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(http://www.classicamiga.com/images/stories/jreviews/games/N/Nuclear-War_003.png)
Nachmanun will be co-hosting this with me, I need one more co-host because this game happens somewhat reactively.
Welcome to Mafia III - World War III
1. Voting will be done in the main thread, this forces people to take a stance with their vote. Votes will be cast using the format ##Vote: playername. Any votes cast without this format may not be counted.
2. Inactivity will result in a modkill. Failing to vote, or failing to turn in your night action if you have one, will result in a modkill. If you get mod-killed, you will be banned from playing at least one future game of Iron Edge mafia. Sounds harsh, but inactivity really ruins the game. If something special comes up, PM the host(s) and we'll have a look.
3. The voting rules have changed. If no player reaches majority vote, the player with the most votes will get lynched. If two players have equal amount of votes, the player who got there first will be lynched.
4. Play to win. Any meta-game strategies or intentionally losing because you think your team is stupid is forbidden. Getting yourself modkilled for your advantage is banned. Play the game, win the game. Don't ruin the fun.
5. I will not send you a PM asking for your night action. It's your own responsibility to make sure you send the PM in time, if you don't, you get modkilled and banned for the next game.
6. All action PMs must be sent to all hosts. This means that if there are more than one host, you're always sending two messages, or a single message to two people (Just seperate them with a comma in the "To:" field).
7. Posting any screenshot, pm or converstation you may or may not have with a host of the game, faked or real, will result in an instant modkill. Play the game, not the mods.
8. Show respect. Some roles in this game have the ability to kill you out of the blue. Even if a mod doesn't confirm the death, consider yourself dead. In addition, attempting to use an ability like day-time vigilante kill, when you don't have one available, will get you modkilled.
9. Don't post after you're dead. Don't talk about the game after you're dead. Don't influence other players after you're dead. We intend to open a private forum where the dead can discuss the game in peace without ruining the experience for anyone else.
10. Don't be a dick.
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Sign up in this thread
This is a highly themed game. Please read the rules carefully before starting the game. There are several mechanics in this game that you guys will not have encountered before.
The factions in this game are:
The United Nations
The United Nations win the game if all the members of the Conspiracy Club have been eliminated.
The Conspiracy Club
The Conspiracy Club wins the game if they ever outnumber the United Nations
The Failed State
The Failed State wants to bring everyone down to their level. They win if civilization ends in a nuclear apocalypse. They don't have to survive to win.
Day Cycles:
The day lasts 48 hours and the night lasts 24 hours. At the end of the day the highest country on the vote list will be lynched. During the night the conspiracy club will use their single kill to take out a member of the United Nations.
Nuclear missiles can only be launched during the Day, unless specified otherwise.
Nuclear Warfare:
Some countries may possess nuclear warheads. Those can be fired in the thread using the command ##Nuke: playername. Other players may have SDI defense systems that can shoot down nuclear warheads. If you wish to use those you must PM all the hosts with this information.
A player may only launch one nuke per daylight cycle, unless specified otherwise. The exception is that you may always launch nukes in retaliation to an attack on your country.
You may launch nukes even if you don't have any. This will be reported and executed exactly like normal nukes, except no damage will be done and the radiation level of the earth is not increased. You cannot choose to launch duds if you have normal nukes available for launch.
After a nuclear warhead has been launched, it will take 8-20 hours until it lands, announced at the time of launch. No nukes may be launched in the last 8 hours of every daylight cycle.
Every time a warhead successfully explodes, the radiation level of the Earth rises by 1, and we're one step closer to nuclear holocaust.
Radiation:
Nuclear warfare causes fallout. That's bad for the planet. If the world reaches severe radiation levels it will start having an impact on the players in the game. If the radiation reaches critical, the world ends, everyone dies and the Failed State wins.
You will have an indication on how high the radiation level is, but you will not know exactly how many nukes it takes to end the world.
Countries:
Every player represents a country. You will have fitting abilities for your country. You are not allowed to post or quote any PM you receive from mods, but you can claim what country you are and what abilities you have, just in your own words.
Communications:
This game features a new system, an experiment, that requires everyone to actually not be a fucking idiot. No private messaging, IRC conversations, TS conversations or otherwise discussing the game outside the thread. The mafia can of course communicate with each other as they like, but aside from that, do NOT talk about the game outside the game thread, unless otherwise specified.
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Reserved for in-game information
Signups are open, just sign up in this thread. I will accept about 12-18 players into the game.
Signups:
Shiftey
Hugman
Abyiss
TTaM
Grishnag
Blackwhale
Starbrow
Cwave
Yoica
Graxlos
Tyler
Archz
Kendoki
Kagemoth
Surim
Vdti
Eetion
Vorte
Sintrael
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Sounds fun.
Edit: Also related!
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Me in.
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Me too...
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Blackwhale in!
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Weapons ready.
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Sounds like fun. I'll join in on this one too.
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mememe
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Just so it's clear.
This game allows firing NUCLEAR MISSILES at people you disagree with/don't like/think are scum/just want to ruin their day.
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Just so it's clear.
This game allows firing NUCLEAR MISSILES at people you disagree with/don't like/think are scum/just want to ruin their day.
Hey man, I already have ##Nuke: Arches copy pasted into my clipboard.
Where are all the other real men?
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Just so it's clear.
This game allows firing NUCLEAR MISSILES at people you disagree with/don't like/think are scum/just want to ruin their day.
Hey man, I already have ##Nuke: Arches copy pasted into my clipboard.
Where are all the other real men?
rofl
If a nuke doesn't get fired within the first 15 minutes of the game I'll be disappointed.
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Yeah okay I'm game for this.
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When will this game start? I wont be home for another 10 days :(
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when we get like 6-10 more players
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Sweet theme. Count me in :)
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Sad panda ET :( I not home before like 9 days and this theme looks so cool :/
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Strange lack of intrest. Maybe people are still tierd of the last game?
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Strange lack of intrest. Maybe people are still tierd of the last game?
I blame Palmar.
Leak a few of the countries abilities, to renew interest Palmar.
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I can't leak the countries, as that'd reveal alignment etc.
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I'm guessing a nuke does nothing except raise the nuclear level of the planet? Or does it kill?
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Nukes kill people, surely? Like a day-time poisoner from the starwars game.
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If nukes kill, then it's almost guaranteed MAD...
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You assume everyone has nukes. I think the idea is that only a few countries do. Most people can only fire 'duds'. I guess the 'mafia' get to launch their stealth nukes at night or whatever.
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Ah-hah, fair point. OK.
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No the mafia gets to conventionally kill a person every night.
Nukes do kill people. But there are defenses and resistances in play too, and of course there is the Failed State to act as a deterrent from going full out nuclear war.
There is a ton of interesting stuff too.
And yes, it tends to be very much a domino effect, tense peace until someone releases a nuke, then all hell breaks loose.
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Come on people, I need this to be less bored at work! Moar signups!!
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bump!
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BUMP!
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(http://www.ssrfanatic.com/forum/attachments/f24/86199-laughlin-golf-b53a5f.jpg)
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That might be one of the best forum-related pics I've ever seen.
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Just realized, she's wearing WELLIES.
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(http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/9dd6ca27-34fc-477d-a277-6e8ff1b5a7f7.gif)
(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7skauYUr21qbbpaoo1_250.gif)
(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/8/bummmp.gif)
Also, I find this hilarious:
(http://sunglasses.name/gif/psychoduck.gif)
The bumps will continue, until we get our World War 3 game.
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Great song at the end.
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(http://www.ssrfanatic.com/forum/attachments/f24/86198d1263324512-laughlin-golf-11614bump.jpg)
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I will sign up if we start on sunday at the earliest, so I can be home and participate properly, not like last time.
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I'm basically considering this thing on hold for a while.
It'll probably not start until august or something.
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In that case sign me up.
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HMM august you say...
sign me up
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August best time, me r in
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Fuck you guys, do it now.
I'm bored
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Hmm, if we're going to start this in August, I have to retract my sign up, as I'm going away for the first week and will not have access to an internet connection.
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Again, I have no idea, just consider the game cancelled for now, when I run it I will re-open the signups.
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Again, I have no idea, just consider the game cancelled for now, when I run it I will re-open the signups.
Motherfuckers.
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Again, I have no idea, just consider the game cancelled for now, when I run it I will re-open the signups.
Motherfuckers.
Sad panda is crying :(
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BUMP!
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BUMP!
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Silly Troll, tricks are for kids.
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sure we can try this.
I nulled the sign-up list, so you have to sign up again to join the game.
Signups are now open, remember that this game include nuclear missiles.
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btw, I need 16 players for this to work, so start poking around. The setup doesn't work as a mini due to the high amount of KP.
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Me!
Told you Abyiss! Bright Colors always works with Iron Edgers!
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I'd like to nuke people.
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I'll join :) no idea of the rules or w/e
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nukes you say? count me in
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Nuclear missile launched...
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ME! IN!!
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Sure thing, count me in aswell.
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Awesome!
Sign me up.
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I'll join
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Im game. I miss Tyler lynching me :)
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this game doesn't allow irc, pms, guild chat, ts or any other private communication, the exception is of course the mafia who can communicate privately.
Trust me, those games take much less time than PM games. it's just reading the thread and doing a few replies.
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And nuking everyone.
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I don't trust that Grax fellow. Sign me up so I can nuke him.
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does no pms mean that women can't join?
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Means no "Cherrycokes"
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Sure I'll have some of this
(http://www.henron.thanez.net/gifs/WildcardBitches.gif)
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12 people signed up, we need 16-20 for the setup to work.
gogo, poke everyone for 4 more.
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Who are we still missing?
Vorte
Mouse
Nach
Delling
Doomslay
and some more!
Come on people!
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nach is co-hosting
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Why does he get to co-host and I don't. That's discrimination.
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yeah it is
what are you gonna do about it?
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Make him play, so we get more people?
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he has seen the setup
I'm not remaking the entire game to get nach in.
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Wow ok this mafia looks awsome :)
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Wow ok this mafia looks awsome :)
/Nuke: KAGEMOTH
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Wow ok this mafia looks awsome :)
/Nuke: KAGEMOTH
I am in.
/Nuke: KAGEMOTH
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Palmar says it's easy to play but i saw a lot of stratagey in this :S
regardless : I WILL PLAY! Plz dont kill!
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Im in just to nuke Kage. :P
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The Failed State sounds awsome and fucking hard. It sounds like the roll of ninja.
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We need one more person for this so we can start killing everything!
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bump!
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Shouldn't, but I'm in!
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Palmar convinced me to sign up so here i am!
Forgive me though, i wont really have time to read this at work and i dont have internet at home for another six days from today, so i'll mostly be reading all the stuff that happens on the train home for work every day (about 40 mins) until i get my net installed, so plz bear with me.
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Seems like a cool setup, so ET is in for this one aswell :)
I've got some small Biology exams soon so somedays might just be a quick read through, but will try keep track though studies have to be done!
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Cool 18 people signed up, roles will go out tonight, and the game starts at 00:00 CET.
I can still accept extra people on the game.
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I think I'll join in as well, I need something to do while at work :P
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Cool 18 people signed up, roles will go out tonight, and the game starts at 00:00 CET.
YAY, FINALLY!
(Goes to re-read the rules)
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This is the mod-font, don't use it.
This is the question font, if you need to ask questions, use this one. This game has complicated skills and interesting mechanics, so feel free to ask.
Sign ups will close in 20 minutes, role pms will go out soon after.
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Remember to always send everything to both me and nachmanun.
Edit: Also, everything is OP this game, don't expect it to be crisply balanced, it is way too random now that almost everyone has ridiculous abilities.
Edit there may be secret or confusing alignments present that weren't stated in the OP.
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Can't wait! :D
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United General Council Meeting
(http://static.theurbn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/UN_GA_83033947.jpg)
It is the year 2028. During a what was destined to be a fairly uneventful meeting in the General Assembly, an interruption has occurred. In the middle of a passionate speech about protecting wildlife in the Arctic, prime minister Santeri Lahtinen of Finland was rudely interrupted by president Lim Yo Hwan of South Korea.
In a very unusual manner for his otherwise calm self, the president of South Korea rushed towards the podium and seemed almost unaware as the Finnish prime minister stepped out of his way.
Lim Yo Hwan raised his voice.
"The day has come", he said with a shaky voice.
"Just minutes ago, I ceased to be a President, for there is no nation to support me."
It was clear that something had happened, leaders shifted in their seats and some of them double checked their real-time-google-translation devices in order to make sure they were hearing the South Korean right.
"South Korea no longer exists. It's people have burned and died in a nuclear apocalypse. Several missiles landed all over the country, the last report I got from an offshore cruiser, but communication cut off.
Millions are dead, for the second time in history nuclear weaponry has been used against humans, and on a larger scale than previously thought possible, the southern part of the Korean peninsula is nothing but ruins."
Complete silence followed. Some leaders shifted uncomfortably in their chairs, not knowing how to proceed... or perhaps because they were uncomfortable.
The Nobel Peace Prize Laureate raised a gun, yet no one even moved a limb, something about the way the Korean spoke left no room for any emotions but compassion and sadness. Fear and anger were completely shut out.
"I have failed my people"
And Lim Yo Hwan pulled the trigger and South Korea was no more. More than an hour lasted until someone even said something. But slowly, a brave leader headed towards the podium, had Lim Yo Hwan, the last South Korean, carried away. He raised his voice to address the council....
(http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/LosingID8/KNF_2009_01_25/Boxer_1.jpg)
Palmar - President Lim Yo Hwan - South Korea - Has been wiped out.
World Radiation Levels are Low
Someone is feeling sick!
It is now day 1, you have 40 hours to nuke and 48 hours to vote whom to kill. Good luck!
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Topic is locked, I'll let you start very soon, the first day will thus last like... 7 extra hours.
Edit: unlocked now. If anyone hasn't received their role or wants to ask me about their role SEND ME A PM, do NOT ask publicly.
GAME ON BITCHES
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Poor South Korea :( So many SC2 players gone!
Who's behind it I wonder?!
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North Korea ofc!
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Does this mean we can start playing? or do we have to wait till midnight?
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Game on, bitches!
Now where are them nukes I expected to come in my direction? xD
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Does this mean we can start playing? or do we have to wait till midnight?
yah, go ahead and start playing. Day one ends 23:59 CEST Friday
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This... this is a fucking OUTRAGE! South Korea , just wiped out like that? What if it happens to my people next? I always knew this day would come. I bet you it's the godless western nations who want this. Well , i tell you all this much.. I will not go down without a fight!
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Just a friendly reminder (this time)that first rule about Mafia WWIII is that outside of this thread, you don't even talk about it. This will be penalized with death. If the trip is short enough for me and Palmar, also possibly IRL.
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First off my condolences to Lim Yo Hwan and the South koreans.
I see two alternatives. First is that we start a nuclear war at the gay bar that would not favor the United nations in any way.
Second is to take it easy in the start and gather information. We still have quite abit of time before sunset. Lets try to keep the lurking and non posting to a minimum during this first day.
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This is the question font, if you need to ask questions, use this one. This game has complicated skills and interesting mechanics, so feel free to ask.
Didnt see this before, handy!
Question: There is mention of countries with nukes. Aside from raising the radiation level of the earth, what's the effect of a nuke on a country it's detonated on?
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This is typical. The last time we played I started with being on a field trip to bornholm, this time I am headed to Oslo on the ferry, where I will be spending thursday without internet access.
Look forward to participate properly from friday morning.
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Question: There is mention of countries with nukes. Aside from raising the radiation level of the earth, what's the effect of a nuke on a country it's detonated on?
Nukes kill people... duh
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Awrf, your micro will be forever remembered, Lim Yo Hwan, we shall honor your memory with many rounds of Starcraft 4.
Also, yellow text is pretty uncool on white background, Cwave!
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As Representative of Canada i feel the urge to Condemn the actions By whoever took this action, Are we not all Human Biengs are we not above condeming a nation to utter ruin because you do not like the way the look or talk or are we aboot to become nothing more then animals clawing at each others throats? i say we find the culprit and toss him in the bottomless pit
incedentaly it seems highly unlikely a country could just nuke another counter out of fucking nowhere without any satalite picking up anything
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Someone is feeling sick
What does this mean? Sum1 is gonna die from radiation poisoning i guess?
Anyway, reporting in! I'm at work full time now so as i said in my app to the game i wont be able to read things in real time, or for most of the day, s'gonna have to be on my phone after work mostly i think. I also wont have internet in my new house until next tuesday so plz bear with me.
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Dammit, wrong colour
Someone is feeling sick, what does this mean?
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Someone is feeling sick, what does this mean?
I'm not telling you that.
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I see two alternatives. First is that we start a nuclear war at the gay bar that would not favor the United nations in any way.
Second is to take it easy in the start and gather information. We still have quite abit of time before sunset. Lets try to keep the lurking and non posting to a minimum during this first day.
This really is just one alternative. There should absolutely not be any nuke launches without a general consensus between all us nations, as renegade nukes are too likely to set us on a path to all out nuclear war. We mustn't let what happened to South Korea happen to the entire world.
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It is alwayz a zad day vhen zo many people die, but every badz has a good zide. Now we will zell moar deutsch carz.
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It is alwayz a zad day vhen zo many people die, but every badz has a good zide. Now we will zell moar deutsch carz.
So, Yoica is American with a lisp?
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Well, since he's talking about selling German cars, I would guess Germany :P
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I would also like to say that as the Aussie president, we are here for the good of the UN.
(http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f225/300310d1314312522-austrian-dad-locked-up-beat-sexually-abused-his-2-daughters-over-40-year-period-australian_flag_joseph_fritzl.jpg)
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Errr Vdti, what do you mean Australian?
Wasnt Fritzl Austrian?
Are you Australia or Austria?
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I'm Australia, and I know Fritzl was from Austria :P
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Did he keep a basement in Australia too, then?
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South African Eetion bumpin in. I'm feeling sick :(
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Anyone perhaps got a cure for Aids? Support africa - save a townie!
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Holy jeez, this unexpected wiping of the Korean people is shocking, only a coward just silently nukes another country.
I agree with Canada and we should find this cowardly culprit and toss him bottemless pit!
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Who would have thought that Korea would be wiped out. What menace could do such a thing. My country has been invaded before, I will not stand to have it happen again. We need to find the culprit and bring him to justice.
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This thread is very quiet. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm glad I don't have to read 10 pages of spam, but we do need everyone to post.
On topic, are we sure declaring country is a good idea? I am happy to if that is the consensus. I would like to hear the arguments either way.
As to who to vote for, I am instantly sus of any "omg who did this evil act" type posts. In the past they have been sure fire give aways of mob scum. So Kesh, Blackwhale and Kendo are on my radar. Oh and as I type a late entry from Surim!
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Yeah this country thing is interesting.
Since there isn't really Greens and Blues, just Greens with powers, I am not sure if telling which country you are is a good or bad thing.
Eetion for instance, says he is South Africa. Does that mean we now think he is more, or less likely to have a nuke? Yoica, for instance, has implied , he is Germany. Assuming we stick to history, Germany being a very warlike country, is likely to have Nukes? or have I just played to much Civilization 8)?
We need to discuss this revealing/not revealing thing, and logically work out which is the smart thing to do. If by giving away your country, you alert the reds to a good target to kill, then it is bad, and basically like saying you are a cop in the other games.
Discuss.
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Just re-read some of the rules:
"You will have fitting abilities for your country".
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What do we think this means?
Is Eetion going to Aids fuck us?
(Closes borders)
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Can never trust the damn african's. They a bunch of dirty dirty people, and Aids spreads faster than pee in a public swimming pool.
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I myself have little faith about declaring countries myself, I think its a a fine line as to its either good or bad, as Hugman posted it can give the reds good target to kill.
As to Tyler; you are the first one to sus people, my memory fails tho as to wether its a good thing or a bad thing, might be even to get a response out of people, might be trying to steer us. You are right about one thing tho, "we do need everyone to post."
An intresting note : you forgot to add Grishnag in your sus list. Since you reasoning was to sus people is "I am instantly sus of any "omg who did this evil act" type posts"
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Oh yeah? Well i don't give a fuck who knows who we are. Japan fears noone and while you faggots sit there cowering in the shadows , my proud nation prepares itself for war.
On other matters , South Korea is only around 2 hours away from Japan. Any survivors who find themselves homeless shall recieve aid and supplys with immediate effect.
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Don't think there's much to gather from what country people have been given!
That being said, fear my desert powers :p
(http://images.travelpod.co.uk/users/bruceandpetra/1.1264101371.the-egypt-desert-along-the-red-sea-coast.jpg)
Egypt bitches!
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I stated my Country, as i am feeling sick .. And i am looking for a cure to my Aids, along with a world in peace and harmony.
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North Korea ofc!
(http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/kim-jong-il-in-team-america.jpg)
I take offence at your baseless accusations!
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As the representative of Canada oh beautiful Canada i must protest to the admittance of North Korea *ahem* The Peoples Republic of Korea to the United Nations
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The Democratic People's Republic of Korea, if you please!
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Well, well. North korea is showing its ugly face in public. I for one suspect japan and their recent military movements. The question is if japan got the balls to come up with such a diabolic scheme! A country still using a emperor so long after my country set a stop for monarchism once and for all.
Japan, what kind of dirty aces do you got up your sleeves?
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Japan, what kind of dirty aces do you got up your sleeves?
speaking from experience you realy REALY dont want to know
i mean tentacles realy are the least of your problems with them
The Democratic People's Republic of Korea, if you please!
you are still a hoser in my book, eh
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How dare you accuse Japan! It would be Foolish not to prepare the nation for war when a motherfucking nuke landed next to you! Aside from that , do you honestly think an honourable nation like Japan would EVER stoop so low as to launch a sneak attack on another country , with NUKES no less. Have you all already forgotten Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Only the west could possibly be evil enough to do such attrocities.
Be forewarned.
*Points to the room*
Anyone who fucks with Japan is gonna get an ass kicking and whoever the culprit of the bombing is... well let's just say we have ways of dealing with these kind of low life scumbags.
(http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5460/japanangry.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/838/japanangry.jpg/)
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I think the real question is who would want to start a war in the East? Nuking our backwards neighbours, the South Koreans, serves only to lay blame at my feet and turn attention away from the real masterminds of this atrocity. I'm with Japan on this one, somebody from the West must be behind it!
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Offtopic: HAHAAHHA matt changed avatarLOLOL
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Offtopic: The best bit is, it shows as my avatar on the news page :D
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I don't see the need for smiley faces, mister North Korea....
As for the statement " you will have fitting abilities for your country", this means we can maybe assume that the countries IRL that have nukes, will have nukes in this game aswell.
Those are: China, France, Russia, UK, USA, India, Pakistan, North Korea and the non confirmed one with USA nukes, Israel.
So we are missing China, France, Russia, UK , US, India, Pakistan and Israel is the list of "confirmed' countries. Then, S-Africa used to have nukes.... who is to say they have really destroyed them all?
Followed by countries that have nukes that don't belong to them who are Belgium, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Turkey
Thats alot of bloody nukes unconfirmed...........
As for the sharing of which country we have, i think it's not that smart at the start of the game as it only helps the bad guys? Or we all have to declare so it's out in the open, or we keep it to ourselfs for now.
Thoughts?
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And another thing, we have two people who haven't said anything in the thread yet.
Shiftey and Abyiss.
Please speak up and contribute at least something?
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Now, I can see a lot eastern nations pointing to the west, but why would a western nation nuke South Korea? One of the most prominent western allies in the region?
The obvious culprit is of course North Korea, but maybe it's too obvious?
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Or possibly China, North Korean ally and recognized nuclear power? Maybe China is starting its conquest of resources for future generations?
I blame China whoever that is.
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Interesting to see that no one has voted a lynch target yet, even an early one just to get the ball rolling.
I'm noting that kendoki has made the first defensive post after tyler named him, i'm generally sus of defensive posts. I admit they are kind of necessary but in the past we've found that greens tend not to be overly defensive because they dont have anything to hide.
On a side note, Kagemoth with possible nuclear weapons. I'm scared.
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Oh I forgot. I am United Kingdom with a fat permanent seat on UN security council.
Kagemoth with nukes? Well there's one trigger happy crazy guy we should just avoid pissing of.
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To continue with Sintrael's response. I think it's time to get the ball rolling, mainly because i can't be sure i'm able to check the forum after 4 oclock this afternoon.
Abyiss has been lurking all the time here on the thread but hasn't responded yet.
I'm willing to lay my life and that of my countrymen on the line is saying that Abyiss is a traitor.
##Vote: Abyiss
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I think we should adopt the term "Axis of evil" for the bad guys.
I think most of us agreed that sharing what country we are and having some general openess is good. I wonder why Kendoki feels otherwise. I dont think it matters what country we are. What matters is the abilities or nukes the countries possess and their intentions.
I am asking Kendoki and anyone else to reveal the country they represent. It's a good first step.
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If everyone is to reveal their country, then we will know that everyone that has not said anything is either a conspiritor, or part of the mafia.
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That's just a load of crap. Anyone can claim to be anyone. It doesn't matter what you claim because, despite our 'similarities to real life', we really have no clue what exactly each country does. Germany for instance could have anything from more efficient nukes to damage bonuses vs jewish countries.
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And that's exactly why it doesn't matter saying who you really are and concealing it makes you look a bit odd.
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If what country we are doesn't matter then why do we have to be so open about it?
If everyone is to reveal their country, then we will know that everyone that has not said anything is either a conspiritor, or part of the mafia.
This is the dumbest idea i've heard in a long time.
Its interesting how matt so quickly started defending kagemoth, both of them are blaming the west. Do you know something i dont?
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I know anybody near South Korea wouldn't want the fallout from the nukes anywhere near their country.
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This is an outrage!
We the peoples republic of China do not take this kind of agression in our backyard lightly!
This case is very puzzling, North Korea would be an easy suspect but why would they use nukes so close to their own country on their own "countrymen", also South Korea has been cooperating with the West for many years, so they dont seem like obvious suspects. Is this the work of the middle east? or people with deeper plans that we dont know of.
Our weapons are primed and our army is ready to retaliate against any further aggression!
Meta: Currently I dont know if the nation has any connection to your available actions in the game and or allegiance and as always people are free to lie about it.
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Every player represents a country. You will have fitting abilities for your country. You are not allowed to post or quote any PM you receive from mods, but you can claim what country you are and what abilities you have, just in your own words.
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Every player represents a country. You will have fitting abilities for your country. You are not allowed to post or quote any PM you receive from mods, but you can claim what country you are and what abilities you have, just in your own words.
As United Kingdom I have an ability to send my chavs after you.
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We're doomed.
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Will a nuke in a neighboring country affect the countries around it?
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Will a nuke in a neighboring country affect the countries around it?
Nope, unless it's a special effect. Normal "nuke" only hits the target.
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I find your silence and lack of remorse or even military action to be disconcertning Abyiss.
##Vote: Abyiss
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GOD DAMMIT , DISCONCERTING*** i want modify option back. :(
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GOD DAMMIT , DISCONCERTING*** i want modify option back. :(
If you edit a post you will get mod killed kage.
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GOD DAMMIT , DISCONCERTING*** i want modify option back. :(
If you edit a post you will get mod killed kage.
yep, no editing. I will murder you if you do.
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Re: Surim's post
Surim what u've said does sound kinda dumb, things arent usually that black and white.
Care to explain what u actually mean?
Btw, i smell like curry, guess what country i am.
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Godamn fucking India Sintrael, join back to my Empire and we can rule together?
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So like, we can hire chav's to throw curry at people.
What a deadly combo.
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I suppose the question is how much we are to read into the part of the rules that suggest that countries are similar to how they are in real life. Knowing the answer to that on the first day is nigh impossible, so without saying too much, I'm going to inform that I like spicy food aswell, alot like Sindia.
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Is that a hint towards Mexico Vorte?
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I like cats
Gonna throw my vote for Abyiss as well, very suspicious. If I was new to this game and were the bad guys, I'd watch my mouth! That's why I think he's been lurking, trying to fly under the radar.
##Vote: Abyiss
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I dont see Abyiss online but I agree that he needs to post unless he wants to die early. Though wasting a townie so early due to him being a noob is something we have done a lot in the past, so I'd rather wait for his initial post. He has to post something to avoid a modkill anyway.
On the other hand since he is a noob he will probably not be worth much to any faction so he is not a big loss in any case. Do we have other players that hasnt played before?
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The two south africans are noobs too afaik, so they are also canditates based on that logic.
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I see you are all piling in to reveal your countries. I still haven't seen any good reason to do so. Does it not just help the scum to pick their target?
I do need to vote though as I am out on the piss tonight. North Korea has to be a great choice for our inital target right? I mean who in their right mind would claim that one? If you are scum, good guy or rogue, hihi attention.
##Vote: TTaM
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While I completely agree with you, Tyler, did you factor in that people can lie as much as they want regarding what country they are?
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Sure Vorte, but why pretend to be NK? If TTaM is a good guy he is playing really badly again :(
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Wtf, I posted in this thread this morning, but the post is gone?
As for the whole country thing, this morning I was thinking that it might be a good idea to hold off on country identities so the scum would have a harder time guessing who might have nukes. I guess (as North Korea has already pointed out) there could be so many country ability variations that it doesn't really make much of a difference though. The question is: Was this trend of revealing your country started by the scum on purpose in the hope that they might benefit from it or just by people not considering if it is dangerous?
Anyway, I think some countries (Japan and The Peoples Republic of Korea) need to tone down the hostility towards everyone for the sake of us all. My country is no stranger to years of suffering, and we hope that the fate of South Korea will not be shared by any other country in this world. I am... not gonna tell yet.
In the meantime, I'd like to have Surim elaborate on his weird logic (through which he is himself part of the scum?). If he doesn't, I think I'll vote for him as he might be trying to paint a hasty picture of guilt on innocent countries (to hide himself perhaps?).
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Lying about being countries that are very likly to be in the game is a REALLY stupid idea if you are town. If someone happens to be said country and comes up with you as a liar you are in deep shit. Lying about being a country could benefit the scum nations later on in the game but its to much of a high risk game to play this early.
I think its a stupid to kill of abyiss on the first lynch but if he doesn't say anything i guess we have no choice.
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Seems posts are disappearing I am gonna have to rewrite this
I do not believe that North Korea is the culprit. Obviously I can't read Palmar. But it would just be too good to be true if NK was really in the Axis of Evil.
As for my vote. I'll cast it now because I am going to work. It will be Kendoki. Because his first post was just a general proclamation to get the bad guys. Like any bad guy would often do. He doesnt want to share his nationality (fair enough though, he's not alone).
As for the trending towards Abyiss. Obviously it's bad he hasn't posted. We've had that happened a lot in last game. Often turned out to be innocent people. But killing a silent innocent who doesn't do us any good on day 1 isn't too terrible.
##Vote: Kendoki
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Remember that abyss gets lynched anyway if he doesn't vote so it may be a waste to vote for him at this point.
I know he works a lot so my guess is that he'll post when he gets home.
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If the top voted person is mod killed, does the 2nd most voted person get 'lynched' instead?
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If the top voted person is mod killed, does the 2nd most voted person get 'lynched' instead?
nope
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Definitely think more votes for Abyiss at this point is a bit pointless then.
