel, I am not
Shiftey knows killing TTaM would probably get him lynched, due to what I then would say. Decides to play with high stakes, and kills TTaM, followed by trying to blame it on someone else.
case 4: Shiftey and me are both rebels
And we're retarded as well.
case 5: Neither me or Shiftey are rebels
Which means TTaM told another one or two (mafia) players, which he unfortunately didn't tell me or Shiftey about. If TTaM also told them about investigating Delling, this could be a last attempt to get attention away from Delling, onto someone else. (Could also mean mafia got extremely lucky - which I doubt).
@Sintrael: My blaster is loaded, and my ears listening
@Delling: Seriously? Seems odd he would both put trust in you, and at the same time investigate you. 5 bucks says you're lying about it.
You cannot hide behind this shit Emptyy. Listing alternatives where you are rebel is pointless as it has been done before. It just looks like you are trying to cause confusion.
You need to kill Delling or Shiftey asap. Now as I have explained Delling is _by far_ the best chioce. Get to it.
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You cannot hide behind this shit Emptyy. Listing alternatives where you are rebel is pointless as it has been done before. It just looks like you are trying to cause confusion.
You need to kill Delling or Shiftey asap. Now as I have explained Delling is _by far_ the best chioce. Get to it.
Working on my Delling post atm. Blasting him is a sensible choice that I'll support. I would however like to see more people supporting me in this action before I go for it. Kawe tells me to wait. You tell me to hurry. /back to writing
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Would the following people please contact me with their role claims, either via PM or on IRC, I haven't caught you online yet. Time is of the essence, please get onto this.
Shankski
Blackwhale
Tronz
Starbrow
Vdti
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(1/4) Emptyy-Shiftey-TTaM triangle (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102054#msg102054)
(2/4) Kawe/Nachmanun (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102081#msg102081)
(3/4) Ino-kill and Hugman poisoning (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102093#msg102093)
(4/4) Delling
A whole lot have been said about Delling and his close to three-figure number of posts in this thread. I will not look through his posts, because it would take all night. As mentioned, he has posted a lot, though close to nothing of value.
Building a case against Shiftey?
"Telling it as it is" - mentioning Shiftey 8 times. (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102069#msg102069)
Linking to Shifteys post where he analyzes Kesh (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102020#msg102020)
Another post, claiming Shiftey started the Kesh-train (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101938#msg101938)
Shiftey did analyzes on several persons, not just Kesh. He did himself vote on Kesh 4th, and removed that vote early on the 31st (Reason for this will be obvious further down). To me, it doesn't really look like Shiftey wanted Kesh dead.
If Kesh told you about Shiftey, as you claim, it would be a clever move to dispose of Kesh as a way of framing him. If not (as I believe is most likely), then you have been lying. In both cases you should be killed.
There is another thing I would like to question:
Kesh told Delling about Shiftey?
"I knew that Kesh knew about Shiftey (and vice-versa) -- but I didn't get as far as finding out that Emptyy was also part of the triangle/square." (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102031#msg102031)
He then says (regarding his post above):
"The second comment was me admitting that Kesh and I had talked before the Shiftey<>Kesh link was made" (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102040#msg102040)
First you say you knew about Shiftey<->Kesh because Kesh told you, then you 'correct it' to you and Kesh had talked BEFORE Kesh<->Shiftey link was made.
When Tyler asks him when Kesh told about Shiftey, Delling responds (vaguely):
"Most of my talking with Kesh was early on the first day." (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102053#msg102053)
Seems like you claimed to know about Shiftey, then regrets saying so, followed by trying to sweep it under the rug.
I spoke to Shiftey regarding when Kesh told him about being a cop:
<Shiftey> 6:58 on tuesday morning was when he told me he's got a blue role
<Shiftey> but I was in contact with him much earlier I think like I had a query window open with him since my post
This is day 2, while you claim Kesh told you on day 1.
Eventually, you speak as if he didn't tell you Shiftey knew.
"Daekesh and I talked for the first time very early on the first day -- as far as I know before he had talked to Shiftey." (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102069#msg102069)
There's also some other questions that arise:
- Why come forth 15 hours after me and Shiftey?
- Why didn't TTaM tell anyone that he told you?
- Why would he trust in you that he was a cop, when he at the same time investigated you?
This all reek of spasmic dysphonia.
Conclusion
There are other things that make Delling look suspicious, for example his random posting attempting to confuse us. However I think the two mentioned examples speak for themselves. He is a rebel. Should he by the off chance not be, disposing of him would probably be good for us.
##Vote: Delling
I will blast him when/if more people get behind you Tyler, but I'm not your puppet.
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You cannot hide behind this shit Emptyy. Listing alternatives where you are rebel is pointless as it has been done before. It just looks like you are trying to cause confusion.
I can't defend myself with what I see as viable arguments? Or you think my arguments aren't valid?
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Would the following people please contact me with their role claims, either via PM or on IRC, I haven't caught you online yet. Time is of the essence, please get onto this.
Shankski
Blackwhale
Tronz
Starbrow
Vdti
i dont really wanna tell you my role when i do not trust you. i dont remember seeing any proof you are a blue other than you claming it. might have missed it tho!
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Would the following people please contact me with their role claims, either via PM or on IRC, I haven't caught you online yet. Time is of the essence, please get onto this.
Shankski
Blackwhale
Tronz
Starbrow
Vdti
i dont really wanna tell you my role when i do not trust you. i dont remember seeing any proof you are a blue other than you claming it. might have missed it tho!
Exactly the same
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Well the FACTS are that last night one of our were gunned down by a vigilante.
And Kawe pretty much would've had to predicted that the vigilante would use his kill during that night.
[22:59] <kawe> nach, if I was wrong, sorry o/
[22:59] <delling> my favorite app is iNoob
[22:59] <Shiftey> !
[22:59] <kawe> otherwise, die rebel scum
And the vigilante who actually did the killing would've had to remain silent and just watch us trust the wrong guy.
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I have told Kawe the same on IRC. I trust Kawe since it's clear he is an imperial, but he has been talking to a lot of players out of sight from all of us. There are bound to be rebels in there so who is too say he is listening to right ppl? He refuses to clarify anything to me saying he wants to keep his cards close for now. That's his right and I'd probably do the same, but since I don't know the players behind him I've limited what i've told him.
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You cannot hide behind this shit Emptyy. Listing alternatives where you are rebel is pointless as it has been done before. It just looks like you are trying to cause confusion.
I can't defend myself with what I see as viable arguments? Or you think my arguments aren't valid?
I did not see the point of you listing 3 cases where you were a rebel. If you are a rebel we don't really care about your logic, you will just be trying to mislead us. It was pointless, or purposefully confusing, mirroring of Shifteys more interesting post.
I am not so interested in hearing you defend yourself. I am more interested in your ideas as to who is a rebel.
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Thought 1: How do we know that TTaM did in fact tell his role to all the people who now claim to have know about it? Or rather, Shiftey and Emptyy seems to have known about each other, but none of them about Delling? Isn't that weird?
Thought 2: As far as I can see, it's impossible for there to be three kills in a night unless an imperial vigilante spends his kill. This is because no rebels have the ability to instantly kill an extra person during the night, and they as a whole only have two kills in the night.
With this in mind, and unless Kawe is psychic and the real vigilante is a fucking retard (combined chance of that is zero?), it should mean Kawe is now completely confirmed as an imperial. After thinking this through, I would say that it makes sense that everyone talks to him in private so he can figure some shit out. Kawe should then also recieve protection from the jailor from now on so the trustworthy person can be kept alive as long as possible.
But please think this through yourselves, and if you can see some fault in my logic, then please speak up and refrain from talking to Kawe. However, I wouldn't find it legitimate to not explain why you won't talk to him. You need to have a good reason for why he is not an imperial. Fail to provide this and refuse to talk to him and you're a clear rebel in my book.
Thought 3: I'm unsure about Delling to be fair, but the whole thing is so twisted and it's late (I'm here cause I can't sleep), so overview isn't exactly working well atm. I need some time to ponder Shifteys role in all this. I think he may be a pretty clear lynch if Emptyy blasts Delling, and Delling a lynch if Emptyy blasts Shiftey (though it's a whole new can of worms if the blasted one isn't a rebel). Delling seems to be the logical choice atm, and if he is a rebel, we can use that information to try and deduce his accomplices before lynchtime.
Shifteys way of stating that he's imperial in his scenarios is pretty strange too (making an intentional mistake in the scenario where he is the rebel and Emptyy isn't). Vote staying on Delling for now.
So in short: Speak to Kawe, or speak up about why not. Other shit is more speculative. Needs more info...
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Also, updated vote chart. It's late so there may be errors, but I think I caught all of it. I checked them twice at least. Would the following people start speaking up votewise or explain why they haven't voted:
Archz, Blackwhale, Graxlos, Grishnag, Kendoki, Shankski, Sintrael, Tronz and Vdti.
I assume Kawe is holding off while waiting for information.
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The mafia wants to save one shot abilities for the end so they can win by using them meaning the longer you hesitate Emptyy the more suspicious of you i'm getting !
Also this sudden reveal from Dells site seems like attempt of sacrifice for Emptyy!
Since Dell already got a pretty big deal of votes you have my vote on the Insta kill on Dell so we can move on.
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But please think this through yourselves, and if you can see some fault in my logic, then please speak up and refrain from talking to Kawe. However, I wouldn't find it legitimate to not explain why you won't talk to him. You need to have a good reason for why he is not an imperial. Fail to provide this and refuse to talk to him and you're a clear rebel in my book.
So in short: Speak to Kawe, or speak up about why not. Other shit is more speculative. Needs more info...
Flawed logic for 1 big reason. Kawe is talking everyone and it's pretty clear from drop in posst from some people and the increase of posting from Tyler that Tyler is the spokesperson of an inner circle. While I agree that Kawe is most definitely imperial there are people, in what I suspect to be the inner circle, who aren't imperial. So instead of ~14 imperials trying to shift through the info we only have ~4 of which 1 is/might be rebel?
Needs more info...
I couldn't agree more and I think this is the worst turn of events that can happen for the imperial. Silence and confusion...
It's actually the push for the instant kill that has me baffled. Not the target, but the fact that some ppl want it used. We want to use the instant lynch when we have a 2nd likely target. Now all that will happen is that we kill Delling and then what? Maybe vote an imperial? We just ourselves more than rebels since they aren't going to burn their fingers on Delling anymore.
Tyler and now Veilas have said hang Delling and now on. I say keep your votes on Delling and ignore for him. Go look at others 1st and when we get a good 2nd target that is when we use the instant lynch either on delling or the new target. Using it now is pointless. We better be pretty sure we pick a good target, because killing Delling and an imperial is probably more of loss of us than the rebels.
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Don't be vague, Yoica; replace 'some people' with names.
As an aside, you've voiced that you're concerned that I'm leaking information to the wrong people, and also that you're concerned with my keeping my information close to my chest. Which is it gonna be? In addition, by publicly saying that you've limited what you've told me marks you out as an appealing target for the mafia without providing me with anything one way or the other.
Shankski:
1 word..... FUCK
So you're aware of what's happened and my blunder
Yes we have been royally fucked by this however its not a game loser yet. Personally I think we need some clever use of the jailor to help turn this game around.
Obviously the jailor coming forward is a bad idea. But I was thinking we could have some unofficial vote or something about who we think should be jailed, and the jailor can safely lock them up without their identity being revealed. If the jailor doesn't agree with the vote by all means he/she could lock up whoever he/she wants.
Appart from that the other only really useful Blue we have left is the Imperial Assassin. This target will need to be chosen carefully since we don't have any solid info coming in cause they are all dead.
Hug if you have any idea who could be Rebel use your blame ability before its too late.
This post contains a few things of note.
1- You want the Jailor's choice to be influenced - undeniably to some extent by mafia - but in a way where nobody looks guilty. The only ones who would benefit from knowing a likely possible Jailor target would be mafia.
2- You speak of the imperial assassin role. The fact it is on your mind is important; see after next quote.
3- You think Hug would wait until after it's too late to use his blame ability? E.g. when he's already dead?
i dont really wanna tell you my role when i do not trust you. i dont remember seeing any proof you are a blue other than you claming it. might have missed it tho!
Exactly the same
So you're saying that I have claimed, with no backing, 'a blue role'. Yet you showed in your reaction to the three night deaths you were aware of that; and you showed your awareness of the Imperial Assassin's role in your considerations in your second post I've listed; but you happily hop on someone else's reasoning, reasoning that ignores all of this, to explain why you won't trust me or give me any info.
Most curious.
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1st quote I was just shocked about how carnage that night was for us.
The 2nd quote was highlighting that due to the current situation we are in, I can only see a winning outcome from using the jailor well. Obviously we don't want the jailor coming forward as the slightest inkling could get him killed by the mafia. I was purely suggesting a means where the jailor could find out who to jail, due to the fact the cop and tracker are dead we have no investigative information coming in. Of course this method would be susceptible to Rebel influence but to be honest I don't really see another way.
With regards to the assassin I was looking through the roles to see what blues we actually had left.
Someone obviously did mess up with their kill. However, theres a possibility that it is not you. This wouldn't be the first time you would of lied about having a blue role. Yes I did see the IRC log, but if you were Rebel you would be aware of the targets to be killed that night. Maybe Nach was already going to be killed and you just put his name in their to seem like you did a vig kill.
I'm not accusing you of this, I'm just saying it is a possibility that I have kept in mind and is why I don't trust you enough to tell you my role. To be honest there are very few people I trust in this game at the moment.
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Someone obviously did mess up with their kill. However, theres a possibility that it is not you. This wouldn't be the first time you would of lied about having a blue role. Yes I did see the IRC log, but if you were Rebel you would be aware of the targets to be killed that night. Maybe Nach was already going to be killed and you just put his name in their to seem like you did a vig kill.
I'm not accusing you of this, I'm just saying it is a possibility that I have kept in mind and is why I don't trust you enough to tell you my role. To be honest there are very few people I trust in this game at the moment.
The only problem here is that it makes no sense for a vigilante to not come forward after using his ability. And noone other than Kawe has. Even if a second vigilante was claimed, I'd still go with Kawe because of the IRC logs. Even so, if someone came forward claiming vigilante, there's a clear 50/50 lynch between a rebel and an imperial, which could be resolved using Emptyy, giving us information.
The telling thing for me is that noone other than Kawe has stepped forward.
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You do understand that the alternative scenario is that I'm a rebel who knew the vigilante would hit, and who, and when, and for certain, and claimed it before the post, and the vigilante has said nothing, and that they've not mentioned anything about it in any way?
What vigilante would sit by as someone else claimed their kill and from it the trust of the town, knowing that that person didn't commit that action, and is therefore lying? I'm thankful that no mafia had the quick wits, or balls, to make a rapid counter claim, as a real vig with a kill claim stolen from them absolutely would have made one quickly to stop any shenanigans.
You didn't consider any of this, nor Starbrow's post on the subject?
At the same time, you have not put forward anything new or the opinions (that you said you would).
Sorry about not posting much, been a lovely day today not paid much attention to the thread tbh. Will read up on the pages I've missed and give my opinion a bit later.
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I havent voted yet, because the only reason i see to vote for Delling at this points is for the following reason :
Tyler - I wasn't keen on voting in the first place (as you say), and I was more convinced with Daekesh's analysis of Kawe, than Kawe's analysis of Archz. So I went with Kawe.
I don't think either of them are rebels (or Kawe is a rebel and has massively overplayed his hand, buoyed up with hubris from last game) -- but as you guys say, voting is better than not-voting.
If I had to cast my own independent vote, I would vote for Ino, Tronz or Intrinsic, because they've been almost completely useless.
This is a very defensive post. Why would you not vote for one of the guys you listed if you think they are useless? Why vote Kawe if you think he is not a rebel? It looks to me like you are keeping a low profile, trying not to stick out too much.
##Unvote: Archz
##Vote: Delling
He serious contradicts himself here. I agree here totally with Tyler, why vote for Kawe, when you say yerself : "If I had to cast my own independent vote, I would vote for Ino, Tronz or Intrinsic." Seems steered in my eyes. This is the only reason as of yet i would vote for Delling.
All the other reason like too many posts and too many noobiness or starting the bandwagon are too weak of arguments to give him my vote for him now.
I am also curious as to where certain people went, Chippen only posted voted a vote for Delling, no reason given, Blackwhale is dead silent, and so are many more people. I need to see some posts from them. Untill i see some posts from them, my vote is still my own.
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I've been away for a day now, so I had to use so time to catch up, this thread is really growing fast.
Here are some takes on some of the people.
Kawe: Definitely imperial. The evidence has already been presented, no reason to repeat this. However, I would like to add that everyone who do not want to talk to him in private should be our targets. The only people who would not want to reveal their role to a known imperial, are mafia. I suggest everyone to talk to him in private on IRC or through forum PMs.
Delling: He seems to have hidden quite a few secrets and is somewhat inconsistent in the TTaM/Shiftey/Emptyy think, but he comes forward as a martyr and as nobody else have, he probably telling the truth. This could best be confirmed by Kawe after he's talked to everyone.
Yoica: Seems somewhat unwilling to talk to kawe, but I don't think he's a rebel. He did defend TTaM during day 1. I haven't checked if this was after or before he had the most votes for a while, so I'm not going 100% on this one. Yoica: Talk to kawe to clear things up.
shankski: He really don't want to talk to kawe, claiming he doesn't trust him, even after all the evidence has been presented. Number one lynch target in my book.
Other:
Kawe already listed a list of people who he wanted to talk to and as long as they do not talk to him, they are all acting suspicious. I just talked to Kawe on IRC, and he can confirm this, and I really suggest everyone to do the same.
As for why I haven't voted yet, I've already explained that I had to catch up. I'm going to give my vote for shankski for the reasons I've explained, but I'm willing to follow Kawe's vote as he is definitely the one with the most information.
##Vote: shankski
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Do the Wookie keep people from posting, as well as voting? The vigilante could've told the wrong person (maybe even Kawe influenced him to kill Nach), sent the wookie on him and now he knows all our roles ^^
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Yoica: Seems somewhat unwilling to talk to kawe, but I don't think he's a rebel. He did defend TTaM during day 1. I haven't checked if this was after or before he had the most votes for a while, so I'm not going 100% on this one. Yoica: Talk to kawe to clear things up.
Except Yoica voted for TTaM until the very end and argued for him a bit. I do not think he did defend him at all.
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Disregard that last post, they can still speak
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I do not mind telling kawe my role if multiple people say that they have the same log as kawe has posted as it looks to me like it would be easy to fake( I don't know anything about irc tho)
Having a person which has all the roles peole claim to have and see how they act will greatly help the ship get rid of these rebel scum
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I've been away for a day now, so I had to use so time to catch up, this thread is really growing fast.
Here are some takes on some of the people.
Yoica: Seems somewhat unwilling to talk to kawe, but I don't think he's a rebel. He did defend TTaM during day 1. I haven't checked if this was after or before he had the most votes for a while, so I'm not going 100% on this one. Yoica: Talk to kawe to clear things up.
I never defended TTaM as Shiftey pointed. I thought he was guiltly. This logic about talk to Kawe or else is retarded. I've given my reasons. It isn't just Kawe you are giving your name and role to it's his inner circle. While I agree Kawe is imperial I don't hold the same opinion of others.
The only people who would not want to reveal their role to a known imperial, are mafia.
Really?! So by the same logical anyone who does give his role is imperial? I don't think so. There are, at least, 3 roles a rebel could claim that would be safe bet 1)Private 2)Alderaanian 3) Bounty Hunter. None of those have an active ability until they die at which point it would've been too late for the rebel anyway.
We should drop the subject, I understand why people argue one point, but I don't agree with the logic behind it for the above reason. You can either choose to meekly follow Kawe trusting him implicitly with the dangerous of him having a rebel whispering in his ear or you don't. I choose the latter until I can exclude members of the inner circle from being rebels.
Anyway I'm sticking to my initial reasoning to vote for Tronz.
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I agree with all the requests for the silent people to post their thoughts. Not spam, but constructive breakdowns of they situation as they see it. Mouseh, Chippen, Blackwhale are names that spring to mind. I'm sure there are more.
Mainly though I'm confused as to why we haven't blasted Delling yet.
It is in our interest to use Emptyy's extra kill on a definate target. If there is doubt over who to use it on the rebels will have an eaiser time in making mischief with it. We are never going to have a better target han Delling. We should do it now to ensure it is done in the empire's interests.
It is in our interest to use Emptyy's kill tonight so that our jailer can focus on protedting Kawe. The later this extra kill is used the more damage it will do if misused. We can still recover from a mislynch now, at some point in the game the extra lynch could be used either in error or maliciously to decisivley swing the game.
I am going out this afternoon. I'm not sure I will be able to check the thread properly. I will try to make sure I vote if needed though.
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##Vote: Delling
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Okay, time for me to post something as well. I been quite silent yesterday as I was pretty shocked by the last night's kills and needed some time to clear my head. At the end of day 1 I was sure TTaM was a rebel the way he acted, and I still can't belive he was a blue :/
A lot of things have been said since then, a lot of good points and I'm not going to repeat them so I'm gonna keep this short:
First and the most important thing: I had a little talk with Kawe this morning and it came to my attention that there is a good possibility that next to the Shiftey and Emptyy at least one more person knew about the TTaMs role. And I'm not talking here about Delling, as I personally doubt Delling's story, but theres chance hes telling the truth too. I don't know why this haven't been said already here on forums, as I think its crucial. Only when think that we could have killed two imperials based on the Shiftey/Emptyy theory that very possibly isn't even true.
If emptyy was quick on trigger like some wanted him to be and shot shiftey right away and shiftey turned out to be Imperial we would lynch emptyy then, where he might have been imperial too. Ofc one of them still might be rebel, but like any of us can (except maybe Kawe).
Now second thing: I really don't know on what was based killing Nach. He didn't seem suspicious to me, at least not more than other quiet people. Kawe said that it was based on his personal conversations he had with Nach on irc and that no one knew he was suspecting him and was going to kill him.
Can you then exlain this to me:
(00:11) <Shiftey> we all agreed Nach is mafia
(from #iron-edge irc channel)
that is 11 minutes after the night actions, 11 minutes after Kawe apologized to Nach for killing him. Shiftey who are that 'we'? I'm aware that group of you are doing your own investigation on irc and i'm generally okay with it but that could be very dangerous and don't be surprised if one or few members of that group turn out to be mafia. Be careful. Cuz of this group I understand some people who don't want to reveal their role to Kawe.
You sure that no one influenced your decision Kawe? Maybe someone just turned you in Nach's direction and you did the rest yourself.
And the last thing: Delling. My vote still stays for him, cuz of his behavior throughout the whole game. And if Delling indeed turns out to be mafia there is another thing we need to question: his relation with Tronz. But thats something we can get on later.
It turns out it wasn't that short afterall :>
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Shanks what u've been saying is really suspect.
The likelyhood that kawe is a rebel is utterly minscule, as has been stated, with many reasons, many times. The fact you haven't accepted this and made a role claim or actually presented the scenario that you believe why kawe is a rebel makes you highly suspect in my eyes.
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##Vote: Shankski
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the reason that i havent said anything about anyone is cause i would just be copying people that said stuff before me
that bieng said delling looks as guilty as... something realy guilty
##Vote: Delling
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/cross fingers
##Lynch: Delling
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Just to clarify something I just said on TS.
I was roleblocked last night. I don't think this has to be kept secret. I didn't want to say before as I don't think the town need to know everything :)
I am also sceptical of piling all this responsibilty on Kawe. I trust that he is imperial, but even the best of us can make mistakes :P I think that we should go on posting as much in the thread as possible.
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This post of yours makes no sense Tyler, you want everyone to give info, yet you withhold info? Why? And why say it now? What the reason behind it?
Here you trying to "clear" Kawe, suggesting you believe him being good, now you are saying you are sceptical? Whats with the sudden change?
This move towards Kawe is a supprise to say the least. Can someone summarise what he has actually done. I see lots of "sow confustion" type comments, but no quotes to back them up. I mean Kawe has posted a lot, and it's constent as far as I can see. Are you guys really saying that of the 26 suspects Kawe is the best one?
And then the serious pressure on Emptyy's to use the kill; as far i can see its you and later joined by Eetion to use it; its a decision for all not for you to make alone. You said it 4 times now to shoot him; why? Whats with the pressure?
And you saying now in a LOL manner that the best of us can makes mistakes, as when Graxlos refers to your play it go full frontal in the attack?
If all else fails go down the personal attacks route eh Grax?
Again; this is one weird post of you that doesnt make ANY sense at all.
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If it wasn't clear Kendo, I told the guys on TS I was roleblocked. So I thought it better to also post here. I want everyone to post their thoughts on who is scum yes, but not everything the know. For example if people have a blue role they should not post it.
I am not trying to clear Kawe here, or claim he is sus. Just saying that he is putting a lot of pressure on himself to make the correct calls.
My last point was to do with picking personal fights. No one gains anything from this except the scum.
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I haven't post my suspicions cause I don't really have a clue atm.
If you lynch me you will be lynching another green.
Sint I did say the scenario where there was a possibility Kawe is a rebel. No matter how small the possibility may be its still a reason not to trust him in my books. Theres only 2/3 people I trust in this game enough to tell them my role and they already know it.
Vdti, I explained the possibility that this "evidence" is not 100% watertight, hence the reason im not willing to reveal my role to Kawe.
I really don't see the big problem with this. If you are in doubt lock me up by all means but I am a green and you guys will be wasting another lynch.
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Why on earth would you trust 2/3 other people enough to tell your role, but Kawe (the only one we have any inkling of evidence is imperial) you do not trust? And who then knows your role? Does it even make sense that you're telling other people your role when you in the same post claim to be a green?
In fact, didn't you just manage to show everyone that you are in fact NOT a green?
*Honks down and waits for some admin to let us know what Delling was*
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##Unvote: Delling
As he's sort of dead now...
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##Unvote: Delling
HNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.......................
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I never defended TTaM as Shiftey pointed. I thought he was guiltly. This logic about talk to Kawe or else is retarded. I've given my reasons. It isn't just Kawe you are giving your name and role to it's his inner circle. While I agree Kawe is imperial I don't hold the same opinion of others.
I went back and looked, and it seems I'm mistaken for that. Sorry about it, must have confused you with someone else.
As when it comes to kawe giving our roles out to other players, all I can say is that I hope he uses the information we give him carefully, but I do believe he will use it wisely.
I have to say I'm very curious to see how the lynch of Delling went, but it doesn't really teach us anything if he was imperial. He claimed to a martyr, so if he's not either our martyr hasn't spoken up to incriminate him or we don't have one at all.
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##Lynch
The Captain had spoken. His words were few, but decisive.
"Bring me Delling".
"I will have you killed now, traitor. For your crimes against the Empire you shall die this day. Consider yourself lucky you won't be brought to Lord Vader in person.
Take him away!"
Roughly, Delling was dragged away in front of a firing squad of the Emperor's men, he pleaded his innocence until the moment the blasters fired.
(http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/article/716/716342/star-wars-episode-iv-a-new-hope-limited-edition-20060630074007506_640w.jpg)
Delling the Rebel Assassin has been killed
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Good job el capitan.
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Thanks Emptyy, you confirmed it for me now
##Vote: Emptyy
Using a lynch on a target already pretty much lynched? GEGE
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Good job indeed, i am going to a bbq tonight, not sure i be back on time to put in a vote, so gonna do it now. Here are my thoughts up to this point.
My list :
Delling for the reason mentioned earlier, seeing he is dead (good riddance), no need to vote anymore.
Chippen for strange voting, first fun, then joining the bandwagon then for starting the bandwagon, has given no info at all, or thoughts behind anything, just following along.
Blackwhale, not said a word, not seen anywhere, voting also bit weird no reasons anywhere, basicly the most usefull
Shankski rlly defensive post... rll weird, rlly suspicious.
Been a close call between Chippen and Shankski, but going for Shankski now.
So : ##Vote: Shankski
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If I defend myself it looks guilty, if I don't defend myself it looks guilty.
You are making a mistake.
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I would like to thank Tyler for making this kill happen. We pushed for it hard and despite the obstruction, we made it happen.
Congratulations
FOR THE EMPIRE!
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Said it on irc, anyway - Chippen:
I do not follow your logic, there was alot of pressure to fire off dell, and it was obviously a great call - but for THAT REASON you now have MORE suspicion towards him? It shouldn't change anything, nobody suggested he were to kill Shiftey(I think? Correct me if I'm wrong).
[15:47] <Chippen> if emptyy really wanted to clear his name, he'd lynch shiftey (and shiftey was a rebel)
If I follow your logic, tyler should now be my main suspicion, which he's really, really not.
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I think Emptyy lynching dell when he has that many votes is not only suspicious but a waste. Now we know dell was a rebel it would have been interesting to see who came out of the woodwork near lynching time to defend him. (now they don't have too).
Tyler was overly pushy towards the death of delling (even though it was already coming) this is an easily achievable ploy in acting innocent, atleast in my eye's.
(Going out later today so I'll try and catch up the rest tonight)
##Unvote: Delling
##Vote: Tyler
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Note that this should not clear Emptyy, as there is still the possibility that Emptyy is a rebel and the Delling lynch was an attempt to mark him as a trustworthy Imperial. Sure we're down a rebel, which is great, but it does not mean he is immune. Remember this everyone. And no offense meant Emptyy, we just gotta play it safe!
Tyler pushing for the kill is good, but the same logic applies, he is not a proven Imperial for that feat alone.
I'm thinking of voting for Shankski untill he sorts out the utter mess of his last role post, or talks to Kawe, or at least provides an argument that makes sense. Alternatively we heard that Shiftey knew about TTaMs role in all of this, and someone certainly leaked it to the rebels it seems.
Time to get some theories on the table as to what we can conclude from delling being a rebel!
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So with the amount of players left we now have around 25% chance of lynching a rebel.
It seems there is a general consensus that either shiftey or emptyy is a rebel.
Why not vote for a 50/50 chance instead of a 25% chance?
I dont quite see what delling did that was so suspicious tbh. Intrinsic was a logical choice imho. As mentioned earlier I did not see any of the main suspects as rebels and atleast it is confirmed that ttam was innocent.
These two quotes are the reason I'm going to vote for Grax. He has not done anything contructive this game. Just tried to provoke me (and Eet) into pointless personal arguments. If he were imperial he would be trying to smooth the waters, not carry over arguments from last game.
##Vote: Graxlos
p.s. Thanks you too Shiftey. WP!
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Just noticed the bot differentiates between shankski and Shankski, so just revoting:
##Unvote: shankski
##Vote: Shankski
As for delling being a rebel, I'm a bit surprised that our martyr didn't speak up when delling claimed to be one. (If we have one).
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If I defend myself it looks guilty, if I don't defend myself it looks guilty.
You are making a mistake.
If it was a defense, it was full of holes and big inconsistancies, as pointed out by Starbrow
Why on earth would you trust 2/3 other people enough to tell your role, but Kawe (the only one we have any inkling of evidence is imperial) you do not trust? And who then knows your role? Does it even make sense that you're telling other people your role when you in the same post claim to be a green?
In fact, didn't you just manage to show everyone that you are in fact NOT a green?
*Honks down and waits for some admin to let us know what Delling was*
And which instead of addressing, you make an emo "I can't win" post.
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Yeah, Graxlos behavior in this game is odd to say the least. Some posts with content could be good.
I'd also like to hear Doomslay elaborate a bit on his support for delling as captain?
I think Emptyy lynching dell when he has that many votes is not only suspicious but a waste. Now we know dell was a rebel it would have been interesting to see who came out of the woodwork near lynching time to defend him. (now they don't have too).
It is also never a waste to kill a rebel, and the logic you put up there only applies in hindsight. As was pointed out last game, it was a mistake to NOT lynch Nachmanun there when they had the chance. Giving delling more time might have resulted in the rebels having more time to steer attention away from him. We didn't know with 100% certainty that delling was a rebel untill Palmar told us so.
As such I agree with the point that it could have been interesting to see who would try to save delling, but there is no guarantee it would have happened in any obvious way. It doesn't matter when Emptyy used his blaster, as long as it was on a rebel, which it was.
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I've said earlier before that my vote for delling was out of really not knowing who to support as a captain, at that time he seemed as good as any going on the little info we had.
I agree its never a waste to kill a rebel i just think it was done quickly, there's no reason why emptyy could have waited untill later to lynch delling. If he was going to do it anyway, why not see who tries to defend him? I'm probably reading too much into it though, it seems easy to do that.
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After a bad start, we are back on track with a good kill on Delling!
##Unvote: Delling
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I've said earlier before that my vote for delling was out of really not knowing who to support as a captain, at that time he seemed as good as any going on the little info we had.
I agree its never a waste to kill a rebel i just think it was done quickly, there's no reason why emptyy could have waited untill later to lynch delling. If he was going to do it anyway, why not see who tries to defend him? I'm probably reading too much into it though, it seems easy to do that.
One thing about this Doomslay. At the start of Day 2 alot of us started this Lynch Delling in response to what happened at Night 1, and when the Votes started to roll in, grax came up with these two
I dont quite see what delling did that was so suspicious tbh. Intrinsic was a logical choice imho. As mentioned earlier I did not see any of the main suspects as rebels and atleast it is confirmed that ttam was innocent.
your theories have always been good in the past...
Yes i know that it doesn't exactly defends Delling, however it is a clear try to draw attention to other people, as tyler also stated.
So when it was certain that Delling was going down, nearly no matter what Both Delling and Grax stopped posting. So basicly the Rebels, sacrificed Delling to the wolfs, meanwhile the rest try to stay silent hoping to cover their asses.
There is something pointing towards Grax also being of Rebel blood.
I know I've followed Tyler A LOT, and i care shite about people pointing at me saying that im suspicious and useless and parroting Tyler.
But I generally do not believe that Tyler is a Rebel, he claimed to have been roleblocked, yes it can be part of a giant master plan sure, but i cant see why i shouldn't believe him - as Tyler, along with myself, was one of the few who tried to get Delling Lynched on Day 1.
##Vote: Graxlos
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fck me 2nd quote was to be:
I dont quite see what delling did that was so suspicious tbh. Intrinsic was a logical choice imho. As mentioned earlier I did not see any of the main suspects as rebels and atleast it is confirmed that ttam was innocent.
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3rd time is the charm...
So with the amount of players left we now have around 25% chance of lynching a rebel.
It seems there is a general consensus that either shiftey or emptyy is a rebel.
Why not vote for a 50/50 chance instead of a 25% chance?
This is the 2nd quote as it should have been first....
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I agree with you there, ET. Grax's posts have been suspicious.. I'll keep my eye on things, I might be making a mistake accusing tyler :)
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all these posts pointing out the suspicious behavior of Grax has me convinced that he is infact a rebel
##Unvote: Delling
##Vote: Graxlos
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Tonight's lynch better be a freaking rebel or we just wasted a lynch.
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Let's look on Shankski for a bit and start in chronological order of things:
Shankski: Wanted to be captain until somebody pointed out that it's very suspicious - then claims he's just having fun. A red backing out to allay suspicion?
Yeah, what?s up with that? Delling wanted to be a captain, you wanted to be a captain. More on that below.
With regards to who will be captain I agree with most people that Dell, Tyler or Vdti.
You are suggesting 3 people for captain, one of them being Delling, maybe trying to hide a rebel among some more trustworthy types.
A few people also still being quiet maybe due to work and other things, and due to the fact this thread is massive already. However, you need to step up soon and have some input before it starts looking suspicious.
Getting more people to ?spam? the thread only helps the mafia, as with Delling, look how much damn spam he did to create a bit of chaos. Not always are the silent people the most suspicious.
I think its too early to start pointing fingers as we have very little to go on. Could be an early attempt for the Rebels to sway the votes.
This is the second time you said that in the thread. And then for the third time later on:
Just read through most of it. Emptyy's post was helpful, but i'm not going to trust him completely for posting it and i think Mouseh would be a better choice for captain as she has been a reasonable voice in the game so far.
So..
##Support: Mouseh
I need to think more about who i think should be lynched, will post a bit later.
Not sure what to think of this. So you didnt trust Emptyy, you voted for Mouseh and then you go all congratulating him for the rebel kill we just have.
It is still very early in the game and we don't have a great deal to go on.
Look how late in the game it is already. You said this 3 times. You know what, day 1 may be early but we found Delling was a rebebl with a very strong chance on day 1. So this is just a rebel way of seeding doubt.
During day 1 you voted for Tronz and Intrinsic, both of them because they were very quite. Perfect targets for rebels, we get no information out of this. And Intrinsic died, he was innocent and who initiated it? Delling himself! And what was your reaction?
At this stage in the game it was almost guaranteed we would lynch a green, I'm just glad that a useless green was killed rather than someone who had put in some input and at least tried.
Obviously we can start analysing who voted for Intrinsic and maybe deduce a pattern by last minute switchers or anyone canvassing to get Intrinsic lynched. I am fully aware I may be on that list but in my opinion I made the right decision at the time.
Hopefully we will get some info after this night has passed too.
Yeah, it?s alright, green dying on day 1 is fairly alright I know that too, but looks like you are trying to cover your own tracks perhaps. And you say we could start analysing who voted for him and deduce a pattern? Well I take your word for it. I am just doing it. You?re guilty as charged! And it?s nice you are proposing a course of action but not taking the action itself. Very rebel-like to do so.
