Iron Edge
Iron Edge => Off Topic Discussion => Topic started by: Archz on March 10, 2012, 02:50:38 pm
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Hi ya'll! I'm buying myself a desktop now at long last, been making due with my laptop for quite some time, and time is catching up with it. I'm hoping for some input, mainly if some of my specs are kinda redundant. I don't see myself using any more money on it.
- Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced Black (http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=579816&CKS=PCW)
- A very solid and cheap case by the looks of it, here's a review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed4RC6r2NTk)
- Power supply: Chieftec Nitro Series BPS-650C 650W PSU (http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=601838&CKS=PCW)
- One of the PSUs with better reviews, and it's modular. Is 650W enough for SLI if I want that in the future? There's a 750W for almost the same price (not modular)
- CPU: Intel® Core i5-2500K Processor (http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=619274&CKS=PCW)
- I just can't afford an i7 and I think this CPU will serve it's purpose well. Will buy a new stock cooler when I see the need to do some clocking
- Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth P67, Socket-1155 (http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=626388&CKS=PCW)
- Neat motherboard from ASUS with the thermal shield, will probably work wonders when I get a new stock cooler (not water). Good airflow and maybe I can clock my RAM up to 1800?
- Memory: Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB CL9 (http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=618010&CKS=PCW)
- Starting off with 8GB, can't see myself needing more than that in the near future
- Graphic: MSI GeForce GTX 560Ti 2GB PhysX (http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=648530&CKS=PCW)
- Went with the 2GB card, didn't cost all that much more. This looks like a nice graphics card
- SSD: Samsung SSD 830 Series 128GB 2.5" (http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=648573&CKS=PCW)
- There were a few cheaper SSDs out there, but reading up on it, some of the cheaper Sandforce disks have taken a lot of crap for being unstable. This one seemed like the better choice
- HDD: Seagate Barracuda® 2TB (http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=653071&CKS=PCW)
- I don't know a whole lot about this disk, but previous Seagate disks have gotten pretty good reviews
That's pretty much it, you can see the whole shebang at http://www.komplett.no/k/config.aspx?ConfigSystemId=10523 (http://www.komplett.no/k/config.aspx?ConfigSystemId=10523)
it's all in Norwegian though, but if you know your way around computers you should be able to make sense of it? Now, I appreciate any input! As I said, I'm not going to spend much over 10k on this (I can't xD)
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in my opinion Its Great .
Evil
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You're probably gonna need more than 650W for SLI/Crossfire, but I'm not expert.
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650w should be fine if you decided to get another 560
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okay one thing
"just can't afford an i7"
"buying an SSD"
does not really make sense. Personally I'd value the cpu horsepower over some load time reductions, if you're going to spend on one or the other.
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Well from what I've heard, SDDs just generally makes your system a lot faster
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As Kawe says, an SSD is mainly for faster response on stuff you need directly from the harddisk. It wont give you higher fps in games generally but will make logging in to wow faster and loading instances and such.
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I should go probably go for the i7 and then eventually buy a SSD. I guess they aren't hard to put in! You don't think the money saved should go for a more powerful graphics card?
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If you compare the i5 to the i7 for games (assuming that is what you are going to be doing with this rig), then there is very little difference between the two processors. To my knowledge the biggest difference between the i5 and the i7 is that the i7 has hyper threading enabled, which in gaming, it won't utilize properly(if at all) since the games actually need to be designed with X cores in mind. The only time you really notice a difference is when it comes down to video/image processing.
Personally I would go with the SSD and keep the i5 as you will notice more of difference.
In the end, it is not the processor that will be limiting you in games, but the graphics card. If you dont want the SSD, then put the money towards another GFX card.
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Yeah when I looked over guides for gaming PCs, they all went for the i5-2500K. I'm also getting a Noctua air cooler for my CPU
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Gonna b a sick pc dude
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Go rob grannies, get an i7 sick gfx card AND ssd problem solved.
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If you compare the i5 to the i7 for games (assuming that is what you are going to be doing with this rig), then there is very little difference between the two processors. To my knowledge the biggest difference between the i5 and the i7 is that the i7 has hyper threading enabled, which in gaming, it won't utilize properly(if at all) since the games actually need to be designed with X cores in mind. The only time you really notice a difference is when it comes down to video/image processing.