I'm just going to vote for Kagemoth instead.
##Vote: Kagemoth
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Random or predetermined. Are you trying to make yourself look more neutral , it sure looks that way to me.
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Once a vote is cast by a player , is that player able to change his vote? Not that i want to change mine , just want to know thats all.
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Dont* want to change mine.
Fucking hell i need to read before i press submit.
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You can change your vote at any time, up until the lynch. That is, until the end of the "day".
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I am with Tyler and Starbrow on this one.
I asked several pages back, that we should discuss if revealing our countries was a wise idea, as it was possibly a liabilitiy, as it could give the Axis of Evil, good targets to go for, i.e. people who could potentially nuke them (obviously they could lie about who they were). If we agreed that it wasn't an issue, then we would announce who we were.
Straight after that, several of you went "OLOL, NAH THAT SILLY, THINKING IS BAD, LETS JUST ALL SAY!" and proceeded to claim who they were.
Personally, I think that was fucking retarded, and now I either think you are just fucking stupid, bad players, or have a more sinister motive, as Axis members. If we had just discussed it, and then come to the conclusion that it wouldn't have effected anything, then declared, that would be fine. But you didn't.
Claiming someone is "being suspicous" because he isn't that fucking stupid to announce shit, without thinking it through, is retarded. It is still day one.
So, Kagemoth, Arches, and Kesh, you have just placed yourself in the "evil/idiot" pile.
Since Arches is in the game, and we know how he plays:
##Vote: Arches
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Once a vote is cast by a player , is that player able to change his vote? Not that i want to change mine , just want to know thats all.
yeah, you can change your vote at any time up until the deadline, just use
##Unvote playername
##Vote playername
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Matt gets a warning for editing his post. Another one and he's dead.
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I'm following your logic, Hug, and thus my vote will go to the one and only..
##Vote: TTaM
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Like i said before, i have little faith into why we should declare. Like Tyler, i havent heard any good reason(s) to do so. It just started with Grishnag claiming to be Canada and people followed up with it, by declaring who they are themself. I believe it is just giving the Axis of Evil good targets.
Voting for Abyss because he is silent is a gamble, history showed us the silent ones are 9 out of 10 times just bad "townies".
My vote goes to Kagemoth, for the reason he is so agressive and defensive at the same time.
##Vote: Kagemoth
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Hugman raises a good point, a similar one which I tried to raise but didn't get it across as clearly.
##Vote: TTaM
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So, Kagemoth, Arches, and Kesh, you have just placed yourself in the "evil/idiot" pile.
Sorry, but are you saying you think I'm suspicious because you think I said not revealing was bad? Or because I said that I'm NK? I was only saying that Surim's logic was flawed, nothing else.
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If you want the count the votes, the mafia module is back up and running on ^Irony^. It's currently missing a vote for Abyiss and Arches, though.
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Are you for real Kendo? There is no way that anyone wouldn't feel the the need to prepare thier defensives after a nuke has just been launched. It has been 66 years since the last 2 bombs dropped. Roughly 246,000 people died , 60% died from flash or flame burns, 30% from falling debris and 10% from other random shit. We have felt this first hand.
Your willingness to point a finger in our direction is not only morally fucked up but outright insulting.
I don't think you guys understand just how depraved the minds of the individuals responsible for ordering this attack on South Korea are.
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For the record Kage, everyone that has defended themselves by roleplaying in the past has turned up red. Just saying...
Defending urself by quoting stuff thats not actually directly related to this game is a pointless defence. It doesnt say ur guilty, but it isn't helpful.
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I found the correct forum!!
##Vote: Archz
Simply because you voted for meh!! Clearly has nukes in his back pocket!!
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Are you actually going to participate in this game Abyiss?
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I didn't really think about it at the time and just went with the trend at point. I don't really see the problems with people stating or not stating their country. In the end it's their abilities that matter and each country can have a number of logical abilities based on RL. But each country only gets one (or 2?) ability this game. So for the 1st day it doesn't really narrow things down a lot if we do know someones country.
@Abyiss you need to use the EXACT forum name of the player for voting and make it bold. Also make sure you don't your post just make a new one for the vote.
The vote deadline is tonight?
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^you dont edit your post
FTFY
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sorry i did it quickly on my phone at work, i will adjust it when i finish.
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To spell it out exactly, [ b ]##Vote: Name[ /b ] - without the spaces in [].
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As usual I dont agree with Tylers logic. I dont understand in what scenario TTaM as mafia would take North Korea.
If north korea was mafia it would seem that there was a connection between real country situations and their allegiance in game and announcing it would be suicide. Since China supports NK irl I guess that would put me in the boat with TTaM.
The decisions to declare the countries might have been dumb, but since the train was rolling I think a lot did it to not seem suspicious by hiding it (myself included).
If TTaM was mafia I would saying he was playing very very very badly. So I think he is town. Abyiss is being utterly useless and will most likely be modkilled before the end of the weekend. I'm leaning towards kagemoth like Sintrael, the RP seems a bit out of place. Although I have been killed as a blue based on RP myself.
##Vote: Kagemoth
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I'm not sure its wise to assume such things grax, i think we're only loosely based on the countries.
Anyway, i'm off for the day so no internets at home for me.
As such, here's my vote, based mostly on that last post he made that i commented on. And the fact that potentially giving kagemoth nuclear weapons is utterly terrifying.
##Vote: Kagemoth
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I agree Grax, I don't think TTaM is scum. Abyiss has posted so he won't get modkilled also don't forget this is his first game. However I would still like to see more from him otherwise I might still vote him. The only reason I'm not voting him right now is the bad track record we have with killing silent greens.
Quite a few of you've mentioned Kage's aggresive and defensive posturing, but he isn't he like that in RL as well? :P
Anyway I've just come from work when I made previous post. I'm going think things over during dinner.
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Hmph. You are making such a big ,not to mention obvious , error. If our intelligence agencies are wrong... you will regret your decision.
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The vote deadline is tonight?
yeah, already said that. 23:59 CEST tonight
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##Vote: Kagemoth
i voted for him because he seems rather aggresive for a townie
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##Vote: Archz
He posted three posts, one is a youtube clip from southpark, one is a picture of sand and the last one is a short post where he votes and blames abyiss for trying to fly under the radar.
You if any have been flying under the radar. I think its time you show us your true intentions.
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Very well. I can see that this world doesn't learn from its mistakes
I also notice abyiss has broken his silence ,though his actions may be a bit random. As such i will change my vote.
##Unvote: Abyiss
And redirect my vote towards Arches. I never did trust people who come out of a desert.
##Vote: Archz
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Is it night time yet?
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Midnight server time, Kage
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The citizens of our great nation, governed by supream chancoler Abyiss, thank you for your forgiveness and generosity of being a new comer to the events of the modern governed world,
As such our great nation does not respond positivly to false accusations spread by the likes of the nation governed under Archez the scoundrel, and hence our nations vote goes to him hence forth.
##Vote: Archz
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After thinking about it a bit and rereading everything post so far. I have theorized that the aids infested shithole SA needs to go. All you other bigots initial went after Abyiss for lack of posts and now Archz, but Eetion is no better. That, combined with the fact that history has shown us that Eetion, unlike Abyiss and Archz, understands the importance of posting.
##Vote: Eetion
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Right, as we move closer towards nighttime, I guess I should put down a vote. I'm torn between the people who revealed early, as it seems to me that it might be a ploy of the scum to get everyone revealed.
Kagemoth is new to the whole mafia thing so he might just be playing it out weirdly so I'll give him the benefit of doubt atm. It's worse if he keeps it up though, you gotta be more of a team player dude.
Then there's North Korea and Egypt who were both very open about their countries rather fast, which may be bad, but may also be to get others to follow.
I'll be friendly to the country closest to me, so my vote for now goes on North Korea.
##Vote: TTam
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I'm also torn between a lot of people really, not a lot to go on yet.
I'm not really sure about voting for kage, as I'm pretty sure he's telling the truth about the country he is atleast, not sure if Japan is evil or not though as I already knew Japan was in the game before he claimed it from the role-message I got.
At the moment I have to go for Kendoki, as he seems the most suspicious to me at the moment, with his opening posts in mind. That said, I don't really have much to go on here
##Vote: Kendoki
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Abyiss has two votes on Archz atm... Is this on purpose?
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One was not formatted properly. as it was posted from my phone. (i mean mobile communication array)
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Eetion is the only one without a vote? He better not get modkilled cause that would suck the manballs on the first night!
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I think we should just take it as read that somebody will fail the first day. You could even integrate it into the game. Everyone's given a random 'target' and if they get modkilled, u get a free day kill! :P
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(Yes, I know that would be horrible)
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Gonna change my vote to Eetion, rather have the lynch go on someone getting mod killed since we don't got much to base our decision on. Plus he got aids, and I'm secretly in love with Benny.
##Unvote: Abyiss
##Vote: Eetion
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Kagemoth is lynched, night post coming up
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##Night
Japan has fallen!
(http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g380000/g386405.jpg)
After a heated day of discussion, Japan was blamed for it's neighbour's death, and forced to pay the price for it's crimes.
As the country was nuked into oblivion, investigations found out the terrible truth that sometimes the united nations have terrible judgement.
Kagemoth of Japan has been killed!
You are Japan
What do you get when you mix angry and crazy? Japan!
You see, since WW2 you haven't really had an outlet for your desire to blow yourself and everyone with you to shits and pieces. Now you do!
So what do you do? You can designate one target every night to be your kamikaze target. If you die in any way, you will instead kamikaze into that player, taking both of you down and killing you. If you die on the first day you're fucked though.
You win when the conspiracy has been eliminated.
It is now night 1. Send your night actions to both myself and Nachmanun before 23:59 Saturday evening.
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hey - Sorry for the absense. I had a death in my family, just right before my B-day.. So i ahd a bit to think about and i completely shut-out mafia game.
I dearly apologize on behalf of South Africa, but also hope for understanding of the tough time.
Sincerely Eetion
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OT: That really sucks ET. Of course we understand and all the best to you and your family.
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I savage blow for the modern world as Japan is ruthlessly cut down. I think all leaders should have a good look at themselves. Of course we cant forget what happened to South Korea, but scape-goating for the sake of revenge is not acceptable either!
Who will manufacture our 100ton Mecha peace enforcement machines now?
And a great blow to the entertainment world, losing Gorō Miyazaki, who after a rough start found his feet in the story telling world and has been globally recognised far superior to Disney and pixar in every way.
God bless your souls, and may the reaper bring swift judgement to the true colpret.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4AM0q5_rzLI/S-BBkaZ6NBI/AAAAAAAABRk/a_fGcMJSKp4/s400/mourn1.jpg)
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You're not meant to be posting at night btw, Abyiss!
Sorry to hear, Eetion :(
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you can post and discuss at night all you want.
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Ah, sorry, you didn't put that change in the rules :(
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remember to send in your night actions.
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due to drunk the night post might be 2 hours late or so, sorry.
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##Day
Holy shit, just before nukes landed on his country Hugman escaped to orbit!
Thank god for space technology
(http://shop38.homestead.com/files/msl_fail.jpg)
Hugman is missing!
It is now day 2, it ends 23:59 monday evening.
Radiation levels are low
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hugman is missing... what in the hell does that mean?
does he have a moonbase or something?
also this is a shitty color btw but i can deal with that... anyway does that color of hugmans name mean he is one of the failed states? or is it because he went missing?
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HAHA Hugman launched himself to space! OLolololol now we can't nuke him! heahaehea!
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Archz, are you now implying you are part of the Axis?
Also, Hugman is missing, does that mean he's still in the game or is he out?
Also the fact he launched himself to the orbit could mean that he was some country like US or Russia (or France lol) with space capability and probably some good abilities. If that is true, that's a blow to us :(
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This game is getting more and more complicated. I guess it suggests that Hugman was one of the spacefairing nations. It would be nice to know if the black text meant that he was a ninja, or if we should still watch out for a triggerhappy mf.
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Lucky escape governor hugman. How do you feel about leaving your people to perrish?
Did any ones nuclear lunch detection arrays pick up the point of origin? Is it the same source to that of the Korean incident?
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this is a shitty color btw but i can deal with that... anyway does that color of hugmans name mean he is one of the failed states? or is it because he went missing?
His alignment has not been revealed. He is now missing and he is technically dead.
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Morning lads!
A dreadful morning in South Africa, as another nation has been wiped from the board.
Is there no chance that we could talk it through instead of tossing Nuclear Missiles at eachother?
The only thing i seek is world peace and a cure to Aids, yet you lads find it funnier to destroy eachother and radiate our wonderful planet Earth.
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Here, here south africa, I agree. Agression should never be a first resort.
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Forgot to mention this in the daypost:
It's getting worse...
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What are on about Eetion? Hug hasn't been nuked!
So the 2nd day of boring UN meeting has started in order to come a peace resolve for all this. We have some more information about who the possible scum are.
First of all, there bound to be some scum that voted for Kagemoth (Grax, Grish, Tyler, Kendoki and Sintrael)
Secondly Hugman was going after Arches so this would also make him a suspect.
Do we know how many scum there?
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+are
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I said nuke in the daypost, sorry, was drunk. it should just say killed, there are no secret nukes in the game, all proper nukes get launched by typing ##Nuke: playername in the thread.
You don't know anything about the setup like mafia kp, mafia number etc apart from what's in the op.
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@ Yoica.
There is most likely 4 mafia players in the game assuming 19 players total.
From those 19 there is one failed state mofo.
Leaves 18 players
If it's 5 mafia - 13 UN, the mafia has a 50-100% chance to win.
With 4 mafia- 14 UN is gets more reasonable in terms of win chance.
So by my calculations, we are looking at 4 mafia, maybe 5 if Palmar made this game extra hard for us UN-ers.
If the voting goes as badly as last day, i will start launching preemptivly.
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Archz, are you now implying you are part of the Axis?
##Vote: Archz
Also, Hugman is missing, does that mean he's still in the game or is he out?
Also the fact he launched himself to the orbit could mean that he was some country like US or Russia (or France lol) with space capability and probably some good abilities. If that is true, that's a blow to us :(
Considering our 'life-like abilities', I think Hugman was French. They are good at running away from wars!
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We need people to give us their opinions and generally talk at least a bit now. I am gonna state my suspicions and why to get the ball rolling.
Archz, Kendoki, Eetion and Abyiss
so far these 4, although I understand that Archz might just be being bad again, but all 4 have a wish-washy roleplaying proclamations approach
Archz: latest quote by Archz is like one of those "force is with us" quotes from last game, who knows
Kendoki: the only man who I missed in last game and played me well, I wouldnt underestimate him, he's quite clever, however his unwillingness to disclose his nation might me he could be someone important or at least someone with lot of nukes (hints US?)
Eetion: SAR all we got so far is "omg I got aids, help me", you don't get my sympathy :P aids is a lost cause
Abyiss: just made some general grand proclamations, didnt really respond on day 1, but he's also new
Now if people could post their ideas like these please
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@ Yoica.
There is most likely 4 mafia players in the game assuming 19 players total.
From those 19 there is one failed state mofo.
Leaves 18 players
If it's 5 mafia - 13 UN, the mafia has a 50-100% chance to win.
With 4 mafia- 14 UN is gets more reasonable in terms of win chance.
So by my calculations, we are looking at 4 mafia, maybe 5 if Palmar made this game extra hard for us UN-ers.
If the voting goes as badly as last day, i will start launching preemptivly.
there are also some failed states aswell though im too sure about it
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I was drunk and thought it was funny that Hugman was killed :p
If I was evil state, I probably wouldn't go for one who were against me though. Classic wifom
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Hugman was a failed state, that is why his name was black in Palmar's post which would still France as a possibility ;D ;D
Shiftey that's actually pretty close to my current suspect list particularly Abyiss.
We also don't know who Tyler, Abyiss, Cwave, Kendoki, Surim and Starbrow represent. There is really no reason not to state your country because it doesn't say anything about abilities you have.
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Well, there must be US, Russia, France among them then, not sure what other countries there could be. I actually understand unwillingness of the big superpowers to speak up about it. Cause they'd be a threat to the Axis. Now I actually realise that. Although now that most people cleared their nationality. Not sure that really helps them. We might have screwed up there.
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We also don't know who Tyler, Abyiss, Cwave, Kendoki, Surim and Starbrow represent. There is really no reason not to state your country because it doesn't say anything about abilities you have.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. In my previous post on the subject I said it didn't matter what you said because you could just be lying and that we really don't have any idea what the abilities are anyway. While this is still true, somebody brought up the point that saying you are a country that has nukes irl could make you a good target for the Axis.
I'm starting to become suspicious of people requesting this.
As for last night's actions, I think Hugman has, once again, become a victim of his own success. He is a good player that was mercilessly cut down by the Axis Assholes. Let him survive the first round in some games, guys :P
I've gone through the thread and, while I have some small suspicions about people, I don't think anyone has really shown their hand too much. Except Archz.
Btw, Yoica, is there some reason you put Tyler in that list instead of me?
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(The list of people to vote for Kage)
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I'm going to have to disagree with you there. In my previous post on the subject I said it didn't matter what you said because you could just be lying and that we really don't have any idea what the abilities are anyway. While this is still true, somebody brought up the point that saying you are a country that has nukes irl could make you a good target for the Axis.
You are making a very big assumption that the Axis don't have nukes. Do you have inside info we don't know about?
Btw, Yoica, is there some reason you put Tyler in that list instead of me?
Whoops read my list crossed eyed! Yeah should be TTaM and not Tyler who voted for Kage.
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Well, no. I'm saying that any non-axis country that reveals itself to be a nuke wielder irl is a good target. Obviously such a country in the axis is not a good target for them...
Does this imply that people who revealed themselves to be nuke-wielding countries are more likely to be in the axis? /ponder
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My Governement was mearly absent from the days events due to internal issues (RL-work) in our state.
I am very much a part of this issue Shifty, and want to find the true culprit(s) of the South Korean massacrer as much as the next world leader.
And our country is still morning over the loss of Japan.
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The one who got hugman to run away into space is a country with a night action. This probably means its a country that is likely to have nukes aswell. Or dont have nukes but got other nasty perks. This makes all the people that havn't said what country they are suspicious (yes i know im one of them). As shifty said before kendoki have played well in maffia games before and if he's a country like US and a part of the axis ontop of that. This would be bad news for the world.
A vote to get him out in the sunlight so i can have a proper look at him.
##Vote: Kendoki
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How do you know it was a country with a night action? The axis has a nightly kill. One person "died" at night. Highly likely that it was them than killed him, wouldn't you say?
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Perhaps my english skills failed to explain what i ment kesh. I think that the reason hugman is no longer with us is because the axis used their night kill. I then assumed that the country of the axis that had the night kill got other things aswell. To balance the game i think its safe to assume that the axis got nukes aswell and if so one of the countries with nukes (france, US and russia) are with the axis.
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..What? As far as I know the 'night kill' isn't a country-based action, it's just an action taken by the axis. It's not given to any country specifically. In every other mafia game the 'godfather' only had to assign somebody to do it. The person that usually did the killing in previous mafia games was the generic mobster, with no other special abilities.
You see to 'assume' far too much is different from last game. And, considering you were already on my watch list:
##Unvote: Arches
##Vote: Blackwhale
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Perhaps my english skills failed to explain what i ment kesh. I think that the reason hugman is no longer with us is because the axis used their night kill. I then assumed that the country of the axis that had the night kill got other things aswell. To balance the game i think its safe to assume that the axis got nukes aswell and if so one of the countries with nukes (france, US and russia) are with the axis.
There is absolutely no reason to assume that the country has to have nukes in real life. If so you must take into account that this game takes place in 2028 and any country by then could have gotten nuclear missiles and other neet stuff.
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If i was maffia i think i would know how the night killing worked kesh, as i dont know this i think my lack of knowledge puts me in the green zone. I've never played maffia so i missed out on the neat PMs from mods.
I think you're green but it will be interesting to see who sees this as a good opportunity to kill of another green.
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I can see why you might get suspicious of me, from my rambling about my Aids, but it happens to be my faith and burden to carry.
It's getting worse...
I've had a bit of reading to do after my not so great start in this game, and it seems alot of you think i am a snoozing evil guy who lurks under a carpet of Aids..
But however I think the UN should be looking at:
Blackwhale
- Mainly because of his reasent post about assuming countries with nukes irl has to be within axis of evil.
Vorte
- Like myself havnt said much, and i know i shouldnt toss rocks when i live in a glass house, but i think he should be considered.
Archz
- I agree with Hugman in many games that Archz isnt the ideal person to keep for long-term games, way to inconcsistent and has an immense "random factor" in him.
Sintrael
- He seemed to have alot of interest in getting Kagemoth out, assumed that he had nukes as Japan.
This is all just some initial people i've looked a bit upon, but it is limited what time i can spare duo to the family issue at this point.
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Blackwhale, unlike the previous 2 games we don't know what all the abilities are, but we can assume Mafia/conspirators get a night kill each night. Otherwise it would be near impossible for them to win. They usually also have 1 or 2 one-time kills.
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Im trying to get a feeling for this game, but we have even less information than we are used to so its really difficult to conclude anything useful.
If there is a connection between country and abilites then it would be more important for the axis to know since it would tell who to target. If the country is connected to your allegiance it would be more important for us to know since it would help us decide who to lynch.
Personally I declared my country because I saw no clear connection to either and since the ball was rolling, I didn't want to seem suspicious. It would be fun with a mafiagame where all posts were made as RP reprenting different countries, I thought this might have been the point with the countries giving us some RP background.
As stated in all earlier games its very dangerous basing anything on the first lynch if its unsuccesful. You have nothing to go on and is most likely to fail and you have a handful of players that want to hit the wrong target.
Tyler was very quick with his TTaM accusations, but not out of character compared to his earlier games, so even though I think most people agree that ttam is innocent I dont think we can conclude him as mafia.
Vorte was one of the few people that "completely agreed" with Tyler, which was a game he played when playing ninja last game, makes Vorte seem more suspicious than Tyler imo.
Shiftey started a pretty meaningless vote on Kendoki based on lack of posting I think, but I agreed with him that voting for abyiss who is a total noob would be a waste.
Hugman joined the anti declaring club and suspected everyone wanting to declare countries and then choose to vote for Archz who was the second player to declare country. So in his mind (and hugman has been killed)
these are prime suspects:
Grish started the wave, Archz was second, Yoica followed up with an indication (hard to determine the reasons behind him ony indicating his nation),then Vdti, Eetion as ZA
This is where tyler and hugman starts to discuss wether declaring is a good idea.
Then TTaM declares North korea , Kagemoth declares Japan, Shiftey accuses china and declares UK.
Shiftey then continues to suggest that the rest declares their countries he is supported by Surim.
Graxlos declares China and is followed by Sintrael claiming to be a country that likes Curry, Vorte follows by declaring a country that likes spicy food.
This means that more than half the players have revealed or lied about their countries.
Should we look for the mafia in the early revealers, the late revealers? or the non revealers?
In hindsight I would probably not have revealed my country but I think it atleast adds something to theorize about, without the countries we would have nothing to go on.
I think blackwhale is way off but Im not sure that makes him mafia, I dont really see any evidence against kendoki either. I think my main candidates right now are Archz, Vorte(perhaps failed state again but what are the odds) and Abyiss for not really participating /acting weird.
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What I completely agreed with Tyler on was that revealing what countries we are had not yet been given a good reason for, which I still stand by. Don't go all word-twisty on me!
I find it rather hard to make use of what investigative nations have learned with the whole "talk only in the thread" part of this game.. is there a "safe" way of getting information out?
Lame I know, but I've been away from computers and\or drunk the last two days, thus my poor post-count, I'll be stepping it up. Right now, without any real new information other than that Hugman is at loss of gravity, what can we deduce? I fear we're set for a whole lot of wifom.. Are you making a voting thingamabob btw, Starbrow? Like you did in the last game?
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I see you are all piling in to reveal your countries. I still haven't seen any good reason to do so. Does it not just help the scum to pick their target?
I do need to vote though as I am out on the piss tonight. North Korea has to be a great choice for our inital target right? I mean who in their right mind would claim that one? If you are scum, good guy or rogue, hihi attention.
##Vote: TTaM
While I completely agree with you, Tyler, did you factor in that people can lie as much as they want regarding what country they are?
Sorry I didnt mean to twist your words but it was not obvious which part you completely agreed with.
I mean if you thought TTaM was lying would you really think he was town?
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My bad, what I meant by that was not related to whether or not TTaM was telling the truth, just that just because someone says they are a country doesn't mean they are.
Like you, I'm still trying to really grip this game. I suppose it is entirely possible that someone blue\green could lie about their nationality to hide something "bigger", like whether or not they have nukes or whatever, but picking North Korea as a cover doesn't seem sane at all.
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So Kage was innocent, quelle surprise. As Yoica pointed out there are bound to be some scum in the people who voted for him: Grax, Grish, TTaM, Kendoki, Sintrael.
Here is TTaM on why he wanted to vote for Kage. No reasoning to be hung with afterwards, just "I don't want to vote Abyiss".
Definitely think more votes for Abyiss at this point is a bit pointless then.
I'm just going to vote for Kagemoth instead.
##Vote: Kagemoth
Kage even noticed it himself on the next line.
Random or predetermined. Are you trying to make yourself look more neutral , it sure looks that way to me.
Personally I don't see any reason to switch away from TTaM. I'm not going to wall of text it, but nothing he has posted makes him look like he is scum hunting to me. I find Grax's assertion that "most people think he is innocent" quite entertaining too.
The idea that he is innocent because scum would not claim NK is silly. No one in their right mind would claim NK, scum or not. So it cannot be used as proof of innocence. My guess was that he misunderstood the "life-like abilities" part.
##Vote: TTaM
P.S. If someone could do one of those "who voted for whom and when" spreadsheets that would be grand.
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My guess was that he misunderstood the "life-like abilities" part.
How do you go from 'life-like abilities' to 'i must claim i am north korea'? :)
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It has come to the attention of our Govener Abyiss, the other world leaders are not aware what country we are.
We are not a secret keeping nation, and believe in openness and giving people the materials they need to better their livly-hood.
Abyiss is Governor of Sweaden.
(http://randsco.com/_img/blog/0807/ikea_svala_table.jpg)
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Now we know who to blame for the shitty IKEA furniture in our households.
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P.S. If someone could do one of those "who voted for whom and when" spreadsheets that would be grand.
For yesterday's vote.
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Tyler is playing quite differntly from other mafia games in terms of positioning, word choice and vote reasoning.....
Gonna vote on Abyiss once again. The weird roleplaying, the 3rd person usage about himself and the fact he mentioned "finding the correct forum", implying he is has access to some other mafia forum aka the mafia thread, is gonna make me vote for him again.
Sidenote, not gonna reveal my country till i see the rest of the missing nuke country reveal themselfs(USA, Russia, France etc). I still believe it was dumb to reveal ourselfs so soon. Only edge i can see is if everyone would reveal themselfs. But people can still lie and with no detective in the game(as far as i know), what good will it do?
##VOTE: Abyiss
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(out of character) I Meant the correct forum as I thought it was odd to use the same forum we singed up on to participate in the game, I would of thought we would of used a sigh up forum and the a separate game formum. But I guess that is just due to the it's my first time playing these mafia games.
Purely my nieve confusion. Will be more vugilent for the future :)
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For yesterday's vote.
I see you beat me to it :P Was gonna cook up a spreadsheet early tomorrow now that I've returned from a weekend at the inlaws (D2 LAN ftw!), but I'll throw more time at analysing and logic picking instead.
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Since I'm leaving for Denmark tomorrow, I gotta get the voting out of the way now since I doubt I will have any access to internet on my trip. Gonna vote for Tyler because I don't trust that sneaky Brit!
##Vote: Tyler
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Sorry been busy with RL the last 2 days, hence the lack of posting. Gonna post my thoughts now after i read the latets posts.
First : i am unable to vote for this day. Not sure what to make of this.
Second : we entered this game with no information at all.
The unfortunate death of Kagemoth and the country claim from Eetion made me believe the country ability are tied with what country you are. Japan - Kamikaze, South-Africa - Aids. (Not sure the Aids things is a ability btw) Now this is just an idea, as Kagemoth is the ONLY confirmed country and what abilities he had. Several people claim people can lie about the country, but i remember rule number 1 : assume people are telling the truth. Believing that; its 2 countries now who has logical abilities, makes me think the rest have abilities suitable to their country. Only problem is what. People mentioned Russia, USA and France(lol?) to have nukes. For the rest, some logic to what abilities they might have fail me atm.
I think the declaration of many people on day 1, before anything had happened was bad. Sure it can give us info, but so the Axis of Evil has that info AND they can easy pick out the more "dangerous" countries. Hence it is why i was and still am not without faith to declare what country i am. Sure most of you declared now or hinted and only a handfull of us didnt. The Axis of Evil made Hugman flee into outer space. Hugman one of the people that didnt declare what country he was. We never know now, assuming from Palmars post.
This being said; i am going to take a closer look at the people who declared early on, perhaps it was just a clever idea of the Axis of Evil to reveal us all early on when nothing was known.
Final thing from reading the latest posts, Blackwhale makes no sense in his latets posts, Vorte only posts something when he is mentioned, Tyler, like Cwave said, is playing totally different and Abyss being totally weird.
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Good post, Kendo!
Going to requote myself since noone really brainstormed around it.
I find it rather hard to make use of what investigative nations have learned with the whole "talk only in the thread" part of this game.. is there a "safe" way of getting information out?
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No but there might be a country that fuctions like a medic in other games though
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I do have Aids as an ability, but only I, myself is affected by it :/!
I litterally did just read Tylers recent post and it just didn't seem like the way he usually plays, much like Kawe changed much from the 1st to the 2nd game. Yet we can't really gather info, unless a nation maybe have something like spy-satellites or something interesting like that.
If i would have to with Archz for now, mainly a "hugman" reason.
##Vote: Archz
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I think the declaration of many people on day 1, before anything had happened was bad. Sure it can give us info, but so the Axis of Evil has that info AND they can easy pick out the more "dangerous" countries.
This being said; i am going to take a closer look at the people who declared early on, perhaps it was just a clever idea of the Axis of Evil to reveal us all early on when nothing was known.
I think you are too stuck in the mind-set of the previous mafia games and not really looking at this one as a completely fresh entity. Revealing your role in previous games is obviously almost always bad; you're going to get killed by the mafia or used or whatever. Even then, however, there were some roles in the second game that relied on being killed by lynch or mafia. Look at Kagemoth's special ability; had the axis tried to kill him then they might have gotten blown up themselves.
I also think that people assume that far too many people have nukes. Just because a country has them in real life doesn't mean they have them in this game, if the country is even in the game at all. If so many people had them, we'd have at least seen one of our less level-headed, patient people launch one by now.
Anyway, I think it's pretty likely that the people with nukes aren't going to want to advertise that potential by stating their country. So, I'm pretty confident that the people with nukes are most likely in the non-revealed list and are going to be countries with fully fledged nuclear programs, like the US and Russia. Maybe 1 in the revealed list (such as China.) Going by my previous post (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6352.msg112933#msg112933), I think a revealed country with likely nukes is indicative of an being part of the axis.