Sorry about not posting much, been a lovely day today not paid much attention to the thread tbh. Will read up on the pages I've missed and give my opinion a bit later.
Yeah, nice weather, or maybe trying to lay-low and have an excuse for it?
Last but not least. You refuse to believe Kawe even a bit, creating scenarios under which he could be a rebel and refusing to reveal your role.
I haven't post my suspicions cause I don't really have a clue atm.
If you lynch me you will be lynching another green.
Sint I did say the scenario where there was a possibility Kawe is a rebel. No matter how small the possibility may be its still a reason not to trust him in my books. Theres only 2/3 people I trust in this game enough to tell them my role and they already know it.
Vdti, I explained the possibility that this "evidence" is not 100% watertight, hence the reason im not willing to reveal my role to Kawe.
I really don't see the big problem with this. If you are in doubt lock me up by all means but I am a green and you guys will be wasting another lynch.
Once again refusing to be involved in any kind of finger pointing and on day 2, that is bad play for imperial. Not serving us well. So even if you are a green as you claim, you might just as well die. (So you claim a role in public thread, being green, but not to Kawe?)
By green you mean green role or imperial affiliation?
Plus you trust some people more than kawe? Despite there being a 0.000001% chance of Kawe being an actual scumbag. He?s the most trustworthy guy we have right now. And you say you shared your role with 2/3 people. So did you share it with 2 or did you share it with 3? Which is it? And why with them?
At the end are you really suggesting we waste a fucking jailor on your rather than keeping kawe alive for longer? Seriously?
Good job el capitan.
So you didnt support him for captain but now what.
Anyway, after going through all that shit. I am very very suspicious of you. In fact so much so, I am going to do what is my only course of action in this game. Vote
##Vote: Shankski
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Eugh where do i start?
I dont know how many times i have to say that the poster I posted at the very start of the game was a joke, it was in direct response to what chip said about anyone wanting to be captain is deadly suspicious. It was a joke and I never seriously ran for captain.
Day 1 we had fuck all to go on and im not the only one who thought dell would make a good captain. Yes I was wrong turns out he was a Rebel, people make mistakes.
Yes I agree that not all silent people are the most suspicious but it doesn't change the fact if they don't post they are no help to us. Like with Intrinsic.
Yes I have repeated myself as people keep accusing me of the same thing over and over.
So because I voted for someone else to be captain I can't congratulate the captain on getting a Rebel kill? makes sense bro.
I wasn't refusing to believe Kawe if you look at my post I said there was a possibility that he could be a Rebel, I wasn't accusing him I was just saying there was a chance.
I never refused to point fingers at people, the way I played this game and the last was to watch over events and make a justified vote rather than just handing them out blindly.
My retardedness was pointed out and looking back I realise my mistake. Yes it was downs and I will probably pay the price for it and you guys will too. All I can say is I played this one badly and will take the consequences
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Just for the record, Shanks actually sent me a PM with his role on the forum hours ago... but I didn't notice it, and didn't think to check due to the way he was responding to the posts here -_-
Not that he's cleared, but it does increase his retard:rebel:imperial chance ratio in the favour of retard a bit.
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Sintrael requesting voting spreadsheeting:
Here's Starbrow's for day 1, he's got better.
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6168.0;attach=3986;image (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6168.0;attach=3986;image)
And mine for day 2 below:
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sorry. my wife just came home from 3 months in Sweden. I had my last exam on Wednesday. I have been out sailing all day and is currently visiting my parents.
its quite hard keeping up.
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I think you put Grishnags vote for Graxlos onto Graxlos own voting thing by mistake? Done a few of those aswell :P
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Yes Starbrow, it's been corrected :P I also apologize for forgetting to resize the picture so it's readable :P
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Delling. My vote still stays for him, cuz of his behavior throughout the whole game. And if Delling indeed turns out to be mafia there is another thing we need to question: his relation with Tronz.
As we got to this point, let's try to figure this out.
Another quote from 2 days ago (quoting myself for the win :P)
Would any mafia be that stupid to start the bandwagon (delling)? Especially while being suspected by so many before cuz of his weird ass comments. If hes mafia I don't understand his actions at all, they aren't logical and smart, and I don't think anyone here thinks hes stupid. What am I missing?
Maybe this is what I was missing, facts:
1. Delling started bandwagon on Instrict (Imperial as we found out later) at the moment when Tronz was getting dangerous high ammount of votes. He did it even before Tronz came to thread to 'defend' himself. Why?
2. Delling first said that he didn't intentionally start vote trend towards Instrict but later 'admited' that he wanted to save TTaM. Now we know that were all lies. So why he did it then?
3. Delling was the mafia
Tronz still barely posts at all.
##Vote: Tronz
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Just got back from work today, the train ahead of mine broke down, 2 stops before my stop, which meant a normally 10min journey by train, took 2 hours.
Anyway good job on the Delling kill. Well done to Tyler for pushing it through, and Empty for taking a chance, as I know you were very worried if you were doing the right thing.
So, by my semi-solid reasoning, we now have 3 people basically confirmed as Imperial. Kawe, Tyler and myself.
Just to solidify my Imperialness, I will do this:
##Vote: Archz
##Accuse: Archz
Palmar said I can change both later if i wish, so I am just doing this to prove 100% I am green.
Tyler, me and Kawe need to get together on ts at some point, so we can share our suspicions and use the extra vote I have to ensure (also possibly with Empty's) that we get the right guy we suspect tonight, before I kick the bucket.
Will spend an hour or so looking over the posts for the last couple of days, and then post my thoughts.
P.S. Fuck you Dell!
P.P.S. Chippen is an idiot.
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So, by my semi-solid reasoning, we now have 3 people basically confirmed as Imperial. Kawe, Tyler and myself.
I am hurt you dont include me :( Fukkn useless Hugman
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So since I will not be able to post tonight and our vigilante has his eyes on yoica. I'm gonna use my blue power to save my skin and make sure I don't waste it by being assassinated tonight.
##Shoot: Yoica
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Isnt that supposed to be in a PM?
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No
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You are supposed to say something cool when you do that!
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We need an arnie 1 liner
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This kill on Dell by no means clears Emptyy.
We basically forced him to kill Delling, if he'd not lynched him or lynched sum1 else (ie. a green) then he would basically be announcing that he and dell were both rebels. Emptyy had no choice, rebel or otherwise, but to lynch dell.
I stand by my earlier argument about Shanks, that his posting has been very inconsistant, not believing kawe as green but confiding his role to 2 (or 3, cos he cant remember? really?) other people on the basis that "kawe could be rebel". There is NO evidence proving that anyone is innocent other than Kawe, how in any way is it better to confide in those people then it is to kawe? Now, either Shanks has a blue role and being dumb, he's a green and being dumb, or he's a rebel and trying to cover his tracks.
That being said, he has no supposedly revealled his role to kawe along with everyone else, caving to peer pressure it seems.
Shanks, I would like to kno, publicly or otherwise, who you confided your role in. If you die in the night cos u confided in a rebel i want to kno who you told.
The second part of this post was supposed to be a big analysis of Yoica, but he just got blasted xD
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Doubt has been cleared.
##Unvote: Graxlos
Gonna see what his Blast on Yoica, which i think is a very good target for the Bullet, is gonna show us.
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Personal Log: Private 1st. Class Argus Barbosa; Callsign "Grishnag"
Date: ABY4.06.03
Entry: #5
When i got to the hangerbay i was in for another shock, There was another death Ino has died i never really talked to him he was the quiet type, He died trying to get out of his TIE-fighter and it put a tear in to my eyes, Due to Ino dying our squadron was one pilot short so we were put on standby.
Standby in these parts of the Galaxy basicly means lots of booze and a few games of Deadman's Hand, We had two rules and those were who ever lost a round had to take a shot and who ever won had to take a shot, So basicly before our shift ended we would be drunk off our nuts, No one was complaining about that.
After my shift ended i decided to go back to the Cantina when i got there it was basicly the way i left it last night a madhouse, Allthough i say it was the way i left it infact the insanity died down a bit and i was thankfull of that.
When i sat down on my normal seat this Kawe guy i met yesterday came up to me from behind and whispered in my ears "I feel silly, I shot Nachmanun when i thought he was a rebel scum", he scared the hell out of me coming from behind out of the shadows, "Are you an Imperial Assassin?" i asked him he quickly responded with a resounding "Yes".
Before we could get in to a discussion someone came running in the cantina screaming that the Elected Captain was going to Lynch a guy named Delling, I am rather good with names and faces and for the life of me i dont remember him bieng on this ship for very long, It turned out that he was the Rebel Assassin sadly we could not get to him before he poisoned one of our own, Thankfully the Captain shot him in the eye and it was bloody and beautiful.
Well its time to go back to the bar i don't have to get up early tommorow because i have the late shift now, So more Coruscant Dive Bombers for me
Entry: #5 End
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So here's what I can gather about Blackwhale, one of the silent types this time. It's weird and there's not much of it. Hard to call this anything.
The more people speak the more of a chance they mess up.
"If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything."
-Mark Twain
So by that definition, if you dont speak at all, you cant mess up right? You and your 7 posts in total, including some voting too.
And that quote, well if you dont say anything, like in your case, you dont have to remember anything either right?
##Support: Vdti
same reason as delling.
Just jumping behind Delling straight away?
##Unsupport: Vdti
##Support: Mouseh
Supporting mouseh because im sure she's imperial and i have my evil eye on some of the people that voted for emptyy
So random, no bases given and people voting for Emptyy are bad? Well we just got a rebel kill, isnt really that bad. Those were the people voting for Emptyy.
##Vote: Intrinsic
Just following Delling once again here
So other than this, no other contribution to the game at all. Other than just a random accusation against tronz and Chippen here or there. Obviously with this amount of info, it?s very hard to judge, but he?s either a rebel or just a completely useless imperial. Tough call. I am inclined to believe the former.
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##Unvote: Graxlos
##Vote: Blackwhale
well since he is using his blue role i see no reason to lynch him
blackwhale on the other hand hasnt contributed in any way shape or form his last post was his vote on instrikt with no explanation to why he voted for him
he would be useless if he was a ble or even a green
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Well there we go, Graxlos emerges as the second confirmed Imperial! Can't wait to see what Yoica was! This makes my vote a bit easier, and I'm gonna place it for now.
##Vote: Shankski
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Well there we go, Graxlos emerges as the second confirmed Imperial! Can't wait to see what Yoica was! This makes my vote a bit easier, and I'm gonna place it for now.
##Vote: Shankski
3rd confirmed :)
Kawe, Hugman, Grax
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Well there we go, Graxlos emerges as the second confirmed Imperial! Can't wait to see what Yoica was! This makes my vote a bit easier, and I'm gonna place it for now.
##Vote: Shankski
3rd confirmed :)
Kawe, Hugman, Grax
Nope. Hugman technically isn't a confirmed Imperial untill he dies and we see his role. There's still the off chance that the rebels poisoned one of their own. It's not a super likely scenario (at all), but it's still a possibility.
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##Unvote: Delling
##Vote: Shiftey
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As i might have trouble to get my vote out in time, so i will go with the hunch and slap out my vote for Blackwhale.
##Vote: Blackwhale
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Not sure what to make of this, but I believe a vote for Blackwhale is a vote towards a better spaceship(following Shiftey's logic, GOD FORBID!)... good shot on Dell btw, afraid it doesn't change many of my views on things.
Unvote: Delling
Vote: Blackwhale
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To save anyone undue thinking about his motives, I've asked Eetion to use Blackwhale as his placeholder vote for the time being.
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you fail at vote formatting, Vorte
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##Unvote: Delling
##Vote: Blackwhale
There, forgot the hashtags!
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Yoica the Rebel Droid has been shot
Sorry, don't have time for a proper post.
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GO TEAM! FOR THE EMPIRE!
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*flexes*
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In truth I have no idea on who to vote for atm.
Blackwhale might not be saying much but some people are also talking a lot. I for one will wait on yoica death note and make a vote after that.
Ohh there we go. Vote/reason Inc.
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this is a good day 2 i see
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Well tbh i dont have a much clearer view than before. The ones i was thinking was rebels was nor of the killed as far so I'm going to trust I'm kawe and many others view.
##Vote: Blackwhale
This is the right voting format? Doing it by phone as I'm in a beachhouse atm
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someone nice just texted me that I had to vote to avoid modkill.
also. HEADSHOT!!!
##Vote: Blackwhale
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losing a confirmed blue due to a modkill would be a massive blow to the ship
glad you voted
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Blackwhale is looking dodgey.
Don't jump to voting him yet, as I want more data from him.
CARE TO EXPLAIN YOURSELF BLACKWHALE?
Also incoming big post soon. You all need to be about to move votes before the lynch.
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someone nice just texted me that I had to vote to avoid modkill.
also. HEADSHOT!!!
##Vote: Blackwhale
Nice Headshot Graxlos:)! And No problem, wouldn't want to see you modkilled.
(http://www.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hon-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Flint-Beastwood.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hon-blog.com/hon-flint-beastwood-guide-build-strategy.htm&usg=__Mhy09mwKkQDuk7OFmg5s3TW4qtI=&h=183&w=300&sz=16&hl=da&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=W89S2vykb5CbIM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=185&ei=nYbqTcStJYvsOYrnyIMB&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dflint%2Bbeastwood%2Bheadshot%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dda%26biw%3D1259%26bih%3D766%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=103&page=1&ndsp=23&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0&tx=116&ty=52)
To save anyone undue thinking about his motives, I've asked Eetion to use Blackwhale as his placeholder vote for the time being.
As kawe said i have placed my vote on Blackwhale without much explaining behind - due to work and as of that i'm only able to follow the thread briefly. I will however try to follow as much so that if the Imperial forces needs my vote elsewhere i will be there to switch it.
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Very nice comeback Imperials keep up the steam, and them Rebels won't know whats hit 'em
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Down at the pub, watching the game! Using my cellphone for this, I hope I get it right! The shiftey speculations was far fetched, discussed it with kawe. I do love my longshots
Unvote: Shiftey
[bVote: Blackwhale][/b]
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Right. So two rebels dead within a short period. This is frikking excellent. Not only just the deaths, but the closeness, which allows us to compare their posting for similar support patterns, accusation patterns, and overly defensive patterns.
Now I am not as proficient as empty at linking earlier posts, while keeping the thread shortish. So what I am gonna do is list a short summary of the points in both Yoica's and Dell's posts, and then compare similarities in who they supported, defended, and accused (or implied who was rebel). If you want to see the specific posts from these two that i am referencing, this is how you do it. You take this thread, and switch to viewing it in "print" mode (top right) and then press "ctrl + F" which brings up a tab. Put in "posts by: yoica" exactly like that, and it highlights all of Yoica's posts, then just scroll down till you find the correct one i reference. The colors i use, are just to draw attention to similarities between dell and yoica.
First, Yoica:
[spoiler]
Yoica: 1st post: suggests either kawe or dell for Captain.
2nd post: suggests Vdti for Captain.
3rd post: nothing relevent
4th post: backs up the logic in supporting kawe for Captain
5th post: Defends Arches after I get vote for him early, based upon his stupidity.
The "logic" is "we know he is an idiot, so we should keep him in".
6th post: supports mouse for captain, votes for kesh to be lynched.
7th post: Thanks Empty for the data. Criticises Shiftey a bit. Reiterates that the best Captain choices are: Mouse, Vdti, Kawe and Shiftey.
8th post: gets defensive about shiftey claiming he is supporting delling (lol), reiterates that kawe is trustworthy.
9TH post: most of this post, just fogs stuff up, and then points fingers, no clear data/names.
10th post: backs up mouse's captaincy claim. Points out Empty got elected "too easy".
11th post: irrelivent.
12th post: irrelivent.
13th post: Accuses me, due to inactivity. Changes vote to me.
14th post: States i have new job, therefore his vote on me is wrong.
15TH post: unvotes me, votes kesh, as he was too silent after voting tronz.
16th post: defends empty.
17th post: defends dell, implies that kawe may not be legit (thats what i get from his disscussion on blues)
18th post: defends delling abit, defends empty, accuses shiftey heavily.
19th post: irrelivent.
20th post: "trusts" kawe, but refuses to tell him data.
21th post: Talks about a "inner circle, and it being bad" works hard to protect delling, and says taht using the day lynch on him would be silly, as we should just
wait to lynch him at night! (a idea echoed by chippen btw, after delling was killed by empty and proved as red!!!). Really dumb, as "waiting" to lynch a basically
known rebel, rather then just day lynch him, which would only just buy the rebels time to sway it away from dell, and delay the data we got from killing dell.
22th post: mainly is posting about the "dangers" of giving kawe, a known blue, data. Bad.
23th post: irrelivent.
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Now delling:
[spoiler]
Delling: 1st post:irellivent.
2nd post:defends kawe a bit.
3rd post: suggests himself for captain, says shiftey
would make a bad one.
4th irellivent.
5th irellivent.
6TH irellivent.
at this point i realise dell has like 456456 posts, and 456448 of them are irrelivent to this comparison, so i am just gonna list the ones i find relevent. I will keep
them in some sort of chronological order though.This will make it harder to scroll to the exact one, I am sorry. Blame dell, he runs his mouth when he is planning to
stab you in the back with poison.
"True... and Kawe could be using the fact that no one would believe he's Maffia/Rebel two games in a row..." points at kawe.
Accuses chippen.
"I don't think I've even said Yoica's name yet, have I? He only just made his first post!" Gets defensive about kesh pointing that him and yoica are close.
"I don't get this -- when did I defend Yoica?" Again.
worries about kawe being Captain, suggests a "puppet".
Supports vdti.
Suggests himself or vdti.
"I wouldn't be opposed to Mouse being captain(ess), either." Suggests mouse for captain.
Suggests Hugman and Shiftey have some logic in going for a lynch on kawe/arches.
Points out again arch would be good to lynch.
"omgaaaa, Archz is one of those... special-when-dead roles!" suggests arches is "A SPECIAL GREEN" and implies it would be bad to lynch him.#
Votes for Arches, suggests again mouse would be good for captain.
Supports shiftey a bit (likely to help spread confusion)
Blurs the kesh/kawe is guilty line a bit.
Suggests kesh or arch for lynching.
defends mouse.
votes for kawe, supports himself.
supports mouse a bit.
switches to empty for captain.
"If I had to cast my own independent vote, I would vote for Ino, Tronz or Intrinsic, because they've been almost completely useless." introduces these 3 as possible
lynches.
defends mouse and empty.
At this point he starts to get very defensive.
accuses intrinsic implying he is either useless, or rebel, also implies tronz
more implying intrinsic is useless.
now implies tronz is innocent.
imlies that he didnt "frame intrinsic" and that Tyler pushed him into it.
from this point on, all his posts are either: accusing shiftey or eetion, and spending a lot of time defending himself.
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Urgh. That was messy as fuck, but it was 500% harder for me to make it than you read it.
My basic conclusions are these:
Both Delling and Yoica did various things the same:
1. The both got defensive when they were accused of being close.
2. Both spent a bit of time, either defending mouse, or pushing her forward for captaincy.
3. Also spend some time pushing Empty for Captaincy, and keeping him alive once he was (either because he is rebel, or because he was easy to manipulate, as a captain [imo the latter])
4. Both of them defended Archz, when I went for the early lynch on him. One used the logic "he is an idiot, therefore not rebel, keep him in" and the other used "he is likely to be special green, keep him in".
5. Both of them spent some time accusing shiftey/ridiculing his posts.
I draw from this, these conclusions:
1. Mouse is likely rebel.
2. Empty is either rebel, or worth them keeping in, to help green lynch.
3. Shiftey is very likely green.
4. Archz is very likely rebel.
Now i was running out of time, to do this post, and I fucked up a bit on the presentation, so it doesn't really communicate as well as i would have liked. But the basic idea is, they were both rebels, and they both did certain actions with a similar goal. It may be easier for you to look back at their posts, youself, and come to your own conclusions, and i recommend you do so. I don't have much time left, and this is the best i could do with this little time.
TL DR:
Both Yoica and Dell were rebels. Both of them in some way or another supported, or defended:
Arch.
Mouse.
Empty.
and attacked Shiftey.
Imo the former are likely reds, and the latter is very likely green.
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Whore this touchscreen is not easy to handle with a few pinys in me
Vote: Blackwhale
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Nice job hug awesome colours too =D
Haven't trusted Emptyy from the start something seems dodgey about how he was elected captain. Hence:
##Vote: Emptyy
arch you missed the hashes you nab
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I don't really see your logic there, huggie. Can't be sure about yoica but delling certainly didn't defend me? :-P wasn't it more like "he's an idiot, let's kill him"? And you bring out about the others that they were very defensive? Do I fit that description? :-P
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Shoot: Mouseh
Badass line: It's time to kickass and chew bubble gum im all out of gum!
(if i'm wrong sorry)
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##Shoot: Mouseh
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I don't really see your logic there, huggie. Can't be sure about yoica but delling certainly didn't defend me? :-P wasn't it more like "he's an idiot, let's kill him"? And you bring out about the others that they were very defensive? Do I fit that description? :-P
Yeah he did that archz, AT FIRST.
Then, you "gave up" and then he IMPLIED that you were a special green.
And suddenly the heat was off you, and you shut up, and have shut up since.
Reeks of a rebel barely saved, and then told to shut up by rebel concil
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Mouseh the Rebel Assassin has been killed
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FUCK YEAH SEAKING!
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You really should have killed me night 1.
Poison is too slow.
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OH WOW
OH WOW THIS IS A GLORIOUS DAY FOR THE EMPIRE
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Eheheh!
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And look at that, people told me she wasnt a rebel, was convinced of it even earlier than with Delling :P
FOR THE EMPIRE!!!!
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Well that one I did not see coming! Well at this rate I can't blame the others for following you, but I still think we can do better :-P
and special green? I'm sure he said special when dead and that he were mocking :-P
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Shoot: Mouseh
Badass line: It's time to kickass and chew bubble gum im all out of gum!
(if i'm wrong sorry)
HEEEADSHOOT!
Imperials on a Killing Spree!!
insanely nice post aswell hugman, its Lovely being at work seeing that the Imperials are pwning them Rebels :D!
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Whore this touchscreen is not easy to handle with a few pinys in me
Vote: Blackwhale
Btw Arch you still havnt got your vote Correct
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So who the fuck do we pick for the nighttime lynch now? Do we follow Hugmans post (meaning Archz or Emptyy) or do we stick to Shankski because of his dodgy answers on who he's told his role to? Or do we stick to Blackwhale just on the basis that he's being silent?
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Need to talk about it, if we get this right we could be down to just two rebels left as we head into night two!
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Carp the fucking squares
##Unvote: Shiftey
##Vote: Blackwhale
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2 rebels would mean only 1 night time kill too which would be awesome
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Well that one I did not see coming! Well at this rate I can't blame the others for following you, but I still think we can do better :-P
and special green? I'm sure he said special when dead and that he were mocking :-P
am i the only one that finds this post realy confusing?
we killed 3 rebels in 1 day 3!! i dont think we can do much better
this just makes me confused and rather suspicious of you
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Apperently the bot doesnt recognize my vote so lets try again
##Unvote: Delling
##Vote: Blackwhale
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Starbrow, Blackwhale is also a good target imo, he twice claimed that Mouseh is imperial and that's why he supports her for captain. I think I am gonna vote switch now. He also followed Delling's votes and supports on day 1.
So that's why I think Blackwhale is a good target as well, but his lack of posts makes it very hard to accurately assess that.
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This will probably be the last post of today btw. At the pub doing some heavy drinking. Heavier if norway fucking lose this match?!!
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Right we are discussing lynch targets:
Shiftey has put forth:
Blackwhale
I suggest:
Archz
Empty is also a good candidate.
We are discussing it atm.
We have a lot of data.
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##Vote: Chippen
Obvious rebel!
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##Vote: Chippen
Obvious rebel!
care to explain?
care to explain your lack of posts
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##Vote: Blackwhale
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Just saying this may be a placeholder vote
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Imma gonna go ahead and switch my vote just to make sure the false accusations gets their just punishment
##Unvote: Emptyy
##Vote: Blackwhale
I'm still highly suspucious of Emptyy tho
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What a day! Things have shifted a lot for the better since the morning of day 2.
Kudos to Hugman for a post with raw and neutral data.
I see how look me and Archz look guilty, and there's found reason to lynch us next. However, I think you only were right on 1 out of 3. Archz is not acting the way he would if he was mafia. I know him well, and I believe I'd see through his play.
Atm, I'm a little uncertain on who to vote for, so I'll go for Blackwhale as the arguments towards him sounds sound.
Unvote: Delling
Vote: Blackwhale
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##Unvote: Delling
##Vote: Blackwhale
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##Unvote: Shankski
##Vote: Blackwhale
I can refer you back to my post about him...
*Crosses fingers*
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It is on!
##Vote: Blackwhale
##Accuse: Blackwhale
LETS GO FOR
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##Unvote: Shankski
##Vote: Blackwhale
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oh Starbrow you card
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COCK FUCKING GOD DAMNIT
##Unvote: Shankski
##Vote: Blackwhale
Y ME SO RTARDZ???????????????+++++
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Blah! I'm at a party right now and missed fucking loads its seems.
##Vote: Blackwhale
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FORMAT SINT
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##vote: Blackwhale
One of these days...
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you know this way you might get your post count past 200
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spam
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##Night
They found him sleeping in his cell... mid-shift. Blackwhale was known as the lazy one around the Star Destroyer, hardly ever doing much and keeping to himself alot.
Blackwhale didn't say a word when they opened his cell, and didn't flinch as they drew their blasters and shot him in his bed.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GI9ivLmfksM/SVbTdC9wqwI/AAAAAAAAACs/MX1NiCqxHBc/s320/ROTF+E6+Reference+-+00hr+04min+03sec.JPG)
But lazy people rarely get themselves involved in rebellions.
Private Blackwhale has been killed
It is now night, please send in your night actions before 23:59 Sunday
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Yet again a useless person goes down with no defence.
Fucking Blackwhale
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I apologize for this, this is my screw up, this is my fail.
Still a very successful day 2.
Congratulations to everyone involved.
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Yet again a useless person goes down with no defence.
Fucking Blackwhale
Indeed it is very sad that he didn't speak up.. If your Imperial you shouldn't have anything to hide. Still a very rewarding day 2 with 3/6 Rebels gunned down!
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so I'm finally back home. very interesting day. thanks to kawe for convincing me to kill Yoica the evil rebel. now we all have to look back on the known rebels former actions. I will make my own theories known shortly before dawn.
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may have had a few too many tonight and i've no idea why i'm on the forums at 3:30 but all i can say is
FUCKING YES!
Awesome going folks, shame about blackwhale and he didn't get to speak up but that's just how it goes!
Well done!
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Day 2 voting in the attachement
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So I was going over the whole thing of who knew about TTaM and when and who lied about it. And then suddenly something didn't fit. I spotted another case of time travel. (Just like previously with Delling)
Anyway, here are the facts:
On June 01, 2011, 06:10:18 PM he says: (that's 6 hours before the lynch vote on third evening)
I voted for TTaM because I thought (and think) voting Kawe is a bit high risk so early. Now that Kawe seems safe for another day, I will reconsider and probably change my vote this evening.
On June 01, 2011, 09:37:42 PM he then proceeds: ( that is 2 and half hours before the lynch vote, bandwagon much?)
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Intrinsic
On June 02, 2011, 02:35:01 PM he explains: (This is during the night 1)
My vote was on at that time on TTaM, due to trying to keep Kawe alive
So far so good, nothing incriminating at this point at all. What follows though doesnt make sense.
On June 02, 2011, 11:26:11 PM he says the following: (that is just before the dawn of day 2)
TTaM confined in me that he was a cop, which also was a major reason to why I changed my vote away from him on the first evening
Check above though, he didnt change his vote from TTaM when TTaM told him he was a cop. He stayed on him until the end and then switched (and TTaM then died during the night?).
Here I proceeded to check my log with TTaM to find exact day and time when TTaM told me he told Emptyy. That happened on tuesday May 31 at 19:20 CEST (that's 18:20 forum time). Keep this information in mind, that is the second evening of the game. Because then Emptyy says:
On June 03, 2011, 03:56:36 PM:
TTaM told me about Shiftey and being a cop @ about 17 yesterday.
That means he claims that at 17 PM during the night 1, TTaM told him he was a cop. He also claims he switched from TTaM due to him telling him he was a cop, but how could he have switched, it was the night. He also claims that he was told before in previous posts but in the last one the time doesnt fit. And the time doesnt fit with what TTaM told me either.
This needs some explanation...
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Here I proceeded to check my log with TTaM to find exact day and time when TTaM told me he told Emptyy. That happened on tuesday May 31 at 19:20 CEST (that's 18:20 forum time). Keep this information in mind, that is the second evening of the game. Because then Emptyy says:
On June 03, 2011, 03:56:36 PM:
TTaM told me about Shiftey and being a cop @ about 17 yesterday.
That means he claims that at 17 PM during the night 1, TTaM told him he was a cop. He also claims he switched from TTaM due to him telling him he was a cop, but how could he have switched, it was the night. He also claims that he was told before in previous posts but in the last one the time doesnt fit. And the time doesnt fit with what TTaM told me either.
This needs some explanation...
That was a typo of me. TTaM told me about you @ about 17 on June 1st, not 2nd as I said.
You claim he told you that he told me on May 31st, which I question. Recheck your logs.
At the time Tronz had more votes than Intrinsic, but I thought slaying Tronz was a worse idea than lynching Intrinsic, due to the fact that Tronz defended himself well. Check Starbrows voting spreadsheet.
TTaM confined in me that he was a cop, which also was a major reason to why I changed my vote away from him on the first evening
Check above though, he didnt change his vote from TTaM when TTaM told him he was a cop. He stayed on him until the end and then switched (and TTaM then died during the night?).
I did unvote TTaM when he told me he was a cop. He told me about 17 o'clock on June 1st, about 1 hour before I posted my change.
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I did unvote TTaM when he told me he was a cop. He told me about 17 o'clock on June 1st, about 1 hour before I posted my change.
No apparently I didn't. I did however (as you say, Shiftey) post at 18 that I would reconsider and change my vote later on.
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In that case that would make more sense yes. I actually believe you because nothing else about you would even remotely suggest you being a rebel :P I should look at the confirmed rebels and see what I find.
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TTaM told me about you @ about 17 on June 1st, not 2nd as I said.
Another typo. TTaM told me about being a cop @ about 17 on June 1st.
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Fukkn Emptyy!
Sorry about my absence. Checked the forum once on my phone, but there was an awful lot of activity to trawl through :P
But yeah, sorry about my lies and stuff. Felt like a total wanker. Don't think I'm cut out to be a rebel :(
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fkkn. fieldtrip im on the ferry and it turns out we are going to be living in tents so I won't have electricity on a regular basis.
So my participation will depend on the next time I find a power socket. will try to save power for now. Sorry.
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Message from Palmar: Night actions results post will be a little late due to urgent HoN
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(http://i56.tinypic.com/2q3oh90.jpg)
Hugman opened his eyes.
His vision was blurry and faint at the edges. He looked around the small room on the medical deck at the faces of the people around him, but found he couldn't focus. The poison had ravaged his body, and dulled his senses, and it left him struggling to identify the people at his bedside.
"K..Kawe.. Where is Kawe?" asked Hugman. His voice little more than a dry hoarse whisper.
"I am here" replied Kawe, standing at the foot of the bed.
"We....we got them... the bastards that did this to me?" whispered Hugman.
"Yes, the Rebel Traitor Delling was blasted to pieces by our glorious Stormtroopers, and his accomplices suffered similar fates. Their bodies were hurled into the vacuum of space, like the trash they are." replied Kawe.
"But there will be more... others.. of their kind. They will hide... among our brothers, like the vermin they are. You...you must drive them out... out into the open, with fire...and pain.... Their words will seal their fate... Watch the... quiet ones... you...you must break them..." forced out Hugman, clearly struggling to form the words, as his lungs gave out.
"Kawe... come... closer...Kawe" said Hugman.
Kawe leaned in towards his dying comrade.
"A....Ar...Archz....he....he...must die... he... is....not a true...soldier...of the Empire..." gasped Hugman, barely audible even to Kawe.
And with that, Private Hugman left the Star Destroyer.
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##Day
woke up got out of bed
dragged a comb across my head
found my way downstairs and drank a cup
and looking up i noticed i was late
found my coat and grabbed my hat
made the bus in secounds flat
found my way upstairs and had a smoke
and somebody spoke and i went into a dream
(http://www.dullneon.com/random-notes/images-videos-and-other-content/2008/10/stormtrooper_beatles_pose.png)+
And people were dead.
Private Hugman succumbed to the poison
Starbrow the Imperial Jailor has been killed
Stormtrooper Veilas has been killed
It is now day 3. It will end 00:30 Wednesday, pushed back by 30 minutes to give the raiders a chance to talk just before the day ends.
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You cowardly sons of bitches.
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Was Starbrow a lucky kill or did he give himself away?
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According to Kawe, it must've been luck apparently :(
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Imperial Fleet Private ET reporting in:
So after this night, we are cripled quite alot seing that they sniped Starbrow who was our jailor..
So i went through some things about who i think might have some sort of suspicioussness over them or had shown something.
I've looked upon Vdti as a start, with the general look as him being part of the Rebels. I've found quotes and pointed out interesting parts with Orange and I've written some of my own thoughts in Pink
As ive done this in a word-doc i wasn't really able to get all quotation boxes with, but i hope people can look through that and accept that i havn't edited anything in the quotes.
All the quotes are chronological until the part where i withdraw a bit from of quotes from Yoica.
Vdti Suspiciousness:
Quotes from Vdti
1st
Well, seems like this thread is picking up nicely. Being at work, I cannot be as active during the day as many of you.
Reading through today's posts, I have to agree that putting pressure on people in the beginning is what gets the game going, but I still have an ugly gut feeling about Kawe, Delling and ET. Haven't really got anything solid to base it on, might just be early aggression that makes them stand out a bit.
As for the captain role, I'm a private my self, and therefore I will be running, as long as I can have a jailer to protect me from assassination. The more privates we can get into to the race for captain, the lower the possibility of a rebel captain becomes.
So here we go, Vdti for captain!
##Support: Vdti
My suspiciousness mainly comes from the last bit where he encourage all the Imperial Privates, or many of them to run for captain. I clearly see this is so that they could get an view of who might be possible blues and who is the stupid greens.
2nd
In light of the resent posts here, I'm going to have to vote for TTaM as well. The posts against him are the most thorough here, and have convinced me so far.
##Vote: TTaM
As for my candidacy for captain, I'm still retaining my position, even though TTaM is one of my supporters. For all we know, he (and other rebels) might want to gain trust by voting in someone from the imperial guard and take advantage of that later on.
Presents forth this kind of theory that Rebels might try to gain trust by voting for ?imperials? for captain.
3rd
In response to delling here, speaking up now as a blue is probably not the best idea. There's still 49 hours left until the lynching, so a blue looking at the possibility of being lynched should try to get out of it another way and only reveal him self if there's no other way out of it.
Dellings post
True enough.
I think I still need to get into the swing of how this game is played.
But yeah, I can't see us being significantly weakened by losing either Archz or Kesh -- as long as they're not blues, anyway.
(Incidentally, if either of you are blues, you should probably speak up now?)
It seems like they are trying to lure Archz or Kesh to reveal their roles or doing something quick to get out of the ?bad spotlight? they were in, so that they could try and judge the importantness of their possible roles from the reactions maybe. Again, looking for blues.
4th
That's a pretty decent post Starbrow, especially the spreadsheet.
I've been pretty busy at work today, and I've been catching up on the posts made just now.
When it comes to the captain I don't think either mouseh or emptyy is a bad choice. I feel both of them have shed some light on the entire situation and I don't think any of them are rebels[/color]. As for my self, I'm not really that eager to be the captain, and won't try to swing the votes in my favor. I simply think I'm not decisive enough to have that role. So far I have a hard time pointing out any obvious rebel and don't really have time to overanalyze the posts done here.
Now, for the lynch votes, I've seen both Kawe and TTaM as suspicious for most of the game, but as I've thought about it for a while, it starts to look like maybe none of them are rebels. They're both pretty aggressive in their accusations and defense points, but I think that is partially due to them firing each other up. One point is certain, if none of them are rebels, the rebels them selves is in a dream situation as this issue seems to be splitting the empire.
My current vote is still for TTaM, as I don't really see a good target for lynching. Hopefully the discussion tomorrow after the captain has been elected can reveal some more details.
Trying to promote Mouseh and Emptyy as Captains, specially the Mouseh thing can be suspicious as she is now confirmed Rebel.
Now the Lynch part, is something I can?t really explain well enough myself I think, its just this whole ?it doesn?t look like they are Rebels, yet still casting some doubts around the splitting Imperials minds in two camps, trying to maybe gain some trust himself
5th
I'm going to go with a gut feeling here and support Emptyy as well, as much as I think Mouseh is imperial.
##Unsupport: Vdti
##Support: Emptyy
6th JUNE 01!
I'm going to have to go with my previous assessment that neither TTaM nor Kawe are rebels. With the current situation, that leaves me with the quitet and non-contributing ones. I was leaning towards tronz, but after his last posts he's gained a tad more credability. Not much though.
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Intrinsic
My first big note is for people to see this post is from June 1 (gets important in in my next part.)
He joins the Dellwagon onto Intrinsic votes after some vague stuff about tronz and not really giving much else reason than that
7th JUNE 04!