Only the 2600k has hyperthreading (not the 2500k.) Hyperthreading actually reduces game performance slightly. If you want to save some cash (about ~£75) get the 2500k i7. That or bet on future games taking advantage of it. It's a bit of a pricey bet for £75, though.
650W is probably not enough for a decent SLI setup. ~800W would do fine, though.
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That is isane. Do you really need 800 watts for two graphics cards? Thats like a microwave oven...
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That is isane. Do you really need 800 watts for two graphics cards? Thats like a microwave oven...
Yes he does i'm afraid ;D
thats if 800 is enough he might need more
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Its pretty hilarious considering my laptop with an i5 and radeon HD6500 has a 90watt psu. which also powers the monitor :P
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That is isane. Do you really need 800 watts for two graphics cards? Thats like a microwave oven...
Processor is upto 250W. Graphics cards are anywhere up to 400W. Each.
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That is isane. Do you really need 800 watts for two graphics cards? Thats like a microwave oven...
Yes he does i'm afraid ;D
thats if 800 is enough he might need more
Indeed, 1000W to be on the safe side.
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There is a site that will calculate what PSU u need.
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http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp (http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp)
try this
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Yeah, that's the one I have used before
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Was a lot of stuff on that list that I don't know what is :p
With two graphics cards, some clocking etc it looks like I landed on 764W
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Was a lot of stuff on that list that I don't know what is :p
With two graphics cards, some clocking etc it looks like I landed on 764W
get at least 800W mate in case of over use
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Was a lot of stuff on that list that I don't know what is :p
With two graphics cards, some clocking etc it looks like I landed on 764W
Also, did u take into consideration having USB drives and that plugged in? It all adds up
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How about 900W? Middle ground!
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does it really all add up? Will he be maxing out his harddisks at the same time as his external drives, while his processor and gfx cards are running on maximum capacity in a game?
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Looking at stuff, I think that the Cooler Master 800W should suffice? http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=604784&CKS=PCW (http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=604784&CKS=PCW)
Efficient as hell, and on the other setups that Komplett has, they are always running 850W for SLI, and that's with a lot more powerful GPUs, i7 with watercooling etc
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You'll never hit 800W, unless you have a couple of huge graphics cards (or 20 hard drives...)
Grax -- yeah, modern desktops are pretty damn expensive to run. Works out at about 50p a day, or something.
As far as new computers go... I'm waiting for Ivy Bridge, which is due in April :)
Currently sitting on an i7 930. Skipped SB. IB will be awesome.
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You don't think the money saved should go for a more powerful graphics card?
Actually I think that GTX 560Ti 2GB PhysX is already too powerful, or rather too expensive. If my currency converter is correct, it costs 281 Euros? What games are you planning to play? I'm using a 120 Euro Radeon 6850 and can play any current game perfectly at 1980x1080, even with my shit-old CoreDuo which is prob even bottleneck-ing my gfx card. In addition, the 6850 is absolutely silent and has a low voltage usage. I won't go for top-end components anymore, rather go middle and rather replace the card in ~2 years if you really have to.
Regarding the SSD, I'd also skip that. In addition, if you want to go with an SSD, why don't you chose a motherboard with the Z68 instead of the P68 chipset. Z68 enables SSD caching.
Overall, I think 1138 Euros for a new gaming desktop PC is too expensive, and I doubt you'll need all that horsepower.
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Yeah, agree. Think I spent about 700 euros on my PC, and has lasted almost two years.
In general, mid-range is the best place to buy stuff. The 150-euro CPU and GPU are a MUCH better deal than the 250-300-euro parts.
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My last desktop was a pretty expensive one, but it did last from I was 14 to 21. But I see your point and I think you're right. I mean, right now all I play is pretty much dota and wow, and I'm not even that picky on the graphics, I just don't want it to lag. I think I'm going to cut my costs a little bit more, and then in two years time, upgrade it or get a new one!
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Necro!
I'm looking to get a new desktop myself, would love some feedback. I'm basically looking to spend as little money as possible, for a pc that can stream nicely.