It's also quite likely, as said before, that some of the revealed countries are axis trying to 'get the ball rolling' on country revealing, to find the people with nukes. And anyone heavily suggesting that everyone should reveal is a good idea is also probably suspect. Yoica is in both of these lists (2nd to reveal and several posts to suggest revealing.) I also find it unlikely that either a small or large percentage of the axis revealed their countries. Having them all do it, or none of them, puts far too many of their eggs in 1 basket, as it were.
By my count (correct me if I'm wrong) there are 11 revealed countries (2 of which are only strongly hinted at), leaving 7 unrevealed people. Lets say 2 of them are greens with nukes (perhaps US/Russia). 3 of them are just keeping their cards close to their chest. And, lastly, 2 are axis (about half (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6352.msg112918#msg112918).)
I think it makes more sense to focus on this smaller group of people to find the axis members. Divide and Conquer! The smaller group is the unrevealed people (2/7 vs 2/11,) made even smaller as one of them is already dead, most likely killed by the Axis on day 1.
So, a list (in no particular order):
Hugman
Votes: Arches.
- Killed the first night.
- Personally, I think he was France, though we'll never know.
Blackwhale
Votes: Arches, Kendoki
- Playing the 'noob mafia' card (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6352.msg112951#msg112951) after posting absolute rubbish (or perhaps insider information?). Wasn't the noob card indicative of mafia?
- Despite playing the noob card, uses advanced tactics like poking with lynch votes to get get people to post.
- Also suggests that lying about your country is a bad idea. Wants people to reveal their true identities - To make targetting easier?
Starbrow
Votes: Me
- Suggested that revealing is bad.
- Suggests the reveal train was an axis idea.
- Some other concise points about the game. Nothing too revealing here.
Cwave
Votes: Abyiss, Abyiss
- Suggets that revealing is a bad idea. Claims to have nukes (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6352.msg112918#msg112918) anyway.
- Suggests Tyler is playing differently to the last games. Tyler has been town for the past 2 games.
Tyler
Votes: Me, Me
- Was the first person to question the reveal train.
- Has spent the entire game voting for me because I'm North Korea. Why the hate :(
- Doesn't add Grishnag to his list of people that he suspected of being Axis... for some unknown reason.
- Cwave and Eetion suggest that he is not playing like he normally does, as a townie.
Kendoki
Votes: Kagemoth
- Suggests revealing is probably bad.
- Claims he has no idea what is going on, so throws a few names into the window, to get some reaction.
Surim
Votes: Me
- Claims his country has been invaded before, but does not reveal its identity.
- No real posts, just agrees with hugman and votes.
Of these 6, my theory suggets that 2 of them are part of the axis of evil. I'd have to say that top of my list would be Blackwhale (for his far too obvious ineptitude), Surim (for his lack of posts (hiding noob mafia)) and Tyler (for his odities in posting.) I can't see Kendo, Cwave or Starbrow being evil at this time.
Also adding Graxlos (China) and Yoica to that list, for the reasons stated above.
On a final note, I find it very odd that with all the people that 'revealed early', there were only 2 people that actually received votes for this reason. 1 for Arch (from Hugman) and 4 for me (from Tyler, Starbrow, Vorte and Surim.) Do they know something we don't?
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into the wind*
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Thanks for the sheet Yoica.
To those saying I am playing differently, I am because I have a software release on Friday (most likely it will be delayed for two weeks mind). I don't have the time to devote to the game I did before.
If you look at the content of my posts though it should be clear that I am scum hunting. The main problem I have atm is that is so obvious to me that we should vote Kesh. First my previous point about him not really justifying his Kage vote. Now we have a useless wall of text that makes little reference to the only "fact" we have, the list of people that voted for Kage.
So, even though he is not as obvious as Delling was last game, Kesh is our best target. TTaM, I am still not clear. Are you NK or are you pretending to be NK?
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I have to disagree with you Tyler.
I think TTaM's post is pretty good. He tries to understand the reasons behind some countries revealing and some not. Especially those with nukes. What I dont understand is why he then analyses the unrevealed group. But he has some good points to think about.
Although yeah some of his arguments are totally weird. I don't see connection between Tyler not mentioning Grishnag. Should have said why is this important for you.
But the post definitely got me thinking about Blackwhale and Tyler right about now.
If you read my last list of suspicions and why, you may consider these 2 to be add.
But, TTaM, it's dangerous to assume things like there are 2 evil guys in each groups you mentioned. We can't know how many there are (but I personally think 4 or 5 evil guys).
All in all, good post, got me thinking about Blackwhale and Tyler. To the print view!
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I forgot to mention the about Grish. He didn't make it into the "useless RP" list as his post contained information, i.e. "hello I'm Canada". RP is fine, good even, as long as the post also include actual info.
I look forward to reading some more in depth analysis from you at lunch time Shiftey. I still don't see any actual reasoning in TTaM's post myself.
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About the revealing thing first. I think TTaM summed up some pretty good points about good reasons to not reveal, mainly that making yourself an obvious target for the mafia is a bad idea. A good deal of damage has already been done in this regard now, as the people who went ahead and revealed in a hurry no longer serve to dilute the powerful lynch candidate countries as much. As North Korea pointed out, it would have been far better if the likely nuke wielders (one could assume US/Russia/France/UK for instance) didn't end up being "revealed" by the fact that everyone else has revealed their country. I'm keeping an eye on the people who started this trend. I don't think anyone would lie about their country, since if you state you are a country that someone else has, you're immediately fucked.
Next up I'll post my thoughts on various people (alphabetical order, yay!). As the list isn't finished, I'll add people over several posts as I get through them during the day so you all have material to work with sooner rather than later.
Abyiss:
Took a while to start posting, but could be that he speaks the truth about having a hard time picking up that the thread had started. The correct forum thing is still a bit of an odd word choice though. Goes on to vote for Archz because he voted for him. I'm not sure what I should read into this (it's generally a pretty nooby thing to do, but just pointing back is also bad for town regardless of his alignment).
Archz:
Votes for Tyler without any proper reasoning here on day two. I dislike this quite a lot, as random unreasoned votes give the rest of us nothing to work with and is bad for town. Did you think Cwave had a point with his post saying that he thinks he behaves differently? Was there any other thoughts that lead you to that vote? Anything? Random voting is something that scum are interested in seeing, so please stop it. I'd like to hope that Archz is learning from each game, meaning that he should by now know that such posting isn't in the interest of the UN. Either he isn't working in the common interest, or he's being bad once again. Sadly I'm leaning on the latter...
Blackwhale:
Tried to get Archz to post more on day one by voting for him, and had some decent analysis of the country revelation game. Then proceeded to make no sense in several successive posts, which is... odd. Then excuses his weird posts with the noob card. Not sure what to make of this.
Cwave:
Started poking Abyiss to get content from him, which is good. When Abyiss responds with somewhat lacking content, he keeps up the pressure which is what I'd see as good town behavior. I think he has some good reasons for expecting four mafia, but I must stress that it's dangerous to second guess Palmar, so we can never know for sure untill we win! I mainly worry about this part:
If the voting goes as badly as last day, i will start launching preemptivly.
This seems like a rather dangerous turn of events, and perhaps a failed state looking for a "freebie" launch of his nukes? I'm really afraid that once someone starts to fire nukes, shit will deteriorate way too fast for us to repair and we'll all just die in the nuclear holocaust. Launching nukes is something we should really do our best to avoid, surely?!
I'd also like to know if you mean launching nukes before 4pm today, as launches aren't possible in the last eight hours of the day, or after the next night? Exactly what constitutes "as badly as last day"? Another green lynch, or something else? In relation to this:
Palmar, can nukes be launched at night?
Eetion:
Has posted a bit of analysis on the votes that went towards Kagemoth yesterday. Like Cwave, he is suspicious of Tyler due to a change in behavior (which I personally do not think is so obvious?). Votes for Archz because he usually plays badly.
That's all I have time for right now, being at uni. I'll return with more when possible.
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Yo, sorry again for the lack of activity from me, still no internets in my house (its being installed tomoz, wo0p!) and i spent 90% of my weekend driving around and picking up furniture and moving it about my house.
Anyhoo, i'm very confused as to what happened to hugman. Obviously some kind of night action.. but not a nuke.. so, he got forcefully launched into space by the reds?
I dont really see any problem with claiming our roles. Nukes arent secret so we'll see when they get launched, so there's no reason for nuke holding countries to not declare themselves. Its fairly obvious to the axis who they may be i think considering the only ones who havent claimed seem to be the ones holding nukes (re Cwave's post). Also, claiming a country doesnt give any indiciation to how you're aligned anyway, so i dont see it as a bad thing at least.
I am indeed India, as i implied by the fact that i smell like curry.
Tyler is indeed playing this game very differently, a lot of our last few games were discussed out of the thread, and with this one being limited to this thread i'm surprised we havent heard more from him. I don't necessarily think that this is indicative of scummery mind you.
I see shiftey and eetion are playing the same reasonable roles they did in the last game too.
I do wonder if there were any reds in that first vote for kagemoth. If i was them and i saw peeps voting for him, to the point that they gained a majority i would stay well clear of it. Not sure how sound that is realistically, but thats what i'd do.
I havent looked at the total votes for day 1 yet so i dont know if there was anyone else in the running or if someone made a pivotal vote.
These are my current thoughts.
I'm going to go make some curry. Back later.
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I was talking about TTaM's argument against you mentioning Grish, Tyler. Anyway, here's what I think right now.
Abyiss: If this guy isn't part of the axis, I should have never gotten elected to lead my country. All he brought so far are general "omg it's a tragic day" proclamations and no real content, no opinions, nothing, sure he's new, but it looks like a solid target for me
Archz: He's bad, we know that. But he also brings absolutely nothing, just random bullshit and what seems to be totally random voting. No reasoning, no real content. I mean we know him being this way in every game. And I just don't know what to think. But can never discount the possibility he's a bad guy. You couldn't really tell with him. He'd be bad in any case.
Blackwhale: First few of his posts are pretty much useless. Then he goes against Archz though but demands people reveal their true colours in same post. As I now realised, that's was a pretty bad idea right from the get go. Then his argumentation gets really weird, about the Hugman's disappearance and decides to vote for Kendoki (whom I suggested could be one of the big boys club [US or Russia] because he fears what if they are in the axis), but doesnt really brings forth an argument there. Then he clears himself by saying "his lack of knowledge" puts him in green zone, meaning he can't be part of the axis... very interesting indeed
As you saw in my previous post, I have other suspicions, but these 3 appear as fairly solid targets for my vote. It's time to start narrowing it down and get a good lynch tonight.
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Busy with work today - hectic deadlines, shall post my thoughts asap. (probably after 5pm)
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Is Hugman forever lost in space, or do we get to know his identity when he runs out of oxygen?
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I was doing some rereading, and then I stumbled upon this quote..
Hugman raises a good point, a similar one which I tried to raise but didn't get it across as clearly.
##Vote: TTaM
What did Hugman raise in his post, and if so, how did it compare to what Surim had said earlier that didn't get across?
Hugman posted:
I am with Tyler and Starbrow on this one.
I asked several pages back, that we should discuss if revealing our countries was a wise idea, as it was possibly a liabilitiy, as it could give the Axis of Evil, good targets to go for, i.e. people who could potentially nuke them (obviously they could lie about who they were). If we agreed that it wasn't an issue, then we would announce who we were.
Straight after that, several of you went "OLOL, NAH THAT SILLY, THINKING IS BAD, LETS JUST ALL SAY!" and proceeded to claim who they were.
Personally, I think that was fucking retarded, and now I either think you are just fucking stupid, bad players, or have a more sinister motive, as Axis members. If we had just discussed it, and then come to the conclusion that it wouldn't have effected anything, then declared, that would be fine. But you didn't.
Claiming someone is "being suspicous" because he isn't that fucking stupid to announce shit, without thinking it through, is retarded. It is still day one.
So, Kagemoth, Arches, and Kesh, you have just placed yourself in the "evil/idiot" pile.
Since Arches is in the game, and we know how he plays:
##Vote: Arches
This is the only quote from Surim with "content" throughout the game, and I _really_ fail to see how these could be the same two points pointed out by two different people..
If everyone is to reveal their country, then we will know that everyone that has not said anything is either a conspiritor, or part of the mafia.
He did also not reply to Sindia when they wanted to have some elaborating done on this odd statement. I'm also noting that Surim has not revealed his country, yet he suggests that we should in his first post, but suddenly agrees with Hugman's wall o' text saying we should not have revealed out countries in the first place.
Thoughts?
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Is Hugman forever lost in space, or do we get to know his identity when he runs out of oxygen?
He's "dead". So yeah, he's not coming back. But his identity remains hidden.
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So, matt have been giving me quite a hard time for making two posts where all i really did try to do was make sense of a situation (even if i did make little sense). He then starts spewing lava on me like theres no tomorrow and tries to make me look REALLY bad based on nothing but two posts. What is interesting here is that you so quickly take focus from kendoki and puts it on me instead. This could just be you having a hunch that im red tho.
What makes your quick defence more interesting is the fact that you and kendoki started the lynch train on kage that does make you look like a kind of redish aswell. You blame me for acting suspicious in two post and yet you have done so much suspicious things yourself.
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Remember how we did this in every other game.
That someone suspects you does not make them guilty.
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Palmar, can nukes be launched at night?
Palmar, could we get a ruling on this one. I assume its a no but would be great if we get it confirmed.
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Palmar, can nukes be launched at night?
Palmar, could we get a ruling on this one. I assume its a no but would be great if we get it confirmed.
It's in the rules you derp. All proper nukes in this game must be launched in the first 40 hours of the day.
(except for retaliatory nukes, which can be fired at anytime).
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Tyler: 1, Archz: 1, Abyiss: 1, TTaM: 1, Kendoki: 1, Blackwhale: 1
So far the votes of today.
Can everyone please start voting, including reasoning behind it?
Im gonna stick with Abyiss. Arguments for voting on TTaM are quite sound aswell but he is playing way less flacky then other games. That either means he improved or he is a fellow UN-er.
Blackwhale is think is 50%/50%. He keep acting surprised people are going for him instead of running it into objections and discussion. For me, that makes him more green the red atm.
1.5 hours till Nuke deadline btw.
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(again, i wont beable to make a decent vote and why post till after i hand in my work to the client today.)
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TTaM, I am still not clear. Are you NK or are you pretending to be NK?
Why would anyone pretend to be NK?
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After a long flight home from new york the prime minister was finally home in the country he loved. As he watched the local news he sipped on the drink his country was so proud of. The news report was from a kindergarten and as he watched the children play his heart fell like a stone at the realisation that he would be rememberd as a moster. But his actions, while grotesque was necessary. He lighted his expensive cuban cigar and took a last sip of his wine and then reached for the telephone.
- This is a very sad day for humanity, i hope that what we are doing today is for the greater good for the people living on this planet. Its a sad day but the alternative would be worse. May our children forgive us for what we are about to do.
Fire the missile.
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2pzfm1s.jpg)
##Nuke: Archz
For reasons i stated earlier
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Well, I guess Hugman wasn't France then!
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wtf are you guys doing. We dont want the failed state to win. Did you do this knowing that archz went to denmark so he wont be online to retaliate :P
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He did also not reply to Sindia when they wanted to have some elaborating done on this odd statement. I'm also noting that Surim has not revealed his country, yet he suggests that we should in his first post, but suddenly agrees with Hugman's wall o' text saying we should not have revealed out countries in the first place.
Thoughts?
I think he's been playing a very quiet game. Too quiet. I think perhaps his changable disposition is based on his noobiness, but I'm not sure. Definitely worth more scrutiny.
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Grax, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men
with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? The UK? I have a greater
responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Japan and you
curse my nuke. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I
know: That my nuke, while tragic, probably saves lives. And my existence,
while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.
You don't want to truth. Because deep down, in places you dont talk about at parties,
you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. I use words like honor, code, loyalty..
I use these words as the backbone spent defending something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to defend myself to people that rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom i provide, then question the manner in wich i provide it.
I prefer you just said thank you and when on your way. Otherwise, i suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. I did the job you were all to afraid to do.
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And so it begins...
(http://gnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Nuclear-Launch-Detected.jpg)
Nuclear launch detected, it will land at 00:00 CEST tonight
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@Vorte, when I posted that, I was under the assumption that the 'mafia' weren't neccesarily a country. But what I was refering to in Hugman's post was this
I asked several pages back, that we should discuss if revealing our countries was a wise idea, as it was possibly a liabilitiy, as it could give the Axis of Evil, good targets to go for, i.e. people who could potentially nuke them
I find this suspecious. As a hint towards having a nuke himself, but whether good or bad, I am not certain yet. Aids, bah! Unlucky...
There is absolutely no reason to assume that the country has to have nukes in real life. If so you must take into account that this game takes place in 2028 and any country by then could have gotten nuclear missiles and other neet stuff.
I haven't had chance to read this thread properly yet today, will post more when I get home.
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For reasons i stated earlier
I'm at work at the moment, so I haven't read it all very thoroughly yet, but what did you say your reasons were? Because Archz posted a south park video and a desert image? Sounds kind of harsh to nuke someone for that imo. but I guess we'll see when it hits.
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(http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6352.0;attach=4461;image)
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And so it begins...
Nuclear launch detected, it will land at 00:00 CEST tonight
(http://i55.tinypic.com/95k1.jpg)
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(http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/10/5/128992788711023475.jpg)
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some people asked me... ANYONE in the game can launch nukes, they will simply not do any damage if the person launching has no nukes.
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some people asked me... ANYONE in the game can launch nukes, they will simply not do any damage if the person launching has no nukes.
Then what is the point of launching it? Fear?
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some people asked me... ANYONE in the game can launch nukes, they will simply not do any damage if the person launching has no nukes.
Then what is the point of launching it? Fear?
Actually fuck it, it's for you to figure out.
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hahaha this could be blackwhale just trying to stir things up. Although if he is indeed france he does have nukes.
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shouldnt france have some sort of surrender power if we are to assume its country related?
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shouldnt france have some sort of surrender power if we are to assume its country related?
Canada obviously didnt learn anything from the independence war in america.
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Wow, didnt see that one coming from Blackwhale.
You realise of course blackwhale that if archz is green you've basically sealed your own fate, at least in my eyes.
Surprised you didnt discuss it at all, but i guess thats what nukes are for!
How convinced are we as a whole that Archz is red?
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Not at all i think? Archz is a weirdo but in my eyes not enough to make him a sure red.
Ffking Blackwhale.
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Yeah, only thing Blackwhale has said about Archz has been that he posts pictures\clips and had a short post voting Abyiss.
Reaks of failed state.
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Well fuck me, here we go. I think this is a really bad thing to do Blackwhale, as the evidence that Archz is scum is shaky at best. By acting without the general approval of the rest of the UN, you're basically putting yourself into a camp of your own. Should Archz turn up green, it's a nuke wasted on an ally and the rest of us will be very hard pressed to trust you hence forth.
You refer to Hugmans reasoning as justification for this action, yet your posts only contain flaky references to his statements. Untill you actually put your reasonings into proper clear writing, here's my vote:
##Vote: Blackwhale
PS. It feels really odd to say killing Archz is a bad idea (no matter what his alignment is), but he hasn't been proven scum, so I guess it is the logical thing to do...
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Has Blackwhale not been against revealing countries and now he suddenly reveals?
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I had the time for analysis of a few more people. We mustn't let this nuke that is hanging over our heads paralyze us into not looking at each other anymore, or we will all surely be screwed!
Graxlos:
Declared China somewhat midway through day one, in response to accusations that China would support North Korea. Has posted a relatively large amount of posts, which is good for us, the more we can go back and look at later in the game, the better. He suspects Archz, Vorte and Abyiss at this point. Overall acting in our interest, but we never know for certain.
Grishnag:
Only contributions are his early reveal of being Canada, then talks to Blackwhale about tentacle hentai (in reference to Japan and tricks up its sleve), followed by:
##Vote: Kagemoth
i voted for him because he seems rather aggresive for a townie
After that it has only been a few posts consisting of a single sentence in each. I'd love to see more content from you, as you're making it hard for us to analyse the very lacking statements. Tell us about your thoughts when it comes to this nuke. Is it good? Is it bad? Doesn't really matter what content you provide, as long as you are truthful as a townie, all is good and it helps us all.
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Will move further down the list when I have more time.
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I'm going to have to agree with Starbrow here. In light of recent events, I feel Blackwhale is somewhat of a loose cannon, and if he's going to nuke based on as little as what we have on Archz, I think we're better off without him, even if he's green.
#Vote: Blackwhale
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Mother Russia cannot sit back and not act on this crucial moment.
The motherland has to be safeguarded for future generations.
We have forseen a dark, dark future if this dirty behaviour is not stopped in its track right now.
Our wisest advisors and scientist have gotten a message fromt the future. A future where light has lost against darkness and where the motherland has fallen into the hands of the one we will know has Kane. One message echoes through as we look into the future.
"We have waited centuries for this moment. The rivers will flow with the blood of those who oppose us."
This.must.not.happen.
Our scientists have calculated that we must act now and stop this conspiracy or our beautifull country and the rest of the world will fall into a darkness it cannot recover from. We will stop the one we suspect of treason and we will stop the one who will attack us from the inside out with it's females.
For the motherland and for the world, we will take preemptive action on those who oppose us.
May god forgive us.
##NUKE: Abyiss
##NUKE: Eetion
(http://vorige.nrc.nl/multimedia/archive/00185/poetin_liggend_185313a.jpg)
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I get back from work! And jeez.... 3 nukes now? Good lord, what happened in that whole hour?
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This is how I feel right now:
http://www.endofworld.net/
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What is this shit. Is Russia the failed state trying to induce a nuclear holocaust!.
##Vote: Cwave
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Has Blackwhale not been against revealing countries and now he suddenly reveals?
Lets just say that in the outcome of the events that i've just started it would be in my best interest to show people that i actually got nothing to hide.
I'm going to have to agree with Starbrow here. In light of recent events, I feel Blackwhale is somewhat of a loose cannon, and if he's going to nuke based on as little as what we have on Archz, I think we're better off without him, even if he's green.
#Vote: Blackwhale
I think we can all agree that this move would have been foolish as a maffia member. I could however be the failed state but if i was, i would not fire my nuke at archz knowing he could not fire back due to his denmark trip. I would probably have gone for a nation that could respond with a nuke aswell. The failed nations goal is to start a full out nuclear war and if that was my goal, i wouldn't fire a missile at archz.
I did what was needed to be done and consulting the UN about it would also involve consulting the Axis of evil. The reason i did not say what country i was earlier was because of fear of a nightkill. After all a country that is known to have nukes in real life would be a pretty good target for the maffia with so little to go on during the first day.
As i wrote this i saw cwaves post and i BEG the UN to go lightly on his action. It might seem like he's doing something stupid and irrational but he might just as i, know more then the rest of the UN does.
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More nukes in the air!
(http://en.kllproject.lv/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/iran-585x400.jpg)
Guess I should confirm, despite the rules about 1 nuke per day, both of Cwave's nukes got launched. Aint that nice?
They'll land 00:00 CEST
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An interesting point just raised in IRC. Should nukes change our voting pattern? Should we vote for people who are being 'nuked', as they are going to die anyway? What if they are fake nukes? Could the axis fake a nuke launch to make us think it's not worth voting for one of them?
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An interesting point just raised in IRC. Should nukes change our voting pattern? Should we vote for people who are being 'nuked', as they are going to die anyway? What if they are fake nukes? Could the axis fake a nuke launch to make us think it's not worth voting for one of them?
Tyler and Matt get a warning for talking about game on IRC.
And shiftey too, for good measure.
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Well, they could be doing that, but I would feel even more suspicious towards a country that launched fake nukes, as I cannot see any reason for a townie to do that. All it does it cause confusion and turn people against each other.
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So.. TTaM is dead then?
Matt gets a warning for editing his post. Another one and he's dead.
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Indeed, as palmar stated anyone can throw duds but we wont kno it until they land at the end of the night (after the lynch vote) so this could indeed be a good way of protecting yourself. (or ur red buddies eh Cwave?)
Its definately sus that these two are throwing nukes for no reason.
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So.. TTaM is dead then?
Matt gets a warning for editing his post. Another one and he's dead.
no, I'm nice.
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No im not.
I explicity waited till the deadline so noone could follow me so it would end in a nuclear meltdown!!!
If im wrong after this night, you can take the right actions to punish me. For now, i urge you to wait with voting on me. Im an UN member and do NOT want this to end in a nuclear holocaust. The nukes however are in the game for a reason. Only thing is we need to use them with cause.
I think it did this just now, with cause, with determination.
Bare with me as they land. If i failed, i will take full responsibility.
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I take it, Cwave, that your special power is multiple nuke launches?
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I take it, Cwave, that your special power is multiple nuke launches?
I just used my special ability yes. It's now gone.
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Well this goes and messes up my ideas completely. I was waiting for the nuke deadline to pass before posting, but with everything that has happened the past hour has made that void. The people I wanted to accuse are getting nuked anyway. Now I need to look at my lesser targets better before posting. :-[
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But didnt palmar say that the deadline is only for offensive missile launching and that you are free to retaliate after the deadline?
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Yeah, so Eetion, Abyiss and Arch can now launch retaliatory strikes.
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They all nuking people who are in many people's sus list, Eetion only posted he has aids (like anyone cares), Archz, as many people said throughout their posts, is bad or a bad Axis member, in any case he is bad and Abyss made no note-worthy posts at all.
Its going to be intresting to see what comes out of it all.
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Sweaden cannot not stand idealy by while the world bigins Nucular holocaust !!!!
And thus intervines with peacefull counter messures.
Regrettably I wish i could save the world and counter all nucular threat, alas we can only save ourselfs for now, and shall prevail in search of truth for the real threat to man kind and the world.
## SDI /Cwarve
Curse you Cwarve for infiliting this global cotastrophe, may you pay for your crimes in the afterlife.
##Vote: Cwave
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I'd like to see what Abyiss is going to post now. He said he'd post something when he got back from work.
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Well, guess that answers that...
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So like, why did you launch them nukes Cwave? I dont really see your reasoning
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(more indepth discussion about what i think coming when i get back from work, for now thats all i can afford to spend my time writing 2 hours till deadline! clients ftl)
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but he might just as i, know more then the rest of the UN does.
Wut more do you and Cwave know then the rest of us UN?
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The cold war was a long time ago. This is a new age with new problems and it would be foolish to look misstake old enemies for new enemies. Abyiss have done nothing but defending himself since the start of this game and voting back on people voting for him. In my eyes this is a perfect way of making a vote look unplanned and bad green.
You are hiding abit to much in the shadows.
##Vote: Abyiss
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(does blackwhale actually read this thread?)
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Interception!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2_Pna9eA6CU/S-GvmtLOT8I/AAAAAAAASNY/XzO_9QFb_4w/s1600/rocketlauncherjpg-f9663b0c5586c991.jpg)
The missile headed towards Abyiss has been shot down!
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Right, so you save your own ass Abyiss and then cover it up as me not being right?
You dive into objection and oneliners instead of actually making an argument why you are not a red.
You are still a red for me and my vote stands. I urge all the fellow UN-ers to follow me.
If im wrong, i will take full responsibility on Abyiss his case.
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I still think Blackwhale is the better target for now. Wasting a lynch vote on somebody that has little ties in the game is a bit useless, especially when he has potentially used up his special power now.
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Btw my nuke for Eetion is because he keeps spamming stuff about Aids and isnt really contributing to the thread. I understand why due to RL(which really comes first) but then its better if he steps out of the game. By choice or by nuke.
Abyiss is a bad guy. If you look at his posts its nothing but dribble, oneliners and saying that he is "busy". Scum.
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Well, I'm pretty sure Eetion is going to die soon anyway, if nobody cures his aids (acquired intercontinental detonation syndrome.)
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Out of the three nukes launched, the one heading for Archz appears to be the one with the least reason. I really hope that you actually had some additional info to base this "out of the blue" nuke on, but until that's presented, I'm leaving my vote for
##Vote: Blackwhale
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So like, why did you launch them nukes Cwave? I dont really see your reasoning
The Army of the People has seen that Abyiss is scum and we got to take a leap of fate. Im sure as hell a target for lynching so wanted to put my ability to use before fading into oblivion.
I've done so now, used it and im glad the traitor Abyiss actually showed his true face after i nuked him. Now it's up to us greens to finish the job and make me sticking out my neck not in vain. If you lynch me, Mother Russia, a great blow will be delt to us Greens.
Пусть Господь благословит всех нас и держат нас безопасным (may the lord bless us all and keep us safe)
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Out of the three nukes launched, the one heading for Archz appears to be the one with the least reason. I really hope that you actually had some additional info to base this "out of the blue" nuke on, but until that's presented, I'm leaving my vote for
##Vote: Blackwhale
I gatherd intel during the night hinting at archz being maffia. It could however be false information (as people can show up as false red/green in the other games). The fact that archz was someone that i thought the town could risk losing and considering what kind of harm he could have done i made the decision do nuke him knowing that i still might not have much time left after Matt started his hate campain against me.
I saw it as a last action to clear my name before getting killed of as a green, sadly, it looks like i dont get to say i told you so.
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From reading both yours and abyiss' posts/actions, if anything you're more suspect cwave, i dont really see much scummery coming from abyiss other than his lack of posts, and having actually worked with him i'm inclined to believe him when he says that he cant post due to work.
I'm pretty sure that if anyone, red, green or black, had a missile shot at them and they had the means to shoot it down then they would, this is by no means a sure indication that abyiss is red.
When i asked your reasons for nuking abyiss you merely say "because he's scum"
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Thats not a reason... thats a hunch...
"Now it's up to us greens to finish the job and make me sticking out my neck not in vain". I still totally fail to understand why you're so sure that he's red and why ur so eager steer us into lynching him.
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Cause this is an important moment in the game while we won't die to radiation(i hope)
If this goes by without Abyiss getting what he deserves, it will fade away that he is continueing to plot against us.
Come to think of it, he has bloody SDI's. If he can use them more then once, he can keep saving reds without us finding out............ :\
I stick with Abyiss being a red.
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Important moment in the game where we wont die to radiation... 3 nukes were fired on the second day, you fired two of those.
We don't know if there will be retaliations yet. If you keep this up Im pretty sure the failed states will be happy, unless ofc Archz, EEtion and Abyiss are the bad guys.
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I gatherd intel during the night hinting at archz being maffia. It could however be false information (as people can show up as false red/green in the other games). The fact that archz was someone that i thought the town could risk losing and considering what kind of harm he could have done i made the decision do nuke him knowing that i still might not have much time left after Matt started his hate campain against me.
I saw it as a last action to clear my name before getting killed of as a green, sadly, it looks like i dont get to say i told you so.
so you claim to be a cop... well something that functions like a cop? why claim it so late why not at the start of the day? why at the end of the day?
i dont see the point of this only to try and save your own ass which you have every right to do ofcourse
i just think its a little to suspicious to claim that role when you have most of the votes against you
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And in direct response to my question whether or not you were one. Seems to me you're being played really hard here, or acting all paranoid, assuming you're a good guy. I'm still pretty set on you being the failed state, as I presume they got investigative powers like ninjas have had in the previous games.