I've been away for a day now, so I had to use so time to catch up, this thread is really growing fast.
Here are some takes on some of the people.
Kawe: Definitely imperial. The evidence has already been presented, no reason to repeat this. However, I would like to add that everyone who do not want to talk to him in private should be our targets. The only people who would not want to reveal their role to a known imperial, are mafia. I suggest everyone to talk to him in private on IRC or through forum PMs.
Delling: He seems to have hidden quite a few secrets and is somewhat inconsistent in the TTaM/Shiftey/Emptyy think, but he comes forward as a martyr and as nobody else have, he probably telling the truth. This could best be confirmed by Kawe after he's talked to everyone.
Yoica: Seems somewhat unwilling to talk to kawe, but I don't think he's a rebel. He did defend TTaM during day 1. I haven't checked if this was after or before he had the most votes for a while, so I'm not going 100% on this one. Yoica: Talk to kawe to clear things up.
shankski: He really don't want to talk to kawe, claiming he doesn't trust him, even after all the evidence has been presented. Number one lynch target in my book.
Other:
Kawe already listed a list of people who he wanted to talk to and as long as they do not talk to him, they are all acting suspicious. I just talked to Kawe on IRC, and he can confirm this, and I really suggest everyone to do the same.
As for why I haven't voted yet, I've already explained that I had to catch up. I'm going to give my vote for shankski for the reasons I've explained, but I'm willing to follow Kawe's vote as he is definitely the one with the most information.
##Vote: shankski
This is where the June 1 gets interesting. This is Vdti?s next post, after the last he did on June 1, He says Delling is probably telling the truth, while still the Votes for him are rumbling in and more and more stuff gets forth about Delling. He throws a more less neutral vote onto shankski, maybe trying to start a bandwagon on to him to safe the skin of Delling (I know it was doubtful to work, but could have been a possibility)
8th
Quote from: Yoica on June 04, 2011, 11:50:04 AM
I never defended TTaM as Shiftey pointed. I thought he was guiltly. This logic about talk to Kawe or else is retarded. I've given my reasons. It isn't just Kawe you are giving your name and role to it's his inner circle. While I agree Kawe is imperial I don't hold the same opinion of others.
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I went back and looked, and it seems I'm mistaken for that. Sorry about it, must have confused you with someone else.
As when it comes to kawe giving our roles out to other players, all I can say is that I hope he uses the information we give him carefully, but I do believe he will use it wisely.
I have to say I'm very curious to see how the lynch of Delling went, but it doesn't really teach us anything if he was imperial. He claimed to a martyr, so if he's not either our martyr hasn't spoken up to incriminate him or we don't have one at all.
I just find this rather odd, that he?s been somewhat implying that Lynching Delling would give no info, should he not have been a Rebel.
9th
Just noticed the bot differentiates between shankski and Shankski, so just revoting:
##Unvote: shankski
##Vote: Shankski
As for delling being a rebel, I'm a bit surprised that our martyr didn't speak up when delling claimed to be one. (If we have one).
He is only Surprised about Delling situation, and doesn?t really contribute towards the clues we actually got from it.
He havn?t posted ANYTHING after we have killed 2 more Rebels. Clearly a sign of some sort of panic-mode in the Rebel camp in my opinion.
Quote from Yoica:
No offense, but the jail the captain idea should be one of those common knowledge things everyone assumes to happen. What would be point of giving someone 2 votes and big fat Bullseye on his forehead w/o any protection...
Having said I like the calm nature of Vdti's post so he definitely moved into picture for my vote.
@TTaM, Read what you want into my 1st post, but I took a stand and got others to start actively discussing the vote for captaincy. At that time those were the best candidates, because all the others that showed interest were a bit too hotheaded for me.
OT: Am I blind but I don't see any differences in your formatting between your vote posts, Shiftey.
Well well we've seen some quality posts since last night. Thanks Emptyy for that great summary!
@Shiftey, your logic is sound, but you could easily swap TTaM <-> Kawe (or a number of other players) in your post and still get a truthful post. You are reasonably fast to switch purely based on a post where TTaM (by your own admission) posts what you've already said.
Your post about captain candidates being dismissed as laughable by some people is odd. With the exception of yourself the candidates that are putting any kind of effort into it are getting the votes and all the other players that put themselves forward as candidates aren't really taking any actions/positions to warrant a vote. As I see it there are 4 candidates worth voting for due to the their involvement (good or bad) in the game; Kawe, Vdti, Mouseh and yourself.
Looking purely at posts Kawe and you make detailed analysis's of what is happening and formulate your posts excellently, making it very easy to subtly steer people in certain directions. Making both of you high-risk choices, because either we hit the jackpot and gain a great captain or we basically give the rebels a win.
Vdti and Mouseh don't post a lot, but when they do post it shows they have a concept of what is happening and aren't easily swayed by what others say. Making them the safer choice.
My only problem with Vdti is that TTaM was a little too pro-active in pushing Vdti forward which makes me suspicious, considering I have TTaM on the top of my rebel list. Hence my vote goes to Mouseh
In my theory, of Vdti being a rebel, I see this as an act of Vdti captaincy going nowhere -> Tries to swap people over onto Mouseh and still not saying that people should necessarily unvote for Vdti, so that there would be possible two Rebel choices. It might be a small lead, but I think there is some good views for it to be this way.
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Sorry if it's hard to read the pink, just wanted something that was easy to seperate :)
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Woah, that is one long post Eetion.
I'll try my best to respond to all your points, but I'm at work so I'll have to get to it when I'm done here.
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Sorry if it's hard to read the pink, just wanted something that was easy to seperate :)
Try red, or blue.. just.. not pink :P
Sucks about the jailor, but we're massively outnumbering the rebels still, this should be relatively smooth sailing!
Shiftey asked me yesterday about who I suspected of being rebels, and I gave him three names I thought I'd share with the lot of you aswell. Shankski, Emptyy and Chippen. They might all be playing a very odd game that I don't understand, but they are as previously mentioned, my main suspicions. Shankski and Chipp for their way of posting(as several of you have pointed out before, no need for a wall of text with someone elses wall of text of quotes) and Emptyy for his slight allegiance to Dellong.
Sun is shining, heading out for a couple o' hours!
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Vorte in my defence I'm fully aware I've not done well this game. I expected to get lynched when/ instead of Blackwhale and I'm actually quite surprised to be alive. I am not a Rebel and I hope I can change peoples minds about me.
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That sure was an eventful Saturday. Kudos to Kawe for some great detective work. I think I was wrong about how useful him proving himself imperial would be. We are 13-3 atm right?
It?s a good job I?m not afraid to be wrong. I had Yoica about 5th on my suspect list and Mouseh somewhere mid table. More kudos to Shiftey for picking up on Mouseh so early. I wanted to vote for her as captain... As for Grax, sorry man. I guess I have some in built anti-Dane prejudice.
The next lynch is crucial. If we get a rebel they go down to one kill per night. I share some Eet's concerns over Vdti (you know you can copy pasta quote tags into word right Eet), but I don?t think he is my prime suspect. That is going to have to wait until this evening for me to explain though as I am short on time today.
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As kawe just said there has been a marked decrease in posts since the start of the last night.
Plently of peeps still alive, so not sure why this is.
Et, nice post, didnt have time to read it properlly... its one hell of a text wall and i'm quite busy today xD But it seems there is an argument for vdti being rebel.
My gut is still telling me that chippen is being weird, he also hasnt posted at all really in the last 2 days.
Will do some investigating of my own later.
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Sorry, forgot to mention that kawe said the thing about fewer posts on IRC, not in the thread here.
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If any of those alive have any information, like PM logs with other players, being hit by night actions of any kind, all that, would you please come forward with it? Or if you've spotted anything in someone's post...
Just want to say 'what the hell?' At how we have 16 left alive, 13, innocent, and basically none posting. We have three dead rebels, and thus the posts here are pretty much the biggest datamine you could hope for, along with if you PM people too, or post questions here.
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Yea, the lack of posting is what is gonna take us down in the long run..
If i'm not mistaken that was the problem for the town in the last game?..
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I am gonna add whatever I've gathered on Vdti.
Since I was pasting this into a document from print view and it's a lot of quotes, the time I would have spent on searching for the links for proper quotes could as well be spend on studying for my exams. I did not change the quotes or even correct them in any way, they are all marked with date and time.
My commentary is gonna be in green colour, so you can see it clearly. I will mark the confirmed rebels as red.
Post by: Vdti on May 29, 2011, 11:24:53 PM
It would be wise for blues (except for stormtroopers) to not run for captain, as their night time abilities would be useless then.
- He?s suggesting that blues do not run. In a later post which I will quote as well, he suggest as many privates as possible should run for captain. That would mean that blues would get immediately revealed and isn?t that exactly what rebels want?
Post by: Vdti on May 30, 2011, 01:39:05 PM
As for the captain role, I'm a private my self, and therefore I will be running, as long as I can have a jailer to protect me from assassination. The more privates we can get into to the race for captain, the lower the possibility of a rebel captain becomes.
So here we go, Vdti for captain!
##Support: Vdti
- And this is the post where he suggests that privates run for captain therefore revealing all the blues who shouldn?t according to his first post. He also announces his candidacy for Captain.
Post by: Vdti on May 30, 2011, 07:50:57 PM
As for me for captain, the only reason I joined the race was to avoid a rebel being elected. I was weary of Kawe in the beginning as he was getting some of the votes, but I'm most definitely not sure of anything at this point, nobody can be. I simply feel that voting for Kawe is too much of a gamble at this point, simply because I know he played a really good last game. :P
Now, if Kawe is an imperial private, I honestly believe he would be a great captain, probably better than me, but I'm not sure it's worth the risk of swinging the balance so much on the first day.
As for Mouseh, if I remember correctly, it was Kawe that suggested her in the first place, so that automatically makes me a bit skeptic of her as well, even though she's said a lot of good stuff.
- Anyone could say he ran to avoid a rebel captain, but we almost got a rebel captain elected anyway (maybe we even did, who knows about Emptyy). Refering to last game about Kawe outplaying us all as basis for not wanting him is not very strong argument in my book, but fair point, there was a chance. About Mouseh, he says Kawe suggested her first, but it was in fact it was Tyler, says he?s skeptical, but also she?s said a lot of good stuff. Therefore being very neutral, jumping to no conclusion (as a rebel would do?)
Post by: Vdti on May 30, 2011, 09:21:38 PM
##Vote: TTaM
As for my candidacy for captain, I'm still retaining my position, even though TTaM is one of my supporters. For all we know, he (and other rebels) might want to gain trust by voting in someone from the imperial guard and take advantage of that later on.
- He votes for TTaM, who?s our cop. And the idea that rebels would want to gain trust by electing imperial captain. How would we know he was imperial captain? How would we then know someone gained trust by this? And how did he know TTaM was a "rebel"? This is a washy argument.
Post by: Vdti on May 31, 2011, 06:44:13 PM
When it comes to the captain I don't think either mouseh or emptyy is a bad choice. I feel both of them have shed some light on the entire situation and I don't think any of them are rebels.
- So, now he?s not against Mouseh anymore, he was a little bit suspicious against her before, he?s not anymore. And Emptyy was not a bad choice to mention because his post put Mouseh in a ?green zone?. But he thinks none of them are rebels.
Now, for the lynch votes, I've seen both Kawe and TTaM as suspicious for most of the game, but as I've thought about it for a while, it starts to look like maybe none of them are rebels.
My current vote is still for TTaM, as I don't really see a good target for lynching. Hopefully the discussion tomorrow after the captain has been elected can reveal some more details.
- So he says that Kawe and TTaM are not rebels in his opinion and votes for TTaM? And waiting for captain election to reveal more details? I am not aware it would and I am not aware it did.
Post by: Vdti on May 31, 2011, 09:16:13 PM
I'm going to go with a gut feeling here and support Emptyy as well, as much as I think Mouseh is imperial.
##Unsupport: Vdti
##Support: Emptyy
- Very clever, saying Mouseh is imperial, but rather supporting Emptyy. Mouseh was already supported by Yoica and Delling, perhaps too many rebels voting for same person
Post by: Vdti on June 01, 2011, 08:50:21 PM
I'm going to have to go with my previous assessment that neither TTaM nor Kawe are rebels. With the current situation, that leaves me with the quitet and non-contributing ones. I was leaning towards tronz, but after his last posts he's gained a tad more credability. Not much though.
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Intrinsic
- Switches from TTaM to Intrinsic, but he was leaning towards Tronz. Tronz was voted on and supported as a lynch target by the confirmed rebels Delling, Yoica and Mouseh . Intrinsic being quite is a good target for rebels to lynch, cause we gained absolutely nothing out of that. Leaning towards Tronz is quite important too, as he was suspected by the mafia of being a blue.
Post by: Vdti on June 04, 2011, 11:04:20 AM
Yoica: Seems somewhat unwilling to talk to kawe, but I don't think he's a rebel. He did defend TTaM during day 1. I haven't checked if this was after or before he had the most votes for a while, so I'm not going 100% on this one. Yoica: Talk to kawe to clear things up.
shankski: He really don't want to talk to kawe, claiming he doesn't trust him, even after all the evidence has been presented. Number one lynch target in my book.
##Vote: shankski
- He defends Yoica for not roleclaiming to Kawe and sure enough Yoica is discovered as a rebel. Also, Yoica never did defend TTaM and I pointed that one out already. This in itself could mean Vdti is a rebel. And then right after he slams Shankski for not talking to Kawe and how that is reason for a lynch. Double standard right there. That?s a direct hard contradiction within the same post. This is very weird and could well clear Shankski. (Because he?s suspicious as fuck)
Post by: Vdti on June 04, 2011, 02:02:33 PM
I have to say I'm very curious to see how the lynch of Delling went, but it doesn't really teach us anything if he was imperial. He claimed to a martyr, so if he's not either our martyr hasn't spoken up to incriminate him or we don't have one at all.
- Defends Delling, nothing else to say here, defends another rebel again
Out of all this, I have to say Vdti is looking well enough like a good target for a lynch to me. Can I have some thoughts from other imperials?
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I think the posting has mainly dried up due to the fact we have lost our blues that can track and investigate. This results in no real fresh info coming in. I think the Rebels are keeping pretty quiet atm as we have already killed 50% and they dont want to draw attention to themselves.
Currently I'm torn between 2 people Emptyy and Vdti, they were both supported by Rebels to run for captain.
From the late Hugman's awesome post it shows that both Dell and Yoica defended Emptyy more than once. Just did a quick scan through the thread and Mouseh supports Emptyy too (not for captain).
In light of this I'm going to get the ball rolling again by voting for:
##Vote: Emptyy
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Did it not occur to you that we never had any cop or tracker info to begin with, Shanks, and that three rebels are dead anyway?
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Of course, but at this stage investigation and tracking can give a lot of important information. Without them we are at the same point as day 1 by being only able to go on suspicions.
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Look Shankski, we've successfully killed 3 Rebels by the solo fact that we put together some missing pieces of a puzzle and gain a, lets say, 85% finished view of who was very good targets for our blue Day time abilities. I don't see whow you can say we are at the stage of Day 1.. We have alot more posts to do with..
The only thing that is gonna set us behind is if the remaining imperials doesn't begin to contribute with something.. at this point we are lacking serious amounts of posts from many people.. and lack on posts at this point in the game is ONLY helping the Rebels to stay silent.
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Eetion, I'm not doubting how well we have done. I'm just accounting for the lack of posts. Ofc we can and have looked at who was Rebel who voted for who, who supported who and who defended who. I was purely comparing the amount of new information coming in is similar to day 1.
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##Vote: Vdti
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Im gonna go with it aswell,
##Vote: Vdti
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very nice post shiftey! If we're right with vdti it brings up some interesting questions about Emptyy too.
##Vote: Vdti
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Been a bit busy with work, sorry.
Nice post Shiftey surely makes some sense to me, surely makes him suspicious, i am still a bit torn between shankski also. Need to read some before i make a decision.
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I see Shiftey has posted a summary against me as well, but I will answer Eet's post first, as he posted first.
As for the captain role, I'm a private my self, and therefore I will be running, as long as I can have a jailer to protect me from assassination. The more privates we can get into to the race for captain, the lower the possibility of a rebel captain becomes.
So here we go, Vdti for captain!
##Support: Vdti
My suspiciousness mainly comes from the last bit where he encourage all the Imperial Privates, or many of them to run for captain. I clearly see this is so that they could get an view of who might be possible blues and who is the stupid greens.
This is actually a very good point, that I hadn't thought of my self, and I can see how this would in fact be bad. My intention behind this was to get more imperial candidates than rebel ones, so we would increase the statistical probability that one of us would be elected. This was/is by far not fool-proof thought though, as you've already pointed out.
As for my candidacy for captain, I'm still retaining my position, even though TTaM is one of my supporters. For all we know, he (and other rebels) might want to gain trust by voting in someone from the imperial guard and take advantage of that later on.
Presents forth this kind of theory that Rebels might try to gain trust by voting for ?imperials? for captain.
That is correct, this was a real concern on my part, and we can see early that the support vote from delling for me gained him some trust in my book.
In response to delling here, speaking up now as a blue is probably not the best idea. There's still 49 hours left until the lynching, so a blue looking at the possibility of being lynched should try to get out of it another way and only reveal him self if there's no other way out of it.
It seems like they are trying to lure Archz or Kesh to reveal their roles or doing something quick to get out of the ?bad spotlight? they were in, so that they could try and judge the importantness of their possible roles from the reactions maybe. Again, looking for blues.
All I did here was disagree with delling. Revealing their roles at that point would have been pretty bad for them (TTaM got killed during the night anyways, but still). I was simply saying it was a bad idea and should any of the suspected lynch targets be a blue, there was enough time for the game to evolve and people change suspects during the day.
That's a pretty decent post Starbrow, especially the spreadsheet.
I've been pretty busy at work today, and I've been catching up on the posts made just now.
When it comes to the captain I don't think either mouseh or emptyy is a bad choice. I feel both of them have shed some light on the entire situation and I don't think any of them are rebels. (...)
Now, for the lynch votes, I've seen both Kawe and TTaM as suspicious for most of the game, but as I've thought about it for a while, it starts to look like maybe none of them are rebels. They're both pretty aggressive in their accusations and defense points, but I think that is partially due to them firing each other up. One point is certain, if none of them are rebels, the rebels them selves is in a dream situation as this issue seems to be splitting the empire.
My current vote is still for TTaM, as I don't really see a good target for lynching. Hopefully the discussion tomorrow after the captain has been elected can reveal some more details.
Trying to promote Mouseh and Emptyy as Captains, specially the Mouseh thing can be suspicious as she is now confirmed Rebel.
Now the Lynch part, is something I can?t really explain well enough myself I think, its just this whole ?it doesn?t look like they are Rebels, yet still casting some doubts around the splitting Imperials minds in two camps, trying to maybe gain some trust himself
At the beginning, Kawe sort of convinced me that TTaM has something suspicious going on, so I voted for him, but at this part of the game the arguments seemed to fall short and I couldn't give a reason for Kawe to be a rebel either. So what I did was to highlight the possibility that none of them were rebels (which they weren't). As for my self not removing the vote from TTaM, I had no evidence what so ever to go on when I took kawe and ttam out of the rebel-equation. I could have unvoted, but I decided it wouldn't make a difference, as I would change to a better lynch target when more information presented it self later on.
I'm going to go with a gut feeling here and support Emptyy as well, as much as I think Mouseh is imperial.
##Unsupport: Vdti
##Support: Emptyy
6th JUNE 01!
I'm going to have to go with my previous assessment that neither TTaM nor Kawe are rebels. With the current situation, that leaves me with the quitet and non-contributing ones. I was leaning towards tronz, but after his last posts he's gained a tad more credability. Not much though.
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Intrinsic
My first big note is for people to see this post is from June 1 (gets important in in my next part.)
He joins the Dellwagon onto Intrinsic votes after some vague stuff about tronz and not really giving much else reason than that
The reason for that is simple and already explained in my post really, I had nothing to go on, and Tronz actually replied with a few posts and tried to explain him self. At that point the major consensus was that either Tronz or Intrinsic should be lynched, so I went for the one who said the least to defend him self.
7th JUNE 04!
I've been away for a day now, so I had to use so time to catch up, this thread is really growing fast.
Here are some takes on some of the people.
Kawe: Definitely imperial. The evidence has already been presented, no reason to repeat this. However, I would like to add that everyone who do not want to talk to him in private should be our targets. The only people who would not want to reveal their role to a known imperial, are mafia. I suggest everyone to talk to him in private on IRC or through forum PMs.
Delling: He seems to have hidden quite a few secrets and is somewhat inconsistent in the TTaM/Shiftey/Emptyy think, but he comes forward as a martyr and as nobody else have, he probably telling the truth. This could best be confirmed by Kawe after he's talked to everyone.
Yoica: Seems somewhat unwilling to talk to kawe, but I don't think he's a rebel. He did defend TTaM during day 1. I haven't checked if this was after or before he had the most votes for a while, so I'm not going 100% on this one. Yoica: Talk to kawe to clear things up.
shankski: He really don't want to talk to kawe, claiming he doesn't trust him, even after all the evidence has been presented. Number one lynch target in my book.
Other:
Kawe already listed a list of people who he wanted to talk to and as long as they do not talk to him, they are all acting suspicious. I just talked to Kawe on IRC, and he can confirm this, and I really suggest everyone to do the same.
As for why I haven't voted yet, I've already explained that I had to catch up. I'm going to give my vote for shankski for the reasons I've explained, but I'm willing to follow Kawe's vote as he is definitely the one with the most information.
##Vote: shankski
This is where the June 1 gets interesting. This is Vdti?s next post, after the last he did on June 1, He says Delling is probably telling the truth, while still the Votes for him are rumbling in and more and more stuff gets forth about Delling. He throws a more less neutral vote onto shankski, maybe trying to start a bandwagon on to him to safe the skin of Delling (I know it was doubtful to work, but could have been a possibility)
On the note of delling: As I said, he was inconsistent but he claimed to be a role that nobody spoke up for. This gave me slight indication that he was the role he was talking about. As for the martyr now, my best guess is that we do not have one.
Quote from: Yoica on June 04, 2011, 11:50:04 AM
I never defended TTaM as Shiftey pointed. I thought he was guiltly. This logic about talk to Kawe or else is retarded. I've given my reasons. It isn't just Kawe you are giving your name and role to it's his inner circle. While I agree Kawe is imperial I don't hold the same opinion of others.
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I went back and looked, and it seems I'm mistaken for that. Sorry about it, must have confused you with someone else.
As when it comes to kawe giving our roles out to other players, all I can say is that I hope he uses the information we give him carefully, but I do believe he will use it wisely.
I have to say I'm very curious to see how the lynch of Delling went, but it doesn't really teach us anything if he was imperial. He claimed to a martyr, so if he's not either our martyr hasn't spoken up to incriminate him or we don't have one at all.
I just find this rather odd, that he?s been somewhat implying that Lynching Delling would give no info, should he not have been a Rebel.
Might not have been the best analysis of the situation, but me implying that lynching delling would give little info could not have change the actual lynch it self. Delling was all over the place and to me it would not have given alot of info if he indeed was an imperial, most people had suspect views toward him and a night time lynch was very probable. As he was a rebel, it looks like some people got the information they needed and we got two other rebels. This means that all in all, lynching delling at the point we did was the right thing to do.
Just noticed the bot differentiates between shankski and Shankski, so just revoting:
##Unvote: shankski
##Vote: Shankski
As for delling being a rebel, I'm a bit surprised that our martyr didn't speak up when delling claimed to be one. (If we have one).
He is only Surprised about Delling situation, and doesn?t really contribute towards the clues we actually got from it.
He havn?t posted ANYTHING after we have killed 2 more Rebels. Clearly a sign of some sort of panic-mode in the Rebel camp in my opinion.
Well, most of the action went down at Saturday evening and I wasn't at home at that point. I cough up with everything on Sunday afternoon and didn't really have much to add. I was pleased with the results of the previous day, but I didn't have much to add. It was also night time in the game.
Quote from Yoica:
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Vdti and Mouseh don't post a lot, but when they do post it shows they have a concept of what is happening and aren't easily swayed by what others say. Making them the safer choice.
My only problem with Vdti is that TTaM was a little too pro-active in pushing Vdti forward which makes me suspicious, considering I have TTaM on the top of my rebel list. Hence my vote goes to Mouseh
In my theory, of Vdti being a rebel, I see this as an act of Vdti captaincy going nowhere -> Tries to swap people over onto Mouseh and still not saying that people should necessarily unvote for Vdti, so that there would be possible two Rebel choices. It might be a small lead, but I think there is some good views for it to be this way.
I never tried to swap people over to Mouseh. I said I didn't like the way Kawe supported her and never tried to get people to vote for her. I didn't let my guard down until a lot more had been said and started to think that she might be an imperial everyone at that point was basically arguing for and against mouseh and emptyy. When I went forward and supported Emptyy I stated that I didn't think she was a rebel anymore, but voted for Emptyy due to my earlier suspicions.
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I have access to power at the camping site, so I hope I will get time to read up properly later tonight.
Shiftey can you do correlations like you did with vdti with all the nonconfirmed blues :P
Im sure Kawe,Veilas and you are not mafia. Im quite sure tyler isnt mafia based on his early accusations. Tronz seems quite imperial with everyone all the mafias voting against him, although Delling did change his vote from him and he(Tronz) also logged on teamspeak hours before responding to the accusations which seems suspicious (I need to check this info via irc logs).
Could someone post a simple list of who is alive and who are confirmed blues.
##Vote: Vdti
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Ugh, seems like I messed up the qoute-nesting there, if some admin would be so kind as to terminate the first quote of my self, that would be great, but I think it should be readable.
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I'm just gonna go with color coded responses to shiftey's post, so I don't mess up again :P I'm gonna color my stuff in blue.
I am gonna add whatever I've gathered on Vdti.
Since I was pasting this into a document from print view and it's a lot of quotes, the time I would have spent on searching for the links for proper quotes could as well be spend on studying for my exams. I did not change the quotes or even correct them in any way, they are all marked with date and time.
My commentary is gonna be in green colour, so you can see it clearly. I will mark the confirmed rebels as red.
Post by: Vdti on May 29, 2011, 11:24:53 PM
It would be wise for blues (except for stormtroopers) to not run for captain, as their night time abilities would be useless then.
- He?s suggesting that blues do not run. In a later post which I will quote as well, he suggest as many privates as possible should run for captain. That would mean that blues would get immediately revealed and isn?t that exactly what rebels want?
As I already pointed out in my response to Eet, that was not so smart as I first though. I simply did not see it that way until you guys pointed it out.
Post by: Vdti on May 30, 2011, 01:39:05 PM
As for the captain role, I'm a private my self, and therefore I will be running, as long as I can have a jailer to protect me from assassination. The more privates we can get into to the race for captain, the lower the possibility of a rebel captain becomes.
So here we go, Vdti for captain!
##Support: Vdti
- And this is the post where he suggests that privates run for captain therefore revealing all the blues who shouldn?t according to his first post. He also announces his candidacy for Captain.
As I already pointed out in my response to Eet, that was not so smart as I first though. I simply did not see it that way until you guys pointed it out.
Post by: Vdti on May 30, 2011, 07:50:57 PM
As for me for captain, the only reason I joined the race was to avoid a rebel being elected. I was weary of Kawe in the beginning as he was getting some of the votes, but I'm most definitely not sure of anything at this point, nobody can be. I simply feel that voting for Kawe is too much of a gamble at this point, simply because I know he played a really good last game. :P
Now, if Kawe is an imperial private, I honestly believe he would be a great captain, probably better than me, but I'm not sure it's worth the risk of swinging the balance so much on the first day.
As for Mouseh, if I remember correctly, it was Kawe that suggested her in the first place, so that automatically makes me a bit skeptic of her as well, even though she's said a lot of good stuff.
- Anyone could say he ran to avoid a rebel captain, but we almost got a rebel captain elected anyway (maybe we even did, who knows about Emptyy). Refering to last game about Kawe outplaying us all as basis for not wanting him is not very strong argument in my book, but fair point, there was a chance. About Mouseh, he says Kawe suggested her first, but it was in fact it was Tyler, says he?s skeptical, but also she?s said a lot of good stuff. Therefore being very neutral, jumping to no conclusion (as a rebel would do?)
I thought it was Kawe that suggested her, but it was only him that cough my attention for her. The reason for being neutral was that I had very little solid information to go on.
Post by: Vdti on May 30, 2011, 09:21:38 PM
##Vote: TTaM
As for my candidacy for captain, I'm still retaining my position, even though TTaM is one of my supporters. For all we know, he (and other rebels) might want to gain trust by voting in someone from the imperial guard and take advantage of that later on.
- He votes for TTaM, who?s our cop. And the idea that rebels would want to gain trust by electing imperial captain. How would we know he was imperial captain? How would we then know someone gained trust by this? And how did he know TTaM was a "rebel"? This is a washy argument.
I 'knew' TTaM was a "rebel" because Kawe's post convinced me of it. Both of them had been going at each others throats for a while and Kawe's post was the one that made most sense at that point.
Post by: Vdti on May 31, 2011, 06:44:13 PM
When it comes to the captain I don't think either mouseh or emptyy is a bad choice. I feel both of them have shed some light on the entire situation and I don't think any of them are rebels.
- So, now he?s not against Mouseh anymore, he was a little bit suspicious against her before, he?s not anymore. And Emptyy was not a bad choice to mention because his post put Mouseh in a ?green zone?. But he thinks none of them are rebels.
I do not think many thought either of them were rebels at this point. My suspicions of Mouseh slowly faded a bit when so many started to support her.
Now, for the lynch votes, I've seen both Kawe and TTaM as suspicious for most of the game, but as I've thought about it for a while, it starts to look like maybe none of them are rebels.
My current vote is still for TTaM, as I don't really see a good target for lynching. Hopefully the discussion tomorrow after the captain has been elected can reveal some more details.
- So he says that Kawe and TTaM are not rebels in his opinion and votes for TTaM? And waiting for captain election to reveal more details? I am not aware it would and I am not aware it did.
You are right, the captain spot did not reveal a lot of information, but the focus shifted away from Kawe and TTaM as the day passed. I could have unvoted TTaM, and I probably should have, but I had already decided that I was going to change my vote as more information came on the table that I didn't.
Post by: Vdti on May 31, 2011, 09:16:13 PM
I'm going to go with a gut feeling here and support Emptyy as well, as much as I think Mouseh is imperial.
##Unsupport: Vdti
##Support: Emptyy
- Very clever, saying Mouseh is imperial, but rather supporting Emptyy. Mouseh was already supported by Yoica and Delling, perhaps too many rebels voting for same person
I don't really have a good response to this one. My thoughts of Mouseh got better as people came with good supporting posts for her, which led me to believe that she was imperial. All I had to go on at that point between the two was a gut feeling, and my first impression of Mouseh decided the outcome of my support vote.
Post by: Vdti on June 01, 2011, 08:50:21 PM
I'm going to have to go with my previous assessment that neither TTaM nor Kawe are rebels. With the current situation, that leaves me with the quitet and non-contributing ones. I was leaning towards tronz, but after his last posts he's gained a tad more credability. Not much though.
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Intrinsic
- Switches from TTaM to Intrinsic, but he was leaning towards Tronz. Tronz was voted on and supported as a lynch target by the confirmed rebels Delling, Yoica and Mouseh . Intrinsic being quite is a good target for rebels to lynch, cause we gained absolutely nothing out of that. Leaning towards Tronz is quite important too, as he was suspected by the mafia of being a blue.
Solely for the reason to change my vote away from TTaM. I did join a bandwagon there, but it was due to lack of other reasonable options.
Post by: Vdti on June 04, 2011, 11:04:20 AM
Yoica: Seems somewhat unwilling to talk to kawe, but I don't think he's a rebel. He did defend TTaM during day 1. I haven't checked if this was after or before he had the most votes for a while, so I'm not going 100% on this one. Yoica: Talk to kawe to clear things up.
shankski: He really don't want to talk to kawe, claiming he doesn't trust him, even after all the evidence has been presented. Number one lynch target in my book.
##Vote: shankski
- He defends Yoica for not roleclaiming to Kawe and sure enough Yoica is discovered as a rebel. Also, Yoica never did defend TTaM and I pointed that one out already. This in itself could mean Vdti is a rebel. And then right after he slams Shankski for not talking to Kawe and how that is reason for a lynch. Double standard right there. That?s a direct hard contradiction within the same post. This is very weird and could well clear Shankski. (Because he?s suspicious as fuck)
I did not defend him for not roleclaiming, I criticized it. At that point I must have read some posts wrong while reading in print-mode and claimed that Yoica was one of those who defended ttam early. That turned out to be a mistake and I stated that in a later post. As for shankski, I still stand for what I said there. Kawe said he did talk to him at a later point, but the reluctant nature at that point is suspicious.
Post by: Vdti on June 04, 2011, 02:02:33 PM
I have to say I'm very curious to see how the lynch of Delling went, but it doesn't really teach us anything if he was imperial. He claimed to a martyr, so if he's not either our martyr hasn't spoken up to incriminate him or we don't have one at all.
- Defends Delling, nothing else to say here, defends another rebel again
I was just questionable to the fact that we insta-lynched a target that was going to die in a few hours anyways. Looking back it was most definitely a right move as it lead to the killings of other rebels. I'm still not sure what we would have learned if delling was imperial, as he was all over the place and many were already on the kill-wagon.
Out of all this, I have to say Vdti is looking well enough like a good target for a lynch to me. Can I have some thoughts from other imperials?
Now, I want people to reconsider their votes for me, as I am definitely imperial. I might not have played a good game, but I'm not a rebel and the lynch would be better placed elsewhere.
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I did not defend him for not roleclaiming, I criticized it. At that point I must have read some posts wrong while reading in print-mode and claimed that Yoica was one of those who defended ttam early. That turned out to be a mistake and I stated that in a later post. As for shankski, I still stand for what I said there. Kawe said he did talk to him at a later point, but the reluctant nature at that point is suspicious.
I'm don't really see your logic with this Vdti; the point is, you've in one post said that despite him refusing to talk to me, you don't think Yoica is a rebel (how is that not defending him?) and then went on to say that Shankski should be number one lynch target for doing the exact same thing.
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That is correct, this was a real concern on my part, and we can see early that the support vote from delling for me gained him some trust in my book.
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At the beginning, Kawe sort of convinced me that TTaM has something suspicious going on, so I voted for him, but at this part of the game the arguments seemed to fall short and I couldn't give a reason for Kawe to be a rebel either. So what I did was to highlight the possibility that none of them were rebels (which they weren't). As for my self not removing the vote from TTaM, I had no evidence what so ever to go on when I took kawe and ttam out of the rebel-equation. I could have unvoted, but I decided it wouldn't make a difference, as I would change to a better lynch target when more information presented it self later on.
1st
How can you, on day 1, gain trust from someone you have no clue what role is, unless your a Rebel and he is a Rebel?
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You say you waited for more/better info and that is why you didn't change your vote off TTaM, but yet you changed to Intrinsic who had very low evidence of being a Rebel, the only thing that talked to lynching him was being silent and there is several other people in the game at that point who then would be just as good target for a lynch as intrinsic would. You just wanted to join the dellwagon?because he had given trust in your book because he supported you?
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##Vote: Vdti
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Personal Log: Private 1st. Class Argus Barbosa; Callsign "Grishnag"
Date: ABY4.06.06
Entry: #6
When i came back to the cantina late last night i was informed that i was off-duty, Even better then having a late shift i would say, Anyway i was at the Cantina there was a sense of Euforia going around we just lynched our first rebel so there was reason enough to celebrate, I went to my normal seat at the bar and ordered the usual from the barkeep he said nothing and just nodded few seconds later he came back with my drink.
We were all in for a bit of a suprise 30 minutes later when this Stormtrooper with a gun came waltzing in and what seemed like he picked a random droid that was just walking around and shot it, The Y01C-4 droid fell over backwards rather stifly even for a droid, It went deadsilent for a minute when the stormtrooper removed his helmet and tried to calm the people down that started to gather around the fallen droid, He spoke in a calm and collected manner and said "Calm down people and grab another drink for we have destroyed a rebel droid", It was dead silent for what felt like an eternity then the crowd erupted in cheers with me included.
As the crowd went back to celebrating even harder then before i noticed that the stormtrooper went to a table in the corner where i noticed the poisoned Hugman and Kawe the Imperial Assassin sitting discussing things, I felt no need to go over there though those Assassins scare the crap out of me they will shoot you for looking at you funny, Anyway i went back to drinking heavely i might add.
Two or maybe three hours later i heard someone screaming "HE HAS A BLASTER!" i saw the crowd scatter from the guy, The guy looked a bit rough and scraggy i would allmost say rebel like then i noticed he was pointing his blaster at one of the two Twi'Lek Dancers on stage both of them wearing... well basicly nothing, They just stood there baffled at what was happening when the guy fired the shot and hit the one called Mou Seh i believe, I mean i never really bothered to learn the dancers name since they were just there for entertainment, As it turned out the dancer that got shot was another Rebel Assassin and when people found that out we had another cheer around the bar it sounded rather odd with all the drinking people had been doing.