At first glance, this is what I found "affordable and probably sufficient"
Corsair Carbide 300R Midi Tower Sort
Corsair CX V2 600W PSU
AMD FX-6100 6-Core Processor
ASUS M5A78L-M LX V2, Socket-AM3+
Kingston ValueR. DDR3 1333MHz 8GB, CL9
XFX Radeon HD 6870 1GB GDDR5
Intel® SSD 330 Series 120GB 2.5", 25nm
Sony Optiarc DVD±RW Writer, AD-5280S
Microsoft OEM Wired Desktop 400
Logitech OEM S-120 2.0 høyttaler
Logitech HD Webcam C310
MS COA Label Windows Home Premium 7
MS DVD Win H.P/Pro/Ultimate 7 NO 64bit
MS ROYALTY Win Home Premium 7 Nordic
I got a 1tb hd already that's not even half full, that I figured I'd use.
Anything I should invest more in\scrap that are close in price to the items listed?
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QPAD FH Komplett L.E.
An intel alternative..
Cooler Master Elite 430 Midi Tower Black
Corsair CX V2 500W PSU
MSI B75MA-P45, Socket-1155
Intel® Core i5-3450 Processor
Kingston ValueR. DDR3 1333MHz 8GB, CL9
MSI GeForce GTX 560 SE 1GB PhysX CUDA
Sony Optiarc DVD±RW Writer, AD-5280S
Intel® SSD 330 Series 120GB 2.5", 25nm
Microsoft OEM Wired Desktop 400
Logitech OEM S-120 2.0 høyttaler
ASUS PCE-N15 11n PCI-E Adapter
MS COA Label Windows Home Premium 7
MS DVD Win H.P/Pro/Ultimate 7 NO 64bit
MS ROYALTY Win Home Premium 7 Nordic
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As much as I love Komplett PC, if I lived with Empty I would probably buy the parts myself and build it!
When it comes to spending as little molah as possible, you can probably scrap the SSD. My computer is perfectly fast, I think that SSD is a luxury reserved for the rich :p
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SSD's are for those guys who loves a snappy computer and low loading times.
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Grab a K processor, e.g. 2500k on a budget.
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Cooler Master Elite 430 Midi Tower Black
Corsair CX V2 430W PSU
MSI B75MA-P45, Socket-1155
Intel® Core i5-2500K Processor
Kingston ValueR. DDR3 1333MHz 8GB, CL9
MSI GeForce GTX 560 SE 1GB PhysX CUDA
Sony Optiarc DVD±RW Writer, AD-5280S
Western Digital® Desktop Green 1TB
Microsoft OEM Wired Desktop 400
Logitech OEM S-120 2.0 høyttaler
ASUS PCE-N15 11n PCI-E Adapter
Operativsystem ikke valgt
Logitech HD Webcam C310
More like this then? Just under 830 euro delivered n done.
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I work at the same holding as Komplett, so if you're planning to buy your parts there, I'll ask around to see if it's possible to get you some discount. I've never done it internationally, so I can't promise anything!
As for the PC, I wouldn't recommend getting a "K" version of a proc, unless you are planning to overclock it at some point. For a few bucks extra you can get a regular 3rd generation i5 like the 3450. I would also try to get a motherboard with the Z77 chipset, Asus and MSI make pretty good ones and don't cost all that much.
Also I'm not entirely sure about this, but I think the AMD 6870 GPU is a little more bang for buck than the gtx560.
If you still have your current HDD, and it's on a SATA connection, you can save money by skipping the 1 TB drive, and get an SSD instead. Of course you should only do this if you think you don't need the extra storage. And you can also probably save a little money by not getting a new DVD drive. You can just use your current one, or don't get one at all. Who needs em anyway! :P
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Already ordered! went with 3570k i5, a ssd hd and gtx560 se. From everything I read online, _not_ buying the 3570k seemed foolish, care to enligthen why I'd rather get a 3450?
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No reason at all! I just assumed you wanted as cheap as possible. I would always recommend getting a faster one.
Great choices on the proc and especially on the SSD! A little warning though; once you get used to that SSD, you won't know what hit you once you use your (normal HDD) laptop again. It will be hard to resist the urge to put one in there as well, so good luck with that!
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Thanks :P I'm just looking to stream tons, so didn't mind spending a little on cpu, though, it wasn't that much more than what was "standard" in that pack, like 50 euro dif or so.