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I don't think Archz is a red actually but i can't control the nuke Blackwhale fired. But i don't have anything to go on with that one.
If ive killed Eetion for nothing, i will face the consequences. But please don't let this stear us away from Abyiss being a red.
I found the correct forum!!
##Vote: Archz
Simply because you voted for meh!! Clearly has nukes in his back pocket!!
sorry i did it quickly on my phone at work, i will adjust it when i finish.
Mobile phone excuse, nothing to add to the game.
One was not formatted properly. as it was posted from my phone. (i mean mobile communication array)
Mobile phone excuse, nothing to add to the game.
some blabla about Japan
Random blabber
Lucky escape governor hugman. How do you feel about leaving your people to perrish?
What do you mean lucky?
Here, here south africa, I agree. Agression should never be a first resort.
Agree. Sadly you reds try to kill Hugman it seems.
My Governement was mearly absent from the days events due to internal issues (RL-work) in our state.
Meanwhile lurking and posting crap anyway.
It has come to the attention of our Govener Abyiss, the other world leaders are not aware what country we are.
Reveals himself as Sweden after getting some heat. Doesnt defend himself.
Busy with work today - hectic deadlines, shall post my thoughts asap. (probably after 5pm)
Deja.vu. Lurks the thread anyway.
Post by: Abyiss on September 26, 2011, 03:18:39 PM
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Sweaden cannot not stand idealy by while the world bigins Nucular holocaust !!!!
And thus intervines with peacefull counter messures.
Regrettably I wish i could save the world and counter all nucular threat, alas we can only save ourselfs for now, and shall prevail in search of truth for the real threat to man kind and the world.
## SDI /Cwarve
Curse you Cwarve for infiliting this global cotastrophe, may you pay for your crimes in the afterlife.
##Vote: Cwave
Responds with him saving himself before 5 pm as he lurked the thread. Cries about being nuked at but doesnt do anything to make himself not guilty. Confirmed to have SDI.
(more indepth discussion about what i think coming when i get back from work, for now thats all i can afford to spend my time writing 2 hours till deadline! clients ftl)
Its like ground hog day. You dont like posting cause you dont know what to write without making slip-ups. Im sure you respond to this one later aswell.....
Enough reason for me to vote on him. Btw, I think Blackwhale is either green or failed state.
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Green with a nuke? Failed state is seeming more and more likely, trying to copy Vortes game, where he as ninja claimed the cop role.
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As the nuke is now heading towards me, i can do nothing but to stand and watch.
I can tell you now Cwave that you will be dissappointed to see what i turn up as when this Nukes lands. Its gonna be a Green coloured name, and i will keep my flag raised, high and proud, with a straight back until the very last moment..
Long live the Republic of South Africa, lets us not be remembered for our Aids, but as a country seeking a world living in peace and harmony with eachother and the nature that surrounds us.
(http://zhenghe.tripod.com/flags/big/southafrica.jpg)
As Matt said and have figured out probably, my time in this game is limited because of my aids disease, which is a special ability that only i is affected of. When i would die was not entirely certain to a specific point, but i would die at a point in the game from my disease.
I would although thank you Cwave, Putin of Mothe Russia, for putting out my misery - as the only cure for my aids was an inevitable death - However i am not glad that you had to pollute or even contaminate my lovely soil, when all I looked for was a peaceful sollution for this insolence that has happened in South Korea.
As for my vote i will stand my ground on Archz even being that he has been nuked aswell, but i will also note that i think the UN should maybe take a closer look at some of the guys that are really not doing alot, im gonna mention atleast two of my concerns, which are:
Surim And Vdti.
They have basicly not done anything real as of yet, and are really laying down in these latest events. I havn't looked much upon them, but i would be surprised to not see one of them atleast turn up as one of the Axis of Evil.
Sincerely South Africa
(http://www.politician-pictures.com/nelson-mandela.jpg)
"During my lifetime I have dedicated myself to this struggle of the African people, I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if it needs be it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die."
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As i said before i wouldn't nuke archz if i was the failed state and i would not fire a nuke this early in the game. I wouldn't even fire the first nuke as it would make is seem very failed staty.
Also, France, a country like that is to awesome to be a failed state.
I think that hugman was either a green state with a nuke or a failed state with a nuke. Probably the US.
If i have taken a chance with the little intel i had and nuked a green country i would not fight any vote on me during day 3 but killing me off as a failed state now is only a easy way for the reds to get rid of me. I think that blindly looking at me as a red state is only favoring the conspiracy club. Cwave said that nothing about abyiss actions makes any sense if he actually were a green. And a green with a nuke is less likely then a red with a SDI?
If i die tonight thats a shame considering that i have used my power and if i were to be failed state i would be pretty harmless. If i dont get lynched i will probably die during a night kill anyway as i've then proven myself to be a green with a nuke and possible other abilities.
I urge the UN to look beyond the fact that me and cwave fired nukes and instead look at peoples reaction to the nukes that was fired. I think that will tell us more about who the red/failed states are then our actions.
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Btw my nuke for Eetion is because he keeps spamming stuff about Aids and isnt really contributing to the thread. I understand why due to RL(which really comes first) but then its better if he steps out of the game. By choice or by nuke.
Abyiss is a bad guy. If you look at his posts its nothing but dribble, oneliners and saying that he is "busy". Scum.
Also, i know my real life have greatly decreased the rate of which i could follow this game, but i have tried my best and i suppose you also understand, but i didnt see the necessity to actually nuke me out of the game just based solo on that i havnt contributed alot because of my reasons. I see the nuke on me as a giant loss for the UN (Supposed that you are green/blue w.e colours there is). I know i have been rambling of Aids - but it was kinda the only way i could enter the role as being infected with an uncureable disease.
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Eetion, your remains will be taken care of, after they are propperly cleaned.
I urge you, while the nuke is flying to the core of your civilisation, to rethink your voting and go for Abyiss, the scum who problaly gave you the aids to begin with.
Mother Russia will honour your decision and will honour your fallen nation.
A wise Russian once said:
?The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.?
I think this sums up the core of this game. Are you gonna be the one who let Abyiss get away with this or are you the one who will be rememberded when the UN wins this game as one of the wise ones?
Vote for Abyiss.
Vote to make him stop.
And vote to make the reds loose their SDI.
If i was wrong tonight about him, i will face the consequences.
Dont let the reds get away with their SDI intact.... :(
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The recent development is very disturbing. We are strongly condemn France's aggresive nuclear attack. Trying to act as world's policeman never plays well.
We are deeply disturbed that our democratic and civilized neighbour decided to use nuclear weapons offensively. In response we put our military forces on ready alert and organise a massive military exercice.
WE ARE READY!
We regret that Russia has joined the nuclear warfare campaign as well. A country with such a military might surely didn't have to resort to that kind of a cowardly attack.
So the 2 out of 3 of my suspicions (Abyiss, Archz and Blackwhale) got a nuke launched at them... one is the aggresor and 1 used SDI to protect himself. It makes my voting a bit harder, however I have to agree with the crazy communist Cwave, the leader of Russia, that Abyiss is still a threat. His argument is sound and logical and Abyiss also figured on my top suspicion list. Therefore:
##Vote: Abyiss
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If i die tonight thats a shame considering that i have used my power and if i were to be failed state i would be pretty harmless.
We have to assume that a) the nuke is real and b) you don't have more of them. If it's fake, you might be trying to save Arch from being lynched. If, alternatively, you have more than 1 nuke, you are most definitely not harmless.
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I am indeed not harmless matt but giving a failed state alot of nukes would be making it to easy. Said state could just wait entil shit hit the fan and then go firing nukes at people. The failed state dont have to be alive to win the game so he could just wait for a good opertunity and then fire away. Are you still hating on me for the two posts i didnt really think before posting or is it only the fact that i lanched a nuke towards a person that most of us suspected or even tried to kill on day 1 because it wouldnt be that much of a big deal if he turned out green?
Perhaps you got another reason to see me dead?
##Unvote: kendoki
something i forgot to do before changing my vote to abyiss.
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So I feel like Cwave, you are really getting on my case because I have not devoted enough time to this thread, which by the sounds of it i havnt.
I was not aware how much attention this game would cost me, and being a free lancer basicly means, when i have a project on. I have very little - no free time.
Hence my short speratic posts. Sure i can refresh the page, make a quick coment thats fine. But it seems this game desires more of my time then i can sacrifice to satisfy your witch hunt.
I will, be making a longer more formal post towards the end of each working day, but i cannot keep up with everyone elses addendance. So i really hope i am not penilised for this.
Any way
Blackwhale:
]Will a nuke in a neighboring country affect the countries around it?
Does this imply he wants to nuke people near him, or should not fear people near him.
Blackwhale is playing very agressivly, and starting the nucular war only renforcing the fact he is playing a harbenger of war, over a moderator of peace.
Archz:
Like myself has played a very speratic posting of comments. Whether they are a picture or video that is funny, or posting for postings sake. Not sure if this is a game plan to preserve nativity, and there for throwing off the scent he is a potential target, or this is how he always plays Mafia?
Sirum, Sint, Grish Vdti
Seem to be keeping their noes clean, and not drawing any attention to themselfs, wether this be in a possitive or negative way. Again, not playing any mafia games before im not sure if this is a tactic to keep out of the spot light, and thus evade linch, or just how they always play.
TTaM
Seems very thought through with his statements, and is not standing out in my eyes as red. Neither fast to accuse or through out accusations with out good reason.
Though Tylers observations make me wonder.
Personally I don't see any reason to switch away from TTaM. I'm not going to wall of text it, but nothing he has posted makes him look like he is scum hunting to me. I find Grax's assertion that "most people think he is innocent" quite entertaining too.
Graxlos
Seems to be keeping a very middle ground and keeping attention on other rather then to himself (late exposure of his nation).
Cwarve
Clealy on a bitter mission to distroy the only nation to save us from World nucular fallout. I belive using my lack of posting as a scapegoat, and my inactivaty on the forum to defend myself as a reason to muster up surport for his cause has been very effective with paiting me in a bad way before getting a chance to repost.
But the fact is Cwarve has launch 2 nukes, ever bringing the failstate closer to victory. If Cwarve is indeed failstate, he only gains momentum for every nuke he manages to cause unnessesary retaliation.
I was going to make a post to prove what skills i had to prevent failstate wins by asking for a nuke to be lunched on my state, but cwave beat me to my point and insted launchs a nuke furthing his vendeta against Sweaden, killing me off and bringing the world closer to annihilation.
I ergue people to rethink their stance reguarding Cwarve, Who is the real threat?
(also some screen shots of what i've been working on today! pretty please with it all)
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Before all these nukes were launched I had Abyiss, Tyler and TTaM as my top suspects.
I think Abyiss is a prime suspect for the reason numerous of you have already posted. Tyler and TTaM both started actively steering the direction of votes once Abyiss had 3 votes and in the end it saved him.
I think it's a despicable act that France and Russia have launched nukes particularly Russia's choice for South African. But for now I see no reason to take aggressive against them.
##Vote: Abyiss
P.S. for those interested in the spreadsheet. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlDyVLeNU3r7dE5yQVdXQVh4RlNGSTZQMlpZV3dzVVE&hl=en_US#gid=0 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlDyVLeNU3r7dE5yQVdXQVh4RlNGSTZQMlpZV3dzVVE&hl=en_US#gid=0)
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##Vote: Tyler
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As my possibly last deed of the game, i will do you this Cwave,
(OT: video made by myself in about 10mins, sorry for bad sound quality :( )
##Unvote: Archz
##Vote: Abyiss
Please do not forget about Vdtiand Surim, they havnt done a lot of talking during this nuke action
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So let me get this straight. You guys think that Sweden, who has an SDI ability, is one of the axis of evil. Well you could be right I guess... Ofc the axis have a much better chance to lie about countries (they know all the other axis countries, so could swap).
On the whole though I would say we must have a better target to pick than someone who has revealed a very green like ability. Lets go through some of the other recent movers.
Blackwhale: Currently lies second in votes. Claims to have info that Archz is axis. Voted for him, so it makes sense that he would have investigated. We will see the truth come 12, so why would anyone vote for him? Better to wait and see.
Cwave: Appears that the power had driven him psychotic. It is a better idea to vote for people than nuke. Nuking should be a last resort if you feel the game is slipping away. We are on day 2. Still I don't think he is axis as he had some good ideas about how many of them there would be. I don't think he would volunteer this if he was scum. Could be a failed state I guess, but I find this unlikely given the target choice and timing of his attacks.
Abyiss: As I said above, although it is possible he is axis, I think it unlikely. His posts were pretty bad, but I think that is most likely because he is just bad.
I am a little uncertain as to who to vote for now as I think we should not kill either of the current top 2, Blackwhale and Abyiss. I'm going to suggest Archz as he is (probably) already dead and is always a good idea.
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Archz
I am interested as to Grish's reasoning for voting for me. Bare votes are not good green play.
I found Yoica's claim that I started a bandwagon to save Abyiss pretty odd. I don't really understand Shiftey getting so behind Cwave. Grax is not being very constructive. I still think TTaM is sus, because of the Kage vote and the wall of text based on not declaring country. Most other people I am neutral on atm.
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Let me get this right, you want to vote to lynch Arch, even though he's probably about to be killed by a Nuke? Why don't we all just vote for Arch and waste our lynch vote. A town not lynching is a town that's going to be killed by mafia.
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Interception!
(http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/fremm/images/9-anti-submarine-missile.jpg)
The missile heading towards Eetion has been shot down! There is only one nuke in the air now, it's headed towards Archz and will land in about 2 hours.
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I feel my vote on Cwarve was unjust, and although he attemped to wipe me out. It was Blackwhale who began the agression, and i still think his actions have been heavaly overlooked.
Im not here to make you save me, but save yourselfs from annihilation,
Does no one elce think it coinsodence that Black and Cwarve both luanch multiple nukes in such a quick succession, and not in a reponce to being attacked, but to seemingly innocent and threatless targets.
I bid you to reconsider the facts.
##Unvote: Cwarve
##Vote: Blackwhale
Hmm, did Cwarve know all along Eation had a STI missile?
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You mean, you are near death and now go for #2 in the hope it will safe you!
Red. Red. RED
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Wait, someone unknown saved the aids infested Eetion now?
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Ok so SDI seems to be more common than expected.
Eetion did you do it yourself or did someone decide to counteract cwaves triggerhappiness?
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Very suspicious Abyiss!
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You mean, you are near death and now go for #2 in the hope it will safe you!
Red. Red. RED
If this was the reason, would i not do something like this 1 minute before voting ended.
I have done this for people to have time to consider the facts, rather then backing your witch hunt.
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I find it interesting that Grax voted for cwave almost instantly after he fired his nukes and the second the Braid takes a short break from raiding someone interrupts a nuke heading towards ET.
Ok so SDI seems to be more common than expected.
Eetion did you do it yourself or did someone decide to counteract cwaves triggerhappiness?
Did ET block it or did you do it grax?
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Abyiss - DO NOT EDIT - <_<
It seems like a friendly soul have saved the Republic of South Africa.. Atleast for now..
I there is alot of fishy stuff going on at the moment.. Either we UN'ers are tossin alot of nukes at eachother and the Red's are hiding in their dirt-caves or we got alot of possible Red's on the run ?
The last scenario just seems too good to be the truth, yet i still do agree with some fishyness going on in Abyiss/Blackwhale/Archz camps
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If i did it myself why would i post my last 2 major posts?.
My one and only ability is that i got Aids and besides that i only want a World in Peace !
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##Vote: Tyler
This type of voting is baaaaaaad for us all Grishnag. You need to put in some content for christ sake.
Ok so SDI seems to be more common than expected.
Eetion did you do it yourself or did someone decide to counteract cwaves triggerhappiness?
I'm pretty certain that if we've got a green with interception abilities, we do not want him telling the scum by posting in the thread... I would be surprised if the abilites were in any way related to alignment, so that Abyiss has SDI doesn't really tell me much. The person with hidden SDI could also be both green or red.
Did ET block it or did you do it grax?
I'll repeat: If you're a green with SDI, DO NOT TELL THE SCUM SO THEY CAN KILL YOU. Seriously Blackwhale, are you fishing for a reveal of a green ability here?
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Grishnag keeping his well thought through votes from last game up!
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Let me get this right, you want to vote to lynch Arch, even though he's probably about to be killed by a Nuke? Why don't we all just vote for Arch and waste our lynch vote. A town not lynching is a town that's going to be killed by mafia.
It is better to lynch no one than to lynch someone innocent yes. Do you not agree?
I don't think either of the top 2 are guilty, so while it is a shame to waste a lynch, it is the least bad path.
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It is better to lynch no one than to lynch someone innocent yes. Do you not agree?
Disagree. It tells us nothing and gives the reds a free night so to speak. Voting patterns is what will win us greens the game tyler..... don't you agree?
*gazes Tyler
I can feel it in my plums Tyler.........
Take this leap of faith and lynch Abyiss, the red one.
Im willing to lay my life on the line for it.
Surely that is of more value then voting on a nuked Archz who has sipped too much from the Vodka anyway :\
Btw, Hugman, Kendoki, Surim, Vdti still need to vote.
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Hugman dead btw Cwave :)
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Mhh who else is missing then?
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I agree with Cwave that a lynch, even a bad one, will tell us more than no lynch, as we get data to work with. Just giving the scum another night to kill someone doesn't really help town in any meaningful way?
Btw, Hugman, Kendoki, Surim, Vdti still need to vote.
Palmar stated that Hugman is dead? Eh?
I'm gonna stay true to my decision of Blackwhale, as I think he's still acting in ways that hint ill intentions (asking for who did the SDI on someone I think might be green, see quote in last post), as opposed to plain confusing/bad behavior of Abyiss. The latter is certainly also acting up, but I personally see more things pointing towards Blackwhale. Let's see what the three remaining votes do (REMEMBER TO INCLUDE BLOODY REASONS).
I'm heading to bed, may we all wake up to find a better world with less suffering and conspirating nations amongst us.
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Let me get this right, you want to vote to lynch Arch, even though he's probably about to be killed by a Nuke? Why don't we all just vote for Arch and waste our lynch vote. A town not lynching is a town that's going to be killed by mafia.
It is better to lynch no one than to lynch someone innocent yes. Do you not agree?
I don't think either of the top 2 are guilty, so while it is a shame to waste a lynch, it is the least bad path.
Voting for nobody like Archz tells us nothing. If you vote for somebody you really think is guilty, it not only helps to lynch somebody better, but also tells us more about you (scum or not.)
Lynching somebody, anybody, as Cwave says, gives us information. We always need to lynch.
I'm pretty god damn sure you're axis now.
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Oh, Eetion told you :)
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Archz is more likely to be guilty than either of the other two. We are going to gain lots of info tonight. Archz is a good target in his own right. We don't know for sure that he will die.
You know pushing for a lynch "for information", instead of for actual reasons, has been a good indication of scum in the past. In fact I'm sure that's what did for you TTaM in the first game.
While I accept that he has posted badly I just don't think Sweden, with a doc type ability, is a good choice. Blackwhale should be allowed to live until his prediction that Archz is scum can be tested. If we lynch our "cop" that would be bad.
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Ups, I have already voted, but it seems like I failed with the formating (missing a #)
##Vote: Blackwhale
Now, my reason still stands. I think blackwhale is playing a dangerous game here, and is likely to do more harm than good with his premeditated launches. He might not be red, but I believe there's a great chance that he's the failed state and can do some serious damage to the world with his nukes.
With no clear red ones standing out, this will be my vote for the day.
When it comes to Cwave and Abyiss, the whole situation changed a bit when CWave's two nukes got shot down. It could have given us some information. (Could the conspiracy states have shot down their own nukes to create distance from each other?)
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Know what, my stomach says Cwave is right. And even tho Starbrow chooses to keep his vote for Blackwhale, I'm not going to..
##Unvote: Blackwhale
##Vote: Abyiss
Best be right, Cwave!
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I know i have posted badly, and i have tryed to give my resons for this.
But as Tyler has posted,
While I accept that he has posted badly I just don't think Sweden, with a doc type ability, is a good choice. If we lynch our "cop" that would be bad.
Why are we overlooking the Nucular aggressors ?
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Because nukes are not bad if they hit reds, and you have 6? voters now that believe you are\are testing Cwave.
Also, not only Blackwhale was fishing for the second SDI, Graxlos did too;
Ok so SDI seems to be more common than expected.
Eetion did you do it yourself or did someone decide to counteract cwaves triggerhappiness?
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Yeah I agree it would be stupid for another sdi person to announce himself. But I was just getting curious if it was Eetion himself that had sdi, or it could be a mafia saving him.
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For all we know, it could be Abyiss again, we don't know the roles this game, remember!
And Abyiss, if you are a green, you are not meant to be afraid of dying for the greater good, so any thoughts you have now regarding who are to trust\to hang are most welcome. You will still win the game if the UN win, if you are indeed a green as you say.
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I was mearly trying to stop Nucular fallout, who's saying 3 landed nukes would not be a win for the Fallen Nation?
If it wasnt for myself and another shooting down said nukes, the world could have been a barren wasteland.
The SDI users could of saved the world, we dont know how many nukes causes the fallen state to win?
Anyway for the greater good.
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Sorry, got caught up in wow and forgot to read this thread. From what I read over and briefly skimmed over, I believe Blackwhale was a little hastey with the nuclear warfare without discussing it much. So for that...
##VOTE: Blackwhale
Hope I got this in time...
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Abyiss lynched, night post coming up.
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(http://lolbyte.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/uTrsl.jpg)
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Chuck Testa, the younger years?
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##Night
Abyiss has been voted for death!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PHPtEW8kEro/TVPte7VF0wI/AAAAAAAAEKc/wJ-XA4DP1t4/s1600/swedish_flag_with_blue_sky_behind_ausschnitt.jpg)
As a coordinated UN attack hit the rogue country of Sweden, it's leader abyiss tried claiming ignorance. But soon enough data had been gathered to prove that Sweden was part of the conspiracy! The world sighed in relief, as they hadn't failed again, remembering the genocide of Japan.
(http://www.dv.is/media/news/story/image/abba__jpg_800x1200_q95.jpg?entry=15054)
Abyiss - Sweden has been wiped out!You are Sweden
Volvo is evil, Ikea is evil, Abba is evil, Saab is evil and Telia is most definitely evil.
You have hidden behind your neutrality for decades, only to research in secret the most advanced weaponry available to man. You have two SDI missiles available. You can use them to shoot down any nukes in the air. Please send a PM to the hosts of the game to confirm you're shooting down the warheads.
(http://cdn.edwardkhoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/nuclear-explosion.png)
The world watched in horror as a nuclear missile landed on the country represented by Archz.
A few minutes later Archz reappeared, all he said was "sup? I heard some noise..."
Apparently everything was fine...It is now night 2, you have 24 hours to submit your night actions.
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Hell YEAH!
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(http://images.free-extras.com/pics/v/vodka_drink-949.jpg)
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Yay, go town!
Archz reappearing, would that mean that Blackwhale launched a dud?
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Hmm... Archz survived does this mean he might be a failed state and having 2 lives (similar to the ninja in a previous game)?
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so i get the feeling he used his 2 sdi missiles to save himself and eetion
talking about abyiss here
its a bit odd that people can survive a nuke in the face
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As Vd said, it could have been a dud. I think it's pretty clear he was nuking Arch to stop people voting for him.
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I think you may be right Grish. I also get the feeling that Blackwhale fires blanks...
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If he did in fact use his other SDI to save Eetion, that surely puts as likely red.
Now the problem is to confirm that, without any greens standing up and claiming SDI availability.
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Great! Glad I made that switch - question now is indeed whether Abyiss used both his charges of the SDI or not.
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When justice is done, it is a joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers.
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Is that message about Arch indicative of a dud or some special perk, or are you not goign to tell us?
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So Archz did a hugman as well? Sitting on the dark side of the moon with Jimmy Hoffa and Kurt Cobain. I mean his country has been nuked, I doubt he can do much on his own.
Apologies to Cwave atleast you were 50% right, I dont really see if that puts you in the clear in terms of being a failed state. But definitely not mafia. I have no clue about Archz though, does this indicate that blackwhale was right or wrong? Blackwhale claimed to have investigated Archz so either he is lying or Archz was mafia?
Abyiss using his SDI on eetion so much later might make sense seeing his fate was sealed, and losing one less mafia might be good. But what are the odds of three nukes hitting three mafia?
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BOOM! good work!
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The pictures states an explosion......
Also, time to look at voting patterns today.
And the fact the failure of a Sintrael didnt get modkilled indicates he is problaly scum.
If there as any doc like ability in the game, i would like to request it as im sure the reds will try and hurt the raw and pure Motherland.
Radiation didnt rise did it? So a dud. Now why would a green launch a dud, the first one of the game.....
Care to explain Blackwhale?
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Radiation level might not necessarily rise from low to high or whatever from 1 nuke. It might take 2 to change.
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I Did launch a actuall warhead on archz. Im as suprised as you he turned out okey after that. This atleast gives us a hint about how many nukes we can fire.
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So you say. I'd still like Palmar to confirm that a nuke actually landed.
So Archz did a hugman as well? Sitting on the dark side of the moon with Jimmy Hoffa and Kurt Cobain. I mean his country has been nuked, I doubt he can do much on his own.
The way I read it, Arch is still alive and well.
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Abyiss using his SDI on eetion so much later might make sense seeing his fate was sealed, and losing one less mafia might be good. But what are the odds of three nukes hitting three mafia?
It is very low true but remember in the last 2 games the townies also had something of the sorts i remember you bieng one that could take 2 bullets grax
allthough abyiss using his SDI to save eetion could also be a clever plot to make him look more suspicious on the other hand it could also be a dumb move by the maffia
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Wouldn't say well, he's in Denmark!
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Is that message about Arch indicative of a dud or some special perk, or are you not goign to tell us?
That was most certainly a nuclear freaking missile.
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Radiation didnt rise did it?
Radiation indicator will be updated in the daypost
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Tbh, I think Arch is probably not in the axis. If you look at the votes from the first day, Abyiss voted to lynch him. I don't think he'd go as far as to vote for somebody on his own team in his first vote of his first game.
Which, in my eyes, kinda paints Blackwhale with that Axis brush. Check out the votes from the first day (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6352.0;attach=4451;image) with that in mind:
Those voting for Abyiss:
- Day 1: Kage (green,) Cwave (nuked a red, so 99% green) and Arches (green (veteran role))
Those voting for Arch:
- Day 1: Abyiss (red,) Hugman (unknown,) blackwhale (red) and kagemoth (green.)
I'm going to have a another browse after I've had a look at Abyiss's biggest supporters (Tyler comes to mind) and Arch's biggest denouncers.
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Thats just you coming to a conclusion you already had by looking at evidence matt. The fact that i tried to push people to vote for abyiss obviously doesn't count at all. This would mean that abyiss was sacrificed by the axis in favor of me. Despite the fact that i voted on the same person as a red on the first day, do you have any real proof that im red?
If there is a doctor i would like him to save cwave. And with Cwave being most likely to be protected im probably going to be night killed as i had nukes and to them, im a confirmed green.
I think people might be doing a misstake calling archz green just because he survived a nuke. Its almost as stupid as calling ET red just because he got saved or me red because archz didnt die.
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@Yoica, checked the voting spreadsheet, and it didn't have the vote changes really up.to.date from the last two hours, atleast my change wasn't registered.
So, with one certain red out of the picture, we assume we have 3-4 left, in addition to the failed state. I figured I'd post who I thought were the most likely to be scumlords.
As for the failed state, it's without a doubt Blackwhale, for me, unless Cwave is playing us all. Blackwhale not only have been shitstirring and made weird posts, but the nuke he fired towards Archz was fired on a hunch, that's just not what a greenie would do, unless he was batshit insane. Also, his recent megadefensive post seals it for me.
As previously mentioned, Tyler has been playing differently, I dare say his language is getting close to how Delling normally write(more witty than informative, that's not how you've been in the games when you were town, which you've been all games so far?). I re-read your posts, and other than that I agree that claiming to be North Korea is the weirdest move ever, you do not seem to act in the best interest of the town more than those you accuse. Also surprisingly low post-count, I hope I am wrong as you're a strong player I really don't want to be red.
And then there's the fact that ET's doom got suddenly cancelled, followed by the lynch of someone who apparently could shoot down two airborne nukes.. all of it happening in the b-raid 10 minute break. By far the most clear red in my book.
Surim, as I mentioned earlier have made posts that don't connect the dots at all. Therefore he will also be in my list of supsichious people I'll be hawkeyeing from now on, hoping for them all to be false posetives. Along with Grish, grish is odd this game..
Further, I figured sharing who I put some trust in at this point could be interesting. As of now, Starbrow, Cwave and TTaM seem to have the purest intentions. I'm very uncertain of Yoica, but his voting makes him pretty green in my eyes.
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I thank you comrad Cwave for convincing me to kill the swedish scum! South Africa is proud of the cold north.
(http://www.merch-bot.com/media/catalog/category/hammer-sickle-yellow-on-red.gif)
Now to the matter of my nuke getting cancelled:
Abyiss had 2 SDI's and tried to save his own skin by saving me, to make it seem like he was more green than he actually was. Or to make me more suspicious by the end of his own faith.
Or someone else has saved me! In the case of it being someone else who has saved me, i thank you for the SDI and i hope you will keep your mouth shut about it if you are green! Although it would seem more obvious that Abyiss was told to use his second aswell, to try and frame me for a day 3 lynch.
Fortunately i can safely say that aint gon' happen.
As for the Sake of Archz showing up again, there is a couple of things that can be the case. Either Arches is a horrible town and play a veteran Role with 2 lives or Arches play a failed state role, much like the ninja, and also has 2 lives. We havnt got much info about what countries have and what they do not have, so it would be safe to assume one of the two would be likely. I myself believe he is a failed state with two lives.
That said, it is good to keep in mind these things about Archz, but i dont think Archz needs to be our necessary next target to kill - depends on his actions ofcourse but i see better targets.
Tyler for example has stepped up for Abyiss, i think this post carries a sound argument that could make Tyler a possible Red aswell.
So let me get this straight. You guys think that Sweden, who has an SDI ability, is one of the axis of evil. Well you could be right I guess... Ofc the axis have a much better chance to lie about countries (they know all the other axis countries, so could swap).
On the whole though I would say we must have a better target to pick than someone who has revealed a very green like ability. Lets go through some of the other recent movers.
Blackwhale: Currently lies second in votes. Claims to have info that Archz is axis. Voted for him, so it makes sense that he would have investigated. We will see the truth come 12, so why would anyone vote for him? Better to wait and see.
Cwave: Appears that the power had driven him psychotic. It is a better idea to vote for people than nuke. Nuking should be a last resort if you feel the game is slipping away. We are on day 2. Still I don't think he is axis as he had some good ideas about how many of them there would be. I don't think he would volunteer this if he was scum. Could be a failed state I guess, but I find this unlikely given the target choice and timing of his attacks.
Abyiss: As I said above, although it is possible he is axis, I think it unlikely. His posts were pretty bad, but I think that is most likely because he is just bad.