When i saw the other Twi'lek rocking back and forth mumbling something i did not understand at all So i decided to talk to her to calm her down a bit, Now at this point my memory becomes rather blurry due to excessive drug and alchohol abuse, All i know is that i somehow ended up in an unknown bed in an unknown quarters, As i woke up pantsless in bed i noticed a purple skinned lady spooning with me, I decided to wake her up and ask her where the hell i was, She told me it was her apartment, Anyway with the drugs and alchohol not impairing my judgement she looked rather fugly and i decided to get the hell out of there.
anyway now that i have pants again and i dont have to go to work its time to hit the bar again... i think anyway.
Entry #6 End
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I did not defend him for not roleclaiming, I criticized it. At that point I must have read some posts wrong while reading in print-mode and claimed that Yoica was one of those who defended ttam early. That turned out to be a mistake and I stated that in a later post. As for shankski, I still stand for what I said there. Kawe said he did talk to him at a later point, but the reluctant nature at that point is suspicious.
I'm don't really see your logic with this Vdti; the point is, you've in one post said that despite him refusing to talk to me, you don't think Yoica is a rebel (how is that not defending him?) and then went on to say that Shankski should be number one lynch target for doing the exact same thing.
As I already explained, I thought Yoica was one of those who started to defend TTaM. I was wrong, so the premise that he was less suspect than shankski disappeared. However, it did not lesses my suspicion against shankski.
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I'm going to talk about Kendoki for a bit. This is the most interesting post he made.
I havent voted yet, because the only reason i see to vote for Delling at this points is for the following reason :
Tyler - I wasn't keen on voting in the first place (as you say), and I was more convinced with Daekesh's analysis of Kawe, than Kawe's analysis of Archz. So I went with Kawe.
I don't think either of them are rebels (or Kawe is a rebel and has massively overplayed his hand, buoyed up with hubris from last game) -- but as you guys say, voting is better than not-voting.
If I had to cast my own independent vote, I would vote for Ino, Tronz or Intrinsic, because they've been almost completely useless.
This is a very defensive post. Why would you not vote for one of the guys you listed if you think they are useless? Why vote Kawe if you think he is not a rebel? It looks to me like you are keeping a low profile, trying not to stick out too much.
##Unvote: Archz
##Vote: Delling
He serious contradicts himself here. I agree here totally with Tyler, why vote for Kawe, when you say yerself : "If I had to cast my own independent vote, I would vote for Ino, Tronz or Intrinsic." Seems steered in my eyes. This is the only reason as of yet i would vote for Delling.
All the other reason like too many posts and too many noobiness or starting the bandwagon are too weak of arguments to give him my vote for him now.
I am also curious as to where certain people went, Chippen only posted voted a vote for Delling, no reason given, Blackwhale is dead silent, and so are many more people. I need to see some posts from them. Untill i see some posts from them, my vote is still my own.
So the ironic part about this one is that he see's the only thing wrong will Delling's behaviour is that he didn't vote for someone he suspected. However Kendoki did not use his vote on Delling at that point...
This is pretty sus imo.
If you want to see the rest of his posts see here http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=808;sa=showPosts
As you can see there is not much constructive in there. Mainly shit stirring as far as I can see. He also hasn't switched from Shanski even though "Shiftey surely makes some sense". That is not the first time he has hidden behind someone else's opinion.
##Vote: Kendoki
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I keep thinking of who to vote for, and my gut keeps telling me to go Emptyy, so i'll go with that until convinced otherwise
##Vote: Emptyy
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Any Imperial who does not speak his mind is useless and helping the rebels, right now it looks like the Star Destroyer is full of rebels, except for few individuals.
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Any Imperial who does not speak his mind is useless and helping the rebels, right now it looks like the Star Destroyer is full of rebels, except for few individuals.
What Shiftey said.. If your Imperial we need you to TALK not stay silent.. Silence ONLY helps the Rebels!
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well tbh i think that we should listen to kawe as he can see a bigger picture than us(grax to, since they will share info and he is semi afk). like others have posted there is something wrong about vdti. but so is there with many other people! so im going to put my faith in kawe and hope for the best. LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!
##Vote: Vdti
someone said something about me and ts. i would just like to inform you that i only use ts during raids or when playing with others. if i logged on it was due to me being to lazy to close ts after the raid and putting my computer on sleep mode.
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Well, i'm finding it pretty hard to keep up to be honest.
I mentioned that i'd make a post yesterday but didnt get around to doing it cos i worked over time yesterday -.-
I'll try to post tonight.
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Vorte has been very quiet this game. I know he had exams, but we were promised posts when they were done.
Here is his history http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=430;sa=showPosts;start=0
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Yeah, thing is - I feel this game is sort of "dead" and "won". We're 13 to 3, we got this - and who lives and dies is up to the group you are part of, Tyler(kawe, shiftey, grax and other trustiees). If I disagree on a lynch, I'll speak up! It simply feels that I don't have all that much to add, and as mentioned, the roles who actually bring us info have died. Right now Vdti is looking like a fair candidate, but I've still got my eye on the three I mentioned yesterday(Shankski, Emptyy and Chippen).
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btw can we know who you might have told roles/indicated something to in private kawe? either they were very lucky with starbrow, like 1/10 chance and thinking that kesh died first round(we only know emptyy and shiftey was told his role. might be more) it does seem that someone has some inside information
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As response to Tyler's post.
Think i explained my reasoning/thoughts in every post i made thusfar.
As for the not voting yet : i aint voting on the first second of the day because i would like to check and read up on things, like i said after reading Shiftey's post; need to read some before i make a decision.
Now i have read that some and then read some more; what strikes me is that right after Tyler's post of me, Chippen hops in to make a quick vote. Trying quickly to avoid the same thing Tyler is accusing me of, namely : not voting early on. This together with my previous mentioned thoughts of him (strange voting : first fun, then joining the bandwagon, then for starting the bandwagon, then joining the bandwagon again, has given little to no info behind his voting at all.)
Its all very suspicious in my eyes, so :
##Vote: Chippen
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Yeah, thing is - I feel this game is sort of "dead" and "won". We're 13 to 3, we got this - and who lives and dies is up to the group you are part of, Tyler(kawe, shiftey, grax and other trustiees).
Your either living in a world of dreams or being part of the Rebels. If we wrongly lynch a person this Day 3, the kinda most crucial day that we find some information so that we got an fair chance to pick the right one on day 4. Else we will have another 2 people dying because the mafia still is 3/6. then we are 10 to 3.. (assuming we are lynching an Imperial) - And if we gather no real Info, we arent further than the day before, and we could likely do the freaking same again, and then suddenly we are 7 to 3..
So i tell thee, Vorte, to get analysing trying to put some thoughts together.. I've tried to chip-in what thoughts i've had, i've tried to pick up my not so impressive play, because we aren't on a 100% win yet.
If you really mean this, and isn't just a Rebel - Get the freaking info shared and why you think these three exactly deserves to get booted of the Star Destroyer.
Right now Vdti is looking like a fair candidate, but I've still got my eye on the three I mentioned yesterday(Shankski, Emptyy and Chippen).
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Don't just go on accusing if you can't even be bothered to read the thread yourself, I listed the reasons why, allthough very brief in the post before my last one.
Shiftey asked me yesterday about who I suspected of being rebels, and I gave him three names I thought I'd share with the lot of you aswell. Shankski, Emptyy and Chippen. They might all be playing a very odd game that I don't understand, but they are as previously mentioned, my main suspicions. Shankski and Chipp for their way of posting(as several of you have pointed out before, no need for a wall of text with someone elses wall of text of quotes) and Emptyy for his slight allegiance to Dellong.
As for living in a dream, sorry, I fail to see how killing off 3 mafia in one day isn't an enormous leap towards victory, not saying we can rest on our laurels, but we're in a good spot right now.
I find Chippen's play to be the most absurd of the three I suspect, but then again, he's an asian in space - my vote for today's lynch will be for Emptyy.
##Vote: Emptyy
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Personal Log: Private 1st. Class Argus Barbosa; Callsign "Grishnag"
Date: ABY4.06.06
Entry: #7
While i wanted to go to the Cantina today i decided to go to Hugman's funeral to show respect to the hero of the ship, Or so i have been told that he and Kawe worked on everything to get those three Rebel scum that died yesterday, Anyway i ran in to that Twi'Lek dancer at the funeral and she started looking at me i felt a bit awkward for running out on her like that and i decided to talk to her, I appologized to her for running out on her like i've seen a rancor or something she said she didnt mind.
After the funeral we decided to go to the Cantina for a bit and talk, It was like Eight O'clock in the morning so it was best for me not to get wasted before we even got to noon so i just ordered a glass of water, We were talking for a bit when the news came that two more people were shot in the evening, Now the first one Veilas was his name i believe was the stormtrooper that shot the other Twi'Lek dancer got killed by the Rebels, While i didn't know the guy all that well i mean you hardly see stormtroopers without their helmets on and you allmost never see them alone they are an odd bunch those stormtroopers, Anyway where was i? Oh right i didn't know the guy but i was a bit shocked that the rebels even went after stormtroopers.
Now the second guy i knew him better then i would like to admit, His name was Starbrow and he was an Imperial Jailor and i knew him all to well because in my early years on this Star Destroyer i got in a lot fights mostly while drunk and i ended up in the brig and Starbrow and i started talking, I found him a rather odd person to be a Jailor he allways seemed so relaxxed and in control of everything, He told me he was following a religion called Buddhism and he was in Zen or something its still a little confusing but him and me started talking and it helped me not get executed by the admiral, So his death realy shocked me hard and i decided that its a good time to start drinking.
All i can say now is that we lynch another Rebel and that i find the bastard that shot Starbrow and i can shoot him myself while sober preferably.
Anyway i dont think i will do much drinking for the rest of the day because it seems i have a night shift planned for my OH JOY OH JOY.
Entry: #7 End
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So its been roughly 2 ish days since we started day 3, and we have still yet heard nothing from our Captain, Emptyy?
Where are you hiding Emptyy?
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I've been thinking about the whole "maybe Emptyy is a rebel as well" idea, an I went back and looked at the captain votes around he and Mouseh with the fact that Mouseh was rebel in mind.
Mouseh is the third player that changed her vote to Emptyy, after a pretty quick turn-around. At the point of the change, Mouseh was in a pretty good lead, so my question is, why would she change away from her self (a rebel) to someone else when it looked like she was winning as can be seen in starbrows support chart[1]. It might be that she just got cold feet because she had gotten so much attention, but it's just as likely that she changed to Emptyy to split the vote between the two to secure a not so suspicious rebel captain.
He is also hanging low after some people have accused him in this thread, which seems odd. Maybe because at the moment I'm getting the most votes and he doesn't feel threatened enough?
With the little information I have, I'm going to vote for Emptyy this run. I admit I'm partially doing this to save my own skin, but I do believe there's something fishy about him. However, if he is imperial he better speak up and at least address the people who have voted for him, because losing two imperial votes at this time, and probably two other people the following night will be very bad for the ship.
##Vote: Emptyy
When it comes to the (probable) possibility that I will be lynched tonight, I think I've said what I could to try and convince you of my loyalty to the emperor. I probably haven't been the one with the greatest contributions, but I have nothing to hide.
[1] http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6168.0;attach=3980
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Right, just got back from the gym and I'm now going out drinking!
Haven't had much time to speculate on the votes, so I'm following some of the people I trust.
##Vote: Vdti
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##Vote: Vdti
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Looked at the cases put forth by various people, emptyy seems more innocent than vdti, but not clear in my view.
I still have the same gut feeling about chippen that i've had since the start.
But for now...
##Vote: Vdti
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##Vote: Vorte
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##Vote: Vorte
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In light of kawe switching to Vorte, I will put my trust in him and vote for Vorte as well
##Vote: Vorte
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##Vote: Vorte
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##Vote: Vorte
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I trust In Kawe and Shiftey, and i think Vorte is a Solid target aswell.
##Unvote: Vdti
##Vote: Vorte
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A wagon for me without any reasoning behind it other than I said we were ahead? Well heck, we won't be if you over read things as much as that, just look at the number of innocents that have been lynched so far..
In an effort to save my own skin, I'll switch my vote to Vdti, despite not beliving he's a rebel.
##Unvote: Emptyy
##Vote: Vdti
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Hi guise. Been away from the computer most day, which is why I've not been posting.
THE 3L: Blackwhale, Veilas, Vorte, Tronz, Insintric, Grishnag
(I also mentioned Shankski afterwards)
Now, 3/7 are dead. Two Private, one Stormtrooper. The remaining looks increasingly suspicious to me. This is also why I don't oppose voting for one of the remaining (Vorte, Tronz, Grishnag, Shankski). Though I wonder about the reasoning behind the sudden Vorte-train, other than the fact that he has been silent and that he has a bad attitude ("Chill, we've won"). Do we blindly follow Kawes command without thinking for ourselves?
The reasoning behind Vdti-voting is more solid, though I also think that it's a bit too thin for him to get my vote. It's seems too me that people easily chew over the "OH, OUR REBEL X SUPPORTED Y, HENCE Y MUST BE REBEL" or visa versa. Don't we believe that our fellow maifa-guildmembers has braincells enough to spread their votes, support and opinions to prevent everyone getting lynched if one of them go down?
##Vote: Shankski
Due to his lack of posts, his unwillingness to give his role to Kawe while saying he's green and his negative thinking ('we don't have much to go on').
With regards to Emptyy, I haven't posted a considerable amount because I have nothing to add that others haven't already said. It is still very early in the game and we don't have a great deal to go on.
This one was quite early, though things didn't pick up for you shankski? You didn't post much more when there was more to go on.
I haven't post my suspicions cause I don't really have a clue atm.
If you lynch me you will be lynching another green.
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Vdti, I explained the possibility that this "evidence" is not 100% watertight, hence the reason im not willing to reveal my role to Kawe.
I think the posting has mainly dried up due to the fact we have lost our blues that can track and investigate. This results in no real fresh info coming in
I haven't post my suspicions cause I don't really have a clue atm.
Would the following people please contact me with their role claims, either via PM or on IRC, I haven't caught you online yet. Time is of the essence, please get onto this.
Shankski
Blackwhale
Tronz
Starbrow
Vdti
i dont really wanna tell you my role when i do not trust you. i dont remember seeing any proof you are a blue other than you claming it. might have missed it tho!
Exactly the same
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Apparently, this wasn't orchestrated, and thus, to the sheep following kawe; Ask yourself - Who do you think is a rebel between me and Vdti? If you do believe that I am the one most suspicious, reading the last few pages, then sure, go ahead and vote my ass off this ship - if not, vote with your own head.
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sorry guys, been really busy.
I'm trusting the bot tonight, you _have_ to let me know if it's wrong, as I don't have time to double check.
Votes are for:
[Emptyy.2]: shankski, Chippen -
[Vorte.6]: Shiftey, Eetion, Kawe, Vdti, Grishnag, Sintrael -
[Vdti.5]: Doomslay, graxlos, tronz, Vorte, Archz -
[Kendoki.1]: Tyler -
[Chippen.1]: Kendoki -
[Shankski.1]: Emptyy
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##Vote: Vdti
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I still have no clue between the vorte and vdti. I thought I'd give someone the chance to change it.
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Seeing that I'm in power to decide who lives and who dies, my vote is changed to Vdti.
Atleast there is some info on why to kill him, while the arguments towards Vorte is thin. I don't like the infostream and decisions going on in the corner with Kawe and Shiftey
##Unvote: Shankski
##Vote: Vdti
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Insert random storyline here.
Sorry, been really busy, I'm packing for norway
Vdti the private has been killed
remember to send your night actions to both Goza and I by 23:59 Thursday night.
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Well done...
Tyler or Emptyy next...
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##Night
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Vorte, Tyler, Emptyy or Shanks would be my recommendations.
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I concur
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Tyler or Emptyy next...
Yup, people who don't blindly follow your and Kawes votes, but instead tries to interpret the thread themselves, should definitely lynched. Especially when they're wrong.
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What has happened here, Emptyy, is blindly going against votes for Vorte. At least, unless you're a rebel; or 'blindly' following Tyler's insistance you don't vote based on your belief that shanks or vorte is rebel.
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Yes, there was formatting on this, and it was obviously not translated across from google docs to forum. Do what you will with it.
Confirmed Roles
Kawe - Vigilante
Graxlos - Stormtrooper
XVeilas - Stormtrooper
XStarbrow - Jailor
XNach - Tracker
XTTaM - Cop/Vice Admiral
XHugman - Private
XIntrinsic - Private
XGlobox - Private
XBlackwhale - Private
XVdti - Private
XDelling - Rebel Assassin(Refusal to claim > blue > Martyr)
XYoica - Rebel Droid (Refused to claim)
XMouseh - Rebel Assassin
Claimed Roles
+Shiftey - Vigilante
+Eetion - Private (little odd) * questioned me
+Emptyy - Private
+Tronz - Martyr*Refusal * - Looking innocent based on being attacked in pm by mouse, delling, and yoica, and attempted to be made looking guilty by Mouse in public.
Doomslay - Private (with minor embellishment) ? relaxed and seems happy to help
Grishnag - Private
Sint - Private (took a whileto claim)
Arches - Private * < Arches was suggested along with kesh as a decent lynch by dell and tyler
Vorte - Private : wanted a lynch on Shiftey/Emptyy to follow dell kill : thinks sint is ?just sheep? - defended delling
Chippen - Private
Tyler - Private
Kendoki - Private
Shanks - Martyr ←---- Defended by Mouse* HOWEVER, she also wondered about him being a blue; her focus was quite a lot on working out which blues were which
3 left: possible trios?: // // Shanks, Chippen, Arches // Vdti, Chippen, Shanks // Vdti, Chippen, Arches // Vdti, Chippen, Vorte // Vorte, Tyler, Emptyy //
Mouse PM when shanks brought up:
<Mouseh> you really think hes part of mafia and hes tring to infuence the janitor role?
<Mouseh> i don't think so tbh
<kawe> janitor?
<kawe> oh jailor
<Mouseh> hahaah :D
<Mouseh> jailor :)
<Mouseh> hahaha janitor :')
<Mouseh> i don't think there is anything suspicious in his post, and i said already i understand why he hesitate to give you his role
<Mouseh> it could be slight chance that hes assasin as he mention it few times
this part quite incomplete now: who is 'against' who
Graxlos - against: Grish, Tronz
Hugman - against: Arches
Nach - against: Shiftey, Tronz, Intrinsic
TTaM - against: Kawe++, Yoica, Shankski, Blackwhale, Eetion, Nach--, Dell--, Tronz, Intrinsic
Emptyy, Tyler, Intrinsic---
Intrinsic-against: Vorte--, Arches, TTaM
Hugman ? against: Arches
Veilas ? against: Arches, TTaM
Starbrow ? against: Arches, suggests lynching Kawe if TTaM is not mafia
Shiftey ? against: Kawe, TTaM, Delling, Tyler, Mouseh
Grishnag -
Vdti - against: Shanks,
Sint - against: Arches, TTaM, Delling
Vdti ? against: TTaM, Intrinsic, Emptyy
Vorte ? against: Arches
Emptyy - eetion, shanks
Tyler - against: Arches, TTaM, Shiftey, Delling, Emptyy, Grax, Kendo, Doomslay
Arches ? against: Vorte, Intrinsic
Shanks ? against: Tronz Intrinsic, Chippen, Emptyy, Graxlos, Veilas
Chippen - against: Vorte-, Kawe, Tronz, Delling, Emptyy
Doomslay- against: notArches, Arches, Kawe, Graxlos, Tyler,
Delling - against: Arches, Kawe, Intrinsic, Emptyy
Yoica - against: TTaM, Hugman---, Shiftey, Emptyy, Tronz, Eetion
Mouseh ? against: TTaM, Tronz, Delling
Kendoki - against: Kawe+, Starbrow, Tyler, Eetion,
Intrinsic/Chipp--, Hugman-
||then later|| against: TTaM--, Mouse-, Kawe++, Intrinsic
Chippen--, Shiftey, Tyler-,
||then later|| against: Kawe+, Tronz, ? Shiftey, Emptyy, Chippen, Blackwhale,
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this is a sequencing of Mouse's interactions with other players in the game. I had intended to do the same for other known rebels and other suspected rebels but... time consuming. There were coloured names in the original. Not here.
[Against Eetion for captain
Against Tyler for captain
Arches ?lol?] <- liked by Sint, supported by Tyler
[delayed voting/supporting
Kawe ?dangerous to vote captain?] ? echoed by Sint, Delling,
[Vdti says it was me who suggested Mouse first, and that she?s said a lot of good stuff]
[Yoica backs Mouse and gives ##Support]
[Eetion ##Supports Mouse]
[Emptyy says Mouse is in ?his green zone? along with Vdti and Tyler
gives Mouse ##Support
Puts Eetion, Kawe, TTaM and Chippen under suspicion]
[Vorte ?torn between? Kawe, Mouse and Delling for captain ? doesn?t support Shiftey/Eetion
Gives ##Support to Mouse, ##Votes TTaM]
[Mouse is attacked by Shiftey]
[Sint refutes Shiftey?s attack, saying it?s ?going way too far to say that just because she?s made 2 posts, on day 1, that she?s either a rebel or a blue]
[Delling agrees with Sint about Mouse being not guilty]
[Mouse praises Emptyy?s post. Suggests we have a choice between lynching Arches, TTaM and Chippen as ?safe? choices (TTaM and Arches also listed by Delling for this reason)
Or that we vote for Eetion (based on Emptyy?s post), but Kawe or Delling could fit too]
[Shiftey says Tyler?s putting forward of Mouse for captain is weird
Presses Yoica for why he suddenly backed Mouseh]
[Yoica responds, thanking Emptyy for a ?great summary?
Says he sees 4 good captain candidates; Kawe, Vdti, Mouse, Shiftey
Says Kawe and Shiftey?s posts are great but high risk
Says Mouse and Vdti are safe choices, but that TTaM was too pro-active pushing Vdti and that TTaM is rebel; says this is why he supports Mouse]
[Tyler posts supporting Emptyy?s ?Great post?
Equally praises Mouse?s posts, switches #Support from Kawe to Mouse.
Says Mouse ?might be rebel scum playing a blinder? but ?don?t see a better choice?, but also that ?the same could be said of all candidates?. (this is odd)
Questions Shiftey
Says of TTaM that he is sus.
Says Grax needs to post more; questions his support of Shiftey] <- Delling praises Tyler?s post
[Mouse against Shiftey a lot
Says she should support Emptyy since he?s made ?a few sane posts?, but that he would look bad to Shiftey too
##Supports herself]
[Shiftey lists the current people supporting Mouse as captain
Yoica, Eetion, Emptyy, Vorte, Tyler, Kawe]
[Shiftey ##Support Emptyy as ?a much better candidate than Mouseh? for captain]
[Doomslay is convinced by TTaM against Kawe, and finds the sudden voting for Mouse as captain with little reasoning suspicious]
[Mouse goes after Shiftey, says she didn?t trust Kawe with captain role.
She is ?more than happy? to ##Support Emptyy]
[Sintrael says that Mouse?s posts were exactly what he was thinking, and that he is supporting her. Says Shiftey is stretching what people say to undermine them, and that the only person benefitting from Shiftey?s posts is TTaM.
##Vote Shiftey and ##Support Mouse]
[Eetion says both Mouse and Emptyy are solid choices and switches support
##Support Emptyy
Says Doomslay?s post about everyone switching to Mouse was suspicious]
[Shanks says he thinks Mouse would be a better choice as captain
Says TTaM and Shiftey changing votes together is suspicious
##Support Mouse]
[Doomslay mentions he thinks Kawe and Emptyy could be working together as rebels.
Many people who voted for Mouse now switching to Emptyy, fine but something to watch out for]
[Yoica posts to say that he is surprised (?!) old enemies are new friends; Shiftey and TTaM who ?had problems with Mouse, due to her low post count and suspected ties with Kawe and Tyler now voting for Emptyy? who has lower post count but one wicked post?.
Says he is baffled by people rapidly switching ?w/o solid reasoning?]
[Kendo posts against Mouse as captain calling her Undecisive]
[Starbrow puts forward Mouse?s putting forward for captain somewhat sus, but he feels relatively safe supporting her.
##Support Mouse]
[Vdti thinks neither Mouse nor Emptyy are a bad captain choice.
Is not eager to be captain
Viewed TTaM and Kawe as sus, but thought about it and said none looked like rebels, and are just getting fired up by each other, and that if that?s the case the rebels are in a dream situation
Continues voting for TTaM as he doesn?t really see another good lynch target]
[Vdti goes with his gut feeling and supports Emptyy, despite thinking Mouse is imperial
##Support Emptyy]
[Blackwhale supports Mouse, sure she?s imperial, and ?has his evil eye on some of the people that voted emptyy]
[Sint questions how Blackwhale could be sure mouse is imperial]
[Tyler says it took him poking Dell to get him to vote, and that Delling wouldn?t go after Kawe so early if he had any doubt.
Says Emptyy?s post was ?nice and all?, but weak on conclusions, and that Mouse has better judgment]
[Sint questions Emptyy being voted in as captain based on only one post with quotes and weak conclusions.
Says Mouse and Kawe have been far better, and that Delling or even Shiftey would be better than Emptyy.
Questions that people supporting Emptyy have had little input into the game.
Says the split vote means the rebels can easily sway the vote how they want, and this is very dangerous].
[Delling counters Sint?s post saying that neither Mouse nor Emptyy look like rebels]
[Eetion compares the people supporting Emptyy and the people voting against Kawe makes him ?reconsider my thoughts of our captain?, and that Mouse is safer relatively.
##Supports Mouse]
[Tyler pushing for Mouse support till the end of the captaincy vote to Kawe on TS]
[Mouse votes against Tronz as a ?useless? player, after Shanks did and Grax did before]
[Emptyy posts about the Tronz-wagon and times, including Mouse]
[Mouse ##Vote Delling with no text, after the lynch]
[Mouse questions Delling?s guilt, says TTaM is looking guilty, mentions that Tronz looks more like a Blue than Intrinsic] 11 AM June 2nd ? Rebels have not decided to kill TTaM yet, still painting him as guilty.
[Tyler astounded I didn?t shoot Delling in the night]
[Tyler lists Mouse, Chippen, Blackwhale as names that spring to mind of silent people who need to post their thoughts
Wonders why we haven?t daylynched delling yet
Wants Jailor to protect Kawe]
[Mouse posts a big post ? states she was shocked TTaM was killed and that was sure he was a rebel
Following my chat with her in PM, brings up that there could be more than Shiftey and Emptyy who knew about TTaM?s role, and not Delling since she ?doubts his story?.
Says we ?could have killed two imperials? based on Shiftey/Emptyy theory.
Suggested that Emptyy could have ended up shooting Shiftey, and then lead to empty being lynched, if this hadn?t come to light.
Paints Shiftey as guilty for saying ?we all agree nach is mafia? 11 minutes after night actions.]
[Mouse posts saying Dell started Intrinsic bandwagon, and paints Tronz as suspect based on this. Votes Tronz.]
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Sorry Kawe I will read your text wall after I have written this.
Delling: He seems to have hidden quite a few secrets and is somewhat inconsistent in the TTaM/Shiftey/Emptyy think, but he comes forward as a martyr and as nobody else have, he probably telling the truth. This could best be confirmed by Kawe after he's talked to everyone.
OK this is the line that popped into my head when I was thinking about voting for Vdti. I couldn't really believe that Delling's last, most desperate, post. The one where he was excusing himself for being a bad rebel would convince anyone.
Turns out I was wrong.
It turns out I was maybe wrong to question Kawe's judgement on Vorte too. I was somewhat confused as when we had talked on TS I thought we were going to go with Vdti. The sudden switch to Vorte came as a supprise, as did not giving him a chance to respond to anything.
This is not the first time I've questioned Kawe's logic this game though. Don't get me wrong he did a great job catching Mouseh and Yoica. Especially compared to my judgement on Mouseh. I am going to list a few of the points I questioned though.
1) Revealing day one to me and Sint on TS that he was an assassin. If I was rebel I would have role blocked and killed him that night. Removing an "extra" kill from the imperials would have been too good to pass up. Delling was a very obvious target at that point.
2) Not killing Delling night one. I don't think we are ever going to get a better target in one of our games (sorry Dell) Getting a scum kill gives more information than anything else. We can cross reference it to votes. Of course it's not 100% (cf mouseh) but it is really very good.
2a) Having second thoughts about Dell after his last post. That was his _most_ damningly self incriminating one.
2b) Basing anything on the martyr claim (we could have 0 we could have 2).
3) Killing Nach night one. Now Nach did look sus I'll admit, but in my book it would be better to hold off until more information had been gleaned.
4) Not really using the information gained by revealing to me and Sint night one. If you are not going to use the reveal as a basis for anything why do it?
5) Thinking that I might be a rebel. Now I understand that sometimes mafia get thrown to the wind, however I made he very first post accusing Dell. I then hounded him till he was dead.
At the same time I mistakenly voted for Mouseh as captain. If the rebel plan was to gain Imperial trust by sacrificing Delling it's a big stretch to also think I would vote Rebel. Shiftey had raised suspicions about Mouseh, so its not like she was a 'safe' vote. I'm sure we can concoct situations where I was caught unawares or expected this to happen so that I could write this point. It is pretty unlikely if you think about it though. If I was a rebel trying to gain trust by sacrificing Delling it would be much safer to vote imperial.
The best way to find out the truth on this one of course is to ask me about it in the thread. Then see how consistent my answers are. Unfortunately this is where the next point comes.
6) There is a reason this thread has dried up. That is because all the logic has moved else where. There is no information coming anymore. I posted today about Kendo and Vorte. Nothing from Shiftey or Kawe...
7) Thinking that two people looking at the same data will always come to the same conclusion. That is what you are saying when you say "all you have to do is read the thread". Many eminent scientist spend their lives disagreeing about the same dataset. We need to see people trains of thought if we want to make a judgement.
8 ) Voting last minute for Vorte without a word of explanation. The Vdti quote at the top was the thing that swung me. If I had the Vorte reasoning written down I might not have made the same choice.
Of course I have made mistakes too. For example holding off on killing Delling was useful to gain extra info, even though it meant a rush on Saturday afternoon. I'm sure a few more will get listed soon :)
The 2 scum kills that Kawe got more than make up for the above list. I don't want to sound over critical. Mouseh and Yoica deaths were huge wins for us. Now that Kawe has posted his info most of the above problems can be worked out. I will read through the list tomorrow and we can get back to scum hunting.
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6) There is a reason this thread has dried up. That is because all the logic has moved else where. There is no information coming anymore. I posted today about Kendo and Vorte. Nothing from Shiftey or Kawe...
7) Thinking that two people looking at the same data will always come to the same conclusion. That is what you are saying when you say "all you have to do is read the thread". Many eminent scientist spend their lives disagreeing about the same dataset. We need to see people trains of thought if we want to make a judgement.
Just gonna pick up on these. My gripe is that the very same 'all the logic' has been done by few people. There being no new information coming is, indeed a problem, and not one I've been able to solve nor can I, only the people who are playing but not posting or reading can do this. Which brings me onto the next point;
I'm saying 'all you have to do is read the thread' because that's the well from which you can draw conclusions... whatever they may be. I don't expect them to be the same, but I don't expect to have to keep being one of the few to be doing so, especially now that I'm pretty soon almost certainly dead. My problem is that largely, people aren't making judgments. They're just following the few people who are.
Part of vote changing without an attached reason was surprising indeed - that was the point. Generating reactions is hard enough as it is.
I did glance back through your posts, and it did at least somewhat reassure me you're more likely imperial than others; but when you get so worked up and bent out of shape on TS, and when I sit and think, heck, I don't even know why you were in the first place. Doing so certainly creates unnecesary doubt of you, especially when you said your vote didn't matter, when in the end it was the vote that decided it; had you voted Vorte, for example, even emptyy's doublevote on vdti would have not made it a Vdti lynch since they'd have then been equal but with Vorte reaching the highest count first.
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I was "bent out of shape" on TS cos we just killed another innocent and learned very little out of it. We are going to be 10-3 instead of 12-2 after tonight. That is 2 "lives" (mis-lynches) instead of 4.
I am annoyed about the whole "people aren't posting" thing being countered by posting bare votes. I think you are being silly to question me and I worry that your "well it's not my fault, everyone else is being bad" attitude might contribute to losing another game.
Your definition of deciding vote and mine differ. True I could have condemmed Vorte, but I couldn't save him alone. It was what they call a Hobson's choice, Vorte or nothing. So yes I could have "decided" the vote and gone with Vorte, but it was up to Emptyy to actually save him. Me moving my vote made the way I did made zero difference.
Well not zero difference. Me voting for vorte would have rendered Emptyy's vote redundant. I was interested as to how he would vote. I fear that now this is going to gain me nothing.
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The main thing we need to do now though use the thread to challenge the people we think are guilty. We are still in a good position at 10-3. This game is still on, but we need more information in this thread. I propose we all name our top three suspects before the end of today. Mine are
1) Vorte: Has posted very little of value. Apparently was trying to concoct a way for Kawe to have a different blue role and the scum role blocked Kawe on night two.
2) Emptyy: I can't see past him winning the captain election with both Delling and Mouseh voting for him. If they had switched Mouseh could have been captain. Maybe she didn't fancy it who knows. Kawe is pretty convinced of his innocence as both Yoica and Mouseh cast doubt on him. Emptyy being a rebel is scary as it makes 4-3 to the imperials a rebel win.
3) Kendoki: As I have said before. Shiftey is convinced as he is against everyone. I think that that is the easiest way to play consistent rebel. Just randomly accuse everyone.
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I agree that people arent posting enough (with actual informative posts), myself included.
I keep promising to do one then being too lazy to actually do it... I will do one soon!
I don't think its sus per se, but it is interesting that as soon as you've been questioned you decide to make almighty text wall posts tyler, some were quite defensive. The logic in them is sound in my opinion tho.
I'm confused as to why you're going after kendo, u seem to be the only person mentioning him. (lack of posts doesnt help this) The basis i can gather from your earlier post on him is that he's been randomly accusing everyone, he was caught on kawe for a while at the start i think?
After some quick checking i agree this is pretty sus. Did he make any big posts with reasons and info and such?
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at the time og dellings death. he had already posted that he was going out of town and it might have suited him fine to die and at the same time insuring the mafia keeping the captains position.
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remember to send your night actions to both Goza and I by 23:59 Thursday night.
Clearly confused by being blown up to pieces by rebel scum, Palmar-TO55-0P seems to be suffering from some minor malfunctions.
The deadline is 23:59 Wednesday night.
Yes, that's tonight.
Failure to comply will result in being hit by my magic wand.
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Excellent post Kawe. Thanks for putting the time and effort in.
I am also one of those people not posting enough, with not very much input. I haz been busy looking for a flat, writing CVs and looking for a job.
I realise I signed up for this so I shall try and post more and give more info.
Currently I'm going to stick to my guns with Emptyy, instead of defending himself he votes for me. Seems like I am an easy target and hes just trying to get the attention off of himself.
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The main thing we need to do now though use the thread to challenge the people we think are guilty.
3) Kendoki: As I have said before. Shiftey is convinced as he is against everyone.
I think that that is the easiest way to play consistent rebel. Just randomly accuse everyone.
I will play ball with you Tyler; for the sake of some conversation on these forums.
I agree the beginning of day 1 was very bad as to the point of suspecting people.
I was suspicious of the following people : Kawe, Starbrow, Tyler, Eetion, Instrikt, Chippen, Hugman, TTaM, Mouseh and Shiftey. Thats 10 people.
As i already said in one of my posts; i went into the game with the noobie mistake of that everyone lies. I saw rebel in every word written. After you, pointed out i was wrong with Kawe being on top with the votes, i re-read my own notes. I quickly realized i fucked them up, my notes of votes/supports/comments, etc... were completely wrong. I threw all my notes and the list of suspects away and started over. So i re-read, re-checked every post, after double checking i had 5 people being on my first suspect list, namely Kawe, TTaM, Intrinsic, Tronz and Chippen. (see my posts)
I vote Tronz, not able to check forums before the next morning.
The next day. Intrinsic gets lynched, so my list goes down to 4. Tronz explains his absence, i believe they are good enough reasons, he drops of my list. Down to 3. TTaM get murdered, down to 2. Delling makes the list,Blackwhale makes the list and Shankski makes the list. (see my posts) Up to 5. So my second suspect list consist of :Kawe, Chippen, Delling, Blackwhale, Shankski. While i am making my post Delling get shot, being short on time due to having a bqq, i stick with Delling on my list and let Kawe slide off, since he was 5th. Delling gets shot. Kawe and Shiftey, after some nice detective work, make short work of Yoica and Mouseh.Kawe falls off my list, Shiftey i trust to be Imperial, down to 3 on my list. Blackwhale get lynched, down to 2.
So its Chippen and Shankski left.
I take my notes and see again and again that Chippen is on it. So my third list only contains Chippen. (see my posts) So thats 8 people in total.
Now for example look at you : Arches, Shiftey, TTaM, Chippen, Delling, Tronz, Emptyy, Nach, Grax, Kendoki, Vdti, Vorte. Thats 13. These people you either questioned, voted for or you find them very sus.
Lets do another example, Shiftey : Kawe, Chippen, TTaM, Kawe, Arches, Mouseh, Tyler, Yoica, Delling, Blackwhale, Shankski, Vorte, Vdti. Thats 13. These people he either questioned, voted for or he find them very sus.