I am a little uncertain as to who to vote for now as I think we should not kill either of the current top 2, Blackwhale and Abyiss. I'm going to suggest Archz as he is (probably) already dead and is always a good idea.
##Unvote: TTaM
##Vote: Archz
I am interested as to Grish's reasoning for voting for me. Bare votes are not good green play.
I found Yoica's claim that I started a bandwagon to save Abyiss pretty odd. I don't really understand Shiftey getting so behind Cwave. Grax is not being very constructive. I still think TTaM is sus, because of the Kage vote and the wall of text based on not declaring country. Most other people I am neutral on atm.
Also noting that one of my prime suspects Vdti poked his nose out from his dirt cave somewhere in the Bushes, generally there is no real content in his posts, but he does have the fishing rod out for a possible green with Hidden SDI who might have saved me.
Yay, go town!
Archz reappearing, would that mean that Blackwhale launched a dud?
If he did in fact use his other SDI to save Eetion, that surely puts as likely red.
Now the problem is to confirm that, without any greens standing up and claiming SDI availability.
I think Vdti and Tyler are some worthy considerations for a next lynch.
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I know i have posted badly, and i have tryed to give my resons for this.
But as Tyler has posted,
While I accept that he has posted badly I just don't think Sweden, with a doc type ability, is a good choice. If we lynch our "cop" that would be bad.
Why are we overlooking the Nucular aggressors ?
I forgot a quote from Abyiss in my part about Tyler being a possible Red aswell
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I would just like to comment on this one:
Now to the matter of my nuke getting cancelled:
Abyiss had 2 SDI's and tried to save his own skin by saving me, to make it seem like he was more green than he actually was. Or to make me more suspicious by the end of his own faith.
The first option here is really out of the question, as we did not know he had two SDIs before he was dead, and he did not disclose the origin of the second SDI as him self. So if he really did want to make him self look green, he did a terrible job.
As for the second option, it's more plausible, however I also see it as likely that the mafia would prefer to have one more night action from Eetion (given that he's red) instead of him dying the day before.
When it comes to your opinion that I was fishing for green SDIs, I think I made it pretty clear that I did not want a green to reveal his SDI capabilities?
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You are implying in your comment that you see me as a Red target. I think i have made it pretty clear that i am indeed have no part to play in the axis of evil.
Only time will take you out of your oblivious state of mind. If Abyiss saved me with his last SDI, it has been done to frame me for the upcoming day 3 lynch. However i can tell you that looking upon me as Red has no use. I am a green and time will tell.
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Eetion, Blackwhale...
what the hell, you two are calling yourself 100% greens on no basis at all.
Why are you 2 trying so desperately to be confirmed? To make you a better target for the Axis at night? Because that's exactly what you are doing. Or, you are part of the Axis and trying to convince everyone that you are in fact greens and are our friends... I suspected both of you before, and I still suspect you a lot. You're definitely not cleared and definitely not confirmed green.
Not even Cwave is a confirmed green, however, however... he's fairly certainly not Axis, but he could be a failed state (Russia is a failed state, dont deny that :D). Cause if Eetion is Axis as my suspicion is, Cwave nuking 2 Axis guys would make no sense.
Right now you 2 are making really a nice place on my Axis list.
There are also some other people we should certainly look into.
Surim, Sintrael, Tyler, Grishnag
Surim doesnt talk at all. He's just lurking everywhere, almost didnt vote
Sintrael, should have gotten modkilled, why didnt he? he posted 7 times during a day, failed to vote, all his posts were pretty much one liners with nothing, claims has no time and no internet, but posts so many times? bullshit
Tyler, quite a few people now noticed he's acting a bit differently than usual, also he defended Abyiss just prior to the lynch more than normal person would, voted for a nuke target, basically wasted his vote, didnt know where to put it? didnt wanna look too suspicious?
Grishnag, he just voted.... yeah not a word with it, just a vote, he's terrible, he's useless, lurking in the shadows
All these people I mention above are on my suspicious list.
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Sweden evil eh. Fuck me. Well I guess I should stop the TTaM hate then and accept that NK could be a good guy.
So it looks like Blackwhale does not fire blanks. Archz must have some sort of immunity. Unfortunately this does not tell us his alignment. He could be anything still. It also does not tell us anything about Blackwhale. Abyiss voted for Blackwhale, and Archz in the first round.
We are also much clearer about ET. It could be that a silent green saved him, but why would anyone do that? I'm not ruling it out, but the person that saved him would need to be sure that ET was also green. The simpler explanation is that ET is red and Abyiss saved him.
Grish is now interesting me. If Sweden is evil then Canada sure could be. He started the reveal train, voted for Kage and finally me with no reasoning. Surim was also very keen on revealing.
As for me as I stood up for Abyiss I am sure I look pretty sus to a few of you. It was just a mistake. I was paying too much attention to the country and not enough to posts. This is probably a bit winfom, but if I was really scum there is no way I would have stuck my neck out about someone so likely to get lynched. I would have just voted Blackwhale... If he is also scum then I would have picked one to hang out to dry.
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Can Palmar confirm is Archz is still in the game?
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ah damn that should read "not much clearer about ET"
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Can Palmar confirm is Archz is still in the game?
yep
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I understand your concern Siftey, and i know you have reasons not to necessarry trust people. After all i did send Abyiss to the abyss.
However as you know from Day posts, someone is sick, and it aint getting better. Everyday we are given an update on how the illness is progressing - And i am the one with the Aids here.
Do you possibly think that a mafia person would be diseased, and there will be given updates on disease?.
I know it is weird to say, but it all comes clear when dawn comes.
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Indeed, I do not see any logical scenario where a green would save Eetion, either (@Tyler). Oh, and if we assume Abyiss shot down both, Archz is pretty likely a good guy too, no?
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Actually shiftey,
As per usual you're talking out of your ass when quoting me. I _dont_ have internet at home. Fact. I do have a busy job. Fact. As i stated right at the start of the game, it was also why i was so reluctant to sign up, incase this might happen.
I didnt get a chance to vote yesterday, was too busy at work and still has no nets, so i'm surprised i'm not dead yet indeed. I wont say anything game related until palmar lets me kno if i'm alive or not.
Seriously tho shiftey, you seem to have a vendetta when it comes to talking about me on the internet. Remove head from ass plz.
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You posted 7 times that day and had no time to vote? On anyone? Just to avoid modkill? Yeah right.
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Sint, that is such bull! You made 7!!! posts yesterday, more than most, and the last one was 16:24 UK time. Don't say shit about not being able to vote.
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Vorte: I'm not sure what it says about Archz. I don't think its clear that he is a good guy at all. I am interested to hear his version of events.
Shiftey: Voting for Archz is *never* a wasted vote.
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Sigh, i just spoke to palmar who said he spared me, he knew the circumstance i was under. I posted 7 times yes cos i happened to have 5 mins here and there that i could. I'm not making this shit up, if something comes my way, like it did yesterday, then i have to do it, i was delivering files before i went home yesterday so i wasnt even at my desk. Why would i knowingly get myself modkilled..
Anyway, my nets are being installed today so it wont happen again.
So abyiss was red indeed! I'm still baffled as to how Cwave was so sure.
Dont have time to make an analytical post right now, but i probs will later.
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Actually shiftey,
As per usual you're talking out of your ass when quoting me. I _dont_ have internet at home. Fact. I do have a busy job. Fact. As i stated right at the start of the game, it was also why i was so reluctant to sign up, incase this might happen.
I didnt get a chance to vote yesterday, was too busy at work and still has no nets, so i'm surprised i'm not dead yet indeed. I wont say anything game related until palmar lets me kno if i'm alive or not.
Seriously tho shiftey, you seem to have a vendetta when it comes to talking about me on the internet. Remove head from ass plz.
You fucking sucked for not voting in one of those 7 posts. Everyone has busy jobs and lives, and im pretty sure more busy then yours. You posted 7 times but didnt manage your time and forgot to vote. Only reason i see you being alive is that your are Red and only 4 reds are in this game. Hence Palmar's nice behaviour.
If i get the chance, ill nuke the shit out of you! :)
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Sigh. How is this too hard for you to understand? Believe it or not i did intend to vote but got called away from my desk. Nothing i could do.
Palmar spared me cos i'd explained to him right at the start of the game, and many times before hand, that this might happen cos i dont have webs at home. As i said, i wasnt going to sign up at all until he pursuaded me to be the last sign up.
I know this is hard for you, but how about we carry on as if this hadnt happened - as we should. Cos this isnt game related in the slightest. I'm not red, i couldnt post, shit happens, get over it.
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Good apology.
Not.
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It's ridiculous that it happened, but let it rest. It adds nothing to the game.
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Sure.
Next time it happens ill Tsar bomb the person so hard in the ass the boom goes around the earth twice.
Thats right, twice!!!
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Aye sorry, Shifey's shit stirring blinded me.
Sorry for this, my nets are being installed as we speak so it wont happen again.
Sorry all.
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Sure.
Next time it happens ill Tsar bomb the person so hard in the ass the boom goes around the earth twice.
Thats right, twice!!!
France approves this action
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Sure.
Next time it happens ill Tsar bomb the person so hard in the ass the boom goes around the earth twice.
Thats right, twice!!!
France approves this action
Only a failed state could...
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Yoica his spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlDyVLeNU3r7dE5yQVdXQVh4RlNGSTZQMlpZV3dzVVE&hl=en_US#gid=0
Seeing as who Abyiss voted for are me and Archz, im gonna make the assumption Archs is a green veteran but he will need to speak up about what happened last night.
Futher more, Grax voted on me but that's only after i had send some "negation material" into the evening sky. Fair enough.
If you then look into Yoica his spreadsheet, you see when i started digging into Abyiss a couple of people followed. Mainly after Abyiss counter votes me, sealing his fate. There is an error in the sheet btw Yoica, tyler switches from TTaM to go for a wasted vote(at that moment) on Archz who is getting nuked and Eetion goes from Archz to Abyiss.
Very very weird behaviour and completly contra productive. Doesnt make him a red as of yet. Does make him a bit dumb. And tyler isnt dumb.... So..........
Then last but not least, there is bound to be scum in the Abyiss voters. The scum most likely had a chance to hang blackwhale late in the evening but couldnt because it would have raised to much attention. Or a double bluff and hang Abyiss with 2/3 of them.
The Abyiss voters are
Blackwhale : Fired the first nuke in the game based on something seen in the night. Failed state maybe?
Cwave: Mother Russia and proud permanently seated in the UN security council
Shiftey: Voted late. Nothing that raises him as red. Random kendoki vote on day1, maybe to start discussion?
Eetion: Something with aids. Dunno who saved him and why.
Vorte: Tja.... Vorte. Your late switch from Blackwhale was a good one which also could mean you switching to cover up your true colour. And, you are vorte.
Yoica: The spreadsheet makes you innocent in my view.
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Thanks for catching the mistake Cwave, it's been fixed.
I think you are correct about there being at least some scum within the Abyiss votes. There is also another set of voters that need to looked at. Those that voted for Blackwhale since he was only other option that might have saved Abyiss. The following is a bit of a dangerous leap in thought, but I'm currently of the opinion that all the mafia voted for either Abyiss to hide themselves or Blackwhale to try and save and abyiss.
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I'm not convinced of Cwave's greenery, the nukes he launched seem very random to me. For all we know he could have planned on ET's one being shot down himself.
Forgive me if i'm wrong but i dont see Cwave as confirmed green.
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In the possible scenario where Cwave, Abyiss and Eetion are all red, they would have used CWave's special ability, and both of Abyiss' abilities to get Cwave undercover as a green.
And all this before any of them had heat towards them. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I would think it's unlikely that they would waste all their special abilities this soon (and one, maybe two with the suspicion against eetion) for that goal alone, at least this early in the game.
Given that it's 4-5 mafia, that would be half of their special abilities, and on day 2.
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Aye fair point. The thing that makes it seem fishy to me though is that cwave launched those 2 nukes with not much to go on, and then they both get shot down. We dont kno if it was abyss that shot down the nuke heading for ET (do we?). But it seems weird to save him (eetion) unless he's either red or someone else is trying to divert attention by saving him and making him a point of focus.
In this scenario Cwave could be red. Its a well known tactic to throw a red to the dogs early to get things going.
I'm basing this arguement solely on the fact that cwave launched 2 nukes for no reason. When i questioned him on it first (even though abyss did turn out to be red) he gave no further insight as to how he knew abyss was red, so he either knew because he's red himself or got lucky.
Considering the odds of getting lucky, the other seems likely, unless he has info that we're not all partial to.
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I did launch for good reasons. One is that im fearfull im geting lynched. I wanted to atleast put my power to good use. I decided i just would pick a couple of newbies and start giving them flack. Abyiss just gave bad answers :\ So when i wasnt getting my way, i nuked him. Followed by him saving himself, making it worse. Followed by him voting on me, making it worse. And finnaly, him being red as i suspected!
Eetion i nuked because of the weird aids play.
And last but not least, i wanted to show everyone i had two nukes.......
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Lol. The only inconsistency really is who shot down ET's nuke, i'm right in thinking we dont know that yet?
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I have no idea who shot down that one.
Also i waited till 15:59 to prevent a nuclear holocaust.
Green and proud of it.
Mother Russia for life.
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Preventing nuclear holocaust by launching 2 nukes. I like it.
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As my grandmother Natasja von Nittengrad used to say
Вы должны быть жестоким, чтобы быть добрым
Or for the english folks in here:
You have to be cruel to be kind
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I was quite surprised by Cwaves nukes that seemed quite unbased, but if he keeps his win ratio up town will win (if the failed state doesnt win by nuclear fallout).
I think that the scenarios where Cwave is red are quite unlikely, if anything he would be a failed state. I would find it weird though if the failed state was given tons of nukes.
If he is the failed state its going pretty well for him, I do wonder though if he also has SDI defense, if not its pretty brave to nuke two other countries that might be able to retaliate.
Blackwhale started the nuclear ball rolling, he claimed he had investigated Archz and he turned red so Archz is a red veteran?
Would a failed state turn out red as well?
We could have a framer in this game as well.
The likely scenario is that Blackwhale or Archz is scum, would a framer have targeted archz on the first night?
Personally I dont see the difference in Tylers play, but he is very stubborn.
Eetions survival is a mystery, if the aids thing is true then he cant be mafia, it wouln't make sense. If I had SDI I would probably have done something similar though, I guess undetonated nukes dont raise the radiation level.
I dont really see how Yoica becomes innocent based on a spreadsheet that doesnt nothing but present available data, Im sure the excel lover Starbrow would have made one if Yoica didnt beat him to it :P Its a pretty easy cover without giving any information that could incriminate you.
The late votes could be interesting to look at, Surim voted for blackwhale 2 minutes to midnight, trying to be sure to make the final vote?
Vorte changing from blackwhale to abyiss 34 minutes to lynch time, a bold move could be a mafia sacrifice or just a strangely late decision.
Vdti voted for blackwhale a few minutes earlier, being very vague about his decision.
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I would just like to point out that I voted for Blackwhale just after he launched his first nuke, but I failed by missing a '#' in my vote so it wasn't picked up by the bot, and probably not the excel sheet.
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You can all think about me and my aids as you want.
As for the part on who and why the nuke towards me was shot down, i believe it is an act done from abyiss, as the Axis people could see that Abyiss was likely to be taken down, they made him use his 2nd SDI in an attempt to frame me as being Red.
I know Abyiss public announced the first SDI, but if you read:
You are Sweden
Volvo is evil, Ikea is evil, Abba is evil, Saab is evil and Telia is most definitely evil.
You have hidden behind your neutrality for decades, only to research in secret the most advanced weaponry available to man. You have two SDI missiles available. You can use them to shoot down any nukes in the air. Please send a PM to the hosts of the game to confirm you're shooting down the warheads.
It says nothing about him having to public announce if he is shooting down the Nukes, which means that he could very well have been the one taking my nuke down.
Now you ask - But why?. Pretty simple, if the world ends in a nuclear winter The Failed states wins and Axis and UN loses, so instead of polluting the world more than necessarry, they try to frame me into being saved by a Red and therefor likely to be taken down in the next days lynch.
However i'm telling you this again, even though i have been having this Aids thing going, you should all wait until the Dawn of day 3 before you start putting me into any kind of Axis business. It will be alot more clear to you that i am a true Green and my people, the people of South Africa, only want to see a no-radiant solution and to find a world in peace and not in constant war against eachother.
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Oh yeah sorry vdti, i missed that.
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Just a thought. If Eetion's country dies to AIDS, isn't that, by default, a failed state? :)
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haha Win condition: Take the rest with you!
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I have this feeling, if the aids thing is true, that he'll be able to infect people
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Only if we bend over and let him. Stand fast!
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Sadly but true, i deliver any Aids to any of you, if it was so India would be my first target of choice :D.
And if i were a Failed state, it would be rather hard to actually "pray" for the rest to smash Nuclear warheads at eachother after you have perished from Aids.
I'm gonna say it again, if i do not get Axis killed tonight, it should all be alot more clear when dawn comes.
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Sadly but true, i deliver any Aids to any of you, if it was so India would be my first target of choice :D.
Sadly but true, i cannot deliver any Aids to any of you,***
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I'm guessing he has the ability to infect 1 country when he dies. Perhaps a chain effect, so in another 2 days, another country dies and gets infected... an interesting mechanic"
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If only i could :(
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The problem with such mechanic though would be that the "host" would have to choose a new target for the disease, so lets say i could give it away and gave it to a green guy, it would litteraly be a Mafia kill 2 days later. Then the green have to choose, and having odds against him would probably get yet another green infected, which leads to another extra mafia kill.
Even if i hit a mafia, first, it would still be an extra townie kill for the mafia the 2nd "bounce".
It would be an interesting mechanic, but also way to random and i would say totaly favorizes mafia to win games if such thing was to be truth.
Instead of thinking about my Aids, you should instead use that energy on finding scums, there is no need to try and find conspiracy in whether or not this Aids can hurt you. The Aids is my burden, and mine only to bear.
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Maybe it's to compensate for a lack of other abilities for the mafia. Maybe you are mafia and it's your poisoning ability.
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Right, first thing :
Sindia you suck for not voting, for whatever reason(s) you may had.
Second, the revealing of countries :
Been reading from the start and something been bugging me and i cant seem to get around it, the following :
Poor South Korea :( So many SC2 players gone!
Who's behind it I wonder?!
Where Archz replies :
North Korea ofc!
Then Grishnag starts the whole revealing of country thing, followed by Yoica, Vdti, Eetion, Kagemoth, Archz and then TTaM claims to be indeed North Korea.
I get the feeling Archz fucked up with him saying "North Korea ofc!" and where Grishnag and Yoica tried to safe the situation by revealing themselfs to be Canada and Germany and hoping that people followed which many did and therefor let the whole Archz saying "NK ofc!" blow over. Later TTaM somewhat safely says he is indeed North Korea.
Third, the voting :
TTaM has 3 votes at 16:00
Kagemoth has 4 votes at 16:00
Abyss has 3 votes at 16:00
Archz has 2 votes at 16:00
TTaM has 4 votes at 22:00
Kagemoth has 5 votes at 22:00
Archz has 4 votes at 22:00
Abyss has 1 vote at 22:00
TTaM votes for Kagemoth for one bullshit reason.
Grishnag is following the one with the most votes at 17:00, making Kagemoth with 5 votes. Reason Grishnag picks Kagemoth is he copies the reason from 3 other people.
Yoica picks a random target with no votes at 18:00, in this case Eetion.
Archz switches the latest at 22:00 to Eetion also, for being silent.
Abyss picks the most stupid one, Archz.
All with all their votes are very simple, with no real reason, while the rest of us build up their votes with arguments.
Anyway, this is after re-reading day one and with Abyss being in mind for a member of the Axis of Evil. Dinner now....
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One thing I cannot get out of my mind is this:
IF the mafia shot down the nuke headed for Eetion in an attempt to frame him as a red, what would they gain? If they did nothing he would be dead anyways?
By saving him, they gave him another night to use his night time ability (should he have one), and then hope for us to vote him for a lynch the next day. I don't see what they would gain from this, it just prolongs Eetion's life by a night.
Now, if we vote to kill him, and he's green, what would the mafia have accomplished? Okey, we killed a green, but he would have been dead already if they didn't save him?
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A wasted vote is a mafia vote. That's potentially part of the axis that is now alive instead of Eetion.
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It would only make sense to for the axis to save ET if it would give him time to use his night action. Perhaps aids works as the poison kill did in earlier games, you rape someone and they have another day to live.
Abyiss could have saved ET and then have him not use his night action aswell (if he have one) and by that make him look green.
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A wasted vote is a mafia vote. That's potentially part of the axis that is now alive instead of Eetion.
This is true, but it would also mean that we did not kill another green. Could this perhaps mean that the mafia feels pressured?
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To answer Blackwhale, there is another reason why the mafia would stop a nuke, using and SDI from an Axis member who is by 99.99% dead already, i wrote it before and its here again. Axis and UN loses if the world ends in a Nuclear Winter/radiation gets too high.
You can all think about me and my aids as you want.
As for the part on who and why the nuke towards me was shot down, i believe it is an act done from abyiss, as the Axis people could see that Abyiss was likely to be taken down, they made him use his 2nd SDI in an attempt to frame me as being Red.
I know Abyiss public announced the first SDI, but if you read:
You are Sweden
Volvo is evil, Ikea is evil, Abba is evil, Saab is evil and Telia is most definitely evil.
You have hidden behind your neutrality for decades, only to research in secret the most advanced weaponry available to man. You have two SDI missiles available. You can use them to shoot down any nukes in the air. Please send a PM to the hosts of the game to confirm you're shooting down the warheads.
It says nothing about him having to public announce if he is shooting down the Nukes, which means that he could very well have been the one taking my nuke down.
Now you ask - But why?. Pretty simple, if the world ends in a nuclear winter The Failed states wins and Axis and UN loses, so instead of polluting the world more than necessarry, they try to frame me into being saved by a Red and therefor likely to be taken down in the next days lynch.
However i'm telling you this again, even though i have been having this Aids thing going, you should all wait until the Dawn of day 3 before you start putting me into any kind of Axis business. It will be alot more clear to you that i am a true Green and my people, the people of South Africa, only want to see a no-radiant solution and to find a world in peace and not in constant war against eachother.
The only reason to save me is to avoid unecessarry pollution, along with frameing me as an Axis member, this part has clearly succeeded, yet im finding it hard to believe that everyone seems to be so concerned about me, im gonna try once again - It will all be sorted when morning comes, and hopefully all of you will see that i have been framed and is not a part of any evil Axis..
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Good posts from Kendo and Grax. I would like to add/reinforce a few points.
Yoica's sheet, while very useful, is no indication of innocence. Remember Emptyy!
I agree that Cwave is not completely proven green. While it is unlikely that the axis would have blown so many abilities to get us to believe one of there own was innocent, it is possible. We don't want a Kawe situation again. I really do find it improbable though, just something to bear in mind.
I don't think we can conclude anything from ET being saved. We don't know which side did it. The axis might simply have done it to protect the world from fallout and not waste Abyiss' second SDI. They might have figured he would die of aids anyway or get lynched. Alternatively a green with SDI might have seen ETs posts when he knew he was going to die and decided to save him.
Also I forgot to make this point here after getting warned for doing it on IRC. IMO nuke launches should not affect the way we want to vote. They might be duds or the target might have a "veteran" type ability. We should vote regardless.
Other random thoughts. Shiftey is very quiet this game. I still think the "let's reveal country" train was a bad idea and was pushed by axis to find their best target. Surim and Grish are now totally silent.
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A wasted vote is a mafia vote. That's potentially part of the axis that is now alive instead of Eetion.
But they could have left ET to die and then got another green lynched.
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Or they could have gotten ET killed and not another green? Which green doesn't matter. They had something to make ET look red, they used it. You are just making a useless point.
Though, I do agree that some people are really too quiet.
Also a note, so far your game Tyler has basically been:
- Kesh is evil
- Kesh is evil
- Kesh is evil
- Kesh is evil
- Kesh might be good after all
Which sounds to me like it will be shortly followed by:
- Kesh has been killed by the mafia.
I see you plan!
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Shocking news! The great country of Mexico has been wiped out during the night. Nothing remains where once there was a ton of hats, tequila and aztec buildings. No one cares about the Aztec buildings, but we kinda miss them hats.
All the UN investigations found were some drugs, well... it's Mexico.
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Vorte - Mexico - has been annihilated!You are Mexico
You are Mexico, you just like Tacos.
That's about it.
Oh, and you smuggle drugs. You can choose one player to give cocaine one night. They effectively become crazy, and if they are visited during the night they will murder the shit out of their visitor.
Latest headlines!(http://media.nowpublic.net/images//d8/e/d8e7500cca8b4bd0e01f982ace106f83.jpg)
Eetion, the President of South Africa has long fought a losing battle against AIDS in his country. It has now become clear that the battle is lost! Every citizen of South Africa has been infected with the deadly Virus. This is terrible news, as it's a doom judgement over the South African people.
Be nice to them as their nation lives out it's last days.
In other news...Radiation levels are LowSomeone is feeling sick!It is now day 3, night falls 23:59 thursday evening
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Eetion was green, then.
Poor Vorte :(
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So here's me and why I don't like Sintrael.
He claims he couldnt have voted, because too busy. Well He posted several times a day, all of his posts are uuuuuuuuuuuseless as fuck, just jibberish, but more importantly, failing to vote?
For a fact I know Sintrael has HTC Sensation and if I can play from my Xperia Arc on my commute from work, so can he.
Why didn't he get modkilled. Obviously losing another axis member just to pure stupidity would ruin the game and kill everything.
And I am sorry I sound like a heartless shrew, but this is just plain weird. No fucking excuse, I am sorry.
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Or they could have gotten ET killed and not another green? Which green doesn't matter. They had something to make ET look red, they used it. You are just making a useless point.
I don't think you get me Kesh. Look at it this way, there are 4 scenarios
1) ET gets nuked, a green gets lynched. 2-0 to reds
2) ET gets saved, then lynched. 1-0 to reds.
3) ET gets nuked, a red gets lynched 1-1 draw
4) ET gets saved, a red gets lynched 0-1 to the greens.
Now we know that 4 can't happen as he is going to die anyway, but the reds did not know that.
That is not a useless point. Option 2 is worse for the mob than option 1. Option 4 is worse than option 3. It would be a brave play to think by saving ET the reds would get option 2 ahead of 3. Brave or not very good a game theory.
You also have my game plan wrong
- Kesh is dumb.
- Kesh is evil.
- Kesh is dumb and possibly evil. Mainly dumb.
I can agree on one thing. Poor Vorte, RIP.
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I can agree on one thing. Poor Vorte, RIP.
Yeah, where are you getting your cocaine now?
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Finally i can get rid of the conspiracy around me and my people. My numbers are counted, enjoy my company for as long as it may last.
My main suspects are still Vdti, Surim and recently Sintrael. Sintrael seems to have gone all defensive mode about his absence - yes i know i had one myself, for reasons - But i think sintrael has chosen a rather aggressive way to elaborate for his absence.
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Ok, I concede you have a point!
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so what can we conclude?
eetion was green but we can't tell who saved him and why.
palmars last message seems to indicate that the aids was contagious.
sad to lose our angry doctor that would not only save a player but would also have killed a mafia.
I'm quite curious to hear from archz. they must have internet in hirtshals.
in general I don't think the night has shone a whole lot of new light on the situation.
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The Axis were nice enough to role-block me last night.
P.S. Or am I scum and wasted a role-block to make me look green? Someone is bound to ask that so I figured I'd just it out the way or does this make me even more suspicious? Oh the dilemma!
Role blocks only affect night actions?
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Btw, did no one get role-blocked the previous night? and did anyone get vote-blocked for today?
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Btw, did no one get role-blocked the previous night? and did anyone get vote-blocked for today?
Yes, Eetion did.
The way I know that, is because I was the one who did it. I really thought he was scum :P The outcome for the mafia would have been better by letting him die, IMO.
Telling this might make me a target, but so far this ability has been pretty useless for me :P
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Where did certain people go?
Grishnag only has his one liners, as useless as his RP in last game, where he did not give any input at all. This time around its the same.
Shiftey is being a silent dick, only fueling his anger and rage towards Sindia. Not being constructive as he was before.
Archz is back from his trip, or whatever?
Back to work!
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So, reading the last few pages again and trying to unfuck my brain.
We've all been stuck in a wifom around SDI and Eetion, now his death hopefully puts that behind, because it felt like we were stuck arguing about the same thing over and over again with no result and it was not helping.
Here are my current thoughts.
First of all, gonna react to the recent events. I wanna suspect Vdti, because his posts are basically just asking questions, but not ever giving answers. Except for the last one where he admits to have role-blocking power? Green state with role-blocking power? I guess everything is possible in this game. I don't see why a bad guy would come forth with thsi kind of a thing, unless he was trying to trick us all and play us.
Now the suspicions that I have.
Grishnag, Surim and Sintrael
I put them in a nice pile because they share the same thing. Their posts are short, often one-liners. Help in no way, they lurk in shadows. We can't get a grasp of what's going on if we are not all participating. And these 3 are not helping.
Also to add one thing about Sintrael, not voting is very convenient for member of Axis, we have no voting record to check later on, and that's just terrible. My big red nuke button finger is itching right now just to teach him a lesson. Although as improbable as I think is the fact that the Axis would actually be totally silent. We can never rule that out.
Blackwhale:
he fucking launched a nuke and almost started a nuclear winter and then went silent pretty much, he definitely is not in the clear at all (despite the fact he claimed 100% green on no basis), because we know nothing of Archz (but he seems to have survived a nuke? what the hell yeah), he claims to have investigative powers, so I am hoping we can see some input from him from his last night action
Tyler: I still don't trust Tyler. Mainly because the way he stood up for Abyiss, refusing to go with us and vote for him and rather ditching his vote on a nuke target Archz. Something that just doesnt make any sense to me. Sure now we know Archz can survive a nuclear attack, but how would Tyler know? It really feels like he just needed to put his vote somewhere and do the least harm with it.
Also let's look at Vorte, since he got butchered last night. His posts are one-liners up until the penultimate one, where he puts forth some suspects and some people who he thinks are green.
I wanna also mention that Vorte was the last to switch a vote from Blackwhale to Abyiss, thus sealing his fate. Maybe it was a revenge, cold blooded revenge from the Axis, pretty harsh.
Anyway Vorte says that he thinks Blackwhale is a failed state (or possibly Cwave). He then talks about the ET's nuke and the SDI, something about a b-raid break and everything happening in it, which I am not sure what it implies as I have no clue who b-raiders are.
He also suspects Surim and Grishnag, basically for same reasons as me, they are silent.
Finally, Vorte puts forth some names he believes are green. Starbrow, Cwave, TTaM and he also trusts Yoica.
Not sure if his death was just a revenge for his final vote switch or if there is some clever plan behind it in attempt to paint someone red.
There are my thoughts on the state of the game right now.
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The way I understood it, Eetion isn't dead yet is he? From Palmar's post, it says "Be nice to them as their nation lives out it's last days.".