I can go on and on with different people, but thats seems a bit too much. So i dont get where Shiftey gets his data from where i r against all people, sure if he takes my retarded day 1 list, but i explained that in this post and my earlier posts.
You also said my posts are not constructive, yet i r one of the few who has put his thoughts/reasoning behind the people i suspect. I agree, my posts aint so colorful with quote's in quote's wrapped within more quote's or with fancy colors, but the thinking behind it is there. Perhaps not worded like Kawe or Starbrow, but sorry i aint them. Where the majority, just plainly votes, giving no info or very little.
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So i don't have any new reasons to vote for this guy but I did think he would be an awesome candidate since he has played quite good for his first game. I do not think that his two votes will make much difference and his kill will tell us something I do believe. Also hugman is normally right.
vote: emptyy
There is no vote during the night!
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Another night has gone. As the crew gathers to discuss further actions against the rebels, they notice a vocal person is amiss.
(http://i.imgur.com/6AsKR.jpg)
Kawe the Imperial Assassin has been brutally murdered.
It is now day 4. It will end Friday night, 23:59.
##Day
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Nice post Kendo ty. The silence is defening from the rest of you that didn't post. I still think we should all post our top three targets. Lets have em.
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Noes Kawe.... I kind of expected it to be honest, I was actually surprised he lasted that long.
My top 2:
Emptyy - for previously mentioned reasons
Vorte - Sooo quiet, played a much different game this time round
Still deciding on the 3rd one but its a mash up between Chipp and Arch.
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Okay, so here are my 3 suspicions now, very briefly:
Vorte:
His posts are short and with absolutely no content relevant to the game. In some of his posts, he supports Delling and Mouseh for captain, votes for Mouseh later on. He also says he could support the tronzwagoning on day 1, I'll just add him to the pile of rebels that did the same thing and call that suspicious. And his posts about the game is won and resignation on everything is either dumb as fuck or rebel way to try to destroy the Empire
He has to die
Emptyy:
His mega post on day 1 was nice, but I realise it was actually what a very clever rebel would do, cause that post actually brings nothing valuable, just voting records and some quotes and then absolutely random and terrible conclusion that I always disagreed with. Supports Mouseh for captain. Then offers himself for captain, sudden vote switching trend towards him (including me), one of them was Mouseh, she was leading in the votes up until that point and suddenly switches to Emptyy? Delling does same? Then he publishes his 3L list which turns out to be full of imperials... Jumps on Intrinsicwagon, he knew about TTaM being the cop. Took him a very long time to finally get him to shoot Delling after hours and hours of urging from number of people. And we still have no clue if he's a rebel or imperial but has two votes and that is dangerous for us
He has to die
Shankski:
I don't have to say much, I made a fairly extensive post on the matter, Shankski looks more guilty than anyone else left alive right now and I already said so countless times.
He has to die
P.S.: Rebels are afraid of me much? You know what I am talking about.
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Hmm you are wrong about me Shiftey, so are the others that think I'm guilty.
I've voted for people you suspect long before you have said anything about them in this case Emptyy. If he is guilty and you say "He has to die" how come I have voted for him for the past 2 days and will do again today. I have also suspected Vorte who is also on your "Has to die" list.
I'm defending myself due to the fact a miss lynch at this stage of the game would be really bad yo. I'm srsly you guys rethink your suspicions about me.
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As for now, the "accidental" trend towards Tronz is something I could support, but I won't be changing my vote from TTaM until I see how Tronz reacts to being accused. (We discussed it briefly on irc - he's gaining a few votes now due to inactivety and the level of his posts being in the lower end of the spectrum. That Graxlos voted for him was supposedly random, but it's really not the worst choice here, better than kawe, as tyler said.)
Is this the "tronz-wagon" you claim I'm supporting?
Sorry, I do not see it. I give reason for what I'm thinking, what's so fishy about being able to support someone that added nothing to the game? (Yeah, I realise I'll get shit for saying just that :P ) Sure, I did want to support Delling, he's a great leader (are you really trying to argue he's not?), but that was before he posted over 30 posts, or 50, whatever - you catch my drift.
You can quit calling me "dumb as fuck" right now really, I told you all over irc why I said so please..
As for my top three, they remain the same as last night, aswell as my reasoning; Chippen, Emptyy and Shankski.
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You guys notice the awesomeness? Vorte, Emptyy and Shankski all suspecting each other. And fact you both immediately got defensive about just some random post.
So who tried to kill me?
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Defensive? I'm replying to your post, you don't have to compensate so much, Shiftey..
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Could it have been the rebels Shiftey, just throwing it out there...
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You guys notice the awesomeness? Vorte, Emptyy and Shankski all suspecting each other.
well that makes quite alot of sense to me? if most of us suspect them then why souldnt they suspect each other? since as they are "greens" they dont know the others role
so i dont think you can take much away from that.
i however do believe that shanks is not a rebel and from my silly post where i voted during the night, LOL. i still believe that a lynch for emptty will give us the most information of the 3 you mentioned shifty.
##Vote: Emptyy
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In an effort to save my own skin, I'll switch my vote to Vdti, despite not beliving he's a rebel.
This is why I'm voting Vorte. It's a shame I didn't spot it on the night... Imperials don't care if they get lynched instead of another Imperial.
##Vote: Vorte
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Imperials who believe they can be a more important part of the empire than others do :)
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Imperials who believe they can be a more important part of the empire than others do :)
You have not been a very useful part of the empire if you are one...
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Every single guy that has been lynched\close to lynched have done this, other than Intrinsic, who actually hit a rebel with his vote, Tyler.. please, your framing is getting both sad and obvious.
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So explain to me Vorte how you were a better imperial than Vdti this game?
And framing what now? If you are going to make an accusation you need to back it up. Otherwise it just looks like you are flailing around trying to cause confusion.
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Imperials who believe they can be a more important part of the empire than others do :)
This post, and especially the smiley, makes me suspect Vorte
##Vote: Vorte
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##Vote: Vorte
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##Vote: Emptyy
Once again same reasons
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So I'm home from a long night of work, and now has a bit of time to read up :)
I noticed only kawe got killed so they must have hit an Bounty Hunter.
Anywho, As for listing the 3 Suspects on my list I've got:
Vorte: I most definetly believe that Vorte is a Rebel, I'm willing to post a wall of text about Vorte, as i think i got a bit lying around. But His recent comment about this game being won and his very defensive post in response to Shifteys list is also quite a Teller.
Emptyy:His aggression towards Kawe on the night Vdti was Lynch because of Emptyy last minute vote, and the fact that he actually had said nothing during the entire day - yet he didn't trust a 100% confirmed Imperial Blue - saying that nothing was 100% confirmed. (it's from IRC, but i'm not familiar with the Logs if anyone is willing to help me find it ill gladly find the quote.)
I don't really have a clear 3rd suspect, But after his also, extremely defensive post, im gonna go with
Shankski: Although i havn't searched alot for Shankski, i believe SHiftey have done quite a bit of stuff on him.
For my vote today, I'm gonna go with Vorte, he shouldn't have been here on day 4, as shiftey said recently it's funny how both vorte and shankski all accuse eachother and yet got extremely defensive from a post where SHiftey just points out who he think's has to go down.
So without much else
##Vote: Vorte
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Hi guys. I have my final exam tomorrow at 09.00, so I won't be active today.
And after the exam follows the final-exam-party, so there might not be any posting from me tomorrow either.
Facts about me:
- I voted TTaM as I saw him as a lower-risk lynch than Kawe (day 1).
- Delling and Mouse voted for me, ensuring that Mouse (confirmed rebel) didn't become captain (day 1)
- TTaM told me he was cop, and died the following day (day 1/Night 1)
- I voted Insintric to prevent TTaM from dying (day 1).
- I shot Delling when Kawe told me to pull the trigger. This led to Mouse and Yoica getting blasted by Stormtroopers (also by Kawes command afaik) (day 2)
- I voted Blackwhale. (day 2)
- I voted Shankski, followed by Vdti, as I saw him as a more suspicious than Vorte (day 3)
I see how the sum of these makes me look suspicious, and I won't blame any of those who suspect me for being unreasonable. However, I hope you will keep me alive, as loosing two imperial votes and letting mafia slaughter two of us the next night obviously is bad. On Saturday, I can contribute massively (as on day 1/2). For now, you will have to do with the updated voting-sheet as well as the results from my thread analyzer (which I just finished). Hope it comes in handy!
Also, I made a script to analyze this thread. These are the results:
Posts: 88 (33837 chars). Votes: Arches, Arches, Kawe, Intrinsic, Shiftey
Posts: 37 (14254 chars). Votes: Tronz, Intrinsic, Emptyy, Emptyy, Emptyy
Posts: 24 (5819 chars). Votes: Vorte, Kawe, Tronz, delling, Delling, Dellin, Delling, Emptyy, Blackwhale, Emptyy
Posts: 27 (9965 chars). Votes: TTaM, TTaM, Delling, Blackwhale, Emptyy, Vdti
Posts: 70 (49002 chars). Votes: Arches, TTaM, TTaM, TTaM, Delling, Blackwhale, Vdti, Vorte
Posts: 66 (41759 chars). Votes: TTaM, Delling, Delling, Delling, Delling, Graxlos, Blackwhale, TTaM, Vdti, Vorte, Vorte
Posts: 36 (14642 chars). Votes: Kawe, Arch, Kawe, Tronz
Posts: 24 (32487 chars). Votes: TTaM, Intrinsic, shankski, Shankski, Intrinsic, Emptyy, Vorte
Posts: 27 (7902 chars). Votes: Tronz, Intrinsic
Posts: 16 (2982 chars). Votes: Archz, TTaM, Emphtyy, Emptyy, Emptyy
Posts: 67 (45835 chars). Votes: Kawe, Kawe, TTaM, Kawe, Kawe, Delling, Delling, Shankski, Blackwhale, Vdti, Vorte, Vorte
Posts: 43 (32461 chars). Votes: Archz, Archz, Delling, Delling, Graxlos, Delling, Vdti, Vorte
Posts: 34 (28454 chars). Votes: Arches, Archz, Blackwhale
Posts: 15 (2235 chars). Votes: Vorte, Arches, TTaM, Delling
Posts: 43 (8875 chars). Votes: Vorte, Intrinsic, Delling, Shiftey, Blackwhale, Vdti
Posts: 17 (5189 chars). Votes: Kawe, Delling, Tyler, Vdti
Posts: 31 (39252 chars). Votes: Eetion, Eetion, TTaM, Intrinsic, Delling, Blackwhale, Shankski, Vdti
Posts: 8 (1831 chars). Votes: Intrinsic, Chippen
Posts: 27 (7288 chars). Votes: Tronz, Intrinsic, Blackwhale, Vdti
Posts: 24 (15963 chars). Votes: TTaM, Hugman, Tronz
Posts: 12 (14840 chars). Votes: Tronz, Delling, Delling, Tronz
Posts: 19 (7679 chars). Votes: Intrinsic, Intrinsic, Blackwhale, Vdti, Emptyy
Posts: 63 (22929 chars). Votes: Arches, Arches, TTaM, TTaM, Shiftey, TTaM, TTaM, Shankski, Blackwhale, Vdti, Vorte, Vorte
Posts: 6 (3600 chars). Votes: Kawe, Archz
Posts: 24 (20747 chars). Votes: Archz, Delling, Shankski, Shankski, Blackwhale, Blackwhale
Posts: 15 (13931 chars). Votes: Kawe, Tronz, Tronz, Delling, Shankski, Chippen
Posts: 35 (20189 chars). Votes: Shiftey, Shiftey, TTaM, Delling, Graxlos, Blackwhale, Blackwhale, Vdti, Vorte
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You didnt vote to save kesh, you voted cos u hopped on the bandwagon. Nowhere have you mentioned that you wanted to save kesh.
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Woah really cool stats man.
done by a bot or something?
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Posts: 66 (41759 chars). Votes: TTaM, Delling, Delling, Delling, Delling, Graxlos, Blackwhale, TTaM, Vdti, Vorte, Vorte
Something clearly has gone wrong? how can i have voted for TTaM after Blackwhale?
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My 3 suspects.
Chippen : reasons are known. His voting, his behaviour, everything about him reeks.
Sintrael : Been looking at you today;
You went for TTaM very hard, it didnt work and after Night 1 he was dead.
You supported Mouseh.
You stated all silent people are suspicious yet when Tronz take the lead from TTaM, you jump in hard to protect him while BUT when Blackwhale comes up you vote for him despite having voted for Shankski earlier on.
You stated the "no reason" voters are suspicious, yet : [
quote author=Sintrael link=topic=6168.msg102546#msg102546 date=1307478908]
##Vote: Vorte
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Overall your posts are a mish-mash of following, contraditing yerself, chaos and the meanwhile trying to direct things your way.
Shankski : same reasons, same feeling as i had before
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And for Info, before anything, I'm on a hard schedule at work, and have 9-10ish hours of work at the Casino every night until Sunday, so i will briefly update myself on the thread.
Interesting or rather odd, that Kendoki all of a sudden raises Sintrael as a suspect? just throwing that one out.. Not that i think he is a target of choice at all,
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Emptyy is still the biggest suspect in my eyes, alot of fishy behaviour
##Vote: Emptyy
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You didnt vote to save kesh, you voted cos u hopped on the bandwagon. Nowhere have you mentioned that you wanted to save kesh.
Actually, I did. (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101916#msg101916)
Woah really cool stats man.
done by a bot or something?
Yup.
Posts: 66 (41759 chars). Votes: TTaM, Delling, Delling, Delling, Delling, Graxlos, Blackwhale, TTaM, Vdti, Vorte, Vorte
Something clearly has gone wrong? how can i have voted for TTaM after Blackwhale?
It got picked up because you wrote a vote on TTaM without doing so in a quote
right here (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102392#msg102392).
Bot doesn't require bold around quotes to pick it up, as it then would've missed a good amount of votes.
/slap self for going back on the forums
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You didnt state, while you were voting, that you did it to save daekesh, to me it just looks like an afterthought when it was all over, you posted that u did it to save kesh way later as well, after the next night even tho u posted that night. To me it still looks like u just hopped on the bandwagon and tried to justify it later.
Because Kesh told you his role it weakens the strength of this argument and serves as the perfect reason for you to hop on the intrinsic train.
I find it somewhat inconsistant that u started with well reasoned posts.. then resorted to justifying ur own weak posts later on
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Eetion, there are 3 rebels still, so i posted my 3 suspects.
I have stated my thoughts about chippen many times and i have stated my thoughts about shankski already, no need to point them out once more, Sintrael might seems to stick out, but as he is new i posted my reasons/thoughts behind it which makes it look its a post all about him.
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I have stated my thoughts about chippen many times and i have stated my thoughts about shankski already, no need to point them out once more, Sintrael might seems to stick out, but as he is new i posted my reasons/thoughts behind it which makes it look its a post all about him.
It doesn't make a whoel lot of sense, atleast when i look at it kendoki. You say that Sintrael is "new"? and you have posted your reasons why he looks suspicious? I can't recall any posts that involves Sintrael being overly suspicious, so as i read this your reasons that Sintrael is suspicious are:
Sintrael : Been looking at you today;
You went for TTaM very hard, it didnt work and after Night 1 he was dead.
You supported Mouseh.
You stated all silent people are suspicious yet when Tronz take the lead from TTaM, you jump in hard to protect him while BUT when Blackwhale comes up you vote for him despite having voted for Shankski earlier on.
You stated the "no reason" voters are suspicious, yet : [
It really just looks weird that a new name pops up on a 3suspect list when there wasn't alot of thoughts behind it, when there is people who is far more suspicious than Sintrael is.
(Feel free to find any posts where you have elaborated more for putting Sintrael on a 3 suspect list, as i do not have time for it, due to being at work.)
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I must admit I have failed to follow any of Kendoki's logic all game. I think he is the least likely of my three suspects. Actually I am beginning to think we should lynch Archz before Kendo. Chippen's silence is defening.
I note that neither Emptyy or Vorte have bothered to vote. It looks to me like Vorte has given up. Emptyy posted a big pile of nothing. That bot might come in useful at some point, maybe for post match analysis. It doesn't really help us identify guilty ones though.
I think Shankski is probably innocent. In fact I think anyone who has voted today is probably innocent.
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I agree, there isnt much to go on Sintrael on first sight, but that might be some hiding also. Avoiding any heat and ride the wave of "who has the most votes i follow". By following the majority he stays out of the picture, cause why look suspicious towards him if he is following you right?
His votes;
he votes TTaM, with thoughts behind it,
he switch to Arches joining the first bandwagon,
he switches back to TTaM to join the second bandwagon again,
he vote Shiftey with some thought behind it,
he vote TTaM again trying to save Tronz,
he votes Shankski cause he overly defended himself,
he votes Blackwhale joining the third bandwagon,
he votes Vdti joining the fourth bandwagon even tho he still has a gut feeling about Chippen,
he votes Vorte, joining the fifth bandwagon, no reason given at all
now on this day he votes Vorte, joining yet again a bandwagon.
See what i mean? All he is doing is joining the main stream, avoiding any attention.
These votes are the ONLY votes we've had so far with no reason behind them, this is fucking weird imo
He finds the ONLY votes, fucking weird, yet he does it himself with his first Vorte vote (the fifth bandwagon)
I still find it utterly insane that in the time it took me to get home from work (1 hour give or take) that we have 7 votes for Tronz cos 'he's quiet'.
Loads of people are quiet.. why tronz?
I'm so weirded out right now you guys, some1 hold me
He finds it weird when votes start to pop up for "quiet" people. He does it himself with Blackwhale vote (the third bandwagon)
Looked at the cases put forth by various people, emptyy seems more innocent than vdti, but not clear in my view.
I still have the same gut feeling about chippen that i've had since the start.
But for now...
##Vote: Vdti
He has a gut feeling about Chippen since day 1, but he votes for Vdti anyway (the fourth bandwagon)
You getting the better picture now, as to why he is in my list?
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You didnt state, while you were voting, that you did it to save daekesh, to me it just looks like an afterthought when it was all over, you posted that u did it to save kesh way later as well, after the next night even tho u posted that night. To me it still looks like u just hopped on the bandwagon and tried to justify it later.
Because Kesh told you his role it weakens the strength of this argument and serves as the perfect reason for you to hop on the intrinsic train.
I find it somewhat inconsistant that u started with well reasoned posts.. then resorted to justifying ur own weak posts later on
Of course I didn't say why I unvoted TTaM?! Should I have posted something like "I unvote TTaM because.. wait.. I can't tell!", or should I even have said the reason?
I think it's weird that you question this. It's a fact that TTaM told me he was a cop, and it's a fact I unvoted him. If you think the reason is that I really really wanted to hop on the Intrinsic-wagon, because wagons intrigue me, then go ahead. Imo, your logic falls through.
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Oh By the way, if anyone were hit by an Night action such as Role Block - i suggest you speak up.
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You stated the "no reason" voters are suspicious, yet : [
quote author=Sintrael link=topic=6168.msg102546#msg102546 date=1307478908]
##Vote: Vorte
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just wanted to point out i think the bot will count this as your vote :p donno tho.
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14 Hours until Lynch, where is the posts, opinions, information ? Are the Imperials about to concede the game or are we gonna give these freaking Rebels something to fight for?
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Thanks Tronz, i see my failed quote is counting a vote for me.
##Vote: Chippen
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again i think you have to unvote before you can vote again xD
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Excellent post Kawe. Thanks for putting the time and effort in.
I am also one of those people not posting enough, with not very much input. I haz been busy looking for a flat, writing CVs and looking for a job.
I realise I signed up for this so I shall try and post more and give more info.
Currently I'm going to stick to my guns with Emptyy, instead of defending himself he votes for me. Seems like I am an easy target and hes just trying to get the attention off of himself.
So when is this Info coming Shankski? when the game is done, or was this just all hot air and trying to cover some bigtime ass?
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Any Imperial who does not speak his mind is useless and helping the rebels, right now it looks like the Star Destroyer is full of rebels, except for few individuals.
THIS FREAKING STILL COUNTS
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2. Inactivity will result in a modkill. Failing to vote, or failing to turn in your night action if you have one, will result in a modkill. If you get mod-killed, you will be banned from playing at least one future game of Iron Edge mafia. Sounds harsh, but inactivity really ruins the game. If something special comes up, PM me and Goza and we'll have a look.
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i dont now what you want us to write about dude. most stuff have been said twice and we have almost no new information from the last couple of kills. this is why we need to pick a target that is both a suspect but also someone that will give us information, either if he is rebel or townie. which is why i went with emptyy. i donno how much info vorte will give us. but its time to make your own mind up. read all the stuff again and decide.
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Vorte:
His posts are short and with absolutely no content relevant to the game. In some of his posts, he supports Delling and Mouseh for captain, votes for Mouseh later on. He also says he could support the tronzwagoning on day 1, I'll just add him to the pile of rebels that did the same thing and call that suspicious. And his posts about the game is won and resignation on everything is either dumb as fuck or rebel way to try to destroy the Empire
Quotes
2nd
I really can't ignore the same way of posting you did the start of last game, kesh.. The day is still young, I hope you can dispell the suspicion you seem to have planted in alot of people, even those who vote for the retard that's strong with force or whatever(Arches).
As for captain, I'm torn between Kawe, Mouse and Dell(I really liked that brack poster). I have not much faith in ET/Shiftey in this position.. :P I'll place my vote on Mouse for now, but that's only because I believe she'd be the least hurtful in that position should she actually be a rebel.
##Vote: TTaM
##Support: Mouse
He is torn between, Kawe and 2 Rebels? and he says that Mouseh is the ?least? hurtful person of everyone even if Rebel, some sort of way trying to push forward mouseh as captain?
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I realise I haven't contributed all that much, sorry for that - would be nice to have exams out of the way before this game got really juicy, hope I'll survive 'till the 5th of June :P
As for now, the "accidental" trend towards Tronz is something I could support, but I won't be changing my vote from TTaM until I see how Tronz reacts to being accused. (We discussed it briefly on irc - he's gaining a few votes now due to inactivety and the level of his posts being in the lower end of the spectrum. That Graxlos voted for him was supposedly random, but it's really not the worst choice here, better than kawe, as tyler said.)
I also note Kawe becoming awefully quiet today, but maybe he's just sleeping :P
Loving your rp, Grish! I would, like others have mentioned, appreciate if you did some reasoning within it, or do a few better posts concerning your choices!
before I forget.. Globox seemed upset on irc when I pointed out his tone was accusative(a word?), I hope that was not worth picking up in reality..!
He doesn?t really Contribute anything for the sake of finding anything he just says that he could support a bandwagon on Tronz but won?t change before Tronz has said anything, and if im not mistaken he didn?t come back to anything about Tronz after he had defended himself.
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I would not call Dell's play clever, Chippen :P
I don't like to see TTaM sort of slipping under the radar here though, us that played the first game surely must see the similarities? It's what my gut tells me, atleast..
I just don?t like he is referring to people slipping under the Radar, when all he has contributed with is close to zero and posts that doesn?t seem to bring anything but chaos.
5th
Woha, this is worse than a hangover after whiskey-wasted.
So what did our blues learn tonight? And can someone use the blasters they're given already? Not like Kawe did.. what in the fuck, did you consult anyone before doing that? :P
Again another useless post really..
Indirectly tries to get blues to reveal themselves? and questions Kawe?s shot on Nach, but still nothing that is useful for Imperial people, this post can only gain info that Rebels could use.
6th
Forgot to vote!
##Vote: Delling
He joins the bandwagon, with no reason, other than he forgot to vote, sort of rebel play trying to get under the radar when Delling clearly was sent to the wolves to try get some silence for the Rebels
7th
Not sure what to make of this, but I believe a vote for Blackwhale is a vote towards a better spaceship(following Shiftey's logic, GOD FORBID!)... good shot on Dell btw, afraid it doesn't change many of my views on things.
Unvote: Delling
Vote: Blackwhale
This is Vortes latest post, just after Delling got Gunned down by Emptyy. He didn?t post anything after we gunned down two Rebels the same day, yet he ?cheered? about the good shot on Delling??
His silence means he?s a bad/inactive imperial or a Rebel in panic-mode?
Also he says that even though Delling was shot down and a Rebel, it doesn?t change any of his point of views?
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Post by: Vorte on June 07, 2011, 12:48:17 PM
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Yeah, thing is - I feel this game is sort of "dead" and "won". We're 13 to 3, we got this - and who lives and dies is up to the group you are part of, Tyler(kawe, shiftey, grax and other trustiees). If I disagree on a lynch, I'll speak up! It simply feels that I don't have all that much to add, and as mentioned, the roles who actually bring us info have died. Right now Vdti is looking like a fair candidate, but I've still got my eye on the three I mentioned yesterday(Shankski, Emptyy and Chippen).
He counts the game as won already, he says that if he disagrees on a lynch he will speak up? Yet he havn?t spoken up about anything only joined the bandwagons.
Apparently, this wasn't orchestrated, and thus, to the sheep following kawe; Ask yourself - Who do you think is a rebel between me and Vdti? If you do believe that I am the one most suspicious, reading the last few pages, then sure, go ahead and vote my ass off this ship - if not, vote with your own head.
Trying to save his own ass getting Vdti back in spotlight.
These are my reasons mainly for voting for Vorte. It seems obvious to me that he is a target of choice and we have to take the shot.
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i dont now what you want us to write about dude. most stuff have been said twice and we have almost no new information from the last couple of kills. this is why we need to pick a target that is both a suspect but also someone that will give us information, either if he is rebel or townie. which is why i went with emptyy. i donno how much info vorte will give us. but its time to make your own mind up. read all the stuff again and decide.
You need to be banned from next game. And so do Chippen, Blackwhale, Archz. And probably a handful of other people for ruining this one.
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quote author=tronz link=topic=6168.msg102748#msg102748 date=1307700545]
i dont now what you want us to write about dude. most stuff have been said twice and we have almost no new information from the last couple of kills. this is why we need to pick a target that is both a suspect but also someone that will give us information, either if he is rebel or townie. which is why i went with emptyy. i donno how much info vorte will give us. but its time to make your own mind up. read all the stuff again and decide.
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Its such a huge disadvantage for us Imperials at this point.. it seems like we are 5 vs 9 at this point.
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Everytime I try to react to posts the loot of you just see me as more guilty, so I won't make some big post on "what I meant by this", I'll rather just post some info.
I'm a simple private, who has had other things on his mind, mainly due to the corpse of Nachmanoun moving in. I see now that we're in a pretty shitty position due to semi inactives, like myself, and I'll try to make up for it. (I have at the very least given reason for my votes before every nightfall.)
Just look at Tronz' last post, what in the name of the father, the son and the allmighty spirit. To make a right lynch at this point is a neccessity, and as such, killing me to prove I'm a villager is no use.. if I'm understanding the cries of this thread.
Chippen: He is laying lower than I am, and I doubt he has had a weird ass swede moving in with him, coupled with exams. But for some reason a whole bunch of you completely ignore that, same holds true for Arches. Have they not been a suspect from day 1, yet they have totally slipped under the radar? I realise it sucks having to rethink things as a lot of you are set on me, I just hope you can be arsed in this summer heat.
Emptyy: This is one fishy, stink-penis norwegian. He spends so much time on this game I simply find it hard for him to be a good guy. Remember, I do live with this guy, I haven't seen him as often as normal latetly. While his posts are thourough and seemless, I can't help but think it's what a clever rebel would do(as someone mentioned a few pages back.)
Shankski: I'm honestly having a bigger and bigger issue beliving he's a rebel, he just seems like a cloudy hipster having a bit too chill view on this game. He has fucked up, but we can't afford a misslynch at this point, as hath been pointeth outh several times, which leads me to the final oddball I've thought about over breakfast..
Tyler: Has been very set on who to kill, alot like last game, allthough he's had a higher hit percentage this time around! Which is great, until last night. He practically, along with Emptyy saved my imperial ass for nothing, as Vdti was also just a mere private. Did he just act a good guy in this sense, to after paint me as guilty as sin because I survived when it was out of my hands? I'll let you chew that one for a bit - I suspected Tyler last game, and I do this one aswell.
This is by no means a wall of text, it's just my thinking in a short summary, and I do realise I've been part of the inactivity that has stabbed this game in the side, and for this I am sorry, but I hope you will see that I'm far from the worst here, and even though I could respondto ET's useless textwall and explain it all, by not doing it you should realise "I'm better than that".
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I'd also like to note how Et has played an nothing but insulting character so far this game, and despite thinking so, he does not bring forth much of value whatsoever. He's nothing but a talking sheep, or a flustered rebel. Oh, and voting..
##Vote: Tyler
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I agree, there isnt much to go on Sintrael on first sight, but that might be some hiding also. Avoiding any heat and ride the wave of "who has the most votes i follow". By following the majority he stays out of the picture, cause why look suspicious towards him if he is following you right?
His votes;
he votes TTaM, with thoughts behind it,
he switch to Arches joining the first bandwagon,
he switches back to TTaM to join the second bandwagon again,
he vote Shiftey with some thought behind it,
he vote TTaM again trying to save Tronz,
he votes Shankski cause he overly defended himself,
he votes Blackwhale joining the third bandwagon,
he votes Vdti joining the fourth bandwagon even tho he still has a gut feeling about Chippen,
he votes Vorte, joining the fifth bandwagon, no reason given at all
now on this day he votes Vorte, joining yet again a bandwagon.
See what i mean? All he is doing is joining the main stream, avoiding any attention.
These votes are the ONLY votes we've had so far with no reason behind them, this is fucking weird imo
He finds the ONLY votes, fucking weird, yet he does it himself with his first Vorte vote (the fifth bandwagon)
I still find it utterly insane that in the time it took me to get home from work (1 hour give or take) that we have 7 votes for Tronz cos 'he's quiet'.
Loads of people are quiet.. why tronz?
I'm so weirded out right now you guys, some1 hold me
He finds it weird when votes start to pop up for "quiet" people. He does it himself with Blackwhale vote (the third bandwagon)
Looked at the cases put forth by various people, emptyy seems more innocent than vdti, but not clear in my view.
I still have the same gut feeling about chippen that i've had since the start.
But for now...
##Vote: Vdti
He has a gut feeling about Chippen since day 1, but he votes for Vdti anyway (the fourth bandwagon)
You getting the better picture now, as to why he is in my list?
Kawe has actually raised all these points before.
Thing is kendo is that a lot of reasoning for votes has been on ts/irc which is, i'm assuming, why my name hasnt come up before.
ALL my votes had reason behind them.
First vote to archz was literally me hopping on the bandwagon, following the arguments put forth, as i'm pretty sure i said, havent checked.
First and second votes for ttam were for the reasons i already gave.
The blackwhale vote was me literally asking kawe "who shld i vote for?" on irc
Same for vdti, but i agreed with this one based on posts.
And my vorte vote did have a reason, please learn to read :p
That first quote from me is retarded, you've taken it entirely out of context, at that point we had NO information on tronz, it'd been 1 or 2 days, i forget, the blackwhale one we'd discussed at length on team speak, loads of reasons on the forums were given, that i read and considered, but i still wasnt sure who to vote so i asked kawe..
As i keep stating with the gut feeling about chippen, thats not much to go on.. hence i've never voted for him but stuck with the votes with reasoning behind them.
The thing that makes me most suspect is the fact i supported mouse for captain, then followed up with voting to kill kesh. Which you failed to point out, making me think that ur just stupid.. I admit, that supportvote and vote were complete mistakes on my part, i was certain that kesh was red. Also, Pretty much everyone has voted with the majority more than once this game but u find it weird that i do it specifically?
Your post about me is weak kendo and i'm being overly defensive here cos your attempt to deflect attention away from you by pointing the finger at me is just dumb.
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Fair play for giving it a shot Vorte.
I don't think anyone will buy the idea that I switched vote to Vdti to make you look bad, but at least you made a post. I really regret voting for Vdti when I couldn't decide between the two of you. I feel like I punished the guy who posted more. I should have come off the fence to vote Vorte. The problem was I was very interested to see how Emptyy would vote...
We really do need to kill Vorte tonight. I will be at the pub so I will leave it in others hands. Don't make the same mistake I did last time. He is by far the best choice. He condemmed himself with the "I only voted for Vdti to save myself" comment.
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I fail to see how you did not see that you "punished the guy who posted more" until after.. That's not the Tyler I know.
Alike Tyler, I'm going out a bit to play some bitch valleyball, and then getting drunk.. so make the right call tonight, guys.. I'll poke by before we head out-out.
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In general i like and approve your response to my wall of text, you see it useless, but this is pretty much what we have got to go out from, not much, as you might see..
However as you pointed out yourself your one of the outstanding "oddballs" that are left, and that we've got some sort of case on, that we can build something around it.
Facts are though, that there not many other options, this poste is so late, that if it had maybe come out on day 3 maybe even yesterday - after you nearly got lynched, there might have been the slightest chance that it could be considered.. Your silence and oddness have just been going on for so long, so that when things like these come up, it looks like clever Rebel play defending himself.
But i'm afraid it is too late for it now, even should you be an Imperial.
"the chickens have come home to roost" is probably the most suiting proverb..
Atleast this is my view of things.
I'd also like to note how Et has played an nothing but insulting character so far this game, and despite thinking so, he does not bring forth much of value whatsoever. He's nothing but a talking sheep, or a flustered rebel. Oh, and voting..
To respond of my somehow insulting character, i'm aware that i did a quite a bit of it on Delling, but i wanted the reaction from him.
Lately these last days, the insults have more less been the only way I/we have been able to get the slightest response or reaction from certain players, who has either given up or just cant be arsed about the game. Either way, i do not think the insults have been miss placed and i will not withdraw them in any way, as i have seen it as an necessity, trying to make something happen in this club of inactive and silent players.
I willing to admit i have exaggerated some, but again i've seen it necessary.
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##Vote: Shankski
Same reasons as mentioned yesterday.
I'm sad to see that you don't find any value in who voted for who and when, Tyler. Afraid we find something?
/off for today (as mentioned yesterday)
SUMMER! :D
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The thing that makes me most suspect is the fact i supported mouse for captain, then followed up with voting to kill kesh. Which you failed to point out, making me think that ur just stupid..
Rlly?
Sintrael : Been looking at you today;
You went for TTaM very hard, it didnt work and after Night 1 he was dead.
You supported Mouseh.
Then the following applies to you aswell.
please learn to read :p
Then :
And my vorte vote did have a reason
You explained your Vdti vote.
Looked at the cases put forth by various people, emptyy seems more innocent than vdti, but not clear in my view.
I still have the same gut feeling about chippen that i've had since the start.
But for now...
##Vote: Vdti
And one hour later you vote for Vorte.
##Vote: Vorte
Between your Vdti vote and the Vorte vote not a single post, not a single explanation. Perhaps TS, i cant see that here, now can i? As i explain Eetion already, my main reason was to get a response out of you and i have.
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Don't have time to go into too much detail as i'm going out soon but i think vorte pushing for a vote on tyler doesn't make sense.. at all.
Tyler put some effort into pushing emptyy to make that kill on delling, i thought that was suspicious at first but then when delling was revieled to be a rebel, it went the other way and I actually trust tyler now.
##Vote: Vorte
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Don't have time to go into too much detail as i'm going out soon but i think vorte pushing for a vote on tyler doesn't make sense.. at all.
Tyler put some effort into pushing emptyy to make that kill on delling, i thought that was suspicious at first but then when delling was revieled to be a rebel, it went the other way and I actually trust tyler now.
##Vote: Vorte
Of course it doesn't make sense if you can't be bothered to read, really, how are you bunching up on me with carebears like this in the game? /rant off, playing ball in the park.
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##Vote: Tyler
Very suspicious! First I though you were just a blue trying to fly under the radar, but that grows less and less likely.
Also, you made Emptyy waste his instantkill on someone who was dead sure getting lynched? Leaving us less time to get a proper vote, and we'd still not trust Emptyy after it.
I think the plan was from the beginning (or quickly after it) to sell Delling down the river. I can't see any reason Daekesh would make sure telling two people, but hide the fact that he told Delling. I think Daekesh only told two people, because I can see no reason for Delling to pop up and go "yeah he told me as well" right before getting killed. Except if it was to cover for someone?
My theory is that Delling getting killed was to get the cop, exonerate Tyler and get Shiftey in the clear.
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so I'm on the ferry about to sail home. I have been trying to catch-up but I don't really see any new information.
I'm gonna trust kawe's judgement for now.
##Vote: Vorte
also you guys whining, we didn't do any better when everyone was posting.
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##Vote: Tyler
Very suspicious! First I though you were just a blue trying to fly under the radar, but that grows less and less likely.
Also, you made Emptyy waste his instantkill on someone who was dead sure getting lynched? Leaving us less time to get a proper vote, and we'd still not trust Emptyy after it.
I think the plan was from the beginning (or quickly after it) to sell Delling down the river. I can't see any reason Daekesh would make sure telling two people, but hide the fact that he told Delling. I think Daekesh only told two people, because I can see no reason for Delling to pop up and go "yeah he told me as well" right before getting killed. Except if it was to cover for someone?
My theory is that Delling getting killed was to get the cop, exonerate Tyler and get Shiftey in the clear.
The fact you are trying to factor me in in your weird conspiracy equations makes me wanna respond. I don't see how you can even possibly mention my name, you should read last .... hold that... you should read everything for the first time before saying something at all.
Also, how can you still question the fact we killed a rebel, that's just... thanks to that kill we confirmed 2 more and got them killed. Archz, you are fucking retarded.