So, is Eetion still alive or?
Another thing that crossed my mind when reading Shiftey's post is that Blackwhale claimed investigative powers, and yet he wasn't killed during the night. From my point of view, that sounds strange and makes me even more suspicious towards him.
We'll see what he has to say after last night.
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Due to color-failure from the last post:
So, is Eetion still alive or?
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Good lord Shiftey, i'm beginning to think you have a medical condition.
I COULD NOT POST
I dont know how much clearer i can make this. Yes i have a net fone, did you think i'd forgotten that? Funny thing about net fones is that they require signal.
And whats the deal with casting me in a negative light all the time. My posts are reasonable, i post long posts when i have some thoughts, or one line responses when thats all thats needed.
Are you for some reason a better player because you spam walls of hate text? You never actually respond to anything you know, you just repeat the same things about people.
Your last couple of posts have basically all been about me and how i could have posted when i've clearly stated that i couldnt. How is that more useful then say my post on Cwave, that sparked a useful discussion on the issue.
Anyway,
Blackwhale has indeed been rather quiet after he launched the first nuke.
Someone else is sick now? So we have a time limit on how long we have til we all die from AIDS?
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Due to color-failure from the last post:
So, is Eetion still alive or?
Eetion is still alive. He has even posted since day break.
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Due to color-failure from the last post:
So, is Eetion still alive or?
Yes, but all of africa has aids and death is due
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A new dawn, and I'm at a boring lecture, thus it has been analysis time!
Kendoki:
Was apparently voteblocked on day 2, which on first thought should make him green. The problem is that we have no clue who has what abilities, including voteblocking, so I'm not so sure. He's made some good posting though, so I'm leaning on green.
Shiftey:
Suspicious of Sintrael/Surim/Grishnag, most of which is decently justified. I think he is overemphasizing the whole "no net for sintrael" though. Puts some heat on Tyler for his Abyiss support, but I think there's a bit too much wifom logic in his analysis, when you remember that Tyler could just genuinely have thought that Abyiss was green, a noob and thus, bad. In general I think Shiftey is over-aggressive in several parts of his analysis.
Sintrael:
Had a rough time with internets. Otherwise lacking content. I hope you're going to pick it up now Sint, and put in some proper contributions. If you continue on a silent/small post streak I would mean you're out of excuses and start to look red. For now, I know RL can be a bitch, and I'm cool with cutting you some slack. Not for long though.
Surim:
Posted some rather weird shit on day one. A part that really stands out is his suggestion that we should all reveal our countries, yet he hasn't done so himself. I think this very weird, and it might be an indication that he's not working with the general wellbeing of the UN in mind.
TTaM:
Lots of posts throughout the game, and started out a bit aggressively. I think this is pretty normal for TTaM though, so that in and of itself doesn't say much. He's had good analysis, good questions and doesn't afraid of anything. However, I think that this statement of his has been too overlooked:
Definitely think more votes for Abyiss at this point is a bit pointless then.
I'm just going to vote for Kagemoth instead.
##Vote: Kagemoth
The excuse seemed to be that Abyiss might be modkilled, but it could also be a very subtle deflection attempt from a red to a green.
Tyler:
Several people have been very critical of Tylers posting this game. I personally do not think he's really behaving so differently. He was the first to point out how TTaM rather randomly changed his vote from Abyiss to Kagemoth, but then failed spectacularly in predicting whether Abyiss himself would be red or not. It might seem very very incriminating that he defended a red at first sight, but putting that much power into it would surely be suicide if he was scum? There's a chance that he was just wrong and objecting to what he saw as a bandwagon.
It is good that he didn't reveal, as I've stated several times, I don't see how it could help town. His analysis is good as usual. His advice not to blindly trust those that some people suddenly see as "greens" without 100% confirmation is good town play. So far acting more in the interest of town than the more silent people for sure.
Vdti:
Has openly claimed to have a roleblocking ability, and has let us know who he's used it on. The only issue is that Eetion can now not confirm that he was indeed roleblocked, as he is... well, dead. If he's green, his ability might get him killed soon. If he's red, openly admitting to a certain role could be an attempt at gaining trust. Personally though, I'm leaning on the former.
Vorte:
Is now dead :( Suspected that Blackwhale was the failed state. Thought ET was red. Pointed out lacking posts of Surim, and Grishnag. Was slightly suspicious of Tyler, didn't exaclty lean on him being red. Thought Yoica somewhat green, along with Cwave, TTaM and myself. We only have confirmation on ET, and he was wrong on that one, so I'm not sure we can base much on who he suspected and who he didn't. His statements certainly don't clear anyone.
Yoica:
Has made a spreadsheet. This doesn't mean either or. Also stated that he was roleblocked last night (does this mean the most recent one, where Vorte died, or the first one, Yoica?) by the Axis. However, Vdti claims to have done the blocking, and I don't think Vdti is red, so how can you be sure Yoica? Were you told that it was a scum action, or not? Posted that there was no reason not to reveal, which I still hugely disagree with.
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That's finally me getting through the list of players. To return to the top, Archz has some interesting immunity, and Blackwhale hinted at having info about him. Archz also revealed quickly, which I dislike.
Yoica, Surim and Blackwhale stand out to me overall. I'd like to hear more about what supposed "info" Blackwhale has on Archz, since only hinting at it is equivillant to admitting having investigation info, but not sharing it with the wide UN forum doesn't help any of us at all. It also reeks of bluffing, or at least silly indecision.
It really fucks with the analysis that we can't link abilities to either side, as is apparent from Abyiss having a "defensive" ability. It would certainly be easier if we could assume alignements from them like in previous games...
If any of you have thoughts about my analysis, or disagree, do speak up so we can get more content!
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'Sup guys? I'm back! (Denmark was awesome, gonna post some pictures)
I've done my best to read up on all the pages, but I am quite hung over so I probably missed some of it. First of all, sneaky Blackwhale trying to nuke me eh? Well as you might have figured out, that won't work! So don't waste any radiation level on nuking me at least! If you're so bent on killing me then lynch me instead :p
Gonna do my best to explain all the bads:
1. Shitty posting - Yeah it's been a lot of random stuff, I had a lot going on but it's a poor excuse. And I feel that 20 pages back we didn't have that much to go on, will try to do better now!
2. Shitty voting - I feel that me trying to start a bandwagon on Abyiss the very first day should give me some points at least. If I were evil axis that would've been a really bold move.
The Tyler vote was lazy vote, I'll admit that! It was based on nothing more than some sort of inverse inductive reasoning :p Tyler have yet to be mafia, so maybe now was the time (Same argument could be used against me ^^ )! I had to get the vote out of the way because I was leaving, and I really couldn't get online to play some mafia (I tried! Fkkn useless 3G network)
Now, if I read correctly, Blackwhale investigated me and I turned up red? It's a shame we don't got much to go on what roles there are in the game, but I guess it's fair to assume that I could have been framed (or "miller state" ?).
I will just post this for now and go puke my brains out
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Vdti:
Has openly claimed to have a roleblocking ability, and has let us know who he's used it on. The only issue is that Eetion can now not confirm that he was indeed roleblocked, as he is... well, dead. If he's green, his ability might get him killed soon. If he's red, openly admitting to a certain role could be an attempt at gaining trust. Personally though, I'm leaning on the former.
I would just like to point out that I cannot role block, I can vote block, and I was the one that blocked Kendo, so it doesn't say anything about his green/red affiliation.
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Oh, it seems I was a victim of cyber attack last night. Just read my message.
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And great, just checked my PMs as well, and it appears me poking Eetion has given me aids as well. :-[
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I would just like to point out that I cannot role block, I can vote block, and I was the one that blocked Kendo, so it doesn't say anything about his green/red affiliation.
This is indeed a typo on my part. Yes, it should read voteblock rather than roleblock. Sorry.
Oh, it seems I was a victim of cyber attack last night. Just read my message.
This means what? Just telling us all that "something" happened to you isn't really helping us...
And great, just checked my PMs as well, and it appears me poking Eetion has given me aids as well. :-[
The second post that appeared while I was making this one. Sucks to be you :o Should've worn a rubber I guess?
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Oh, it seems I was a victim of cyber attack last night. Just read my message.
This means what? Just telling us all that "something" happened to you isn't really helping us...
I don't want to really disclose my vulnerability now... but it means I cannot launch nukes :( It's a tragic day
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A new dawn, and I'm at a boring lecture, thus it has been analysis time!
Kendoki:
Was apparently voteblocked on day 2, which on first thought should make him green. The problem is that we have no clue who has what abilities, including voteblocking, so I'm not so sure. He's made some good posting though, so I'm leaning on green.
I actually have Kendoki on my scum list. His previous analysis starts of based on the "North Korea ofc!" comment, but lets be honest who didn't think of that right away when they read South Korea was nuked? Purely based on the RL situation with possible nukes in North Korea. He goes on to make seemingly sound arguments, but they all build upon this. He is also the 2nd person to have voted for Kagemoth when both TTaM and Abyiss had more voted and this really started the ball rolling on Kagemoth.
Shiftey:
Suspicious of Sintrael/Surim/Grishnag, most of which is decently justified. I think he is overemphasizing the whole "no net for sintrael" though. Puts some heat on Tyler for his Abyiss support, but I think there's a bit too much wifom logic in his analysis, when you remember that Tyler could just genuinely have thought that Abyiss was green, a noob and thus, bad. In general I think Shiftey is over-aggressive in several parts of his analysis.
Agreed he is aggressive, but in the previous game he was the same way. Not quite sure where he sits though.
Sintrael:
Had a rough time with internets. Otherwise lacking content. I hope you're going to pick it up now Sint, and put in some proper contributions. If you continue on a silent/small post streak I would mean you're out of excuses and start to look red. For now, I know RL can be a bitch, and I'm cool with cutting you some slack. Not for long though.
He claims he couldn't post, despite making 7 posts :-\, but when you get down to it. If he was maffia he could've just said I have no time so I'll vote: random green and be done with it for the day. The fact he actually risked a modkill by not voting shifts him somewhat to the green side, for now at least.
Surim:
Posted some rather weird shit on day one. A part that really stands out is his suggestion that we should all reveal our countries, yet he hasn't done so himself. I think this very weird, and it might be an indication that he's not working with the general wellbeing of the UN in mind.
Only thing I have to add here is his very late vote on blackwhale. Was this an attempt to save Abyiss?
TTaM:
Lots of posts throughout the game, and started out a bit aggressively. I think this is pretty normal for TTaM though, so that in and of itself doesn't say much. He's had good analysis, good questions and doesn't afraid of anything. However, I think that this statement of his has been too overlooked:
Definitely think more votes for Abyiss at this point is a bit pointless then.
I'm just going to vote for Kagemoth instead.
##Vote: Kagemoth
The excuse seemed to be that Abyiss might be modkilled, but it could also be a very subtle deflection attempt from a red to a green.
Yeah the vote to Kagemoth was a bit odd in my eyes and it's one the reasons he, combined with Kendoki (see above), are on my scum list.
Tyler:
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I'm not sure at all what I think about Tyler.
Vdti:
Has openly claimed to have a roleblocking ability, and has let us know who he's used it on. The only issue is that Eetion can now not confirm that he was indeed roleblocked, as he is... well, dead. If he's green, his ability might get him killed soon. If he's red, openly admitting to a certain role could be an attempt at gaining trust. Personally though, I'm leaning on the former.[/quote]
This caught me completely off-guard I didn't for a moment think that a non-red could have a role-block. Maybe in part due to the fact I had that power as a rebel in the previous mafia game. I guess the fact that Abyiss as a scum had 'saving' powers should've warned me about that possibility. Although as you've said it doesn't clear him from being red and could just be a ploy to others to share more than they should.
Yoica:
Has made a spreadsheet. This doesn't mean either or. Also stated that he was roleblocked last night (does this mean the most recent one, where Vorte died, or the first one, Yoica?) by the Axis. However, Vdti claims to have done the blocking, and I don't think Vdti is red, so how can you be sure Yoica? Were you told that it was a scum action, or not? Posted that there was no reason not to reveal, which I still hugely disagree with.[/quote]
I was blocked the most recent night. As stated at Vdti I didn't even think a green could have blocking powers. I stick the fact that there no reason to not reveal since it's abilities that matter, not countries. By the same logic it doesn't matter if you don't reveal.
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That's finally me getting through the list of players. To return to the top, Archz has some interesting immunity, and Blackwhale hinted at having info about him. Archz also revealed quickly, which I dislike.
I actually think Archz is a failed state with 2 lives (think ninja in the 1st game)
Yoica, Surim and Blackwhale stand out to me overall. I'd like to hear more about what supposed "info" Blackwhale has on Archz, since only hinting at it is equivillant to admitting having investigation info, but not sharing it with the wide UN forum doesn't help any of us at all. It also reeks of bluffing, or at least silly indecision.
We'll see if blackwhale has done more investigating tonight. That will quickly prove if his 'investigation' powers are true.
It really fucks with the analysis that we can't link abilities to either side, as is apparent from Abyiss having a "defensive" ability. It would certainly be easier if we could assume alignements from them like in previous games...
Yup, that is what screwed me over.
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Whoops, missed [ quote ] tags at the 2nd paragraph for Vdti and myself.
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UGH 1st* paragraphs.
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(to clarify again Yoica, i was at work when i made those posts)
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Wait what?! Vdti you claim to have role-block me when I stated it earlier, but now you are saying you can only vote-block? You don't remember who you vote-blocked? because you responded to my post saying you did it. But I didn't get vote-blocked!
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i am sorry for my lack of posts last couple of days... i dont realy have a explenation for it
ill try to explain a few things of the last couple of days
starting with why i revealed my country: i realy saw no reason not too (still dont fyi) i means very little because as i found out now not all abilities are realy country related i mean i never expected sweden to be evil and have 2 SDI's allthough the cocaine, aids and multiple nukes sound related to country
anyway i will say it again i saw no reason not to reveal my country and still dont Abyiss could have claimed Sweden at the start and i wouldnt have expected that he would be EVIL
anyway as for my vote for Tyler on the second day it was basicly a non vote for i was not totaly convinced Abyiss was red ( i was wrong i now know) nor was i too sure about Blackwhale either so i voted for Tyler who i didnt (and still dont) trust fully because as someone said he is playing a different game from the last 2 games he played the other reason was so i would not be mod killed
i hope that clears a few things up and i will try to post more
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Wait what?! Vdti you claim to have role-block me when I stated it earlier, but now you are saying you can only vote-block? You don't remember who you vote-blocked? because you responded to my post saying you did it. But I didn't get vote-blocked!
I think you misunderstood there, I said I vote-blocked Eetion, not you.
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Right, I thought you were answering my 1st question.
Question still stands as to who got role-blocked the 1st night.
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Due to color-failure from the last post:
So, is Eetion still alive or?
Yes, but all of africa has aids and death is due
Just properly read this. Apparently Eetion is still alive. Which should mean he can post? And confirm the voteblocking?
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He posted earlier this morning. It's odd that he didn't mention the vote-block or maybe he just hadn't read his PM's yet.
Finally i can get rid of the conspiracy around me and my people. My numbers are counted, enjoy my company for as long as it may last.
My main suspects are still Vdti, Surim and recently Sintrael. Sintrael seems to have gone all defensive mode about his absence - yes i know i had one myself, for reasons - But i think sintrael has chosen a rather aggressive way to elaborate for his absence.
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Now I'm confused about the whole vote or role blocking.
Yoica claimed to have been roleblocked in his post here (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6352.msg113561#msg113561). Vdti talks about having done "it" in the post below (here (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6352.msg113565#msg113565)), but doesn't clarify if he roleblocked or voteblocked. Goes on in a later post to state that he can only voteblock here (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6352.msg113591#msg113591). So can you clarify your statement Yoica?
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This what I said.
Btw, did no one get role-blocked the previous night? and did anyone get vote-blocked for today?
Vdti confused to blocking Eetion, but didn't say if it was role or vote-block. I assumed he meant that he had role-blocked me last night and Eetion the night before. This interpretation was wrong.
Vdti was confessing to vote-blocking Eetion today. So we don't know who role-blocked me last night.
I assume Vdti vote-blocked Kendoki yesterday, could you confirm this Vdti?
Now we still need to know is who got role-blocked on the 1st night.
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confused = confessed...
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I assume Vdti vote-blocked Kendoki yesterday, could you confirm this Vdti?
This is correct, as I said some posts back.
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starting with why i revealed my country: i realy saw no reason not too (still dont fyi) i means very little because as i found out now not all abilities are realy country related i mean i never expected sweden to be evil and have 2 SDI's allthough the cocaine, aids and multiple nukes sound related to country
I think people need to rethink their analysis of abilities based on countries. These abilities aren't always based on the first thing you think of when you see these countries, but on some (any) aspect of that country. E.g. Sweden is evil because of Ikea, not that it's the bastion of hippiness everyone seems to think.
As for voting, I'm a little suspicious of Starbrow. Some of his conclusions are such polar opposites of the impression I currently have of the game (and of the people I think are green,) I can't help but think he is red, trying to steer us.
##Vote: Starbrow
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As for voting, I'm a little suspicious of Starbrow. Some of his conclusions are such polar opposites of the impression I currently have of the game (and of the people I think are green,) I can't help but think he is red, trying to steer us.
##Vote: Starbrow
TTaM that is a terrible reason for voting for someone. You shouldn't judge on if you agree or disagree. Make your judgement based on if you think a person is pro green or not. Looking at Star's post surely you can see that he is trying to help.
As ever I'm not saying he is 100% green, just that there has to be a better target. You even said yourself after your big post "now watch me get lynched". You have fallen into that trap...
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So voting for somebody because I think they are trying to get greens lynched is a bad thing now? Right.
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i am sorry for my lack of posts last couple of days... i dont realy have a explenation for it
ill try to explain a few things of the last couple of days
starting with why i revealed my country: i realy saw no reason not too (still dont fyi) i means very little because as i found out now not all abilities are realy country related i mean i never expected sweden to be evil and have 2 SDI's allthough the cocaine, aids and multiple nukes sound related to country
anyway i will say it again i saw no reason not to reveal my country and still dont Abyiss could have claimed Sweden at the start and i wouldnt have expected that he would be EVIL
anyway as for my vote for Tyler on the second day it was basicly a non vote for i was not totaly convinced Abyiss was red ( i was wrong i now know) nor was i too sure about Blackwhale either so i voted for Tyler who i didnt (and still dont) trust fully because as someone said he is playing a different game from the last 2 games he played the other reason was so i would not be mod killed
i hope that clears a few things up and i will try to post more
This is a pretty defensive post. Grish is not trying to find reds here, only justifying his previous actions and not really doing a very convicing job.
##Vote: Grishnag
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Sorry for being so quiet, I have just been having a crazy time at work, and yesterday I had shit to deal with when I got home (literally :/) Been trying to catch up on the posts, but whoa there is a lot read.
For those who were questioning my timing of the vote, I had completely forgotten about it. Was busy in the raid. If I were trying to save Abyiss, I would have voted for Eetion as I was suspecious of him and his posts. (Mentioned in a previous thread) Having read the day 3 post, it has cleared my suspecion.
I was first suspecious of Cwave thinking he may be red, but having 2 nukes would make him rather OP. At the same time, could be quite a liability if he just goes willy-nilly nuking everyone (potential greens)
Sintrael's day posting and not voting is suspecious. The same thing happened with Abyiss who turned out to be red (except for the not-voting part). I can relate to his reasoning of being busy with work, but shouldn't be caught twice for this. In the end, if he were to have been mod-killed for not voting, losing 2 reds in one day would really change the outcome of the game. (Im not judging you Sintrael, just playing it how I see it).
For this reason, and before I forget, I am going to vote based on my reasoning above.
##VOTE: Sintrael
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Oh yeah, since country doesn't make a difference, I am the great President of Poland
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Flag_of_Poland.svg/125px-Flag_of_Poland.svg.png)
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Some people have seemed to think i was dead, that is not true, it is however true that i will die from my aids. The exact moment of my death is in the Hands of our dear Game-Mods.
I can also confirm that i have been Vote-blocked, which seems to be Vdti.
As for why you have chosen to Vote-block me, because you was afraid of a Night-time Red ability i do not understand. It really makes no sense to vote-block a person if you are afraid of an ability.
It also seems to be so that, when he vote-blocked me he apparently caught some aids - for this matter i can only say one thing if you are green "you dumb f*ck" i openly told you that every matter surrounding me would be given at dawn. You clearly didn't want to believe me.. Enjoy!
Now it seems you got Aids aswell Vdti. Now i must say quickly i did not know that i could spread the aids, but it seems logical, if you think of Vdti as the "hooker/wookie" from earlier games, and he has vote-blocked me by sexual intercourse..?
I know that i wasn't confirmed but just from the start of a WIFOM game you must realise that arround 75% ish of the people participating are actually telling the truth.
Yet the only reason you did this was because you were afraid of me lying about my loyalty because the nuke towards me got shotdown by someone we don't even know who is
(very likely abyiss if you ask me though, to frame me - bad luck i got revealed ::) ) - But we will actually not know before the game is over.
This vote-block thing doesn't show you greenies anything of Vdti's true colours, and i wouldn't describe him as a semi-confirmed, actually far from. Vote-block abilites arent really useful for UN players as we do not actually know who to vote-block effectively on and in most cases will work against yourself if your green with such an ability.
So either Vdti has made a huge blunder from being a Red, and i hope you like your Aids! or he has an close to "useless" ability for the UN.
I will make a vote, even though it shouldn't have effect as of vote-blocking, and its gonna go for Sintrael. I really think he is being way to aggressive-defensive to be a green, if he is, i'd say he's pulling a "shiftey/shankski" from game1 and 2
##Vote: Sintrael
Side note: I would though think that lynching a player like Grishnag now, even if green, would help the town alot if the game goes to later stages - Just review game 2 where we ended up with alot of them "special"-greens that doesnt do alot and doesnt say alot, i know we won, but it was mainly because the reds screwed up a bit i'd say.
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Gotta love the aids and the stereotyping of South Africa
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Shiftey, TTaM, Tyler and Surim are top line suspects for me.
Shiftey cause he is the UK. And uses this as an argument to say he is green. It's clear that reallife "colour" has nothing to do with ingame colour. You going "but im UK" makes you suspectable. Also , your post contains the word ALSO so many times, its also like you want to get a lot of info out without raising to much attention. You name the few usual suspects but don't really put out something new. Sintrael hating i can understand but is also! very easy.
TTaM, you declaring North Korea at the start of the game means you are either brilliant, red and have a masterplan or green and too honost............ I don't know which one.
Surim cause he voted so late, oneliners and didnt go for Abyiss.
Now onto Tyler. Tyler cause he isnt playing the way he used and hasnt declared yet. Im still missing the US of A in the list and i think Tyler maybe has the failed state card with the US of A for the simple reason of great roleplay potential.
The US of A is THE failed state of the world atm and I think whoever has it in the list of guys who didnt declare is either red or black. And i will get you.
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So Grish is playing horribly or isnt really playing at all. He is quiet and then breaks the silence to say "sorry Im silent, but I just am". I doubt he is mafia if he is they are playing a very strange and obvious game. But considering we already had abyiss playing like that who knows.
Grish is not a noob though so it seems odd.
Same goes for Sintrael, he is being bad very bad, if you know you have limited time to post and that you dont have cellphone reception in your city you should vote early...
Shiftey called out UK with the early revealers so I dont find it that bad, remember how he "defended" himself last time, but his alsos do seem quite useless could easily be a maneuver.
TTaM is a waste of a vote imo expecting him to be playing with this high stakes seem unreasonable. This is our first game with these weird rules, I dont think anyone besides palmar would be able to pull of something that elaborate.
Surim is a noob and as Abyiss showed that the nooby way to be mafia is to stay quiet, but as we know quietness has killed a lot of blue noobs in the past.
We have very few unrevealed countries left I only remember Tyler and Starbrow at the top of my head so one of them being the US is very likely, and with Palmars humor I would not be surprised if it was the failed state. As always I would love to vote for Tyler but that has in earlier games been the wrong call.
Im quite confused by this Yoica vs Vdti dynamic, it would be quite clever if they were mafia to seem so unknowing about eachothers ability building up an alibi like that, have to check their voting patterns though to see if it makes sense.
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Sorry for being so quiet, I have just been having a crazy time at work, and yesterday I had shit to deal with when I got home (literally :/) Been trying to catch up on the posts, but whoa there is a lot read.
For those who were questioning my timing of the vote, I had completely forgotten about it. Was busy in the raid. If I were trying to save Abyiss, I would have voted for Eetion as I was suspecious of him and his posts. (Mentioned in a previous thread) Having read the day 3 post, it has cleared my suspecion.
I was first suspecious of Cwave thinking he may be red, but having 2 nukes would make him rather OP. At the same time, could be quite a liability if he just goes willy-nilly nuking everyone (potential greens)
Sintrael's day posting and not voting is suspecious. The same thing happened with Abyiss who turned out to be red (except for the not-voting part). I can relate to his reasoning of being busy with work, but shouldn't be caught twice for this. In the end, if he were to have been mod-killed for not voting, losing 2 reds in one day would really change the outcome of the game. (Im not judging you Sintrael, just playing it how I see it).
For this reason, and before I forget, I am going to vote based on my reasoning above.
##VOTE: Sintrael
This post is also very defensive. There is no real analysis here, just picking Sint because he didn't vote. There is nothing to explain why he is not voting Grish or Starbrow for example.
He even apologises for voting for him before he does. This is another big "tell". This is why Surim is second on my list of reds.
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In any case if he should happen to be green, its no big loss, grish or sint wouldnt be either.
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So Grish is playing horribly or isnt really playing at all. He is quiet and then breaks the silence to say "sorry Im silent, but I just am". I doubt he is mafia if he is they are playing a very strange and obvious game. But considering we already had abyiss playing like that who knows.
Grish is not a noob though so it seems odd.
I think you are over analysing here Grax. A simpler explanation is that Grish is not very good at lying. He really is out best choice to vote for.
1) He was the 5th to vote for Kage.
2) Next day he voted for me with no reasons.
3) His only recent post was one big apology.
4) He has done nothing else all game.
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Just popping in to make sure I vote. I'll be getting up at 5am to go to work, and won't be back untill somewhere 7-8pm servertime tomorrow evening. Vote is mainly in case something comes up so I won't be modkilled.
Blackwhale hasn't talked since daybreak and, considering he nuked Archz (who then mysteriously survived) out of the blue yesterday, has some talking to do. I already requested a bit of elaboration of this "extra info" he claims to have and in general I think that not participating in the thread is bad for us all.
Thus, in order to motivate Blackwhale to post more, here's a(nother) vote:
##Vote: Blackwhale
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I do find Tyler quite suspicious. Mostly because of the vote on me when everything pointed towards me getting killed. Sure, you could say that it was a safe vote, better to just get me out of the way instead of accidentally lynching another townie.
Tyler however is a pretty experienced player, and he should know that even when lynching a townie, you can gain quite a lot of information! So if you had to chose between lynching or not lynching, you would always go for the lynch. As Daekesh said, no lynch = mafia win.
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On the whole question of who is the failed state. Just to remind us greens that we don't care about that, we are after reds. We win by eliminating reds. If we anciently lynch one that's OK, just not as good a lynching a red.
We still have a few open questions.
How did Archz survive?
Did Blackwhale "investigate" anyone last night?
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So, i see a couple of people have jumped on the bandwagon against me :p
I note that tyler made the point i was going to make about Surim, that he didnt actually provide any information as to why he was voting for me. He seems to have just picked on me not voting as his reason to lynch me. I have to say, that you guys are blowing this whole issue way out of proportion.
It was a shit mistake i made, no doubt, but its seriously detracting from the game. By lynching me ur lynching some1 with a valuable ability (that i've already used). Saying this is possibly putting me on the hit list for the reds. I really didnt want to have to actually broadcast this either. I was hoping the person i used my ability on would have figured out it was me, but it seems not.
Grishnag is being very odd in my opinion, he's playing a vastly different game from last time with his big rp posts, he's changed strats to not posting much at all, with not much info.
As much as i'd love to pin shiftey as red, i'm not actually convinced he is. I think he's being moronic in shifting so much focus on me and giving people like Surim an easy vote. Shiftey is often this agressive tho, but he seems to get blinded by things and has a very one track way of going about playing.
I'm suspicious of Tyler. He started off not posting much, which is odd for him, but then once this gets pointed out a few times he picks it up and goes back to his more usual style of play.
Blackwhale is still on my list mainly cos he randomly fired a nuke and claimed he had info. The fact he claimed that and then didnt get killed by the axis makes me suspicious of him. Also not a lot of posting or backing up his claims.
Just to reitterate, I know its bad play to try and save my own skin. Please think on what i've said.
For the reasons given above:
##Vote: Surim
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Votes are for: Sintrael: 2, Surim: 1, Blackwhale: 1, Starbrow: 1, Grishnag: 1
Votes are for: [Starbrow.1]: TTaM - [Grishnag.1]: Tyler - [Sintrael.2]: Surim, Eetion - [Blackwhale.1]: Starbrow - [Surim.1]: Sintrael
Mhhhhhhhhh
Gonna go for Surim for now due to his late vote last time.
##VOTE: Surim
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So, neither of you really have a reason for voting for me besides my late vote on Tuesday..? I was raiding. Would have completely forgotten about it if someone had not told me to go vote, but yeah, cool, I have nothing more to say. You will soon realize you wasted your votes when they could be used to sus out reds rather. Come now, I am Poland!!!!
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Does that mean you have the role-block ability, because you distract people with pole-dancers?!
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Haha, no, I dont have role-block.
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Looking back a bit I am gonna cast my vote now (I might not be at home later on, so just in case so I dont forget)
I know I got a bit aggresive against Sintrael but excuses he could not post while he did and that there's no mobile networks in UK are just too crazy. Ignoring that fact... he still hasnt contributed to anything other than really vocale and mad defense.
I suspect him from another thing as well. I am almost sure that he could be behind the hacking attack against me. It's either him or Graxlos who represents China. But India, IT, lot of tech guys, hacking... makes sense! And I did piss him enough to actually do it.
However I cannot discount the possibility China is the real hacking power. It wouldn't surprise me, it does make sense, China is known for that. I am watching you Graxlos!
therefore:
##Vote: Sintrael
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Are you honestly trying to say shiftey that you're voting for me with valid reasons?
IE. discounting my non vote? I think not.
I hate having to defend myself like this, cos you're totally and utterly ignoring everything i write, clearly. If you're basing ur vote on lack of content then there are clearly better targets than me.
Emo Shiftey vendetta gooooooooooo!
(Btw, england has shit fone internet coverage, half my journey to work i cant get internet, its massively common, so once again, remove ur head from ur ass plz, i really dont understand why u think i didnt vote on purpous)
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Well I think you are the nukeblocker. And I do like my nukes available.
Nice how you always have time to answer very fast, but never to write anything to help us find the scum. Sure I could vote for Grishnag who clearly lacks any kind of participation or Surim for same reasons (Poland is ugly too). But even discounting your non-vote as I said in my post. There are other reasons I chose you over the other 2 I mentioned.