Also, how on that basis can you even suggest Tyler is bad. Tyler is the one who keeps saying we should kill Emptyy. And you know I am all for lynching him as well.
But now, I am adding you to my list, cause right now, your post is full of unbased bullshit.
And about the Daekesh story, you know that he told me and Emptyy, and we suspect Emptyy from being a rebel. Story explained.
Add Archz to my suspicion list...
HE HAS TO FUCKING DIE!
So, Vorte, Archz, Emptyy, is my list now.
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Aye fine kendo,
The vote for vorte was discussed on irc/ts with shiftey and others yes.
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Aye fine kendo,
The vote for vorte was discussed on irc/ts with shiftey and others yes.
Yes, I confirm, I asked Sintrael to change his vote. That's my responsibility. And it was a good call.
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awh i just realised i forgot to vote and forgot to RP (ill do that tommorow or something)
i think vorte should die cause he killed me in the first game
so
##Vote: Vorte
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The crew's vote was unambiguous. The suspect was brought before Lord Vader. "You better don't fail me again."
Intrinsic, Blackwhale, Vdti. There was no need to speak those names out loud.
(http://i.imgur.com/Oxy0r.png)
Before Shiftey could push him out of an airlock, Lord Vader cut off Vorte's head with one swift motion of his light saber.
Vorte the Wookie has been decapitated.
It is now night, please send in your night actions before 23:59 Saturday. The rebel's kill-per-night has been reduced to 1.
##Night
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did the wookie has a personal cloaking device?
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did the wookie has a personal cloaking device?
(http://www.simplyhairremoval.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Panasonic-Lady-Shaver.jpg)
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hairless wookies scare me
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00:06 Arches ? fucking vorte, I am so dead xD
Kill him already
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I fucking knew it!
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I love the smell of burning wookie in the morning. Smells like victory. Now for our next target
This isn't the jedi you're looking for
Oh but it is.
I'm just having a huge laugh at how much you guys are "reading into" things :p
"You guys"
- Arches: lol.
I couldn't agree more.
After all this, you really think I'm mafia? :p You must've missed some of the irc talk and posts. I was stearing up some heat, trying to get myself killed by the rebel scum the first night by making some noice. Clearly I made too much
I pointed this out at the time. Not even Archz is bad enough to think that the best wat to get the rebels to kill him is to act like a retard. Basically, it's not an act. He can't help himself.
Arches doesn't play intelligently as a green. He jokes around and confuses people, and then wonders why they all suspect him, which, if he is Imperial, is counter productive.
If I were mafia, you really think that I would stir up some heat on the very first day? Every argument to lynch me I've heard is just "buhu he played bad the first game, let's kill him" and frankly you are either retarded or a mafia trying to score a early kill and hoping it won't come back to you.
Pay close attention to the votes, if all the mafia vote for the same person, they are likely to get a lynch since we no longer need the majority
This was a decent post. The thing is though that now we know most of the people voting for him were imperial. Only Dell voted for him and that was mcuch later(after I pushed him hard).
Fuck it, I give up. Good luck
I can't belive this worked. I think the main thing was Shiftey was conviced that the first person to get lots of votes was bound to be innocent. With hindsight I think he was wrong.
Are you actually giving up? I think it's better if you stay in -- we can't afford to lose any 'bonus' imperials.
Except Dell was a rebel. The only reason he would care was if Archz is also a rebel.
Anyway, you have brought this upon yourself Arches, by your actions. Unless we can shake lose another, better candidate to be Rebel (which as I stated before, at this point, there is no reliable proof whatsoever), it makes sound logic, to go with what I stated.
But is it? It might be better to keep an known idiot alive because you know him to be idiot. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Also we all know how Arch is, you just need to read his posts differently than most. He's a hothead and post what ever comes mind 1st which is were the inconsistencies appear.
Another known rebel rides in to defend Archz.
All I did was to stir up some heat trying to get myself killed during the night like a proper Private. Instead you follow Hugman and Tylers retarded grudge, have you actually seen me post anything suspicious? Yet he goes on about how I brought it upon myself? Next time just let the privates say suspicious stuff to lure in the mafia.
Also, "hothead"? Really? :p
Here we have the "I pretended to be rebel so that the rebels would kill me" retardation again.
Connect two nodes between your two brain cells and think Hugman.
Why would a private try to get the mafia to kill him during the night?
The irony of Archz calling Hugman stupid burns.
And wtf Arches :|
Here is the killer quote. Vorte the rebel is dissapointed with Archz.
If Archz was Imperial he would have been a _much_ better target than Intrinsic on day one. The scum would not have needed to create a bandwagon. They could have simply joined one. The lynch of an innocent would have given them a chance to discredit me, Kawe, Shiftey. It would have been too good a chance to pass up.
He is guilty, or if not the worst Imperial ever to live, we have to lynch him on principal. It isn't fair on the other rebels, the ones who actually played well, to have Archz as the last man standing.
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i get your points Tyler. i do see a pattern of rebels defending him. but if he really is a rebel would they all the rebels defend him(expect mouseh). would at least leave them very vonarable for the lynch next day.
00:06 Arches ? fucking vorte, I am so dead xD
i think that arches either said this because he wanted to plant some doubt in our mind or that he didn't think vorte was a rebel and could see his "logic" in voting for Tyler and realised after vorte was a rebel he would prob be the next lynch target.
I'm not saying arch is a bad target to choose but that it could all be unlucky/Bad play from his side.
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I still think pointing fingers like this "at night" is bad. If we start an archz bandwagon now, it makes no sense for the mafia to lynch him because we can do that ourselves.
If we didnt start an archz bandwagon they might actually kill him as they wanted to and then we wouldnt waste killing an innocent.
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Ha! Like the scum would ever whack Archz.
IMO posting at night is an advantage to the imperials Grax. It means people who might die get to say things they might not be able to otherwise. It's a limited information game. We gain from sharing ideas, the scum gain from silence.
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If Graxlos wasnt confirmed, I'd really think he'd be a rebel by now.
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I have said it from the beginning of the game.
Did you in fact bring new information or did you just inform the mafia who you suspect?
If you were afraid it would be missed you could tell it to me( a confirmed blue). Atleast one of use would make it through the night.
If I were mafia I would always kill the ones being the least suspected to create more doubt and suspicion. So they will most likely kill me tonight.
If archz was indeed just playing horribly (which has been seen before) and he had admitted to vorte being some kind of blue. They might have wanted to kill him. But they wouldnt kill him if it looks like he would be next.
I have just as strong suspicions about chippen, so no point telling the mafia early who we want to lynch.
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Just don't make the bandwagon for me unanimous at least, would be a total waste if I'm the droide :p And in order to not be a total blackwhale, I'll be answering questions all day!
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What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
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Vote: Tyler
Very suspicious! First I though you were just a blue trying to fly under the radar, but that grows less and less likely.
Also, you made Emptyy waste his instantkill on someone who was dead sure getting lynched? Leaving us less time to get a proper vote, and we'd still not trust Emptyy after it.
I think the plan was from the beginning (or quickly after it) to sell Delling down the river. I can't see any reason Daekesh would make sure telling two people, but hide the fact that he told Delling. I think Daekesh only told two people, because I can see no reason for Delling to pop up and go "yeah he told me as well" right before getting killed. Except if it was to cover for someone?
My theory is that Delling getting killed was to get the cop, exonerate Tyler and get Shiftey in the clear.
Why didn't this make your quotelist, Tyler?
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What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
It depends on whether you are talking about an African or European swallow!
The airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow is roughly 11 meters per second, beating it's wings 7-9 times per second.
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Vote: Tyler
Very suspicious! First I though you were just a blue trying to fly under the radar, but that grows less and less likely.
Also, you made Emptyy waste his instantkill on someone who was dead sure getting lynched? Leaving us less time to get a proper vote, and we'd still not trust Emptyy after it.
I think the plan was from the beginning (or quickly after it) to sell Delling down the river. I can't see any reason Daekesh would make sure telling two people, but hide the fact that he told Delling. I think Daekesh only told two people, because I can see no reason for Delling to pop up and go "yeah he told me as well" right before getting killed. Except if it was to cover for someone?
My theory is that Delling getting killed was to get the cop, exonerate Tyler and get Shiftey in the clear.
Why didn't this make your quotelist, Tyler?
Funny you mention that, I commented on it already. This makes you look like a terrible conspiracy theorist of a rebel.
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The lynching of Vorte:
Archz:Tyler
Vorte:Tyler
Emptyy:Shankski
Doomslay:Vorte
Graxlos:Vorte
Sintrael:Vorte
Tyler:Vorte
Shiftey:Vorte
Eetion:Vorte
Grishnagh:Vorte(last minute vote after the majority was more than conclusive)
Kendoki:Chippen
Shankski:Emptyy
Chippen:Emptyy
Tronz:Emptyy
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okay so just looked at what roles of rebels that we got so far(might have put the wrong role to person. but the roles are at least right)
delling Rebel Assassin
mouseh Rebel Assassin
yoica Rebel Droid
vorte wookie.
so thinking that at least all roles were used this leave us with a Jedi Knight and Rebel Scum left. so since the Jedi knight is the leader it would make sense if the rebels distanced themself a bit from him. so maybe we should start to look at who the rebels avoided talking positive about or just didn't mention at all or maybe even voted for close to midnight without it having an impact on the lynch.
maybe a wrong way to look at it but just threw it out there so i might be usefull for something (:
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Tronz, you are wrong, you need to read and pay attention. There's one rebel droid left. Kawe got roleblocked on the night 2.
Which btw is something noteworthy. 3 people have questioned kawe's role and thought he may be something different. Those 3 people were Mouseh, Vorte and Archz. Mouseh was dead at the time already. Vorte was not the droid we were looking for. So it wasnt him. Archz is the last left and if he's not the rebel droid or the jedi, I'll be surprised.
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ohh i missed that. well atleast something came out of it ^^
this does idd look bad do arches now.
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Which btw is something noteworthy. 3 people have questioned kawe's role and thought he may be something different. Those 3 people were Mouseh, Vorte and Archz
Well the FACTS are that last night one of our were gunned down by a vigilante.
And Kawe pretty much would've had to predicted that the vigilante would use his kill during that night.
[22:59] <kawe> nach, if I was wrong, sorry o/
[22:59] <delling> my favorite app is iNoob
[22:59] <Shiftey> !
[22:59] <kawe> otherwise, die rebel scum
And the vigilante who actually did the killing would've had to remain silent and just watch us trust the wrong guy.
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Dont make me search through IRC logs Archz...
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Do the Wookie keep people from posting, as well as voting? The vigilante could've told the wrong person (maybe even Kawe influenced him to kill Nach), sent the wookie on him and now he knows all our roles ^^
Disregard that last post, they can still speak
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Vote: Tyler
Very suspicious! First I though you were just a blue trying to fly under the radar, but that grows less and less likely.
Also, you made Emptyy waste his instantkill on someone who was dead sure getting lynched? Leaving us less time to get a proper vote, and we'd still not trust Emptyy after it.
I think the plan was from the beginning (or quickly after it) to sell Delling down the river. I can't see any reason Daekesh would make sure telling two people, but hide the fact that he told Delling. I think Daekesh only told two people, because I can see no reason for Delling to pop up and go "yeah he told me as well" right before getting killed. Except if it was to cover for someone?
My theory is that Delling getting killed was to get the cop, exonerate Tyler and get Shiftey in the clear.
Why didn't this make your quotelist, Tyler?
That one didn't make the list because it was so laughable. I mean you voted the same as the rebel scum we have just lynched. I didn't think I needed to point out how bad that is.
As for me getting Emptyy to "waste" his kill: it's only a waste if you are scum. Remember some people were not as convinced on Delling as me, Kawe and Vdti for example. The confirmed Rebel kill lead to us being able to nail the others.
The lynching of Vorte:
Archz:Tyler
Vorte:Tyler
Emptyy:Shankski
Doomslay:Vorte
Graxlos:Vorte
Sintrael:Vorte
Tyler:Vorte
Shiftey:Vorte
Eetion:Vorte
Grishnagh:Vorte(last minute vote after the majority was more than conclusive)
Kendoki:Chippen
Shankski:Emptyy
Chippen:Emptyy
Tronz:Emptyy
If you look at these votes the simplest explaination is that Vorte, Archz and Emptyy are scum. That is why none of them voted for Vorte or Emptyy. Occam's Razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor) tells us we should usually just pick the simplest solution.
The only question is who to kill first Archz or Emptyy. I think we should split the vote, but go for Archz first. I will eat my hat if he is not the droid. Who else would be dumb enough to roleblock Kawe?
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That one didn't make the list because it was so laughable. I mean you voted the same as the rebel scum we have just lynched. I didn't think I needed to point out how bad that is.
Definatly the first imperial to vote the same as a rebel
As for me getting Emptyy to "waste" his kill: it's only a waste if you are scum. Remember some people were not as convinced on Delling as me, Kawe and Vdti for example. The confirmed Rebel kill lead to us being able to nail the others.
All you did was to rush the kill. He would've been lynched. Imagine if we had Emptyys kill the day after and Kawe could've pointed him in the direction of Yoica or Mouse. Imagine what we could've learned then. Killing Delling told us nothing of Emptyy
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if we didnt kill delling then and there we wouldnt have killed yoica and mouseh or did you just happen to forget that arches?
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I expect I will die tonight as a confirmed blue.
My earlier accusation of tronz based on this post:
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101629#msg101629
According to IRC he logged on to ts at "18:26 <+^Irony^> [TS] * Joins: Tronz" danish time which means he logged on ts more than an hour before posting.
As far as I could be arsed to read up through the log, atleast Kawe and grish were online too.
Was he discussing with his rebel friends how to respond to the accusations or is it just a coincidence.
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As the crew gathered the next morning, again, one person was missing.
(http://i.imgur.com/JVDt4.png)
He might have survived one attack, but finally, the rebel scum got him.
Shiftey the Bounty Hunter has been brutally murdered.
It is now day.
##Day
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Hm, well I guess it makes sense that they didn't want to kill the confirmed blue that was going in the right direction. This way it looks like I killed Shiftey since he suspected me ^^
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well tbh this was the second time they tried to kill him. so i doubt it has much to do with what he said this night more like they wanted to get rid of an awesome player.
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Hm, well I guess it makes sense that they didn't want to kill the confirmed blue that was going in the right direction. This way it looks like I killed Shiftey since he suspected me ^^
the fact that you respond like that doesnt help you look less suspicious
##vote: Archz
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As the crew gathered the next morning, again, one person was missing.
He might have survived one attack, but finally, the rebel scum got him.
Shiftey the Bounty Hunter has been brutally murdered.
It is now day.
##Day
##Day 5 ends when exactly palmar / Goza?
Goodies, lynching Vorte was rewarding.
As for our next target, it seems that Archz have been resting peacefully on his ass, as we have taken him to be "stupid/bad" from the beginning of the game and actually havn't bothered to kill him. His very defensive posts lately and combined that he actually followed the close to same vote record as Vorte, He (Archz) should really be our next target.
Day 3
[Vdti.7]: Doomslay, graxlos, Tyler, tronz, Vorte, Archz, Emptyy
[Vorte.6]: Shiftey, Eetion, Kawe, Vdti, Grishnag, Sintrael
[Emptyy.2]: shankski, Chippen
[Chippen.1]: Kendoki
Day 4
[Vorte.7]: Doomslay, Graxlos, Sintrael, Tyler, Shiftey, Eetion, Grishnag
[Tyler.2]: Vorte, Archz
[Emptyy.3]: Tronz, Chippen, Shankski
[Chippen.1]: Kendoki
[Shankski.1]: Emptyy
Pretty stand-out votes
##Vote: Archz
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if goza is around it ends 00:30 on Tuesday morning
otherwise, it ends whenever I get home, I'll be midflight at that time.
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I agree with Eetion's and Tyler's posts.
Also :
23:38 Shiftey you know who, sent your night action to Goza and Palmar :)
23:41 Shiftey so I am 3 kills from Immortal on Devourer and we lose :( FML
23:42 Arches well if I were mafia I would've killed either you or Tyler :p
23:42 Shiftey well, you better hope none of us die now
23:43 Arches only a little bit
For me its pretty clear.
##Vote: Archz
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if goza is around it ends 00:30 on Tuesday morning
This. 0:30 Tuesday cause raiders r raiding.
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RIP Shiftey.
Just a quick reminder of the reasons http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102793#msg102793
##Vote: Archz
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Looking back, we know that ignoring the heat doesn't work, pleading your innocence doesn't work, casually acknowledging it doesn't work, and not really caring doesn't work (did for a while). So I'm gonna go with a full confession!
Yes, I am in fact rebel!
My first act as a rebel was to log onto IRC, say that I was looking forward to some murdering and landed some Jedi quotes. Since people didn't seem to take so kindly to that behaviour, my rebel brothers told me to shut up. Now in the end of the game I made sure to create a crazy conspiracy theory. And I sat back, waited for most people to finish their votes. When it was pretty clear that Vorte was getting lynched with only two people remaining to vote, I voted the same as my rebel brother! And before the nightfall I made sure to log onto IRC and say that I would've killed Shiftey.
And for the off chance that I am the Empire Droide, try spreading the votes a bit.
I for one think Graxlos was on the right path, and Emptyy did defend him quite vociferously in private chat.
##Vote: Tronz
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might have misunderstood you arch but it seems like because emptyy defended me in a Private chat between you guys and you think he is a rebel and that therefore makes me a rebel? why not vote for him and see if he really is rebel first before voting to kill a innercent guy he defended. the only reason to choose me was because you think I'm a easier target than emptyy so you can save your own ass.
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in fairness Tronz voting pattern fits with the three people eetion mentions. I wonder why you didn't mention that eetion.
tronz was also saved by delling.
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can anyone show me an action by tronz that makes him seem imperial.
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I don't think delling saved me. More that I started to post did. And just a reminder. Both yoica and mouseh tried to kill me/bad talked me. I'll respond tonight. Have some work to do outside.
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So Captain Emptyy, where is this "massive" contribution you talked about in your giant wall of useless information?
- Are you for once gonna help the Imperials kill the right guy? Or are you gonna pick a neutral pick again, that only leaves you more suspicious and standing out?
- Or are you afraid to be the last Rebel alive? and gonna wait until 1 minute before lynch time before you show up?
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can anyone show me an action by tronz that makes him seem imperial.
the only thing that made me think you were not a rebel was when you used your ability. so i don't think that that argument should be used on its own.
also on the voting thing. as I'm pretty sure i said at the time of the vote i was following others vote more than anything. i could understand blackwhale being killed for not speaking up much. i voted on Vdti well because i had to vote and tyler has had a good track record this game.
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Has tyler had a good track record?
It seems the people calling Emptyy an imperial considers the killing of Delling as a sacrifice from the mob. In this case Tyler could be as guilty as Emptyy.
Then he voted for me, Kendoki and Vdti...
The only succesful lynch was vorte so far and that was after you started following him, with his "good track record"....
Are you serious or rebel?
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Oh yes and he supported Mouseh for captain...
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The main reason Kawe decided Tronz was innocent was because both Yoica and Mouseh voted for him after Delling died. I think this reasoning is sound. Sure Tronz hasn't posted much and what he has posted has been a little incoherent. However this doen't make him our best bet for a lynch.
As for me, well sure I voted for you, Kendo and Vdti, but I never really went after them. If you look back through the thread you won't find walls of text about those. I was just poking you and Kendo. With Vdti I was poking Emptyy... Voting Mouseh was a mistake for sure, but if I'm right then so was voting Emptyy.
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=35;sa=showPosts is the list of my posts. You will find me posting quite heavily about Delling, Vorte, Emptyy and Archz. Two of them are dead rebels and two still live.
This is all a distraction though Graz. Archz is clearly our best target. He has just posted that he is a rebel, do you really want him around in the later stages of the game?
There is a reason he suddenly switched vote from me to Tronz, that is because you sugessted him as a better target. He obviously thinks going after Tronz is a better way to save his skin.
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I dont really suspect you Tyler, but I think Tronz' reasoning is a bit off, when choosing just to follow your votes blindly.
If Archz is not rebel he has been playing to apparently seem guilty.
Time after time voting for a rebel and then unvoting and voting for an imperial.
##Vote: Archz
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Time after time
I can only recall calling of the Vorte vote, and I cast that vote only to not get mod killed since I could be late from work
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Vote: Delling
Unvote: Delling
Vote: Shiftey
Unvote: Shiftey
Vote: Blackwhale
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well ofc I unvoted Delling, he was already dead :p
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I would like some theories about a who people suspect as the second candidate.
I have suspected just about everyone left in the game at this point.
Grish for his useless RP, seems green based on votes.
Chippen and kendoki for weird posts and votes.
Tronz for his voting patterns and his incoherent story about not being able to post but logging on TS 90 minutes earlier.
Eetion for his early accusations, also his latest post tieing emptyy vorte and archz together, when tronz fit the profile just as well and also chippen kendoki and shanski could fit it well. Just depending on what you want to show although I dont really see him as a suspect these days, he cant be that elaborate :P
Sintrael seems green by votes but has been quite quiet.
I feel that I have very little info on archz really, his late voting pattern does suggest him being a rebel though.
My guess would be Archz and Chippen/Kendoki.
A fun scenario that I really don't hope is true could be Tyler as godfather.
They start by him leading a lynchsquad against delling to make us all convinced tyler is Imperial, then he is safe to lead us in all the wrong directions for a few nights of murdering.
Then doubt starts to occur with all those innocents dead and then he leads us against vorte which then convinces us that he is imperial even more and then he can take us out one by one until we are all dead.
The main reason that this scenario seems invalid is the way that the death of delling incriminated yoica and mouseh. But such an elaborate mafia game would be quite funny :)
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I would like some theories about a who people suspect as the second candidate.
I have suspected just about everyone left in the game at this point.
Grish for his useless RP, seems green based on votes.
Chippen and kendoki for weird posts and votes.
Tronz for his voting patterns and his incoherent story about not being able to post but logging on TS 90 minutes earlier.
Eetion for his early accusations, also his latest post tieing emptyy vorte and archz together, when tronz fit the profile just as well and also chippen kendoki and shanski could fit it well. Just depending on what you want to show although I dont really see him as a suspect these days, he cant be that elaborate :P
Sintrael seems green by votes but has been quite quiet.
I feel that I have very little info on archz really, his late voting pattern does suggest him being a rebel though.
My guess would be Archz and Chippen/Kendoki.
A fun scenario that I really don't hope is true could be Tyler as godfather.
They start by him leading a lynchsquad against delling to make us all convinced tyler is Imperial, then he is safe to lead us in all the wrong directions for a few nights of murdering.
Then doubt starts to occur with all those innocents dead and then he leads us against vorte which then convinces us that he is imperial even more and then he can take us out one by one until we are all dead.
The main reason that this scenario seems invalid is the way that the death of delling incriminated yoica and mouseh. But such an elaborate mafia game would be quite funny :)
I know my acccusiations have been Early, but as i admitted earlier when Vorte tried to defend himself, that the only reason i do these, is to get reactions out. The people that are left in this Mafia game have all been quiuet, and all of us could probably be framed into some sort of mafia business. Although as many could be accusiated for the same reasons, some are more obvious targets to pick, because they give a kind of information that we can use for the next target. As for lynching vorte, we can tie up atleast Vorte and Archz, in some sort of way. Yes i might be insanely bad play from Archz but I think it is the right thing to do at this point, because he clearly isnt contributing if he has to use a random vote just to avoid a modkill, and therefor is better DEAD Rebel or not. He have survived way too long in this game on the solo reason for it to be that he probably was just a stupid Imperial and have been staying incredible low-profile and have been on nearly every bandwagon that has existed this game, with real reason.
- mnore coming, im at work so got limited time -
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My second suspect is still Chippen,
He was active during day 1, made posts, some phun intended some not, then explained why he acted the way he did day 1. Intresting to note : he did not vote for anyone for Captain for the reason :
As for Captain, well this is abit harder, I rather lynch a imperial then vote in a rebel captain. And I still feel abit jittery to vote for anyone who actually asks for the captaincy, which is something i'm sure rebels are doing. I also think that what emptyy did was pretty nifty, BUT could be a clever ploy by the rebel faction.
So, i rather abstain my captaincy vote then take part of voting in a rebel (Not that I actually think Emptyy is a rebel, just that the chance exists) Still got some hours left until the votes are counted so I'll hang back and see if my stance need changing in regards to the captaincy
##Unsupport: TTaM
He never did vote for anyone, which is intresting enough.
The moment day 2 started he did not do anything except voting. Has given little no info, which makes me think he is trying to dodge everyone attention.
Sigh
##Vote: Delling
Delling get shot couple of hours later, he then comes with the following post.
Thanks Emptyy, you confirmed it for me now
##Vote: Emptyy
Using a lynch on a target already pretty much lynched? GEGE
He switch to Blackwhale some hours later, cause Blackwhale voted Chippen.
Imma gonna go ahead and switch my vote just to make sure the false accusations gets their just punishment
##Unvote: Emptyy
##Vote: Blackwhale
I'm still highly suspucious of Emptyy tho
After that he keeps going after Emptyy cause of a gut feeling.
I keep thinking of who to vote for, and my gut keeps telling me to go Emptyy, so i'll go with that until convinced otherwise
##Vote: Emptyy
Emptyy is still the biggest suspect in my eyes, alot of fishy behaviour
##Vote: Emptyy
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Every single guy that has been lynched\close to lynched have done this, other than Intrinsic, who actually hit a rebel with his vote, Tyler.. please, your framing is getting both sad and obvious.
Gonna be a short post this break.
This is one of the best reasons you've got so far, along with the fact that Tyler actually lead the Lynch for Vorte.
If Tyler is a Rebel i take my hat off. But for now we got better people to kill.
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I've started on my extensive post, re-reading the >1000 posts with fresh eyes and keeping especially in mind what the confirmed rebels said. Will try to have this completed within 18.00 tomorrow.
For now my vote sits on Shankski, but (after having read a lot) not very safely.
Nighty night.
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Lol grax i have like the 4th highest post count or something, u'll also see that all my posts have been either after work or during my lunchtime. I go out on weekends so dont tend to check the forums. No longer am i a jobless bum with infinite time to screw around and play games. (not that i dont miss it...)
Atm i'm leaning toward archz as being guilty. He hasnt actually made a single post contributing to the game, he's either sat back and said nothing, defended himself or whined about being picked on. (re. his last post "hurr durr i'm a rebel")
I dont think a green would play this way as greens dont actually have anything to be afraid of, archz seems to think he does.
##Vote: Archz
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It's not completely done yet, but ain't got more time today
Tyler, Eetion: I presented data, which I personally think is useful for the Empire. Voting and activity is one of the few hard facts we got, don't forget that.
Also, gathering data and making an overview over voting takes effort (ask Starbrow), and I think it's slightly retarded that you find no value in it. However, you're not retards, so instead it makes me think that you perhaps dislike that actual data gets in the way of you convincing badly reasoned opinions onto others? Anyway, this is my interpretation of the data I previously presented. Hope you like it.
I have also mainly looked at who(of the remaining alive) have had opinions on confirmed mafia, and who confirmed mafia have had opinions about.
Day 1
General
No one except mafia knows anything, and bullying Archz seems like a common thing to do. Yoica tries keeping him alive[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101185#msg101185)*. TTaM, Kawe and very active, and also being suspected. I make the big sumup (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101287#msg101287)
Shiftey targets Mouseh, Sintrael and Delling defends her[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101305#msg101305)
Tyler starts suspecting Delling[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101486#msg101486)
Emptyy posts his lay-low-list: Blackwhale, Veilas, Vorte, Tronz, Insintric, Grishnag, Shankski[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101597#msg101597)
*Could be because he's mafia. Could be because they wouldn't mind Archz staying alive.
Captain
Yoica suggestes Tyler, Delling, Kawe[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101034#msg101034)
Sintrael agrees on Tyler/Delling/Kawe[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101070#msg101070)
Sintrael says he would support Mouseh for captain[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101218#msg101218)
Tyler and Sintrael says Mouse > Emptyy[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101496#msg101496)
Delling says neither Mouse nor Emptyy looks like rebel[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101497#msg101497)
Candidates
Emptyy
I doubt Emptyy will be the kind of captain to lead us to great glory, but in a game where randomity is our enemy, a sensible, thoughtful captain is a damn good choice IMO.
Kawe and Tyler are now voting for Emptyy. Who has the same (or less?) post count, it has to be said he did have 1 wicked post!, is suddenly the golden boy? Is that 1 good summary of what transpired enough?
Mouseh
Mouseh; made some good posts. Was mentioned as captain and did go for it.
Then switched. Undecisive; dont want someone that cant make up her mind as captain.
##Support: Mouseh
Mainly i think Mouseh have been making great sense, and as Yoica also said, she might be the "neutral" target for the Captains post that we need.
In my green zone: Tyler, Mouseh, Vdti
##Support: Mouseh
i would support Mouse for captain as well should she gain popularity, i like how sensible she's being.
Delling
With regards to who will be captain I agree with most people that Dell, Tyler or Vdti. Personally not Kawe for reasons previously mentioned.
Kawe
##Support: Kawe
Played very good the previous game, let's hope you're not scum again :p
it might not be of the best interest for the Empire to have their strongest player (should Kawe be Imperial) at their highest post
##Support: Eetion
Votes
- Vorte for not having seen Star Wars
Initiated by Chippen and Intrinsic.
Also voted by: Archz
Supported by:
Opposed by: Delling and Eetion (opposing early lynchvotes)[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101009#msg101009), Blackwhale[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101019#msg101019)
Slightly lowers suspicion towards Chippen, as I doubt the first vote to go out would be from a mafia to another mafia, even as a joke.
- Archz, for acting odd/interpreted as a useless player
Initiated by Tyler and Kawe
Also voted by: Starbrow, Sintrael, Hugman, Intrinsic, Sintrael, Delling, TTaM, Veilas
Opposed by: Delling and Eetion (opposing early lynchvotes)[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101009#msg101009), Eetion [2] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101147#msg101147), Blackwhale[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101019#msg101019)
Lowers suspicion towards Tyler, if Archz happens to be mafia. Slightly increases suspicion if Archz ain't mafia [1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101311#msg101311)
- Kawe for some dodgy posts
Initiated by TTaM, Kendoki and Sintrael
Also voted by: Shiftey, Ino, Delling, Doomslay and Chippen.
Opposed by:
- TTaM for some dodgy posts
Initiated by Sintrael, Yoica and Kawe.
Also voted by: Eetion, Vdti, Intrinsic, Vorte
Opposed by:
- Delling for being spastic, posting a lot.
Initiated by: Tyler, Shiftey, Eetion
Also voted by: Chippen, Intrinsic, Ino
Opposed by:
- Tronz for being quiet
Initiated by: Graxlos
Also voted by: Shankski, Mouseh, Nachmanun, Chippen, Kendoki, TTaM
Opposed by: Delling[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101609#msg101609)[2] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101662#msg101662), Sintrael [1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101645#msg101645), Grishnag[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101666#msg101666), Emptyy[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101690#msg101690)
- Intrinsic for Tronz defending himself whilst Instrinsic didn't
Initiated by: Tronz
Also voted by: Nachmanun, Vdti, Shankski, Archz, Graxlos, Blackwhale
Opposed by:
Day 2
General
Tyler encourages Emptyy to lynch Delling [1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101927#msg101927) [2] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102095#msg102095)
Delling saying Chippen, Eetion and Vdti are generally useless[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102069#msg102069)
Me making 4-parted post. Interpreting TTaM death [1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102054#msg102054), Nach being killed [2] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102081#msg102081), Ino and Hugman getting killed[3] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102093#msg102093) and suspects Delling [4] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102113#msg102113)
Emptyy daylynches Delling[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102166#msg102166). - Chippen[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102184#msg102184) and Doomslay[1] (http://[url=http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102189#msg102189) finds this suspicious and a waste.
Graxlos shoots Yoica
Veilas shoots Mouseh[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102268#msg102268)
Votes
- Delling for being spastic
Initiated by: (continued from yesterday)
Also voted by: Shiftey, Chippen, Mouseh, Tyler, Vorte, Doomslay, Eetion, Starbrow, Emptyy, Kendoki, Archz, Grishnag
Opposed by:
- Shankski for being quiet, and a few dodgy posts
Initiated by Vdti and Sintrael
Also voted by: Kendoki, Shiftey, Starbrow, Archz
Opposed by:
- Emptyy for TTaM-death
Initiated by: Chippen
Also voted by: Shankski
Opposed by: Yoica[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg101972#msg101972)
- Graxlos for being quiet
Initiated by Tyler
Also voted by: Eetion, Grishnag
Opposed by:
- Blackwhale for being quiet
Initiated by: Grishnag
Also voted by: Eetion, Veilas, Tronz, Graxlos, Archz, Kawe, Chippen, Emptyy, Shiftey, Hugman, Starbrow, Sintrael
Opposed by:
Day 3
Vorte suspects Shankski, Chippen, Emptyy[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102411#msg102411)
Tyler questions Vortes quietness[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102499#msg102499)
Eetion questions Vorte[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102499#msg102499)
Emptyy brings up the lay-low-list, suspecting Grishnag, Tronz, Vorte, Shankski[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102554#msg102554)
Kawe makes huge post, posting his thoughts[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102576#msg102576)
Votes
- Emptyy
Initiated by: Shankski
Also voted by: Chippen, Vorte, Tyler
Opposed by: None
- Vdti
Initiated by Shiftey
Also voted by: Eetion, Doomslay, Graxlos, Kawe, Tronz, Archz, Hugman, Starbrow, Vorte, Tyler, Emptyy
Opposed by: None
- Vorte
Initiated by: Kawe and Shiftey
Also voted by: Vdti, Grishnag, Sintrael, Eetion
Day 4
Votes
- Emptyy
(Re)Initiated by: Tronz[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102655#msg102655)
Also voted by: Shankski[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102668#msg102668), Chippen[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102689#msg102689)
Supported by: Sintrael [1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102721#msg102721) and Eetion [1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102671#msg102671)
Opposed by: None
- Vorte
Initiated by Continued from yesterday (Tyler)
Also voted by: Sintrael, Shiftey, Eetion, Kendoki, Doomslay, Graxlos, Grishnag
Supported by: Kendoki[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102686#msg102686)
Opposed by: None
Day 5
Votes
- Archz
Initiated by: Eetion
Also voted by: Kendoki, Tyler, Sintrael
Opposed by: Emptyy
My thoughts
I'm first going to quote my previously useless post and point out who of us have voted for confirmed rebels (sorted by activity):
Nick (number of rebels voted against)
Doomslay (2) Posts: 19 (5627 chars). Votes: Kawe, Delling, Tyler, Vdti, Vorte
Chippen (2) Posts: 25 (5930 chars). Votes: Vorte, Kawe, Tronz, Delling, Delling, Dellin, Delling, Emptyy, Blackwhale, Emptyy, Emptyy
tronz (0) Posts: 29 (11076 chars). Votes: Intrinsic, Intrinsic, Blackwhale, Vdti, Emptyy
Archz (2) Posts: 54 (12568 chars). Votes: Vorte, Intrinsic, Delling, Shiftey, Blackwhale, Vdti, Tyler, Tronz
Graxlos (1) Posts: 40 (12920 chars). Votes: Tronz, Intrinsic, Blackwhale, Vdti, Vorte, Archz
shankski (0) Posts: 38 (14327 chars). Votes: Tronz, Intrinsic, Emptyy, Emptyy, Emptyy
Kendoki (2) Posts: 22 (18939 chars). Votes: Kawe, Tronz, Tronz, Delling, Shankski, Chippen, Vorte, Chippen, Archz
Grishnag (2) Posts: 40 (20722 chars). Votes: Shiftey, Shiftey, TTaM, Delling, Graxlos, Blackwhale, Blackwhale, Vdti, Vorte, Vorte
Sintrael (1) Posts: 67 (26344 chars). Votes: Arches, Arches, TTaM, TTaM, Shiftey, TTaM, TTaM, Shankski, Blackwhale, Vdti, Vorte, Vorte
Tyler (2) Posts: 50 (40821 chars). Votes: Archz, Archz, Delling, Delling, Graxlos, Delling, Vdti, Vorte, Archz
Emptyy (1) Posts: 36 (42528 chars). Votes: Eetion, Eetion, TTaM, Intrinsic, Delling, Blackwhale, Shankski, Vdti, Shankski
Eetion (2) Posts: 81 (50756 chars). Votes: TTaM, Delling, Delling, Delling, Delling, Graxlos, Blackwhale, Vdti, Vorte, Vorte, Archz
Notably, Tronz and Shankski have not voted for a rebel. Eetion and Tyler looks less suspicious, due to their heavy rebel-voting. Most of our remaining players have very low activity (~Vorte).
Graxlos is a guaranteed blue due to him having used his ability.
I believe Tyler and Eetion to be town, because of their contribution and suspicion towards Delling and Vorte.
I think Chippen is town as well. The early 'joke-vote' towards Vorte makes him seem unsuspicious to me. I also think it would be weird for Vorte to post the remaining rebels as his primary suspects, though Vorte indeed is weird and could be the person to do something like that. Chippen also voted quite early for Delling. Delling also calls him 'useless'.
I'm still quite certain Archz is a private, due to his early reactions. Imo they reveal him as Private in a characteristicly Archz-way. I see how he might look like a rebel to people who don't know him well.