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Mhhhh this makes you quite suspicious Shiftey. You seem way to content to get this kill on Sintrael off... Yes he is an asshole for not voting but now it just seems you got a freepass to get a vote/lynch off......
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Sint, it's a pretty basic premise. You posted 7 times in a day, but didn't vote. People think you weren't mod-killed because you were red. You've also spent the past few days defending yourself on the forums. Another red thing to do.
You should stop worry so much about yourself and talk about the other people in the game and maybe they will vote for somebody else. Constant posts trying to defend yourself are not helping, just digging the hole deeper.
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Come to think of it. I completely spaced out on Blackwhale. He hasnt said a word.
If he can investigate, why arent we hearing from him. If he can investigate, why isnt he dead by now?
I understand you are suspect of me Cwave, I am going quite aggresively against people. But let's not forget the fact you nuked 2 guys. One of them was a green and it was fairly apparent.
You know that we went against Abyiss together. Because it was apparent he was no ordinary country. I am beginning to think you might have nuked him on purpose to put him out of the picture and make you look really green. And everybody forgot you nuked an innocent at the same time because you got a hit.
Something is not right here.
I actually wanna hear from Sintrael, something logical, I wanna hear from Blackwhale, I wanna hear from Archz, I wanna hear from Surim.
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Well ttam i made the post about shiftey ignoring everything i've written _because he has_
I sparked the debate on whether Cwave was green/red. I've outlined my suspicions on other people in my posts as well (which shiftey has claimed 2-3 times that i havent done?) I just dont do the massively in depth analysing that a few peeps do and i'm not alone in that.
In the last two long posts i've written i've had to explain through the non voting thing again, and each time shiftey has ignored it entirely and brought it up again straight away.
I'm actually inclined to agree with Cwave now, Shiftey seems to have no capacity to think about anything other than the fact i didnt vote and people have been slowly hopping on the bandwagon as a result.
As i said in my last post, I dont want to have to defend myself like this Ttam, but if i dont and just keep quiet then i'll get lynched no? Shiftey would see to that
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It's a catch 22. If you don't defend yourself you get lynched, if you do defend yourself you look guilty and get lynched. Maybe it would be better to try shift the focus to someone else, such as blackwhale, or even cwave...
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Or you? :P
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Enough is enough, if you got modkilled, we would never gotten stuck in this argument.
##Unvote: Sintrael
##Vote: Blackwhale
I think you are pulling a shiftey. You reacted to the same strat we use on day1, poke people and see what they do. I poked 4 people and you were the only one who responded. More I listen to you more I think you are just crazy.
Changing to Blackwhale, cause if he's really the detective, then he's being shit or lied. If he really was one, he would have gotten killed, yet he didnt.
He's not even talking after the whole nuclear event.
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Haha, I was expecting that...
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It's a catch 22. If you don't defend yourself you get lynched, if you do defend yourself you look guilty and get lynched. Maybe it would be better to try shift the focus to someone else, such as blackwhale, or even cwave...
Did you really just write those words? :O I was about to shift to Shiftey as my vote... and then you write thats its better to "shift the focus"..... Errrrrr we want us greens to win. Who stands alive when that happens shouldn't matter, if you are a true green.
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At work, so its going to be a short post.
Doubt i make it back home in time, going out after work.
Voting for Grishnag, his behaviour is quite bad. Normally he would RP the shit out of us, or make some funny long post, this time around he just post 1-liners and voting without reasons. I almost dare note say it, but he is worse then Archz.
Another thing, he started the "lets say what country we are!!" wagon, which in my eyes is some clever play. As you can see from my other post Grishnag is acting quite weird.
Hence :
##Vote: Grishnag
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Still no response from Blackwhale, which strengthens the points I made in my last post.
He needs to speak up if he is in fact our cop, and he needs to do it fast.
So I'm voting for Blackwhale as he seems like the best target at the moment. At least until he speaks up.
##Vote: Blackwhale
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I think the prime questionmarks atm are Grish, Blackwhale and Archz, Grish seems like a good candidate and either blackwhale or archz is probably lying.
##Vote: Grishnag
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Thank you Sintrael for a calmed down post of the non-vote situation, alot better than the aggressive "shiftey stfu #%&?!" bullcrap that you posted earlier.
There's been aot of talking back and forth around a couple of people, main Fail(black)whale, Grishnag, Surim and Archz.
Grishnag: I agree that his play has been absolutely awful this game, and is of absolutely no use if he is green. He is only helping the axis power by being silent, non-contributing and causing alot of unnecessarry attention to himself.
- definetly worth a lynch today
Blackwhale: Definetly needs to speak up really soon. He said he had info on Archz, but didn't really say much more, where does this info come from failwhale? and why arent you dead by a mafia kill if you have such special "green" ability? Red or failed state, i really don't see blackwhale as UN.
Surim: Zup captain Obvious.. ->It's a catch 22. If you don't defend yourself you get lynched, if you do defend yourself you look guilty and get lynched. Maybe it would be better to try shift the focus to someone else, such as blackwhale, or even cwave...
I havnt seen alot of contribution from Surim, and seems very fishy, not a main concern but still on the list.
Archz: Not much to say.. he's keeping up his "special" Archz play-style. I can't really see Archz fit into a green/UN zone, but who knows, its afterall Archz..
The Blackwhale/Archz situation is rather strange, as if Blackwhale turns up Red or green at a point, i would say Archz is likely to be a Failed state, however if Blackwhale turns out Failed state Archz allignment is pretty open to be Either Red or Green.. It's really strange, and they do not help themselves nor the UN (if one of them should be green) by staying silent.
To round it up, my votes going for Grishnag, he is by far the most useless as i see it at this point, and i would be sad to see if the remaining greens in the end of the game would have to sit along him, trust me it is insanely hard - hence to game 2.
##Unvote: Sintrael
##Vote: Grishnag
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It does seem a general consensus that Arch isn't green. Or, at least, an extremely bad green. I don't think he's red either, though. Perhaps a prime candidate for failed state? Perhaps a throwback from the Egyptian empire?
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Voting Grishnag is such a waste.
Focus people.....
*sips Vodka in his velvet war-roomski
Time: T minus 3 minutes.
Launch Control (LC): OSM, third stage S&A arm permit to close.
OSM: Closed.
LC: SSC,third stage S&A armed.
SSC: Armed.
LC: Prop 1, vehicle fuel tank press open.
Prop 1: Open.
LC: Fuel umbilical purge to open.
Prop 1: Open.
LC: SSC, vent 1 heater control exit.
SSC: Exit.
LC: SSC, vent 2 heater control exit.
SSC: Exit.
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#!/bin/csh -f
#
# launch: missile launching facility
# usage: launch missiles
#
if ("$*" != missiles) then
errecho launch: usage: launch missiles
exit 1
endif
echo -n "Are you sure [y/n]: "
set response="$<"
if ("$response" == n) then
errecho Launch abandoned.
exit 1
else if ("$response" != y) then
errecho "Launch sequence aborted (cannot interpret $response)."
exit 1
endif
echo -n "Are you really sure [y/n]: "
set response="$<"
if ("$response" == n) then
errecho Launch abandoned.
exit 1
else if ("$response" != y) then
errecho "Launch sequence aborted (cannot interpret $response)."
exit 1
endif
echo -n "Do you have any lingering doubts [y/n]: "
set response="$<"
if ("$response" == y) then
errecho Launch abandoned.
exit 1
else if ("$response" != n) then
errecho "Launch sequence aborted (cannot interpret $response)."
exit 1
endif
echo -n "Can you honestly say that, in the light of the present geopolitical situation,\
the philosophy of deterrence and massive retaliation constitutes the most\
cogent and coherent policy response to be taken as a military posture in the\
prevailing circumstances [y/n]: "
set response="$<"
if ("$response" == n) then
errecho Launch abandoned.
exit 1
else if ("$response" != y) then
errecho "Launch sequence aborted (cannot interpret $response)."
exit 1
endif
sleep 1
echo "Okay, launching missiles...... FOR THE MOTHERLAND"
sleep 3
# echo "launch: core dumped at `date`" > core
errecho "Bus error (core dumped)"
exit 1
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Haha
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I do agree that there is something iffy about Blackwhale. Claims cop and then pulls a shoop ta woop on me. If he didn't get any info the other days, or if it was a one time thing maybe? Like so many of the green abilities seems to be. As you might have found out, my power was to survive a daytime nuke.
I don't want to vote a lynch on him though, because if that negro is green then you all will be gunning for me next :p
So negrowhale! exploins plox!
Other than that, I do support Kendokis reasoning for lynching Grishnag
##Vote: Grishnag
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So... Cwave is launching more nukes or something..?
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I guess his "3 minutes to launch" was actually 3 hours. He posted it 3 hours before the nuke deadline.
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3:45 actually :/
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Or... fuck it, I have no idea what time zone this forum runs on.
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Mother Russia is not happy. We don't have good 100% suspects after our succesfull lynch of the shitty IKEA-vikings.
So we, the Army of the Motherland, shall make people choose a side.
While we do not, we repeat DO NOT, want this to end in a nuclear ping pong, our advisors and scientist have declared that this is the time act. The voting on Canada is a wasted vote and we can use our voting power to better use. The UK will get a wake up call due to it being a shitty island and they have been too eager to get people killed, namely India. We, the motherland, like our curry so we have to act.
Furthermore, I feel that the vote for Poland is still the best bet at this moment. I urge everyone to follow in this. For now, and to stirr discussion and make the people who i find suspicious take a stand or come out in the open, I have ordered my elite troops to launch 2 nukes on targets around the globe. The missille Stally III and Lenny IV are airborn as we type this. May god forgive me if im wrong.
I ask for the rest of the world to remain calm and seek reason.
##NUKE: Shiftey
##NUKE: Grishnag
(http://motorcitytimes.com/mct/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/rocket-launch-night-wallpapers_10038_1152x864.jpg)
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Fuck me
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##Unvote: Grishnag
##Vote: Cwave
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Also, those missiles are planned to land 15 min before voting time. I beg of you to wait till 23:45 before doing votes that will hurt us in the long run.
As always, if this does us more harm then good, the Motherland will, as the yankees say, face the music.
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##Unvote: Blackwhale
##Vote: Cwave
Okay, it's apparently Cwave is a madman and powercrazy idiot and quite likely a fail state. This just isnt normal.
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I just got whispered that they might land at midnight...
Either way, i ask of you all to trust me one more time.
A failed state would launch sooner and would launch without reason.
This, Shiftey, is not the case.
Za Rodinu!!
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Are you crazy? I should start building a shelter for the nuclear winter.
Does the failed state win if he is dead before the nuclear holocaust is declared?
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while i dont mind getting my shit nuked it does make me wonder if cwave is not a failed state?
and so i will vote for cwave if he has more nukes then just those 4 i am sure he will use them again
##Vote: Cwave
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I was just updating the spreadsheet and noticed Eetion has been voting, but isn't he vote-blocked? Could you unvote your last vote so it doesn't mess up with counting?
Archz: I believe him to be a failed state and therefore not worth voting for since we'll still win if failed states are alive.
Grishnag: I'm too lazy to go back and reread the other games, but I don't remember grishnag ever being useful except for some comic RP relief.
Surim: He is just playing really badly, but red or green I have no idea.
Blackwhale: 2 days without a post...
Grax: Reading back his posts he seems to analyse almost all the players except for Starbrow and Kendoki. Where Kendoki is top on my scum list.
Tyler: and Shiftey: Are doing the same thing as last game, picking a target and hounding them to get response. In my eyes they sometimes draw wrong conclusion, but the tactic is effective in getting info. I doubt both are mafia, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or the other isn't.
Cwave: I'm inclined to believe he is either a failed state or a green. Although as others have argued today it could just be a scam to make us believe he is safe.
Happened when I wanted to post. Cwave you're absolutely bonkers and you're definitely not a green state!
I don't think lynching grishnag will get us a lot of info and I'm therefore suspecting a mafia push to lynch him since it's an easy target to give arguments for.
Based on my earlier post.
Kendoki:
Was apparently voteblocked on day 2, which on first thought should make him green. The problem is that we have no clue who has what abilities, including voteblocking, so I'm not so sure. He's made some good posting though, so I'm leaning on green.
I actually have Kendoki on my scum list. His previous analysis starts of based on the "North Korea ofc!" comment, but lets be honest who didn't think of that right away when they read South Korea was nuked? Purely based on the RL situation with possible nukes in North Korea. He goes on to make seemingly sound arguments, but they all build upon this. He is also the 2nd person to have voted for Kagemoth when both TTaM and Abyiss had more voted and this really started the ball rolling on Kagemoth.
##Vote: Kendoki
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Are you crazy? I should start building a shelter for the nuclear winter.
Does the failed state win if he is dead before the nuclear holocaust is declared?
Failed states do NOT need to survive in order to win.
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The Failed State
The Failed State wants to bring everyone down to their level. They win if civilization ends in a nuclear apocalypse. They don't have to survive to win.
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quote copy/paste fail from the 1st post in this thread.
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5 minutes until you cannot nuke anymore
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Love is in the air
Some crazy guy claiming to be soviet russia is firing missiles!
They will land at 23:59 server time.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1/DemonHunter874/RussiaMotherland.jpg)
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Why nuke when we can vote? I don't understand why you think it's a wasted vote to go for Grish.
Nuking should be a last resort Cwave. You are really playing into the failed state's hands here, unless ofc you are the failed state.
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Meanwhile in Soviet Russia......................
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/42/Andrei_Sakharov_and_Igor_Kurchatov.jpeg)
The fathers of the Soviet nuclear program, Dr. Andrei Sakharov (left) with Dr. Igor Kurchatov (right).
Jesus Christ Cwave, what the hell are you on about flailing nukes around like it was cookies from a girlscout?!
The radiation and contamination of the soil... Are you truely not out of your mind, launching 2 nukes, 2 days in a row? Is there no more tought behind your nukes?
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##Nuke: Cwave
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This isnt gonna end in a nuclear holocaust if everyone just takes a leap of faith, remains calm and let my nukes do there work. If this is all that is flying, there will NOT be a holocaust and we greens can win with ease.
You need to understand that these nukes were given to me with a reason. A reason to use them with just and with cause.
I have done so.
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Okey, chill with the nuking guys!
We've only had noe detonation, and we don't know how much it takes to raise the radiation levels.
Now if CWave is the failed state and has the ability to launch two nukes a day, it might just be for the best that TTaM nuked him. We'll see tonight.
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Does the failed state win if he is dead before the nuclear holocaust is declared?
yep
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There's a thin line between tactical nukes and global nuclear holocaust. You, sir, have crossed it.
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Nuclear missile heading towards Cwave has been launched
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_80_yaznP3lM/TMgeLxb-d7I/AAAAAAAAAac/xih5Id9o0tw/s1600/nuclear-missiles-1.jpg)
It will land 23:59 tonight.
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And now, I know TTaM is failed state material.
Nuking and taking a stand is one thing(Mother Russia)
Stringbetting with a nuke to make people go bonkers is a second(North Korea).
I was right before and i hope you take this into consideration when deploying nuke and/or SDI's.
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Well, to be fair Cwave, you were only 50% right.
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I just got whispered that they might land at midnight...
Either way, i ask of you all to trust me one more time.
A failed state would launch sooner and would launch without reason.
This, Shiftey, is not the case.
Za Rodinu!!
A failed state would launch nukes each day they could spreading it across red and green states in order to keep them in balance.
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I was writing a post and it got totally irrelevant about 10 seconds later....
This is madness.
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To further explain why i launched again and felt it was possible. Both of my previous missles dit not explode and did NOT raise radiation. If they had, i would have launched 2 more today. As they didnt explode but did give us valueble information, i had no choice but to deploy again.
We will see tonight. And if i was right, please consider TTaM as failed state/red for killing your most potent green in the game.
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Potent/crazy. I guess you meant that you wouldn't have launched two today?
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Yes.
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Since two of my suspects have nukes heading for them I guess Archz or Blackwhale would be the next logical choice.
##Unvote: Grishnag
##Vote: Blackwhale
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due to annoying bot
##Unvote: Grishnag
##Vote: Blackwhale
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For the sake of Yoica, i know i am vote-blocked but that only means that my vote wont be counted in the end. However i will do it for the ease..
##unvote: Grishnag
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Hmm well usually I would say we should vote regardless of nukes, in this case I have good case against a second target.
##Unvote: Grishnag
##Vote: Surim
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To further explain why i launched again and felt it was possible. Both of my previous missles dit not explode and did NOT raise radiation. If they had, i would have launched 2 more today. As they didnt explode but did give us valueble information, i had no choice but to deploy again.
We will see tonight. And if i was right, please consider TTaM as failed state/red for killing your most potent green in the game.
Either this is mad or brilliant.. I don't know which to choose from.. kinda intrigued by this play from Cwave!
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OT:
The way i picture TTaM at the moment :D
(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/57500/Nuclear-Party--57557.jpg)
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Well bugger me O.o
I go to lunch and do a bit of work and come back to THREE nukes?! Jees Cwave lol.
I'd post a 'Nuke ALL the things *fistpunch* pic here but i cba to find and edit it while i'm at work :<
I'm still sticking to my vote on Surim for reasons stated earlier.
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(http://i.imgur.com/F0tnA.png)
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Our last request as the Motherland is that if there is one among the fellow greens that has a SDI, to deploy it so the nuke of North Korea doesnt land. That nuke has only been launched to cause an escalation of an otherwise controlable situation with one country who has the responsibility(me, Mother Russia).
When you don't like the outcome of what will happen tonight you can always take the right actions afterwards to punish me. But let me reasure you, this will not be the case.
If i die tonight so be it, but don't let abilities collect dust while they can do good at the moment.
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If we wait another day so you can launch a second pair of nukes, it will probably already be too late! I have no idea which nukes that should be shot down, but I don't like the sight of three of them in the air at least!
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I have a last request similar to Cwave. If anybody has any SDI to save me from this aggresion. Cause unlike Cwave I am actually trying to win, not end this game in nuclear holocaust.
My record shows that I busted one Axis guy already and havent killed anyone else in process, unlike Cwave who's about to blast one in the air, although I agree with him on Grishnag, it's not the way to go about things.
Green state would not risk creating conditions under which the failed state can win, certainly not. So I thank TTaM for his quick reaction to save humanity. I would have done it myself, but I was hacked and cannot retaliate :(
As for my thoughts:
Surim, Sintrael, Blackwhale and Archz as suspects on my list, I stated why on multiple occasions.
Hopefully my death will provide some clues and answers and lead to victory.
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I have a last request similar to Cwave. If anybody has any SDI to save me from this aggresion. Cause unlike Cwave I am actually trying to win, not end this game in nuclear holocaust.
My record shows that I busted one Axis guy already and havent killed anyone else in process, unlike Cwave who's about to blast one in the air, although I agree with him on Grishnag, it's not the way to go about things.
Green state would not risk creating conditions under which the failed state can win, certainly not. So I thank TTaM for his quick reaction to save humanity. I would have done it myself, but I was hacked and cannot retaliate :(
As for my thoughts:
Surim, Sintrael, Blackwhale and Archz as suspects on my list, I stated why on multiple occasions.
Hopefully my death will provide some clues and answers and lead to victory.
Now im 100% sure you will are scum and red. Sintrael is a asshole but just not red. You were way to keen on getting him killed. Now you thank TTaM for launching?? RED!
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If you really are green Cwave, you are playing for the Axis so well. Cause you are about to get at least 2 greens killed right now. That's just hazardous.
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If you really are green Cwave, you are playing for the Axis so well. Cause you are about to get at least 2 greens killed right now. That's just hazardous.
With greens you mean me and Grishnag? If Grishnag is green, he played bad and non contributing. That's why i don't want a lynch to happen on him cause it will tell us nothing!
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I mean you and me, I obviously cannot vouch for Grishnag. Nice try. But if you think he's green, then why launch at him? That would either make 3 greens or possibly you as a failed state.
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We will see tonight as my great equalizers land on your soil.
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Well, it doesnt matter now. You're dead, I am dead. Let the other deal with this mess you created now. Hopefully to the better end.
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(...) That's why i don't want a lynch to happen on him cause it will tell us nothing!
But a nuke that is perfectly fine? Failed state I tell you, lynch him hard
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(...) That's why i don't want a lynch to happen on him cause it will tell us nothing!
But a nuke that is perfectly fine? Failed state I tell you, lynch him hard
He is dying without having to lynch him
allso cwave you probably nuked 2 greens while i dont know about shiftey i am a green
anyway i have been playing badly i cant deny this but i would like to point at tyler for a moment as people said before he has been playing a massively different game then his last 2 games he has been much quiter then other times and i have a small feeling that he is either a failed state or a maffia (take that as you will)
so i have to change my vote anyway since cwave is dying due to nukes
##Unvote: Cwave
##Vote: Tyler
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Breaking news!
The United States of America have been invaded by yet unknown military forces. The country is now operating under military law.
The US's fleet has lost control over the oceans and the country is now under siege!
(http://cloud.mmgn.com.s3.amazonaws.com/images/assets/MW3_USA/MW3_USA_13.jpg)
The US has sent out request for aid, but in the volatile and unpredictable political landscape the UN is unsure which side to take in the conflict!
Meanwhile, the US economy has been mobilized for warfare.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8gyAih3p8fY/TVGzMTLbf8I/AAAAAAAABho/Jmr8x1ZD5AI/s1600/uncle-sam.jpg)
Join the army! Defend your country!
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:O
Lol what?
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I think before we can answer this call to arms, we need to know to whom we are sending support!
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Back from work. These are my thoughts on seeing the thread:
(http://thecbook.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/picard-facepalm.jpg)
Going to dig into this mess after a shower and some food.
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We should send Eetion (moar AIDS!) he is the only confirmed green still alive.
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Although i like the Thought Yoica, i would still be hesitant to send anything to me.. Yes i am the only confirmed green as of now, but also i am a ticking bomb.. i could die of my disease at any time, palmar would like, tomorrow, the day after maybe at day 10.. Only he knows when my time has come..
I would much rather have another carry this, "army thing", what would seem like the captain role of game 2.
at work - more coming later
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I know Eetion I've thought of that, but if the US get infected then we'll still benifit for the US for at least 2 days. Also better to only have the US for a couple of days than let the reds (or blacks, reverse slaverly lol) get it.
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Right, having gone through the events of today, I must admit I'm completely gobsmacked... I guess that with nukes in the air, it's sort of pointless to second guess peoples decisions, so I won't. We'll certainly know a ton more at midnight.
As it is now, it looks like Blackwhale is going to be modkilled for not voting yet. Surim finally spoke a bit more, but his post is mainly a restatement of Yoica and Shifteys attacks on Sintrael and I can't get this out of my head:
If everyone is to reveal their country, then we will know that everyone that has not said anything is either a conspiritor, or part of the mafia.
With this, it still took him untill late in day two to get to the point where he remembers to add that "Oh, btw, I'm Poland". With this in mind, I'm going to change my vote:
##Unvote: Blackwhale
##Vote: Surim
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I know this might be too late, but i would kindly ask people with SDI's not to use them at this point. (if they are in the air already, NP, but if not do not use em)
The reason i say this, is that by these 3 people - specially Cwave and Shiftey, going down we have a chance to get a hell of a lot more information to work with. I know that the radiation gets higher, but atleast we got rid of 1 particular tricker-happy crazy guy.
I get your point yoica, but what if palmar finds it hilarious to kill me tomorrow? Then it would gain nothing. I see this as the Captain role from game 2. I do not know what this "US army" thingymagic is.. would just be sad to see it go to waste.
Anywho its not me alone to decide but the UN in general.
How does this "Join the army" work palmar?
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My fellow Americans, and in a break of recent history, fellow world leaders. I stand before you in our darkest hour. I urge all lovers of freedom from across the globe to answer the call of the US of goddamn A. Once again the insanity of the world has intruded on our desire to simply look after our own.
Now is not the time to point fingers, it is not needed as we all know who is to blame. That damn pinko Obama. No only did he leave our nuclear deterrent in a pitiful state, he scuppered most of our once proud navy.
We remain unbowed. We shall fight them on the sidewalks and on the freeways. We shall fight them in the shopping malls and the drive-throughs. We shall never surrender.
We will soon know who is behind this heinous and cowardly attack. Our moose loving Canadian neighbours have long coveted these lands, should it be them that is behind this odious action our vengeance shall be swift. The game of ice hockey will be made punishable by death.
I stand before you now, and urge those at home and abroad to hold fast.(http://images.kaneva.com/filestore8/4606867/5953420/US_flag_USA_flag_46b4e3ce7dbfb.gif)
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So... you would say.... your state is.... failing?
Like.... a failed state....?
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With 3 hours left till the nuclear missile from the backward country of North Korea is detonating on our beloved Motherland. We have begun selecting those fit and strong enough to start over on small colonies in the Barentszsea and have asked our remaining man, women and children to stand tall as our Motherland takes one for the future of this world.
In Mother Russia, Nuke launches you!!!
(http://i55.tinypic.com/bej31k.jpg)
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Wait wait? you think im invading you tyler?
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There is no failure round here, Cwave the mad, our people are committed to a prosperous future. Your people seem committed to the roaches taking over. While I have some sympathy with your target choice, I utterly condemn your course of action. We will root out the reds in conjunction with the UN.
Grishnag, the thought had crossed my mind yes. Time will tell.
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*Settles in and waits for midnight*
(http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/headlines/headline19352.jpg)
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Jeez, you go away. You return and suddenly 3 nukes in the air and the USA being invaded... Gonna need to read some more pages. Back later...
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Right; aint much to say, Cwave's nukes on Grishnag and Shiftey are a bit surprising. I find his reasons flimsy at best, especially the reason he nukes Grishnag because he feels its a useless lynch, yet he votes for Surim, one as useless as Grishang. However he did make it happen that people changed their vote. Midnight is going to be intresting.
I will follow Starbrow and setlle in and i will wait for midnight and pray for a good outcome.
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So, i've had some stuff to do and havn't been able to read this thread at all today entil now. As i said stated earlier i am france, i got put into this game with 1 nuke and one night time investigation (Interpol in Lyon), the outcome of my nuke would determinat my powers for the rest of the game.
After speaking to my military advisers the country not far north east from us is not to be trusted. If you indeed are poland and said that we should say what countries we are, then why didn't you? You also make your votes very early in the day and then stay on that target. Either you're so sure that no matter what people say you go with your gut feeling or you know something that the rest of us dont.
Poland seems to be a revenge seeking country, lets make sure they cant get back at the world for ww2.
##Vote: Surim
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I posted so early because I forgot night was 24 hours and therefore thought last nyt someone was going to be lynched. And for not revealing my country earlier, I did not think it was relevant. I urge someone to either change their vote away from me, or vote for blackwhale. A vote for Poland is a wasted vote.
To try save my ass, I am going to change my vote
##Unvote: Sintrael
##Vote: Blackwhale
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##Unvote: Tyler
##Vote: Blackwhale
so i dont realy have a right to say this but after his nuke on archz he dissappeared from the map basicly and if he has cop like power he does nothing with it does not reveal any information whatsoever thus my vote will go for blackwhale
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Grish and Surim are so red, lol.
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Grish and Surim are so red, lol.
Would you say we caught them red-handed?
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##Vote: Surim
Anybody else want to correct this clear red attempt to not get Surim lynched?
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interception
(http://macfarlanerealestate.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/michael-griffin-interception-rose-bowl.jpg)
the missile heading towards Cwave has been shot down!
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Well what do you know
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##Unvote: Blackwhale
##Vote: Surim
i aint red and i noticed my mistake... still blackwhale should reveal his information if he indeed has a cop like ability else he is probably a failed state
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also thats a last minute save..
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Wasted vote Grishnag... Should have used your power for good
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Was this the plan all along?
##Vote: Blackwhale
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my power shall reveal itself when i die in glorious godfire!
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(http://www.humo.be/images/7HZPoetin.jpg)
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##Unvote: Cwave
##Vote: Surim
I am really curious what the hell Failwave is doing, but if I vote for him to get lynched and that negro turn up green, then we'll waste another lynch on me most likely :p
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##Unvote: Cwave
##Vote: Blackwhale
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oh thats rich you call me red for voting for blackwhale and then vote for blackwhale himself
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Really think you should vote for him again Grish...
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nawh son im taking you with me
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Believe what you want. 5k gold for a vote change?
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Believe what you want. 5k gold for a vote change?
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Wauw... just wauw! :D
<3
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Seems like the Axis lads are trying to save their Polish comrad!
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##Vote: Surim
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Believe what you want. 5k gold for a vote change?
thats not tempting at all.. unless its reallife gold
and yes eetion that does seem like the case
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2min...
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Surim is lynched, night post coming up.
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This game... lacks polish!
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Im ready for whatever comes! :P
(http://minimatefactory.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/back_to_the_future_large_still_10.jpg)
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yeah not polished enough
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This game... lacks polish!
fuck... just fuck you kesh
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You know you love it, Grish.
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(http://chan.catiewayne.com/b/src/131336727930.png)
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I WANT TO GO TO BED DAMMIT
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m2
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##Night
Lates headlines!The United Kingdom is no more!A nuclear explosion has wiped out the United Kingdom, nothing of value was lost
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W8PxS6QtDe4/TkOin8gyQNI/AAAAAAAAAOo/HgFYBOfRE00/s1600/Rioting%2BLondoners.jpg)
Oh wait, the Scottish were kinda funny, and some of them weren't chavs. Well gotta take one for the team, ridding the world of chavs was worth it.
(http://www.alamy.com/THUMBS/6/%7B58AD42A4-99BC-4D28-87C0-398FEFA88524%7D/BPNDH3.JPG)
Shiftey - United Kingdom - Has been nuked into oblivionYou are the United Kingdom
If there is one thing you want, it's your former glory. The world was a better place back in the 18th and 19th century wasn't it? And it was because of you. England's finest ruled the seas and the Queen was the most powerful figure on earth.
What happened? Did your stupid European neighbours suck strength out of you by starting a damn world war? This'll teach them...
1. You have 1 nuke
2. You can convince one of your former colonies to support you in the UN. You have a secret vote, it will appear as anonymous on the voting list
You win when you and your allies cannot be stopped.
Poland is missing!Poland is no longer on the map. The president, Surim, couldn't give any explanation as to why Poland doesn't exist anymore. But I guess it's standard. Sometimes there's Poland, sometimes there is no Poland.
Surim - Poland - has been lynchedYou don't get his role cause I'm a bastard mod.
The fighting continues in the United StatesThe fight for independence continues in America. Most of the east coast has been lost but the offensive from the west coast has been stopped, at least for now, in the rocky mountains.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3oCItKoN4fc/Tb9Jif3krfI/AAAAAAAAHmU/HQyDAAA-wX8/s1600/CaptainAmericaFuckyeah_Engame_Rise_Against-s750x600-145723.jpg)
The cities around the great lakes are now under siege by the yet unidentified attackers. Battles were so much easier in the 17th centure when people just wore randomly colored uniforms.
Canada sent in a formal complaint about the noise from the fighting... too bad that wasn't the only noise they heard.
♥♥♥ Everyone loves Canada ♥♥♥And to see it swept away in a nuclear attack is a tragic event in the world. Canada is no longer a country.