Grishnag, Doomslay and Kendoki I couldn't find much on. They've successfully kept under the rader, not getting (much) suspected, nor contributed much. However they all voted for Delling and Vorte, though not early. A bit suspicious.
Tronz defended himself decently on day 1, but has remained 'under the radar'. The fact that he hasn't once voted for a confirmed rebel is somewhat suspicious.
My vote
Sint - Private (took a whileto claim)
[delayed voting/supporting Kawe ?dangerous to vote captain?] ? echoed by Sint, Delling
[Delling agrees with Sint about Mouse being not guilty]
[Sintrael says that Mouse?s posts were exactly what he was thinking, and that he is supporting her
He defends Mouseh and agrees with Yoica on day 1. Initates votes on TTaM and Kawe on day 1, Shankski on day 2. He didn't vote for Delling, and have in my opinion been acting weird [1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102721#msg102721)
##Vote: Sintrael
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Adding votesheet for you to peek at.
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Sorry been inactive, been writing CVs and talking to employment agencies and shit
But Archz said he was mafia?
##Vote: Archz
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if people would listen and post their two suspects it would help a lot. then we can f.ex. choose to lynch one we all agree on and it gives us more information after the lynch about who wanted who dead.
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My vote
Sint - Private (took a whileto claim)
[delayed voting/supporting Kawe ?dangerous to vote captain?] ? echoed by Sint, Delling
[Delling agrees with Sint about Mouse being not guilty]
[Sintrael says that Mouse?s posts were exactly what he was thinking, and that he is supporting her
He defends Mouseh and agrees with Yoica on day 1. Initates votes on TTaM and Kawe on day 1, Shankski on day 2. He didn't vote for Delling, and have in my opinion been acting weird [1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102721#msg102721)
##Vote: Sintrael
Day 3
[Vdti.7]: Doomslay, graxlos, Tyler, tronz, Vorte, Archz, Emptyy
[Vorte.6]: Shiftey, Eetion, Kawe, Vdti, Grishnag, Sintrael
[Emptyy.2]: shankski, Chippen
[Chippen.1]: Kendoki
Day 4
[Vorte.7]: Doomslay, Graxlos, Sintrael, Tyler, Shiftey, Eetion, Grishnag
[Tyler.2]: Vorte, Archz
[Emptyy.3]: Tronz, Chippen, Shankski
[Chippen.1]: Kendoki
[Shankski.1]: Emptyy
How would you explain that Sintrael has Voted for Vorte 2 Days in a Row if he is a Rebel? In what mind would it make sense to follow Kawe's lead late on day 3 voting to possibly kill a Rebel if you were to be one yourself?
And how would you explain yourself not following on Kawe's lead, as Kawe by far been the one wing clipping the most rebels this game? Why wouldn't you follow a confirmed blue on day 3 - that also have 3 Rebel kills in his back from earlier?
Why is it you never voted for Vorte on this day 4 lynch, if you really were an Imperial when Vorte had quite obviously thrown his cover away. ?
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if people would listen and post their two suspects it would help a lot. then we can f.ex. choose to lynch one we all agree on and it gives us more information after the lynch about who wanted who dead.
Tronz and Emptyy
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How would you explain that Sintrael has Voted for Vorte 2 Days in a Row if he is a Rebel?
Because no one is stupid enough to play "the obvious rebel". With all of us, there are arguments for us not being a rebel. Mouse and Vorte voted Delling, and it's not unlikely that there were rebels participating in the Vorte-vote aswell.
In what mind would it make sense to follow Kawe's lead late on day 3 voting to possibly kill a Rebel if you were to be one yourself?
Ergo was following Kawe's lead and voting for Vorte a sanctuary for Rebels, making them look Town? WIFOM?
And how would you explain yourself not following on Kawe's lead, as Kawe by far been the one wing clipping the most rebels this game? Why wouldn't you follow a confirmed blue on day 3 - that also have 3 Rebel kills in his back from earlier?
I have followed Kawe, though not on that day. Why? Because there was close to no arguments on why to kill Vorte. At least there were posted reasons to why Vdti could be a rebel.
I saw a lot of you blindly follow his lead, without questioning. If that is your way to play, so be it, but it ain't mine. I think it's important to stop and think: "Am I doing this because it's reasonable, or am I doing this because someone else told me?". I stand by my choice, even though I see it's easy for you to say "I was right, you were wrong, ergo you must be a bad player / rebel"
Why is it you never voted for Vorte on this day 4 lynch, if you really were an Imperial when Vorte had quite obviously thrown his cover away. ?
Wasn't the main reason Vorte got voted on that he acted like we won the game? There were no clear links between Vorte and Mouseh, Delling, Yoica, and neither have I seen any today when I read through the thread. In my opinion, he was a lucky shot.
if people would listen and post their two suspects it would help a lot. then we can f.ex. choose to lynch one we all agree on and it gives us more information after the lynch about who wanted who dead.
Suspects: Sintrael, Shankski and Tronz.
Unsure: Kendoki, Doomslay, Grishnag.
Townie: Graxlos, Tyler, Eetion, Chippen and Archz.
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And for the off chance that I am the Empire Droide, try spreading the votes a bit.
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And for the off chance that I am the Empire Droide, try spreading the votes a bit.
The mafia will be reluctant in doing so, as it could be their downfall
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Empire Droid:
(on-death sensor, vanilla-townie to self)
You are a Droid, created to serve the Galactic Empire. You have been programmed in such a way that you don't know you're a Droid. If you get lynched, you will leave behind information about your death, giving away the number of Rebels who contributed to your lynch.
you dont know your a driod arches if thats what you are claiming
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Off chance = A remote or slight chance
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Out the Airlock please Archz
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Quote changed my vote
##Unvote: Sintrael
##Vote: Archz
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So in the off chance that Archz is a droid we will get to know how many rebels were among the lynchers. We currently have a 7 to 1 vote against him. So if someone wants to seem innocent they should vote for someone else.
F.ex. We now have only emptyy voting for someone else, that means that if we have two rebels lynching archz, Emptyy will be innocent. If he is indeed the droid.
This also means that if eetion is a rebel it makes perfect sense for him to make this last minute vote change.
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Look grax, the quote i did of Emptyy changed my my, if you wanna frame me as Rebel go ahead, but do it with proper reason :)
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my vote**
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~5 mins til nightfall.
Tronz, Chippen and Doomslay have yet to vote else they'll be modkilled.
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I really am stumped on who to vote for.. and with that i'm gonna go with arch too. His reaction to vorte being lynched has been more than suspicious.. its just been wierd.
That being said he's been bizzare all game.
##Vote: Archz
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You're either ignoring Graxlos or.. ;)
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Seems like we will have some modkills <_< Hope we get info!
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##vote: Archz
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with 5 minutes to go you both choose not to use a chance to be proven imperial.
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Fuck sorry. Forgot no edit.
##vote: Archz
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After their last target, the crew was certain they found another rebel.
"Just throw him into the ship reactor, I don't want to bother Lord Vader with this scum!"
And so it was done.
(http://i.imgur.com/Uvrzs.jpg) (http://imgur.com/Uvrzs)
Archz the Private has been recklessly lynched.
Lord Vader will not be pleased.
It is now night. It will end at 23:59 on Tuesday (today).
##Night
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So I am very curious about the danes..
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I still don't get what you mean by voting for someone else there grax, maybe because its late...
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"9...10...11... wait, one is missing!" As they were counting the votes, the crew noticed one person was absent. "Anybody seen Ch..." The rest was inaudible as loud roar reverberate thru the ship's corridors. Could it be that it... broke free?
(http://i.imgur.com/FHFVe.jpg)
Chippen the Empire Droid has been devoured by a furious Rancor.
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fkkn chippen
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So in case I get murdered I will ignore my principle about writing in the night and post about Eetion, doomslay and Tronz.
An hour before lynch time. When votes are 7 for archz and 2 for Sintrael, after the function of the droid was mentioned. Eetion uselesly changes his vote to archz. An action that changes nothing except that if he Archz was a droid(a rebel would know that he was either private or droid)and or emptyy or both were mafia it would be known to the world. If on the other hand they were innocent it would prove them imperial.
It did turn out that utterly useless chippen was the droid so we can only use it for judging the last minute actions.
Then Eetion goes on to claim that Im trying to frame him even though, Im a confirmed blue. If he doesnt want to be framed he should stop doing useless last minute vote switching like with the Vdti vote. Where he as the last person changes his vote from vdti to Vorte but without it gaining a majority. So he can seem innocent while an imperial dies.
Eetion did seem genuinely annoyed asking why I was framing him on IRC, so it could just be useless behaviour.
I dont know if Doomslay is just playing dumb.
Tronz posts in the very last second for archz without any proper comments, again placing a useless 9th vote on archz.
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Also Emptyy's excel sheet for day 4 is empty, wonder why no1 mentioned that.
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This is all im gonna link grax. If you dont believe that my quote of Emptyy changed my vote then your mind is set on me i guess.
As the crew gathered the next morning, again, one person was missing.
He might have survived one attack, but finally, the rebel scum got him.
Shiftey the Bounty Hunter has been brutally murdered.
It is now day.
##Day
##Day 5 ends when exactly palmar / Goza?
Goodies, lynching Vorte was rewarding.
As for our next target, it seems that Archz have been resting peacefully on his ass, as we have taken him to be "stupid/bad" from the beginning of the game and actually havn't bothered to kill him. His very defensive posts lately and combined that he actually followed the close to same vote record as Vorte, He (Archz) should really be our next target.
Day 3
[Vdti.7]: Doomslay, graxlos, Tyler, tronz, Vorte, Archz, Emptyy
[Vorte.6]: Shiftey, Eetion, Kawe, Vdti, Grishnag, Sintrael
[Emptyy.2]: shankski, Chippen
[Chippen.1]: Kendoki
Day 4
[Vorte.7]: Doomslay, Graxlos, Sintrael, Tyler, Shiftey, Eetion, Grishnag
[Tyler.2]: Vorte, Archz
[Emptyy.3]: Tronz, Chippen, Shankski
[Chippen.1]: Kendoki
[Shankski.1]: Emptyy
Pretty stand-out votes
##Vote: Archz
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I voted for Archz before you even been on the forum that da. So - wanna hunt some Rebels or are you gonna chase me down?
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So last night, we lost Archz and Chippen - both of which was Imperial.
As I've said before and probably have been said quite alot earlier. Although lynching Archz might seem bad, i can't state enough that his activity and his contribution to the search of Rebel's have been close to absolutely zero.
Early in the game he nearly "rage quitted" and from that point on he has just been voting to avoid Modkills and causing more suspiciousness around himself than good was. For Chippen i suppose he was in the belief he had voted, obviously 2 Imperials before the night Kill is annoying, but Chippen aswell as Archz didnt contribute alot and actually only drew attention from the rebels.
As for the matter of Tyler. I still do not believe Tyler to be a Rebel of sort, his general play of the game doesn't makes me think this would be the case. I do know Tyler pressured Emptyy to kill delling alot, but it gave us information which lead to killing 2 more Rebels the same day as we are all aware.
On day 3 many of us switched votes from Vdti onto vorte, and it was because of the talk on Team Speak very close to the time of the lynch, and i do not believe Tyler was there, it was main me, shiftey, kawe and Grish if not mistaken. Yes his vote could have changed it. But at the time being Tyler hadn't heard the teamspeak talk, and the only real evidence of a rebel was going for Vdti and therefor he hold his vote like it was. Unfortunate but its fair i guess.
Day 4 starts the votes along with me for Vorte and pretty much i think we all agree that vorte was the right choice of vote for anyone imperial.
something to note from day 4:
Every single guy that has been lynched\close to lynched have done this, other than Intrinsic, who actually hit a rebel with his vote, Tyler.. please, your framing is getting both sad and obvious.
I've linked it before - but didnt get it explained quite enough i think.
Vorte says that Tylers Framing around him is getting obvious and sad, said because Vorte is trying to save his own skin.
If this is planned out, that on the edge of getting killed, your fellow Rebel tries to drag your ally down with you? would you normally do this?
This could all be planned out, but again i must say i take off my hat if this has been planned out. But it doesnt make me think Tyler is part of the Rebels.
Standing out from day 4 was Archz, whom we then was unsure about, because of his bad playing and contribution and therefor we started a lynch on him at day 5, as he atleast wouldn't be that important if he was Imperial.
Right before Lynch time, we realise that Tronz, Doomslay and Chippen has not voted. Now in for the gameplay as:
Rebel - You shouldn't care if someone gets modkilled, its only for your advantage that more people die, as they are mostlikely Imperials.
Imperial - You should care about more people dying as it near to 100% your own ally that isnt voting.
Minutes before the Lynch both Tyler and I shouted on IRC trying to make contact to Chippen so that he could manage to vote, again if this is planned out from Tyler i take off my hat.
I wont take Tyler totally into the green-zone but im just thinking that it is highly unlikely that hes and Rebel in my opinion.
But enough of this, as i want to get back on the Track trying to get the last 2 Rebels killed.
Left in this game we got 8 townies and 2 Rebels:
Doomslay
Eetion
Emptyy
Graxlos
Grishnag
Kendoki
Sintrael
Tyler
Tronz
Shankski
I know its Night-time, but 1 more of the 8 Townies are gonna die, and therefor i think we need to post our 2-3 most suspicious targets of the list. So that the people remaining can use possible information this following day.
As for me goes.
Shankski, Emptyy and kendoki are the guys I've got on top of my list.
Shankski have been posted alot about, mainly a big post from Shiftey some time ago, and probably if we had thought it well through on Day 2 had been Lynched instead. He was very defensive about giving his role out to Kawe aswell.
Post by: Shiftey on June 04, 2011, 03:56:17 PM
Let's look on Shankski for a bit and start in chronological order of things:
Quote from: TTaM on May 30, 2011, 12:20:30 PM
Shankski: Wanted to be captain until somebody pointed out that it's very suspicious - then claims he's just having fun. A red backing out to allay suspicion?
Yeah, what?s up with that? Delling wanted to be a captain, you wanted to be a captain. More on that below.
Quote from: shankski on May 30, 2011, 03:44:44 PM
With regards to who will be captain I agree with most people that Dell, Tyler or Vdti.
You are suggesting 3 people for captain, one of them being Delling, maybe trying to hide a rebel among some more trustworthy types.
Quote from: shankski on May 30, 2011, 03:44:44 PM
A few people also still being quiet maybe due to work and other things, and due to the fact this thread is massive already. However, you need to step up soon and have some input before it starts looking suspicious.
Getting more people to ?spam? the thread only helps the mafia, as with Delling, look how much damn spam he did to create a bit of chaos. Not always are the silent people the most suspicious.
Quote from: shankski on May 30, 2011, 03:44:44 PM
I think its too early to start pointing fingers as we have very little to go on. Could be an early attempt for the Rebels to sway the votes.
This is the second time you said that in the thread. And then for the third time later on:
Quote from: shankski on May 31, 2011, 02:05:01 PM
Just read through most of it. Emptyy's post was helpful, but i'm not going to trust him completely for posting it and i think Mouseh would be a better choice for captain as she has been a reasonable voice in the game so far.
So..
##Support: Mouseh
I need to think more about who i think should be lynched, will post a bit later.
Not sure what to think of this. So you didnt trust Emptyy, you voted for Mouseh and then you go all congratulating him for the rebel kill we just have.
Quote from: shankski on June 01, 2011, 06:00:14 PM
It is still very early in the game and we don't have a great deal to go on.
Look how late in the game it is already. You said this 3 times. You know what, day 1 may be early but we found Delling was a rebebl with a very strong chance on day 1. So this is just a rebel way of seeding doubt.
During day 1 you voted for Tronz and Intrinsic, both of them because they were very quite. Perfect targets for rebels, we get no information out of this. And Intrinsic died, he was innocent and who initiated it? Delling himself! And what was your reaction?
Quote from: shankski on June 02, 2011, 01:56:30 PM
At this stage in the game it was almost guaranteed we would lynch a green, I'm just glad that a useless green was killed rather than someone who had put in some input and at least tried.
Obviously we can start analysing who voted for Intrinsic and maybe deduce a pattern by last minute switchers or anyone canvassing to get Intrinsic lynched. I am fully aware I may be on that list but in my opinion I made the right decision at the time.
Hopefully we will get some info after this night has passed too.
Yeah, it?s alright, green dying on day 1 is fairly alright I know that too, but looks like you are trying to cover your own tracks perhaps. And you say we could start analysing who voted for him and deduce a pattern? Well I take your word for it. I am just doing it. You?re guilty as charged! And it?s nice you are proposing a course of action but not taking the action itself. Very rebel-like to do so.
Quote from: shankski on June 03, 2011, 06:51:35 PM
Sorry about not posting much, been a lovely day today not paid much attention to the thread tbh. Will read up on the pages I've missed and give my opinion a bit later.
Yeah, nice weather, or maybe trying to lay-low and have an excuse for it?
Last but not least. You refuse to believe Kawe even a bit, creating scenarios under which he could be a rebel and refusing to reveal your role.
Quote from: shankski on June 04, 2011, 01:18:02 PM
I haven't post my suspicions cause I don't really have a clue atm.
If you lynch me you will be lynching another green.
Sint I did say the scenario where there was a possibility Kawe is a rebel. No matter how small the possibility may be its still a reason not to trust him in my books. Theres only 2/3 people I trust in this game enough to tell them my role and they already know it.
Vdti, I explained the possibility that this "evidence" is not 100% watertight, hence the reason im not willing to reveal my role to Kawe.
I really don't see the big problem with this. If you are in doubt lock me up by all means but I am a green and you guys will be wasting another lynch.
Once again refusing to be involved in any kind of finger pointing and on day 2, that is bad play for imperial. Not serving us well. So even if you are a green as you claim, you might just as well die. (So you claim a role in public thread, being green, but not to Kawe?)
By green you mean green role or imperial affiliation?
Plus you trust some people more than kawe? Despite there being a 0.000001% chance of Kawe being an actual scumbag. He?s the most trustworthy guy we have right now. And you say you shared your role with 2/3 people. So did you share it with 2 or did you share it with 3? Which is it? And why with them?
At the end are you really suggesting we waste a fucking jailor on your rather than keeping kawe alive for longer? Seriously?
Quote from: shankski on June 04, 2011, 02:35:25 PM
Good job el capitan.
So you didnt support him for captain but now what.
Anyway, after going through all that shit. I am very very suspicious of you. In fact so much so, I am going to do what is my only course of action in this game. Vote
##Vote: Shankski
As for Emptyy goes. I think he's been too silent many of these days, specially day 3 and 4. Yes it might have been exams. I there is still something unsure about him, and the whole fact that he has 2 votes can become very dangerous if he is a Rebel. Also he havn't been voting for a single known Rebel yet, besides Delling but he was thrown to the wolves.
As for Kendoki, i've been looking on his voting pattern from day 3 to 5. It might have been a coincidence, but the last 3 days he has been voting for Imperials only. which have awoken a bit of suspicousness in me.
The only thing that leaves me baffled is who that could have roleblocked Kawe in the night when he obviously already had used his shot.
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What do you think about Tronz?
Has he contributed?
Has he voted for any rebels?
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Tronz is a Valid target, but the fact that both Mouseh and delling went on to him makes me wonder.. But he is kinda the same as goes for Archz, Rebel or not he is better off dead probably.
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What do you think about Tronz?
Has he contributed?
Has he voted for any rebels?
you have only voted for vorte the 4th day as a rebel. everyone else has beeen green. i had been voting for emptty and it has yet to be seen who if he is a rebel or not.
maybe i have not contributed much but atleast i tried to give some imput. this is just not my type of game i guess (:
Tronz is a Valid target, but the fact that both Mouseh and delling went on to him makes me wonder.. But he is kinda the same as goes for Archz, Rebel or not he is better off dead probably.
how can you be better off with one less green?
also on a side not. im sorry for the late vote with no comment. i totally forgot and i was tired as fuck.
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also grax about the ts stuff yeah. if you check the logs im sure you will see i normally log on when i turn my pc back on after a raid as i put it on sleep and dont normally close down ts. im sure the case you were talking about was one of those.
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Lynching a green is ok if they contribute nothing. Archz only made it harder for us to find scum. There is a reason they left him alive. We shouldn't get too down about this. We will still be 7-2 up after tonight. That gives us room for 3 more mis-lynches, with one extra should we nail a rebel.
My main suspect is still Emptyy, with Kendoki or Shankski in second place. I will make a bigger post about this tonight.
I am going to Barcelona from Wednesday to Monday (Sonar festival, yay) so my posts may a bit less detailed from here on in.
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Again, the crew gathered. Again, one was missing.
"Maybe... he just got a hangover...?"
Someone took the initiative and knocked on his cabin door. No answer. The captain ordered the door to be broken. Inside...
(http://i.imgur.com/KfLOj.jpg)
Tyler the Private has been melted into his desk.
It is now day 6. It will end 0:30 Friday so raiders can raid.
##Day
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Btw we'll speed up the final days a bit. Day6 will still be 48h, but the next nights will be 18h and days 30h, so we shave off 24h.
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Ok so it seems the mafiadudes like to frame people.
Shiftey was killed to make Archz look guilty ( he was innocent).
Now Tyler is dead so I guess that should make Emptyy look guilty.
But due to him being the only player not voting for Archz which was very risky since the droid was still alive, Im pretty sure Emptyy is not mafia.
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R.I.P Tyler :/ Carbonited to death.
So for our Lynch today..
I think we need to go for either Emptyy or Shankski, they seem like the optimal choices at the moment.
Tronz is a Valid target, but the fact that both Mouseh and delling went on to him makes me wonder.. But he is kinda the same as goes for Archz, Rebel or not he is better off dead probably.
how can you be better off with one less green?
also on a side not. im sorry for the late vote with no comment. i totally forgot and i was tired as fuck.
If the townie doesn't contribute anything to the town and only just votes, that townie causes more suspiciousness around himself - leaving it easier for mafia's to hide, but also missguides the other townsfolk into lynching him. So for that matter, the town is better of without the silent/quiet townie than actually having him, as he doesn't give the town anything but trouble.
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Tronz is a Valid target, but the fact that both Mouseh and delling went on to him makes me wonder.. But he is kinda the same as goes for Archz, Rebel or not he is better off dead probably.
how can you be better off with one less green?
also on a side not. im sorry for the late vote with no comment. i totally forgot and i was tired as fuck.
Also, are you afraid to get lynched? something you maybe want to share with us ?
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Gonna go ahead and start.
Die ##Vote: shankski
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ohhh yeah sorry forgot to say. i dont want to die, surpricing :p
i do not want to get lynched because i dont want us(you) to kill another green.
also geaios i can follow your logic but then again they might think as you did and killed tyler so that emptyy would be safer since he has been a target for the last few days. we are also coming down to the put where his two votes does go a long way to who will be lynched.
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Yes we are back to. We know that they know that we know that they know.
But this was apparently why they killed shiftey instead of killing a confirmed blue like me.
So I suspect they are staying on that path.
Eetion and I discussed it and the way shankski and Emptyy has been voting it suggests that only one of them is mafia.
So if we kill Shankski and he is rebel, it somewhat puts Emptyy in the clear, I still think the droid argument is valid and that he seems fairly imperial.
##Vote: Shankski
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I'm getting concerned about emptyy,
He hasn't actually done anything useful in a long while and now that we're getting down to the last few players his double vote is going to count for a lot. I'm worried that its gonna tip the balance away from where its needed as he really has been acting suspiciously in my eyes.
On the other hand ET, you seem to have taken kawe's place as the """"""leader"""""" here, which i'm fairly ok with based on what tyler said to me. But i'm slightly sceptical toward your own innocence as well, just a gut feeling. Are you a confirmed green?
Not convinced about shanks, but he has been incredibly quiet since he defended himself, is he trying to stay out of the limelight?
##Vote: Emptyy
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Forgot to caps Shankski
##Unvote: shankski
##Vote: Shankski
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Sintrael are you not concerned about losing two votes in case emptyy is imperial?
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I am yes, but i'm much less concerned about that considering we have the majority atm. (Assuming he's rebel it'd be 6 green votes, 3 red ones)
TBH its slightly early to be using that as my sole reason for voting emptyy but if we misslynch tonight, and emptyy is red it goes down to 5-3 and they have much more power in swaying votes. If he's green then its 5-2 which is much more in our favour.
Obviously the later we leave it the more risky it is if he's rebel.
Its definately something to consider because if we're going to be voting emptyy as red at any point we need to either do it today or tomorrow.
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Thats why eetion and I suggest shankski today, if Shankski is innocent then emptyy tomorrow.
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[09:45] <eetion> hey sint, know your at work, but could i have your opinion on who we should go for?
[11:27] <eetion> Do you see why we go for shankski first?
[11:28] <Sint|work> not particularly
[11:28] <Sint|work> i agree he's fairly suspect from earlier in the game
[11:28] <Sint|work> but what has he done recently?
[11:28] <Sint|work> also, as i stated, if emptyy is red we need to get him today or tomorrow
[11:28] <eetion> emptyy and shankski have been voting for eachother for a long time, which kinda says that both of them isnt a Rebel atleast
[11:29] <Sint|work> ie. we need to decide whether we think he's green or not, like, right now
[11:29] <eetion> yea i am aware
[11:29] <eetion> which is why we have to kill shankski, depending on what shanks turn up as the other is very likely opposite
[11:30] <Sint|work> mmm fair enough
[11:30] <eetion> follow my point?
[11:30] <Sint|work> ya
[11:30] <eetion> shankski have been voting all days for emptyy nearly
[11:30] <eetion> these last 3
[11:31] <Sint|work> and emptyy has been voting for shanks u say?
[11:31] <eetion> the day we voted for vorte yes
[11:32] <eetion> and if emptyy follow us on this
[11:32] <eetion> and shanks turns up green
[11:32] <eetion> we nail him tomorrow
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Yes I've been talking to Sintrael about that shankski should be nailed first, so this is the reason Sintrael now is changing his vote now.
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Blarg, i hit post before writing anything else.
As i was going to say: This is the convo that me and ET just had on IRC, based on this convo and after checking his reasoning, its correct that we go for shanks.
Based on ET's own actions (his vote patterns and posts) and the fact he had support from kawe, shiftey, and most recently tyler (all confirmed greens), it's fairly safe to say that ET is green.
##Unvote: Emptyy
Vote: Shankski
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##Vote: Shankski
Derp
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Hmmzz, I've already said my defence numerous times. I am not a Rebel.
##Vote: Emptyy
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For me it is about Shankski or Tronz...
Tronz mainly for the following reason; he was the first to vote on Intrinsic with no reason given.
##Vote: Intrinsic
i have no reason at all to vote for anyone. So im just going to pick a random as everyone has a equal chance of being rebals
##Vote: Intrinsic
Then Graxlos voted for Tronz, starting the bandwagon on him.
##Vote: Tronz
When Tronz had 4 votes quite quick, Delling makes a big post about Intrinsic.
Here we go, my epic tirade on why Intrinsic is either a) useless or b) a rebel.
*****
##Unvote: Kawe
##Vote: Intrinsic
Seems to me Delling is trying to save Tronz here.
After Dellings post Tronz becomes rlly defensive; as to why not kill him with several posts, where the following 2 stands out.
Post 1:
aye I'm sorry that i not posting very much but tbh i got a bad result with an exam last Monday so I'm been very busy trying to find out if there is a way to solve the problems it created. ill try and get time to read up on the last 10 pages.
what i did notice tho was that shiftey said a lot of things that gave me the feeling he was trying way to hard to look like he cared, while making lots of drama. this could just be his way of playing ofc. but nothing to base anything on atm.
also on a side note those that don't speak up much could be trying to use what happened
last game. where those that didn't talk much was killed the first night. so they are townies trying to get killed to save blues. but it could also be a reserve trick, no way to know. nothing much can be made out of behaviour this early on. you have to get into the game so you can see a differences in behaviour.
some people are smart like kawe(just an example). he is writing in a very different way than last game. this could be because he is a townie and therefore trying to help us but it might as well be a new cover since we knew how he acted last time and we would therefore lynch him first chance we got.
the only tactic i see working right now would be is to get rid of the best players. so that it will be easier to spot the rebels because of their lower ability. this could ofc backfire and we kill of an awesome player that was a blue.
So he sticks with his vote for Intrinsic, while he is saying we should get rid of the best players. Now clearly Intrinsic wasnt the best player.
Post 2:
I'm sorry i pressed post by accident >.<
so kesh votes for me insted of going with who he believes is a rebel and just gives up insted of trying to convince townies! so if everyone does that then only the few people that started to vote for me has decided the outcome as the rest are just followers. seems wrong to me but yeah. as an imperial i will gladly take the hit to save the ship!
Here he is saying he gladly takes a hit to save the empire.
While today he is saying.
ohhh yeah sorry forgot to say. i dont want to die, surpricing :p
i do not want to get lynched because i dont want us(you) to kill another green.
also geaios i can follow your logic but then again they might think as you did and killed tyler so that emptyy would be safer since he has been a target for the last few days. we are also coming down to the put where his two votes does go a long way to who will be lynched.
Also he is unwilling to tell Kawe his role, for not trusting him.
Would the following people please contact me with their role claims, either via PM or on IRC, I haven't caught you online yet. Time is of the essence, please get onto this.
Shankski
Blackwhale
Tronz
Starbrow
Vdti
i dont really wanna tell you my role when i do not trust you. i dont remember seeing any proof you are a blue other than you claming it. might have missed it tho!
While later he trusts Kawe.
well tbh i think that we should listen to kawe as he can see a bigger picture than us(grax to, since they will share info and he is semi afk). like others have posted there is something wrong about vdti. but so is there with many other people! so im going to put my faith in kawe and hope for the best. LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!
##Vote: Vdti
someone said something about me and ts. i would just like to inform you that i only use ts during raids or when playing with others. if i logged on it was due to me being to lazy to close ts after the raid and putting my computer on sleep mode.
Also noteworthy he did not supported anyone for the Captain spot.
Conclusion : he is saved by Delling which is in my eyes very suspicious. When Intrinsic gets lynched because of Delling; he stays low ever since. Following the mainstream most of the time, giving us no further information.
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As for Shankski
He support Mouseh.
Just read through most of it. Emptyy's post was helpful, but i'm not going to trust him completely for posting it and i think Mouseh would be a better choice for captain as she has been a reasonable voice in the game so far.
TTaM and Shiftey changing their votes almost in unison seemed a bit suspicious to me, like they could be working together. However, TTaM made a good argument afterwards.
So..
##Support: Mouseh
I need to think more about who i think should be lynched, will post a bit later.
He votes for Tronz, following the bandwagon.
##Vote: Tronz
BTW voting for tronz due to a complete lack of posts. 1/2 posts without any input something seems off to me.
Would have expected more from him as we were talking about potential plans and strats even before the roles were assigned.
He jumps to Intrinsic, started by Delling because Tronz posted some random crap.
Well Tronz has at least said something to defend his cause. As a result I'm changing my vote to Intrinsic as I have not seen anything remotely useful from his posts.
##Unvote: Tronz
##Vote: Intrinsic
He aint want to tell Kawe his role.
Would the following people please contact me with their role claims, either via PM or on IRC, I haven't caught you online yet. Time is of the essence, please get onto this.
Shankski
Blackwhale
Tronz
Starbrow
Vdti
i dont really wanna tell you my role when i do not trust you. i dont remember seeing any proof you are a blue other than you claming it. might have missed it tho!
Exactly the same
He becomes very defensive when being poked.
1st quote I was just shocked about how carnage that night was for us.
The 2nd quote was highlighting that due to the current situation we are in, I can only see a winning outcome from using the jailor well. Obviously we don't want the jailor coming forward as the slightest inkling could get him killed by the mafia. I was purely suggesting a means where the jailor could find out who to jail, due to the fact the cop and tracker are dead we have no investigative information coming in. Of course this method would be susceptible to Rebel influence but to be honest I don't really see another way.
With regards to the assassin I was looking through the roles to see what blues we actually had left.
Someone obviously did mess up with their kill. However, theres a possibility that it is not you. This wouldn't be the first time you would of lied about having a blue role. Yes I did see the IRC log, but if you were Rebel you would be aware of the targets to be killed that night. Maybe Nach was already going to be killed and you just put his name in their to seem like you did a vig kill.
I'm not accusing you of this, I'm just saying it is a possibility that I have kept in mind and is why I don't trust you enough to tell you my role. To be honest there are very few people I trust in this game at the moment.
He applauds the Captain cause of the Delling kill.
Good job el capitan.
Then for the rest he votes for Emptyy cause of.
Nice job hug awesome colours too =D
Haven't trusted Emptyy from the start something seems dodgey about how he was elected captain. Hence:
##Vote: Emptyy
arch you missed the hashes you nab
Conclusion : he supports Mouseh, he changed from Tronz to Intrinsic, saving Tronz, again very suspicious. Becomes RLLY defensive when being poked, applauds Emptyy and then accusing him for the following days up until now.
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Awesome.... i messed up.
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Suspects: Sintrael, Shankski and Tronz.
Unsure: Kendoki, Doomslay, Grishnag.
Townie: Graxlos, Tyler, Eetion, Chippen and Archz.
This haven't changed much for me. I will post something heavier tomorrow.
##Vote: Sintrael
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Suspects: Sintrael, Shankski and Tronz.
Unsure: Kendoki, Doomslay, Grishnag.
Townie: Graxlos, Tyler, Eetion, Chippen and Archz.
This haven't changed much for me. I will post something heavier tomorrow.
##Vote: Sintrael
This makes me wonder Emptyy...
On day 3, when the votes where near to tie for Vorte and Vdti, with Vorte slight in front - You choose to go for Vdti (Green) instead of Vorte (rebel) leaving the deciding vote for the day.
The following day 4, Vorte gets lynched, being a Rebel, which you apparently call a lucky punch, but hang on isn't most of this lucky shooting then? since we got no additional info besides the posts and connections we can put together.
However on day 4 you didn't vote for a Lynch on Vorte but you choose to vote for Shankski? So you must be thinking Shankski is a worthy Lynch target? Atleast according to this:
Post by: Emptyy on June 07, 2011, 10:37:33 PM
Hi guise. Been away from the computer most day, which is why I've not been posting.
Quote from: Emptyy on June 01, 2011, 05:01:53 PM
THE 3L: Blackwhale, Veilas, Vorte, Tronz, Insintric, Grishnag
(I also mentioned Shankski afterwards)
Now, 3/7 are dead. Two Private, one Stormtrooper. The remaining looks increasingly suspicious to me. This is also why I don't oppose voting for one of the remaining (Vorte, Tronz, Grishnag, Shankski). Though I wonder about the reasoning behind the sudden Vorte-train, other than the fact that he has been silent and that he has a bad attitude ("Chill, we've won"). Do we blindly follow Kawes command without thinking for ourselves?
The reasoning behind Vdti-voting is more solid, though I also think that it's a bit too thin for him to get my vote. It's seems too me that people easily chew over the "OH, OUR REBEL X SUPPORTED Y, HENCE Y MUST BE REBEL" or visa versa. Don't we believe that our fellow maifa-guildmembers has braincells enough to spread their votes, support and opinions to prevent everyone getting lynched if one of them go down?
##Vote: Shankski
Due to his lack of posts, his unwillingness to give his role to Kawe while saying he's green and his negative thinking ('we don't have much to go on').
Quote from: shankski on June 01, 2011, 06:00:14 PM
With regards to Emptyy, I haven't posted a considerable amount because I have nothing to add that others haven't already said. It is still very early in the game and we don't have a great deal to go on.
This one was quite early, though things didn't pick up for you shankski? You didn't post much more when there was more to go on.
Quote from: http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102176#msg102176
I haven't post my suspicions cause I don't really have a clue atm.
If you lynch me you will be lynching another green.
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Vdti, I explained the possibility that this "evidence" is not 100% watertight, hence the reason im not willing to reveal my role to Kawe.
Quote from: http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102428#msg102428
I think the posting has mainly dried up due to the fact we have lost our blues that can track and investigate. This results in no real fresh info coming in
Quote from: http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102176#msg102176
I haven't post my suspicions cause I don't really have a clue atm.
Quote from: shankski on June 03, 2011, 09:10:15 PM
Quote from: tronz on June 03, 2011, 09:09:14 PM
Quote from: Kawe on June 03, 2011, 08:02:09 PM
Would the following people please contact me with their role claims, either via PM or on IRC, I haven't caught you online yet. Time is of the essence, please get onto this.
Shankski
Blackwhale
Tronz
Starbrow
Vdti
i dont really wanna tell you my role when i do not trust you. i dont remember seeing any proof you are a blue other than you claming it. might have missed it tho!
Exactly the same
And now you vote for Sintrael again, yet Shankski was on your top priority?
Care to explain this a bit?
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Hmmzz, I've already said my defence numerous times. I am not a Rebel.
##Vote: Emptyy
Care to explain why Vorte comes in your defense on the edge of his own downfall?
Post by: Vorte on June 10, 2011, 11:50:56 AM
Everytime I try to react to posts the loot of you just see me as more guilty, so I won't make some big post on "what I meant by this", I'll rather just post some info.
I'm a simple private, who has had other things on his mind, mainly due to the corpse of Nachmanoun moving in. I see now that we're in a pretty shitty position due to semi inactives, like myself, and I'll try to make up for it. (I have at the very least given reason for my votes before every nightfall.)
Just look at Tronz' last post, what in the name of the father, the son and the allmighty spirit. To make a right lynch at this point is a neccessity, and as such, killing me to prove I'm a villager is no use.. if I'm understanding the cries of this thread.
Chippen: He is laying lower than I am, and I doubt he has had a weird ass swede moving in with him, coupled with exams. But for some reason a whole bunch of you completely ignore that, same holds true for Arches. Have they not been a suspect from day 1, yet they have totally slipped under the radar? I realise it sucks having to rethink things as a lot of you are set on me, I just hope you can be arsed in this summer heat.
Emptyy: This is one fishy, stink-penis norwegian. He spends so much time on this game I simply find it hard for him to be a good guy. Remember, I do live with this guy, I haven't seen him as often as normal latetly. While his posts are thourough and seemless, I can't help but think it's what a clever rebel would do(as someone mentioned a few pages back.)
Shankski: I'm honestly having a bigger and bigger issue beliving he's a rebel, he just seems like a cloudy hipster having a bit too chill view on this game. He has fucked up, but we can't afford a misslynch at this point, as hath been pointeth outh several times, which leads me to the final oddball I've thought about over breakfast..
Tyler: Has been very set on who to kill, alot like last game, allthough he's had a higher hit percentage this time around! Which is great, until last night. He practically, along with Emptyy saved my imperial ass for nothing, as Vdti was also just a mere private. Did he just act a good guy in this sense, to after paint me as guilty as sin because I survived when it was out of my hands? I'll let you chew that one for a bit - I suspected Tyler last game, and I do this one aswell.
This is by no means a wall of text, it's just my thinking in a short summary, and I do realise I've been part of the inactivity that has stabbed this game in the side, and for this I am sorry, but I hope you will see that I'm far from the worst here, and even though I could respondto ET's useless textwall and explain it all, by not doing it you should realise "I'm better than that".
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Quote cocked up my vote AGAIN.
##Vote: Shankski
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And now you vote for Sintrael again, yet Shankski was on your top priority?
Care to explain this a bit?
I've started on my extensive post, re-reading the >1000 posts with fresh eyes and keeping especially in mind what the confirmed rebels said. Will try to have this completed within 18.00 tomorrow.
For now my vote sits on Shankski, but (after having read a lot) not very safely.
The reason I changed my vote was that I re-read the entire thread, and saw a few things I had previously overlooked. Shankski is still one of my favorite suspects, as mentioned in a later post.
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Saying you saw some things that you 'overlooked' is a bit of a vague excuse.
Care to clarify?
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So i'm curious, what is it the people left Alive doesn't understand? - We are 7 to 2 in advantages, yet 4 of us is missing to Vote? are the Imperials left alive, besides a couple, wanting to lose this game or what? get posting, get contributing....
Silent townies equals useless townies
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I'm game with voting for shankski, It does make sense.. judging by whats being going on atleast either Emptyy or shank are baddies.
I think if it gets close to lynch time and everyone's voted for shank we might need to re-consider it being wrong though.
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##Vote: Shankski
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##Vote: Shankski
With the arguments said by others and my own, he is more sus then Tronz.
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i do get your point that if either shanks or emptyy is a rebel that we should go for shanks first. but i have talked quit a lot with him over the course of this game and he has told me he is not a rebel and i believe him as he is a terrible liar and as of my votes before i do think emptyy should be lynched. i do know must of you think I'm a rebel and will therefore not trust my judgement.
##vote: Emptyy
ohh and btw if you didnt know. shanks is at a job interview so that is the reason he is not defending himselve atm i guess (:
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i do get your point that if either shanks or emptyy is a rebel that we should go for shanks first. but i have talked quit a lot with him over the course of this game and he has told me he is not a rebel and i believe him as he is a terrible liar and as of my votes before i do think emptyy should be lynched. i do know must of you think I'm a rebel and will therefore not trust my judgement.
##vote: Emptyy
ohh and btw if you didnt know. shanks is at a job interview so that is the reason he is not defending himselve atm i guess (:
1st of all Tronz, yes, we have to basic reason to trust you as you've been doing nothing the entire game, Rebel or not, we don't have a clue who your playing for and against, basicly your just "there".
2nd. For the matter of shankski. He has about 8 hours until the lynch, and Vorte Defending him as his last actions going before getting taken down, leaves me to think nothing good of him. Shankski aswell havn't been very useful and have been suspected for quite some time. But i still want a response from him.
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Me, Archz, Nachmanun and Vorte (call us the drinking suspicious squard if you will - I feel it could be fitting) are drinking beer followed by beer.
As for Sintrael saying that "overlooking" things the first time you read it is a vague excuse, let me just recommend everyone rereading a few 'old' pages. It looks quite a bit clearer to you when you know Vorte, Delling, Yoica and Mouse were rebels.
I don't think it's vague, if even an excuse at all. RE-READ A FEW OLD PAGES!
Again I think it's weird you question this.
##Vote: Sintrael
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##Vote: Emptyy
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Why no RP Grish?
##Vote: Emptyy
Slacking a bit?
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##Vote: Emptyy
Im gonna stir it up a bit.
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I forgot to unvote do I need to?
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Im tired of Emptyy being the Captain and not participating in the game for the last several lynches he has voted for someone that he was sure wouldnt get killed, so he cant be tied to a lynch.
Even now when he agrees that shankski is rebel he refuses to support the vote. I dont buy it!
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Also in regard to the earlier discussed risk of losing two imperial votes, what good are his votes if he is never gonna vote with us?
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(http://i.imgur.com/7HHcv.jpg)
Shankski the Alderaanian has been vaporized.
It is now night, which will end at 18:30 Friday.
##Night
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Mutiny time!
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Another greenie bites the dust..
I'm in the same boat as Graxlos now, Emptyy havn't done a single vote with the Imperial interest, he havn't done alot to help us for a fact.
So for Tomorrows lynch i suggest that you kill him, incase i'm not here to take the iniative, i believe Grax will do that in my place.
And shankski - Sorry about your death, but killing you gave information, as with many others, information that we need to possibly find the rest.
I'm currently at work - but when i get home i will do an extended post with my thoughts and how i think we need to proceed from this point.
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Yup, indeed Emptyy needs to die now.
Inconsistancies upon inconsistancies. They've both been going after eachother and then when the vote comes up to actually get shanks killed emptyy doesnt go for it.
Emptyy has signed his own death warrent imo.
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Yup, indeed Emptyy needs to die now.
Inconsistancies upon inconsistancies. They've both been going after eachother and then when the vote comes up to actually get shanks killed emptyy doesnt go for it.
Emptyy has signed his own death warrent imo.
Hadn't it been my birthday today, I would've posted a long post about you Sintrael.
If you don't kill me tonight, expect that it will come tomorrow.
For the rest of you: I know that going through a thread of this size seems like an impossible and useless task (since you've read it before), but when you know about the 4 mafia being mafia it starts to make more sense. Re-read a few pages.
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Throughout the night, distant whispers could be heard among the ship's corridors, the conspirators plotting their abhorrent scheme in secret.
"Like fire across the galaxy, the Clone Wars spread. Upon the Jedi Knights falls the duty to lead the newly formed Army of the Republic."
In the morning, traces of tampering were found at a cabin door's lock. This bode no well. The captain ordered the maintenance droids to force the door open. Inside, the rebel scum had left their mark.
(http://i.imgur.com/kwQL5.gif)
Graxlos the Stormtrooper has been brutally murdered.
It is now day 7, it will end 25:59 Saturday.
##Day
"Clear, your mind must be if you are to discover the real villains behind the plot."
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Go ahead... you'd be wasting ur own time and effort...
You never seem to defend yourself either emptyy, every time i say something you just press harder toward me when you've done way more to be suspect.
I admit i made the mistakes of following mouseh for captain and going so hard after ttam but i genuinely thought ttam was red and not just a moron. Other than that i've given all my logic for everything i've done. Unlike you...
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Clear route for me now is to vote for Emptyy, appart from the big post at the beginning none of his votes have been useful towards the imperials even with the large majority of us being decided - seems the best cause of action, even if he isn't rebel as it was said before what use is none of the votes being with us?
##Vote: Emptyy
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It is now day 7, it will end 25:59 Saturday.
the secret to german efficiency, they simply have more hours in the day than we do.
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Goza can't count.
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I see the arguments against Emptyy and i understand them, but for me Tronz seems more sus. See my post for the reason. So...
##Vote: Tronz
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So i'm curious, what is it the people left Alive doesn't understand? - We are 5 to 2 in advantages, yet 5 of us is missing to Vote? are the Imperials left alive, besides a couple, wanting to lose this game or what? get posting, get contributing....
Silent townies equals useless townies
Hello!?
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So ET is back from a hard nights work and a bit of alcoholic drinks after, headache and Mafia games are a bad combo - wheres tha painkillers :(
Im gonna be going through the thread today, its gonna take some time but i need to rethink some things. I was wrong on Archz and Shanks.
While i do this reading im gonna leave my vote for Emptyy, likely its gonna be changed as i read through.
His double vote is getting dangerous if he isn't Imperial, so him getting lynched will leave us 3 - 2 (if green) or 4 - 1 (if Rebel) for day 8.
##Vote: Emptyy
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as many of my other votes ill go for emptyy again.
##vote: Emptyy
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Seems my days are running out. I am working on my suspects/last guiding words, and cross my fingers you will listen to them tonight/tomorrow.
Meanwhile, here's my update on activity and votes.
Posts: 43 (66797 chars). Votes: Eetion, Eetion, TTaM, Intrinsic, Delling, Blackwhale, Shankski, Vdti, Shankski, Sintrael, Sintrael, Sintrael
Posts: 103 (64375 chars). Votes: TTaM, Delling, Delling, Delling, Delling, Graxlos, Blackwhale, TTaM, Vdti, Vorte, Vorte, Archz, Sintrael, Archz, Archz, shankski, Shankski, Sintrael, Shankski
Posts: 76 (31575 chars). Votes: Arches, Arches, TTaM, TTaM, Shiftey, TTaM, TTaM, Shankski, Blackwhale, Vdti, Vorte, Vorte, Archz, Emptyy, Shankski
Posts: 42 (21186 chars). Votes: Shiftey, Shiftey, TTaM, Delling, Graxlos, Blackwhale, Blackw Posts: 15 (7107 chars). Votes: [/quote
Posts: 28 (21915 chars). Votes: Kawe, Tronz, Tronz, Delling, Shankski, Chippen, Vorte, Chipp
Posts: 35 (12923 chars). Votes: Intrinsic, Intrinsic, Blackwhale, Vdti, Emptyy
Posts: 24 (6694 chars). Votes: Kawe, Delling, Tyler, Vdti, Vorte, Archz, Shankski, Emptyy
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I'm fucking hungover and in a lot of pain.
Cba to make a long post, voting for emptyy based on all my prior reasons etc.
##Vote: Emptyy
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After a little talk with Eetion and re-reading and redoing the math, i see the point of Emptyy's lynch.
##Vote: Emptyy
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Sintraels posts
[/quote]Supports -> Kawe
Votes -> Arches
Votes -> Arches
Suspects -> TTaM
Votes -> TTaM
Votes -> Shiftey
Supports -> Mouseh
Suspects -> Graxlos
Defends -> Tronz
Votes -> TTaM
Defends -> Tronz ("Loads of people are quiet.. why tronz?")
Suspects -> TTaM
Saying -> Seems unlikely that mafia have no part in wagoning.
Saying -> "there is no fucking way, on earth, AT ALL that the mafia arent part of this bandwaggoning crap"
Suspects -> (Indirectly) Graxlos (1), Shankski (2) for being the first voters on Tronz wagon.
Suspects -> (Indirectly) Tronz (1), Delling (2), Nachmanun (3) for being the first voters on Intrinsic train.
Suspects -> Nachmanun
Saying -> "If we ask him to lynch someone and they're rebel then he basically proves his innocence."
Saying Shankski is suspicious due to not beliveing in Kawe, and not presenting his role.
Vote -> Shankski
Saying -> Emptyy is not cleared by any means
Suspects -> Shankski is posting very inconsistantly.
Vote -> Blackwhale
Suspects -> Chippen (for not posting)
Supports -> ET for good posts (suspicions that turned out to be wrong)
Saying -> Hard to keep up
Suspects -> Chippen (gut feeling)
Vote -> Vdti
Vote -> Vorte
Saying -> People should post more informative posts (myself incl)
Suspects -> Kendoki
Suspects -> Vorte (because of way of writing)
Saying -> "You didn't vote to save Kesh, you voted cos u hopped on the bandwagon" @Emptyy
Saying -> "You didnt state, while you were voting, that you did it to save daekesh" @Emptyy
Saying -> defending a post from kendoki
Saying -> "Kendos post is weak"
Saying -> "I have the 4th highest post count or something"
Saying -> "Archz seems like he has got something to be afraid of"
Saying -> "I'm concerned about Emptyy - he hasn't done anything useful in a while"
Suspects -> ET (gut feeling)
Suspects -> Shankski (Trying to stay out of the spotlight)
Vote -> Emptyy
Saying -> "if we're going to be voting emptyy as red at any point we need to either do it today or tomorrow."
Suspects -> Shankski/Emptyy
Saying -> "if emptyy is red we need to get him today or tomorrow"
Defends -> ET
Vote -> Shankski
Saying -> Saying you saw some things that you 'overlooked' is a bit of a vague excuse. @ Emptyy
Saying -> Emptyy needs to die now. He's inconsistant.
Saying -> "You never defend yourself, Emptyy"
Saying -> "Yes, I did some stupid things, but all my actions were logic, unlike yours"
Vote -> Emptyy
List of suspicious people (as Sintrael sees it or has gut feeling about):
TTaM, Graxlos, Voters of Intrinsic/Tronz, Nachmanun, Shankski, Blackwhale, Chippen, Vdti, Vorte, Emptyy, Archz
Sintrael defended:
Tronz, Kawe, ET
Kawe and ET looked/looks unsuspicious to all of us. You have not stated anything but the obvious when defending them. You question "why tronz?".
Contradictions, inconsisenties and weird stuff
- 1 "You didn't vote to save Kesh, you voted cos u hopped on the bandwagon" @Me
You don't dispute that I got to know TTaM was cop.
You don't dispute that I changed my vote away from him.
However, you say I unvoted him because I wanted to hop on a bandwagon?
And you question why I didn't give a reason why I unvoted TTaM - as if that had been smart?
- 2: You claim my posts are of no value
At the same time you use them to defend yourself [1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102963#msg102963).
Still, you use vote-sheets when building a case. (Ergo is it of use?)
- 3: You question that I see new things when I look through the thread [1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg103330#msg103330)
At the same time you excuse yourself for not having read up on the thread.[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102498#msg102498)
And of course you discover new things when you look through the thread. It's now much more interesting to see who confirmed mafia voted for or was defended by. If you don't find this logic, then it makes me wonder if you don't already know who's mafia.
- 4: You disregard your voting being at all suspicious[1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102757#msg102757)
Even though you hop on bandwagons, while at the same time suspect people on bandwagons.
The only thing you've done that is suspicious, according to yourself, is supporting Mouseh and voting TTaM [1] (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102757#msg102757)
Really? I can't see much that speaks in your defence, except voting for Vorte.
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##Vote: Sintrael
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##Vote: Kendoki
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The crew's vote was almost unanimous. For too long, they have been deceived and manipulated. The security drones were ordered to arrest Emptyy, their Elected Captain of the Imperial Guard.
"Strong am I with the force. Without a fight, not yield I will."
(http://i.imgur.com/BhC0F.jpg)
But even the strongest rebel scum cannot fight the combined forces of the Empire for too long. As the laser shots finally cut throu his flesh, he uttered three final words. "There... is... another..."
Emptyy the Jedi Knight has been lynched.
It is now night 7, it will end 18:30 on Sunday.
##Night
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BYE SO LONG SUCKER
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OLOL! YES
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Somehow i just knew that
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Lol he had the evidence stacked against him man, you didnt "just know it" :p
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Big day for the Empire. The mastermind is dead and we are now left to find the remaining Rebel Droid.
(http://www.pixeltale.com/images/3D/R2D2.jpg)
Day 3
[Emptyy.2]: shankski, Chippen
[Vorte.6]: Shiftey, Eetion, Kawe, Vdti, Grishnag, Sintrael
[Vdti.7]: Doomslay, graxlos, Tyler, tronz, Vorte, Archz, Emptyy
[Chippen.1]: Kendoki
Day 4
[Vorte.7]: Doomslay, Graxlos, Sintrael, Tyler, Shiftey, Eetion, Grishnag
[Tyler.2]: Vorte, Archz
[Emptyy.3]: Tronz, Chippen, Shankski
[Chippen.1]: Kendoki
[Shankski.1]: Emptyy
Day 5
[Archz.9]: Grishnag, Eetion, Kendoki, Tyler, graxlos, Sintrael, shankski, Doomslay, Tronz
[Tronz.1]: Archz
[Sintrael.1]: Emptyy
Chippen - Modkilled
Day 6
[Emptyy.4]: Grishnag, Tronz, Graxlos, Shankski
[Shankski.4]: Eetion, Sintrael, Doomslay, Kendoki (1st to reach peak)
[Sintrael.1]: Emptyy
Day 7
[Emptyy.5]: Doomslay, Kendoki, Eetion, tronz, Sintrael
[Sintrael.1]: Emptyy
[Kendoki.1]: Grishnag
So I've had a couple of conversations prior to the lynching of Emptyy.
Some of it might be useful to the people alive when daylight comes once again.
I post this because i do not expect to be alive.
The people I've mainly been talking to is Emptyy, Kendoki and Tronz.
Two of the conversations were on IRC and Tronz were on Teamspeak (as we are danes its faster to talk rather than write).
Kendoki talk
[17:50] <Kendoki> i see your guys fear for the extra vote; but dont you think Tronz is a bit sus also, starting the Intrinsic vote, then getting saved by delling and with some non-informative posts?
[17:51] <eetion> nopes
[17:51] <eetion> I do not fear Tronz
[17:51] <eetion> Tronz never started anything
[17:51] <Kendoki> wut am i missing then?
[17:51] <eetion> he slapped a random vote out
[17:52] <eetion> your missing the math
[17:52] <eetion> really
[17:52] <Kendoki> dont you find it weird that when the Tronz wagon started by grax/shanks and mous dell all of a sudden made the switch to intrinsic?
[17:52] <eetion> i do
[17:53] <eetion> but ive talked a bit with grax before he died
[17:53] <eetion> and we discussed tronz
[17:53] <eetion> now what really is the question
[17:53] <eetion> why did you vote for chippen
[17:53] <eetion> and not vorte
[17:54] <eetion> on day 3 or 4
[17:54] <Kendoki> chippen was just a complete moron, no use for us at all with just voting, it turned out tho he could have helped us greatly
[17:54] <eetion> But there was no reason besides that,
[17:55] <Kendoki> but instead he decided to be a complete moron and get mod-killed.... =/
[17:55] <eetion> yet you didnt want to follow confirmed blues to battle?
[17:56] <Kendoki> it has several reason, his initial posting and votes, the fact when i got poked by Tyler for not voting the 2nd on the day he suddenly quickly post, the fact he did not vote for a captain
[18:03] <Eetion> instead of worrying about tronz,
[18:03] <Eetion> let me hear your thoughts on Doomslay
[18:04] <Kendoki> sheep?
[18:05] <Eetion> you just find him being herded by the majority
[18:05] <Eetion> ?
[18:05] <Kendoki> he did not bring anything usefull to the table as far as i see
[18:05] <Eetion> nope he havn't
[18:06] <Eetion> good good
[18:06] <Eetion> that said what about Sintrael?
[18:06] <Kendoki> i believe he is not a rebel
[18:06] <Kendoki> albeit he defended hard with my poke, but he did not read himself any posts
[18:07] <Kendoki> even tho he accused me of not reading anything... =/
[18:17] <Eetion> so who do you see as Rebels
[18:17] <Eetion> Tronz and?
[18:21] <Kendoki> its between grish, emptyy, doom, i r waiting for posts from them
[18:22] <Eetion> why is your vote still for Tronz then?
[18:23] <Kendoki> you ask me who i see as rebels; tronz and? i just said my 3 suspects who i suspect to be the second rebel still left
[18:23] <Eetion> if you dont suspect him
[18:23] <Eetion> what use is the vote for him
[18:24] <Kendoki> you dont understand what being said just now
[18:24] <Kendoki> i think tronz is a rebel
[18:24] <Kendoki> i doubting between grish, doom and emptyy to be the 2nd rebel
[18:27] <Kendoki> i r waiting for now from posts from emptyy as he said he will post something today if he doesnt make sense tho it will tip the balance towards him
Emptyy talk
[19:42] <Eetion> hey man, you go time for a talk?
[19:42] <Emptyy> yes, sure
[19:43] <Emptyy> I can't walk :P
[19:43] <Eetion> wanan TS or irc`?
[19:43] <Emptyy> irc
[19:43] <Emptyy> don't have TS on my laptop
[19:43] <Eetion> npnp
[19:43] <Eetion> Im just a bit curious,
[19:43] <Eetion> because now you've been having a thing going with Sintrael for the last 2 days
[19:44] <Eetion> and i still have yet to see some evidence present
[19:44] <Eetion> like as in a post of some sort,
[19:44] <Eetion> all you have said
[19:44] <Eetion> has been re read the forum,
[19:44] <Emptyy> actually.. (let me find it)
[19:45] <Eetion> i might just have missed a post,
[19:45] <Emptyy> this wall of text:
[19:45] <Emptyy> http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102970#msg102970
[19:45] <Eetion> but im so extremely busy and my mind is blowing
[19:45] <Emptyy> ends with a reasoning towards Sintrael.
[19:46] <Emptyy> If you see through his posts, there is not much that a rebel wouldn't do.
[19:46] <Emptyy> He have not posted almost anything towards confirmed mafia.
[19:46] <Emptyy> The only thing that makes me wonder, is:
[19:47] <Emptyy> http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102663#msg102663
[19:47] <Emptyy> this, towards vorte, is the only thing I've seen that implies that Sint ain't rebel
[19:48] <Emptyy> And he questions things which I find weird, like:
[19:48] <Emptyy> http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102695#msg102695
[19:48] <Emptyy> could be that he just hasn't put much time into the game
[19:49] <Eetion> could be yes
[19:50] <Emptyy> btw, if he's mafia, Kendoki is not. If Kendoki is mafia, Sintrael is not.
[19:50] <Emptyy> http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6168.msg102757#msg102757
[19:50] <Eetion> im looking through the thread today
[19:50] <Eetion> the thing is
[19:50] <Eetion> at this point
[19:50] <Eetion> the only one i trust
[19:50] <Eetion> is myself
[19:50] <Emptyy> understandable
[19:50] <Eetion> and i have 3 people that can give me enough info
[19:51] <Eetion> to probably point of the last two
[19:51] <Eetion> if i miss on the lynch today
[19:51] <Eetion> but i would really not want to miss
[19:51] <Eetion> i was firm of ways towards archz and Shanks
[19:52] <Eetion> however there is so many "buts" in this game
[19:52] <Emptyy> Indeed, mindgame of magnitude.
[19:52] <Eetion> yea and having hangovers before a lynch isnt the best way to go along with it.
[19:53] <Eetion> but im still to question, why would Sintrael switch votes on day 3
[19:53] <Eetion> if he were to be Rebel
[19:53] <Eetion> from vdti to vorte
[19:53] <Eetion> (pretty sure he did)
[19:53] <Eetion> checking
[19:53] <Emptyy> Yes, he did.
[19:54] <Emptyy> That's also the thing which I mentioned 5 minutes ago. His turn towards Vorte is what makes him look less suspicious.
[19:54] <Eetion> yea
[19:55] <Emptyy> Gah, why couldn't Archz have been the droid. Then he would've been to some use this game
[19:55] <Eetion> why couldnt Intrinsic have been.
[19:56] <Emptyy> Damn chippen
[19:56] <Eetion> damn all of the silent ones,
[19:56] <Eetion> its not only chippen
[19:57] <Eetion> its just every silent fcking person
[19:57] <Eetion> ofcourse those of them imperials
[19:57] <Eetion> what do you think of Kendo?
[19:57] <Emptyy> on my 3rd
[19:58] <Emptyy> if Sint is innocent, on my 1st
[19:58] <Eetion> makes some sort sense
[19:58] <Emptyy> He has been very quiet, like Grish and Doomslay
[19:58] <Eetion> was about to ask
[19:58] <Eetion> grish and doom
[19:58] <Emptyy> I don't know.
[19:59] <Emptyy> I think that.. if Grish and Doom were mafia, they would've cared a LITTLE bit more
[19:59] <Eetion> probably
[19:59] <Eetion> what bout tronz?
[19:59] <Eetion> Kendo seems to have something towards him
[20:00] <Emptyy> yup
[20:00] <Emptyy> against Tronz _and_ Sintrael
[20:00] <Emptyy> Imo, Tronz + Kendo or Tronz + Sint are the most likely pair
[20:01] <Emptyy> I guess the last mafia could attempt to distance themselves
[20:01] <Eetion> could be trying to
[20:02] <Eetion> i still need to do more math on this z.z
[20:02] <Emptyy> kk.
[20:03] <Emptyy> Me too
[20:03] <Emptyy> I'll write a longer post before midnight
[20:03] <Emptyy> on it atm
[20:05] <Eetion> the only thing is
[20:05] <Eetion> i cant let you live
[20:06] <Eetion> i cant prove you 100% Imperial
[20:06] <Eetion> even if you were to be
[20:06] <Eetion> its just impossible
[20:06] <Emptyy> to prove me 100% imperial?
[20:06] <Eetion> yes
[20:07] <Eetion> the only way i can do prove it is to kill you
[20:07] <Eetion> z.z
[20:07] <Emptyy> and that doesn't go for everyone?
[20:07] <Eetion> it does
[20:07] <Emptyy> Do I seem like the least likely to be Imperial?
[20:07] <Eetion> but the major difference between you and everyone else
[20:07] <Eetion> is that you got a double vote
[20:08] <Eetion> so if im wrong
[20:08] <Eetion> about you being imperial
[20:08] <Eetion> i lose this game
[20:08] <Eetion> however i can still win this game after your gone
[20:08] <Eetion> if your imperial
[20:09] <Eetion> as i know who to aim for
[20:09] <Eetion> its all simple math
[20:09] <Emptyy> Makes sense.
[20:09] <Eetion> no matter what
[20:09] <Eetion> i cant let you live a day longer
[20:10] <Emptyy> I guess this is why mafia didn't want captain spot.
[20:10] <Eetion> because if you turn out to be rebel
[20:10] <Eetion> it is 3 votes vs 3 votes on day 8
[20:10] <Eetion> and Rebels knows who to aim
[20:11] <Emptyy> I understand.
[20:11] <Eetion> but the Imperials still have a good 50% chance to miss
[20:11] <Eetion> if i whack you out know,
[20:11] <Eetion> its still 3 to 2
[20:11] <Eetion> in the worst case
[20:12] <Eetion> which gives a better advantage
[20:12] <Emptyy> I understand the logic.
[20:12] <Emptyy> Don't blame you.
[20:13] <Emptyy> Hope you can get the right kills tomorrow then =)
[20:13] <Eetion> well i can only hope they will listen to me
[20:13] <Eetion> in the night
[20:14] <Emptyy> You should post it before this night is over btw.
With what power i might have, i would like to say that i 99.9% do not believe that Tronz is a Rebel. All this conspiracy with him starting wagons and stuff just doesn't catch.
The day Shankski were Lynched, mainly by my hand i would say, which i genuinely regret, I talked briefly to Graxlos during night time and he told me, he'd spoken to Tronz and Shankski, Tronz and shankski have been defending one another and Tronz told Graxlos that Shankski was no Rebel. Even though both were Martyrs, one might think, why didnt he Martyr him then, but that wouldn't have put them in a better spot, it would only have left Shankski alive and not Tronz - proven green anycase.
So i would suggest Imperials to take Tronz out of their Equations.
Based on this i think it is safe to assume that your Day 8 lynch target very well cloud be Kendoki, he's been fishy and his recent conversation with me, makes me think he was trying to sway me away from emptyy, using the Tronz card.
Emptyy and Kendoki tried to make me change my mind on who to vote for in some way.
I know Emptyy somewhat says he suspects Kendo, but notice - he was only 3rd on the "list" and only "1st" if Sintrael was to be Innocent. But the thing is, if Sintrael had been lynched and shown green, Emptyy would be alive with a double vote, and it would be 3 votes against 3 votes, which left the actual game to be a matter of who was the fastest to bring the noice and vote, which ofcourse would leave Rebels with the huge advantage.
However as it looks now Imperials are up 4 against 1.
Tronz being one of the Imperials.
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Lol he had the evidence stacked against him man, you didnt "just know it" :p
It was something i told Tronz Earlier, i said to Tronz that i was pretty certain Emptyy was gonna show up as Jedi :P
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Another night, another murder.
(http://i.imgur.com/2oywf.jpg)
Eetion the Private has been brutally murdered!
It is now Day 8, which will end Tuesday 0:30.
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NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
As discussed at length on IRC and from ET's final wall of text, its kendoki's turn to get strung up!
##Vote: Kendoki
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Yep, talked with ET + Tronz on teamspeak extensively about this.
##Vote: Kendoki
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talked a lot with eetion last night, before doom joined us and we did cover quite a few things that i now know for certain was not a manipulation from his side as he has now been proving to be a green. so i have no hesitation with lynching the target we had in mind.
##vote: Kendoki
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I see you are all respecting Eetion last wish, i dont mind dying to prove you guys wrong, but with this mis-lynch and then the night kill you are down 2-1. Which is going to be very hard. Who you suspect when you will find out i r just Private?
I going to quote from Graxlos here.
Ok so it seems the mafiadudes like to frame people.
Eetion posted in the Night he suspected me and when the Night ends he is found murdered. Pretty obvious framing to me. Its the smartest thing the rebel could do, and you all walk right into it with yer eyes open.
Really, are you guys NOT seeing this? It happening all over again, we got several mislynch already because of the rebel framing people.
As for the IRC logs and the highlighted parts.
Its a shame he did not post all of it, he left more then half of it out.
Tho be it as it may, he asks me who my second suspect is, you see i explained everything right there, Tronz (for me a certainty) and then either Emptyy, Grish or Doom (unsure who of the three). I did go for Emptyy after his last post made no sense but created more choas.
Anyways; I just hope you guys are smart enough to see i am being framed.
As for Tronz, i think Tronz is the last rebel.
Here is the reason why i think Tronz is the rebel.
He votes a random vote on Intrinsic. (0 Tronz - 1 Intrinsic)
Graxlos, Shankski, Mouseh and Nach votes for Tronz (4 Tronz - 1 Intrinsic)
Delling makes a big post about Intrinsic. (4 Tronz - 2 Intrinsic)
Chippen votes Tronz : (5 Tronz - 2 Intrinsic)
Kendoki votes Tronz : (6 Tronz - 2 Intrinsic)
TTaM votes Tronz : (7 Tronz - 2 Intrinsic)
Tronz post some crap about why he is inactive, nothing of use, nothing of an excuse.
Nach switch to Intrinsic (6 Tronz - 3 Intrinsic)
Vdti votes Intrinsic (6 Tronz - 4 Intrinsic)
Shankski switch to Intrinsic (5 Tronz - 5 Intrinsic)
This point, Tronz will still die as he is the first to reach the 5 votes. Then :
Emptyy votes Intrinsic (5 Tronz - 7 Intrinsic)
Archz votes Intrinsic (5 Tronz - 8 Intrinsic)
Graxlos switches to Intrinsic (4 Tronz - 9 Intrinsic)
Blackwhale votes Intrinsic (4 Tronz - 10 Intrinsic)
Chippen switches to Delling (4 Tronz - 9 Intrinsic)
Day 1 ends.
Note : the moment Tronz is ahead, first Delling (confirmed Rebel) comes in to the rescue, then Tronz himself needs to come on the stage to defend himself and then Emptyy (confirmed Rebel) makes the final rescue with his 2 votes.
After day 1 we see little from him, apart from one thing; we see that he doesnt want to tell Kawe his role cause he does not trust Kawe, yet later on the same day he votes on Blackwhale cause all of a sudden he trust Kawe. Staying yet again out of the spotlight. The heat is gone after that. He stays low, not drawing too much attention to him anymore. He posts little, mere votes or random one-liners, just enough not to get mod-killed and following the majority. All to stay out of trouble as he got in the beginning, namely not posting anything at all.
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##Vote: Tronz
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Well the idea behind getting you is that if your green we still have enough of us left to try again.
You look sus kendo, no two ways about it, if ur green ur doing it wrong :p
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Great logic...
Your thinking is now, doesnt matter if we kill a green, we still ahead 2vs1, yeah... awesome thinking, mindblowing rlly. Especially with the awesome input of Grish, Doom or Tronz throughout every single day...
I rather look at whats being said and done and draw conclusions from that, then to blindly go on Eetions dying wish. You cant come to me and tell me that the fact Delling jumped in on Day1 continuing the Intrinsic set up after the "random vote" Tronz made first, then Tronz himself had to go on stage AND then even Emptyy with his 2 votes tipping it to 5-7! just to rescue Tronz at Day1 looks not suspicious to you? Rlly? You serious, its completely fine that 2 rebels save Tronz there from a lynch?
Mind boggling...
Mind the fact it obvious clear i r being set up, yet you fail to see it. Shame rlly...
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Where did any of us say that we'd missed that? You really think we're literally just voting cos ET told us to and that none of us have been talking about it or done any research? And you think we're being dumb? Come on now
You're also being "set-up" by a confirmed green.... herp?
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Have you missed the fact at all that Eetion stated he suspected me in his final post before he got murdered? That it is easy for the remaining rebel to murder him and make me the prime suspect because of that? It happened before. Its happening again.
You may have done the research but thats mostly on IRC / TS, i cant see or hear any of it, other then whats being posted here and even then half of it is missing, as Eetion did, skipping half of the conversation we had.
I r trying to prevent the mistake that being made here, but it seems your mind is set on lynching yet another green.
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i forgot capital V so donno if that changes anything
##Vote: Kendoki
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Vader bowed down. "What is thy bidding, my master?"
Emperor Palpatine had just arrived on the Star Destroyer, his personal escort of Imperial Guards constantly in his proximity, almost invisible, in the shadows. "I understand you made an important arrest in the plot to destroy the Jedi."
"Yes, my master. He is being held in detention. I already ordered my droids to bring him to you."
Just as he finished his sentence, the private chamber's doors opened. A beaten up person was hustled into the room, force field restraints around his wrists.
"You've done well, Lord Vader. Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen. And now, young Kendoki... you will die."
(http://i.imgur.com/WPfFr.jpg)
"POWWERRRR! ABSOLUTE POWERRR!"
Kendoki the Rebel Scum has been painfully electrocuted by the Emperor.
"Excellent work, my apprentice, there are none who appose us, the galaxy is ours now."
Congratulations, town. You have shattered the rebel uprising.
(http://i.imgur.com/O3dPb.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/PpmnK.jpg)
Dark times are upon us.
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Good job everyone, expecialy Kawe and Hugman!
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Go Townies :D !!!!
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Count grishnag modkilled.
Well played town.
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YES MY BROTHERS!!!
FOR THE EMPIRE!!!!!!
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https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aolx7msuf_IvdFc0TlR1V0JmRjdEbXBFRFZkOWVmTFE&hl=en_US&authkey=CN71qqAK
Role and action list
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I won!
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Outside, in space, the Millenium Falcon - having witnessed the downfall of the rebels onboard the Star Destroyer - turned on its core reactor and prepared for a light jump, crossing path with one lonely patrol ship.
(http://i.imgur.com/y5o8z.jpg)
Private Grishnag's patrol ship has been blown to pieces by the Millenium Falcon.
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Hahaha, TIE-Pilot owned!
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Good job everyone, expecialy Kawe and Hugman!
Well, fuck you
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Good job everyone, expecialy Kawe and Hugman!
Well, fuck you
Yea thanks Veilas :P
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Good job guys! Fucking kendoki!
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(http://i.imgur.com/Ceey5.jpg)
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Good job everyone, expecialy Kawe and Hugman!
Well, fuck you
Yea thanks Veilas :P
What? This was till i died didnt folow the thread much after! But if you want a cookie , sure! Good job eetion and shiftey!
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Go team! Well except for Chippen and Grish...
So Kawe was not role-blocked, he was jailed! Kendoki was quite murderous I see :)
Are we going to get a player assessment at some point Palmar?
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As long as you don't list me as Imperial MVP, I don't mind...
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As long as you don't list me as Imperial MVP, I don't mind...
:D
you did fail pretty bad.
surprising, you played really well in the first one.
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Don't mistake fluke for 'good' :P
I think I'm just not built to play Mafia... I'm too nice.
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Don't mistake fluke for 'good' :P
I think I'm just not built to play Mafia... I'm too nice.
If you were nice you would've gone down for the team!
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People interested in hosting/co-hosting the next mafia game, talk to me.
It will likely start in a week or two.
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Well except for Chippen and Grish...
i thought that today was the last day to vote :(
i was wrong ah well
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We gonna get a Palmar round up post?
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We gonna get a Palmar round up post?
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We gonna get a Palmar round up post?
You gotta check this more Palmar ;).
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maybe
I need time to re-read the entire thing, and I'm playing a mafia game on my own atm.
I'd probably rather analyse a smaller game.
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Hugman wants too much! /shoo Hugman!