(http://www.tripodgirl.com/images/canada/TripodGirl_canada_flag1280-1.jpg)
Everyone is really sad about this.
In order to mourn Canada, there will be no killings tonight. No one needs to be afraid of murders or attacks, the UN have ordered a complete stop to all combat for the night. Canada deserves a moment of silence.
Here's the national anthem
Grishnag - Prime minister of Canada - has been nukedYou are Canada
Everyone loves Canada, and man we'd all be sad if Canada died. If Canada dies to a lynch or a nuke then no one can die the following night. If Canada is killed by any other means, you will simply die.
It is now night 3, send in your night actions before 23:59 friday evening. There will be no killing actions tonight.
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Hell yeah!!! Off to bed now.
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Anyway, back to seriousness:
interception
(http://macfarlanerealestate.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/michael-griffin-interception-rose-bowl.jpg)
the missile heading towards Cwave has been shot down!
Who the hell shot down my nuke?!
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Cracking eggs to make an omelet! I do fear for the radiation level tomorrow, and if Cwave got more nukes in his arsenal.. If there are anyone around that can still block him from launching more nukes, they should probably put it on him
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Good job who ever decided to hack Shiftey! My suggestion would be from them to hack Cwave tonight since someone decided to save his life :-[
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Good job who ever decided to hack Shiftey! My suggestion would be from them to hack Cwave tonight since someone decided to save his life :-[
Wowowowo........ so we nuke a red, kill off a green as cannon fodder which turns out affects us for the good as noone will get sniped tonight and you.... want to hack me??
Mother Russia does not get hacked. Keep to your sheets Yoica.......
Quite curious who shot down the missile heading for me. The motherlands salutes you.
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So far you have a perfect track record for being a failed stated.
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So far you have a perfect track record for being a failed stated.
You give me the label failed state because i actually have a pair of big hairy russian balls?
These nukes have done the world great good!
Both Hugman and Surim are more likely to be failed state as Palmar and Nach didnt wanna reveal their true colour it seems. If the failed state would be known now as dead, the game would loose a important edge.
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You cant deny Cwave that you with your 2 nukes a day, cause thusfar thats how it been, you are alone can make the whole fail-state happen.
However, this doesnt mean that your record aint somewhat impressive. So kudos for that.
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Starting to become pretty obvious that Cwave is the failed state. Let's hope that the radiation level tomorrow is still miraculously green. Then we might still be able to use him as our angry junkyard dog, since he does seem to have a good nose for Reds. He still needs a good hacking, though!
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I'm not convinced of Cwave's failstatery, seems too obvious to me. He is raising the radiation levels tho, making it easier for the failed state to win, so i guess he could be.
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Cwave being a failed state is just too obvious. Like me being red is far too obvious. Tyler or Archz seem the best candidates now. Not that it matters, just don't launch too many nukes and we're good.
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You seems quite sure TTaM, yet your the one that is derailing any discussion we have with random shit... perhaps you are sure your not red, i on the other hand got a very different view of you.
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Can't really see what basis you have for me being red? For the failed state, as with the ninja, they will have to have received a few nukes. Otherwise they wouldn't really stand much of a chance of winning.
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Now that's just lies. When have I derailed a discussion with random, unrelated shit (this game) ?
And Arch, not having fired a nuke yet does not mean you don't have nukes. I also did not say you were red. I've actually said several times that you are most likely green (by which I meant "not red" - I wasn't thinking of the failed state at the time.)
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I r at work right now, so i cant look up examples for the moment... but if you read through the thread you can clearly see you are the one that is derailing shit on every turn.
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I await your examples.
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I think Archz with the failed state card is our best bet atm.
However, Tyler his state is actually "failing" atm and tyler is dangerous with such a role.
Palmar and Nach would have liked that.
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I'm not quite sure how to read into the Tyler/USA predicament. What actions can we undertake to help him?
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I can nuke him?
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Insert "I can nukez him?" lolcats pic here
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Modkill(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/mars1.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-G0lN6MP741c/TiDPoKniJ_I/AAAAAAAAAbY/SB6ZtirDJqI/s1600/DeathStarLaser.jpg)
(http://www.bestechvideos.com/thumbnails/0000/7671/6283v9eqkxz4myvrvv9vldgzw4.jpg)
Goza - Mars - Has been blown to piecesYou are Mars
You're not actually in the game, that doesn't stop you from trolling IRC and being generally useless.
If I ever feel like killing you I will, and don't you push your luck sir, I'll kill you and I'll kill you again
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Wasn't Hugman on his way to Mars?
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Palmar cleared the way for the far beyond for him now...
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At least now we know: There was Life on Mars.
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Since when can dead people talk?
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I think Sint has lost his mind. Who is he talking to?
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I SEE DEAD PEOPLE
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So, how come this is still going? Didn't a bunch of nukes land and shit? What ever happened to MAD? Pussies.
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Not enough nukes.
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Well, we don't really know, actually. One landed and the level stayed at 'low'. Maybe another 2 will push it to medium/high?
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day post will be somewhere between late and super late due to lan.
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Hello Nations of the world.
I would have wanted to make a bigger post about the whole situation before my departure to the realm of Nirvana, but the time for it just never showed.
Cwave got saved by someone with an SDI, yesterday, by whom we do not know as i am aware.. I generally dislike saving him, even should the outcome be that Cwave would be green, because as of now there is just even more to ask yourself, when your are looking at where his intentions might be.
Facts are that he has attempted to shoot down 2 reds and 2 greens. Two nukes hit, two got stopped, meanwhile he has also had a nuke send his own way, which also got stopped, which i find very weird. The person who saved Cwave must know his true identity and his true intentions to the game, else the person who saved him is either framing (if red guy used SDI) or actually plain stupid (if green used SDI). His paly is either really lucky with or very tactical Red play, i generally think that the last option of a smart Red play could be a plausible assumption
I can really only see one solution about this, and that is to lynch him for tomorrows lynch. He is too dangerous to have around. But that is just my opinion.
Although i wish you luck, SA over and out!
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There is a possibility that he shot it down himself? But started of fishing for help to avoid using his own SDI so he could continue nuking the next day
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I seriously doubt somebody can fire 2 nukes per day AND have sdis...
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I second that doubt matt. And how likely is it that reds got two countries with SDIs?
I think a green country shot down the missile and as people corrected me for before i dont think its a good idea fishing to much into who fired it or force them to confess. A green SDI is probably the best defence the UN got and greens forcing him to out himself is a stupid plan.
However, i think cwave should take it easy with the nukes or we might have to lynch him even if he becomes a confirmed green.
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I second that doubt matt. And how likely is it that reds got two countries with SDIs?
I think a green country shot down the missile and as people corrected me for before i dont think its a good idea fishing to much into who fired it or force them to confess. A green SDI is probably the best defence the UN got and greens forcing him to out himself is a stupid plan.
However, i think cwave should take it easy with the nukes or we might have to lynch him even if he becomes a confirmed green.
1. You have to remember that even the Red guys do not want to get the radiation too high and if the Reds only had 2 SDI's and then divided on 1 person, it would make it quite a hard blow for their possibility to stop radiation, if they lose that guy.
My assumption is that there is atleast one more besides Abyiss in the Axis who has SDI('s) missiles.
2. And i totally agree with this Blackwhale, and i want to correct myself from my earlier post - it isnt a "must lynch cwave", but rather that Cwave has to calm down on the nuking if he do not want to be lynched in the near future.
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##Day
(short one, I'm hungover)
Day 4No one is dead, we all loved Canada :)
Oh wait, I guess you can't stop AIDS
(http://www.flakmag.com/features/images/aids.jpg)
Eetion - South Africa - has died from AIDS(http://www.theodora.com/wfb/south_africa/sf.gif)
You are South Africa
The once infamously racist nation of South Africa has certainly taking a turn to the better, being one of the most democratic and free countries on earth in this day and age.
Unfortunately you have AIDS
Start of day 1 I will announce that "someone is feeling sick".
Start of day 2 I will announce "It's getting worse"
Start of day 3 I will tell everyone your alignment and role, and confirm you to be town, but you will die at the start of day 4. The one thing I will not reveal is that you will die day 4.
You win when the world is safe.
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Fuck you Eetion, Mother Russia has aids now........ and im voteblocked. My nukes however are in mint condition......!
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As fun as it was to keep the failed state around for mafia nukes, it's now pretty obvious that we have to rid ourselves of him or he might win the next day!
##Vote: Cwave
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As I understood Cwave, he said that he wouldnt have launched the nukes the second day, if his nukes had landed and made the radiation levels rise.
So I dont expect him to nuke people today, if he does then he lied and is probably just out to kill us all.
If he does I will change my vote to him, we have 8 hours to change our votes to him, and we cant lynch him before he launches anyway.
Im quite curious about two players Kendoki and Starbrow. They are afaik the only countries that are still being quiet about their countries, I wonder if they have countries that would seem obvious in some way. Kendokis inspecific accusations of TTaM are suspicious too, I would like some examples of TTaM trying to derail the discussions, I have not noticed it myself.
I was also quite surprised about Tyler suddenly announcing himself, he had seemed so against it earlier, but I guess we will find out when his war ends.
I disagree with EEtion too. It makes no sense that the axis has more sdi, then Im sure they would have saved Shiftey over Cwave. Unless ofcourse Cwave was red and they were just doing some kind of weird plot to consolidate Cwaves trust. I highly doubt that though, Cwave is most likely just a triggerhappy green or less likely an imba failed state.
My suspicions of Archz/Blackwhale is not really getting solved in any way, Archz voting for cwave so prematurely seems weird though. So I might be turning slightly towards Archz atm.
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I'm turning quickly towards Cwave because we are halfway to being royally screwed and he's a trigger happy boon, apparently with more nukes to go
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Did you read my post?
You can vote for him after 16:00 tomorrow, when the nuke deadline is up. No point voting for him now if he turns out not to use his nukes. Of course he could saving them for one day to stay alive and then start nuking tomorrow again.
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Graxlos :
I'll allow nukes until 21:00 sunday night, 3 hours before the deadline. Go nuts!
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Fkkn palmar, then we only have 3 hours.
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I'm going to vote for Arch. Looking back at day 1, we have Shiftey voting for Abyiss. Maybe the mafia plan was to vote for each other on day 1 to screw with us if one of them got killed? Abyiss voted for Arch. Also a consideration is that Arch seems impervious to nukes. So, yeah...
##Vote: Archz
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So my first action as a red was to try to get a bandwagon on Abyiss while he was at work and didn't post? Have I even stood up for a red about to get killed?
For ages now you've been on the clear that I wasn't red, what changed?
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I looked at Shiftey's history. He made it very clear that he thought Abyiss was red. Now we know both are red. Maybe it was something other mafia did as well?
I was under the impression that you weren't red because Abyiss voted for you. I doubted that he'd vote for a red in his first game, on the first day. However, if they were doing a 'vote for a red guy' tactic, that throws some suspicion your way. Especially as his reason for voting for you was a bit shit.
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So Cwave got vote-block by Vdti, but who got role-blocked tonight? We also still don't know who got role-blocked the first night. Now it might have been hugman that got blocked which would indicate the role-blocker is a green since mafia wouldn't block someone that they are going to kill.
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Why not? The order is roleblocks -> roles -> kills. Role blocking still serves a purpose, especially if you don't want the person talking about their role block.
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Yeah, but why the heck would you do that on the 1st night? 2nd maybe, 3rd/4th more likely because you more info then, but to waste 2 abilities as mafia on 1 person on the first night? Not impossible, but it would be pretty stupid.
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Maybe. But getting back to Arch and Abyiss for a moment:
If we consider that, perhaps, Abyiss was thrown under the mafia bus, take a look at the other voters for him on that first day:
cwave - i'd say green
kage - green
arch
blackwhale
shiftey - red
yoica
eetion - green
vorte - green
I'd say it's likely that at least 1 more of those is red - so either Archz, Blackwhale or Yoica.
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The whole thing about TTaM is the following;
- i already stated in an earlier post about the whlole NK come-out. The Archz claiming NK did it, the early start of declaring country and then TTaM coming out to be precisely be NK.
- he tried to stop us from posting at night :
You're not meant to be posting at night btw, Abyiss!
Which was a consensus during last game. Granted he might not have read the few things written out by Palmar.
- he switches around the whole revealing country : first he is pro, later he is against, then pro, then against, pro again, continue...
Maintaining the whole idea everyone could be lying what country they are. Clearly he forget the most important thing, you should go out from the fact people are telling the truth. Could TTaM be the one lying?
- his whole defence against Tyler on day 1-2. He is so defensive and trying to convince us all he aint the bad guy. He got something to hide? Why so defensive, if you are green you shouldnt worry to much.
- he tries to stop the lynch on Abyss
I still think Blackwhale is the better target for now. Wasting a lynch vote on somebody that has little ties in the game is a bit useless, especially when he has potentially used up his special power now.
- he brings up the point of the launching of nukes should change our voting, bringing up the point that we should instead vote another one cause he gets nukes anyway. Then later he disagrees when people started voting for Archz.
Let me get this right, you want to vote to lynch Arch, even though he's probably about to be killed by a Nuke? Why don't we all just vote for Arch and waste our lynch vote. A town not lynching is a town that's going to be killed by mafia.
It is better to lynch no one than to lynch someone innocent yes. Do you not agree?
I don't think either of the top 2 are guilty, so while it is a shame to waste a lynch, it is the least bad path.
But then he says the following :
As Vd said, it could have been a dud. I think it's pretty clear he was nuking Arch to stop people voting for him.
- The whole argument between Tyler and TTaM that continues to this day forward, first he is into defensive mode, later he switched into agressive mode. Its almost the same Shiftey did with Sindia.
- he supports Shiftey with the whole Sintrael argument :
Sint, it's a pretty basic premise. You posted 7 times in a day, but didn't vote. People think you weren't mod-killed because you were red. You've also spent the past few days defending yourself on the forums. Another red thing to do.
You should stop worry so much about yourself and talk about the other people in the game and maybe they will vote for somebody else. Constant posts trying to defend yourself are not helping, just digging the hole deeper.
- his voting reasons are none; he just votes back and forth with funny one-liners or just plain votes. There are no reasons behind it.
##Vote: Kagemoth
No reason rlly given in the post.
Archz, are you now implying you are part of the Axis?
##Vote: Archz
Supporting Shiftey
You see to 'assume' far too much is different from last game. And, considering you were already on my watch list:
##Unvote: Arches
##Vote: Blackwhale
For what reason he votes for Blackwhale? For assuming too much?
As for voting, I'm a little suspicious of Starbrow. Some of his conclusions are such polar opposites of the impression I currently have of the game (and of the people I think are green,) I can't help but think he is red, trying to steer us.
##Vote: Starbrow
Right; because he disagrees.
And ofc, the whole Surim, Blackwhale, Surim.
To summarize, he is switching back and forth. He holds no good reasons for anything. When we discuss a thing, he makes a one-liner and steers us into a different direction then we originally were.
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oh crap... something went wrong
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I only ever actually gave 1 opinion on revealing. And that was that people who were urging everyone to reveal were suspicious.
Also, with respect to Tyler, none of my responses to him were about me at all, but about other things happening in the game. The one exception to that is when he suddenly thinks I'm nice and I suspect a mafia hit is coming my way.
I notice you didn't post any quotes from the above 2 items. Why the lies?
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That's just a load of crap. Anyone can claim to be anyone. It doesn't matter what you claim because, despite our 'similarities to real life', we really have no clue what exactly each country does. Germany for instance could have anything from more efficient nukes to damage bonuses vs jewish countries.
This is into response of Surim post about ppl that do not reveal are likely to be red.
Now from what i read here, people should be declaring what country we are, since it doesnt matter what we claim since we are most likely lying anyway.
We also don't know who Tyler, Abyiss, Cwave, Kendoki, Surim and Starbrow represent. There is really no reason not to state your country because it doesn't say anything about abilities you have.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. In my previous post on the subject I said it didn't matter what you said because you could just be lying and that we really don't have any idea what the abilities are anyway. While this is still true, somebody brought up the point that saying you are a country that has nukes irl could make you a good target for the Axis.
I'm starting to become suspicious of people requesting this.
Here you are against people declaring, cause suddenly you became aware that the ones with nukes and are green are good target for the Axis.
Well, no. I'm saying that any non-axis country that reveals itself to be a nuke wielder irl is a good target. Obviously such a country in the axis is not a good target for them...
Does this imply that people who revealed themselves to be nuke-wielding countries are more likely to be in the axis? /ponder
Here you once again state you against it, after Yoica questions your earlier statement.
I think the declaration of many people on day 1, before anything had happened was bad. Sure it can give us info, but so the Axis of Evil has that info AND they can easy pick out the more "dangerous" countries.
This being said; i am going to take a closer look at the people who declared early on, perhaps it was just a clever idea of the Axis of Evil to reveal us all early on when nothing was known.
I think you are too stuck in the mind-set of the previous mafia games and not really looking at this one as a completely fresh entity. Revealing your role in previous games is obviously almost always bad; you're going to get killed by the mafia or used or whatever. Even then, however, there were some roles in the second game that relied on being killed by lynch or mafia. Look at Kagemoth's special ability; had the axis tried to kill him then they might have gotten blown up themselves.
Here you are saying that while revealing yourself in earlier games was bad now its good, taking the only example possible namely Kagemoth.
As for the whole Tyler-TTaM thing not even gonna respond to that, not sure why you want to put that up for discussion even.
Anyway, i am letting you rest for the time being, i want to see some more input from the others.
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I was responding to Surim's assumption that people that haven't revealed are inherently more suspicious in that first quote. Not about revealing in the first place.
The rest of that is about why certain countries might or might not choose to reveal themselves, not about revealing as a whole. I said it's bad for some people, good for others. Therefore urging everyone to reveal is suspicious.
I'd like you to find 1 post in which I defend myself against Tyler. Is the reason you "aren't responding" because you simply can't? I defend myself here not because you have tried to assail my character, but because you are out-right lying about what has been going on in this game.
When I call you out on your lies, you want to "let me rest". This is a clear misdirection strategy. Somebody getting too close to home with their votes/analysis, Mr. Kendoki?
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I'd also like to draw attention to my earlier post on "poke a red" mafia strategy and say that Kendoki was Shiftey's first vote.
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Fine;
if you go to the whole thread, everything Tyler said is countered by you and vice versa. I dont got the will to make a complete post about whatever has been said between you and Tyler, cause its going to be one massive post with quotes.
Anyway, these are just my opinions, its how i see things. Clearly you disagree and see things way differently. That okay, we need different views to weed out the Axis. Its good, whats bugging me tho, is that you are way too defensive about this.
You should take your own advice TTaM :
You've also spent the past few days defending yourself on the forums. Another red thing to do.
You should stop worry so much about yourself and talk about the other people in the game and maybe they will vote for somebody else. Constant posts trying to defend yourself are not helping, just digging the hole deeper.
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Who's getting defensive now?
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So Blackwhale actually managed to hop back into the thread and vote before midnight, thus avoiding the modkill. In the first part of his post, he writes:
So, i've had some stuff to do and havn't been able to read this thread at all today entil now. As i said stated earlier i am france, i got put into this game with 1 nuke and one night time investigation (Interpol in Lyon), the outcome of my nuke would determinat my powers for the rest of the game.
This still tells us nothing about why you chose to nuke Archz out of the blue. Why is it so hard for you to come forth with a reason for actively trying to kill a person? The only thing you posted to explain it was that you got "intel that hinted at Archz being red". What do you mean by "hinted"? If you were so sure that Archz is red, why did you then go for Surim yesterday instead? You should have pushed for a lynch on Archz really.
It's hard for me to judge whether you're not coming up with more information because it simply doesn't exist, or if the lack of posts is just bad play...
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As for Archz, if Blackwhale actually recieved intel that speaks of Archz not operating in the interest of the UN, this is really something we need to consider. I don't agree with his assertation that Cwave has to be taken off the map ASAP. As it has already been pointed out; even if he should be the failed state, it is still better for us to lynch a red than the failed state, as getting rid of the reds is what will win us the game.
While it is true that Cwave has been very trigger happy, he has still killed two reds making him our most valuable asset so far, radiation levels low or not. Because of this, I'm in favour of trusting his words when he says that he will hold off on the power aggressive nuking today. If he keeps showing us that he is a team player and doesn't want the world to end like Fallout, he's really the closest we come to a "confirmed" green. If the nukes start flying once more, we can still vote for him.
Mind you, there is still the possibility that the mafia are playing a very bold game, getting one of their own to nuke two of them in order to gain the trust of the rest of us. I just don't forsee them having the balls to do that though.
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Now, I'm also very very curious as to why on earth Vdti chose to voteblock Cwave? I assume the reason that Cwave now has AIDS, is that Vdti (who's infected) used his night action on Cwave?
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I am not sure i be back in time today, since it fukkn nice weather here and i r going out today, i am going to vote now.
##Vote: TTaM
For the reasons i have put up earlier. I hope in the meanwhile people will wake up and post some, day 3 is rlly a silent day thusfar. Hopefully i am back in time today to read more posts.
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Damn it.
##Vote: TTaM
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Hmm, not much info to go on here indeed.
Leaning toward Cwave being the failed state, i highly doubt its archz considering he hasnt launched any nukes.
I shall vote Blackwhale for the time being methinks due to his random day 1 nuke and not giving any reason why other than his supposed investigation. If he actually had investigated archz, and he was red, surely he'd try harder to get him lynched.
##Vote: Blackwhale
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Gonna change my vote since it seems that our junkyard dog is taking a nap. But for the record I still think it's a big risk not to get him out of the way.
I do want to change the vote to Blackwhale. But since I know that I'm not red, I really can't see what his game plan was if he was red. There is the possibility that he planned to pull some sort of clever Kawe. Maybe nuke me and then "oh no, he must've been framed/millered". But that sounds dumb, even for Blackwhale :p
So right now it's between Blackwhale who is never around or TTaM whos logic seems to state that everyone that voted for a red, must've been a red :p
And for Kendokis North/South Korea ordeal, if someone stole Scrooges lucky coin, who do you think did it? :p
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I'm going to vote blackwhale as well, for the same reasons I've stated earlier.
He claimed to have investigative powers and that he investigated archz and then nuked him. The odds of him actually hitting a red on day one isn't very likely, so I believe he's lying about his investigative powers, and are saying it's a one time thing so he doesn't have to make up more lies.
##Vote: Blackwhale
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I am going to vote Blackwhale too. He hasn't really followed up on his nuke of Archz. If I knew someone was red I would be going after him for the rest of the game. There is something fishy about the whole story.
##Vote: Blackwhale
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Utter silence. Guess people are afk for the weekend? Still nothing from Blackwhale either...
##Vote: Blackwhale
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Since I haven't really had time looked at this and I still have friends over I'm going to vote the same as yesterday.
##Vote: Kendoki
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I wonder if a blackwhale vote would be a waste in terms of modkilling
##Vote: Blackwhale
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I got vote blocked AND roleblocked...... Archz is my nr 1 suspect!
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Lol I guess vdti could infect everyone with aids, via his voteblock
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##Unvote: Cwave
##Vote: Blackwhale
You better be fucking red :p
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##Night
Latest HeadlinesFrance falls!Another day, another conspiracy member shall fall! This time it's the French who take the fall. After debating the nations of the world agreed that the country who first fought publicly back with nuclear missiles was in fact part of the conspiracy.
As France was wiped out from the face of the earth, the country got investigated for evidence of their loyalty to the conspiracy, but all the united nations could find were the ruins of once proud and honorable France (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/europe/07/01/france.shooting.resignation/art.french.army.afp.gi.jpg)
Blackwhale - France - Has been lynched!You are France
Wishing to gain the respect you lost as a military power, you take a firm and aggressive stance against the conspiracy club. Your determination is to lead the united nations to a glorious victory and spread democracy, freedom and delicious food all over the world.
You have 1 nuclear missile. You must fire this nuclear missile before night 2. Depending on the outcome of this missile, your abilities will change. You may not reveal this restriction at any point in the game, and neither may you hint at it.
1. If you kill a conspiracy club member, you gain an extra vote, and your alignment will be confirmed by me in the day post. You will be announced the leader of the world.
2. If your missile gets shot down, explodes but doesn't kill, kills an innocent or anything else, you will simply become vanilla town
In addition to this you have established diplomatic relations with Germany. You may communicate privately despite the rules of their game. Germany's alignment remains hidden to you.
You win when all threats to freedom have been eliminated.
America has surrendered!After desperate fighting for a long time, the American people finally realized they were no match for the invading forces. They fought on the streets, they fought on the fields and in the mountains, but the once great nation fell to the assault.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-n5Aej39LfEI/Td_wj2vJt5I/AAAAAAAAA-s/kyYlAfKtvgo/s1600/Memorial_Day_Art_American_Soldier_Salutes_Half_Mast_US_Flag-01.jpg)
The Americans surrendered just before nightfall.America has surrendered!
A wild Poland appears!Sometimes there's Poland, sometimes there's no Poland. Taking a look a the latest map, Poland has indeed been restored!(http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/158/c/a/poland_the_troll_face_by_xmrsgreenplx-d3i9vyo.jpg)
Problem?Surim - Poland - Is now alive!
It is now night 4. Send me your actions before 23:49 Monday night!
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Double you tee eff?
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This game is getting more and more weird :P So the question is if Blackwhale did actually get some kind of secret intel about Archz from Germany and that Archz is really a bad guy, or if it was just some shit he came up with to explain his early nuke?
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Aaaaaaaand we have confused..
So Blackwhale didn't have any intel powers, he just HAD to nuke before night two, and couldn't explain why xD That is cruel
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Doesn't mean u have to stop posting completely... Kinda sucks.
Is America still alive? Do they still get to use their powers/votes? Does somebody else control these powers/votes?
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Is America still alive? Do they still get to use their powers/votes? Does somebody else control these powers/votes?
America is still alive.
The rest you don't know.
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Well shit... I wasn't sure if Blackwhale was red or not. After the 1st day I thought he was red, because he asked me to not vote for Abyiss. Then following he goes and votes for Abyiss and attempts to nuke Archz (he didn't get the intel he claimed from me). After a couple of more days of discussing things I still wasn't convinced he wasn't red which is one of the reason I didn't defend him.
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Well big woopie-fukkn-doop, Blackwhale was green. Not surprising at all. Voting for the silent one didnt work out this time either. We saw it already before, now that we all made the same mistake, lets move on. Curious tho as were he got his intell, as Yoica states he didnt got it from him.
So America surrendered! Shocking news, but what does it mean, Tyler aint dead, but Palmar aint gonna feed us anymore besides that. Could this mean that the invading country can force Tyler into voting for someone he is being told to? If Tyler has nukes can force him into shooting people?
And Poland is back... great... its like vermin, doesnt matter how many times you kill one, they always come back.
So many questions...
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I do wonder if the ability to 'resurrect' would be a green power. I seem to remember that the godfather (godcountry?) usually seems to have this ability. Due to the amount of powers in the game tho, i'm by no means certain of this.
Surim! What say ye?
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Game has become messy now with all the random stuff happening.
Seeing as i can only react with Nukes, i will do so first thing tomorrow morning.
I want VDTI to explain why he gave me aids. No good answer = nuke in ear.
My allignement(green) will show in 2 days due to me having aids. I will show up green so please take this into considiration.
Further more, the mafia now will have max 2 (and maybe, maybe 3) players in the game.
To loose we need to end up with 2/1 green..... If that happens this game, i will be very dissapointed.
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Are you sure that reacting with nukes is actually going to aid us? You cant actually be sure that vdti is red. ET had aids and he was green.
For ur second nuke, i dont think you have any information that we dont so your second nuke target would be a big risk no?
You'd also be aiding the failed state massively and running the risk of nuking 2 greens.
Could cwave be scum/failed state?
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I vote blocked you, because I felt you were (are) a loose cannon in this game.The day after did not go the way I hoped, with way too little activity to get some good information out of it.
I was not sure that blocking you would give you aids, but I guess we can confirm that now. My alignment will be revealed as green after this night, so I don't see any reason for nuking me unless you want to raise the radiation levels, and in turn, you having aids might limit your time to destroy this world, if that's what you're after.
On that thought, anyone else want some nice aids?
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I vote blocked you, because I felt you were (are) a loose cannon in this game.The day after did not go the way I hoped, with way too little activity to get some good information out of it.
I was not sure that blocking you would give you aids, but I guess we can confirm that now. My alignment will be revealed as green after this night, so I don't see any reason for nuking me unless you want to raise the radiation levels, and in turn, you having aids might limit your time to destroy this world, if that's what you're after.
On that thought, anyone else want some nice aids?
Why voteblock me then? I actually was dead on target in my crusade against Abyiss. We voted him into death because i wanted it to happen. If not by nuke, then by lynch. I was right on that one so voteblocking me makes NO sense unless you are red. Roleblocking sure, im a crazy russian nuke trowing maniac who wants us Greens to make it a better worlds. But im surrounded by spineless mudcrawlers who don't dare take chance.
Suspect #1 now = Vdti.
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You can suspect me all you want really, but before we're able to take a new vote I will be confirmed green, so it doesn't really matter.
You are by far not clear of any suspicions in my book, even though you have nuked two reds (out of four launches). You also lied about your special ability, and lying is what reds do.
I just used my special ability yes. It's now gone.
Okey, maybe you didn't want to disclose that you could launch multiple nukes in case you were considered a threat, but this information has been out for a few days now, and you're still alive. And that makes me suspicious of you.
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Well, to be fair, the mafia were unable to kill anybody last night, because of canada. Last night was the first opportunity for Cwave to die after it was confirmed that he could launch more nukes.
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Ah, of course, you're right about that.
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Holy shit Palmar is loving his troll in this game.
America surrendering is puzzling, especially without information as to who has invaded him. I wouldn't be surprised if Kendoki is right with respect to the invader gaining some sort of influence on America, but how much we can only speculate...
The restriction on Blackwhale certainly explains his early nuke and lack of solid reason for it. Guess he was this games version of "The Miller"? It doesn't clear Archz, but it does tell us that in truth Blackwhale had no clue if he is red or not.
And with respect to the resurrection of Surim, once again we're hit by the fact that abilities speak nothing of alignment. I'm interested to hear what he has to say for himself...
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I am impotent... No vote, no nuke.
Blackwhale innocent then :( There was indeed something fishy about his intel story. The problem for him was that he wasn?t allowed to tell the truth.
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Well it was a bit dumb on his part really, he wasnt forced to launch his nuke, and he also had two days. Surprised he didnt realise that launching a nuke with no intel or posts was gonna blow up in his face.
(see what i did there?)
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Well technically it blew up in my face!
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Day post, coming up.
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Wtf Tyler... :O
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Lol what, the post just got deleted?
NACH?
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Lol what, the post just got deleted?
NACH?
Bear with me, I have downs and I'm on the phone.
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Yeeaaah... Erhm.
I need clearance on a few things with Palmar and I'd rather not get ahead of myself again - so until I get ahold of him/he posts, I'm going to postpone it, so go to sleep if you haven't already.
Again, sorry about the inconvenience of being useless and all.
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If you've already released some information (such as Tyler's role message,) you should probably keep it released. You can't undo that.
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It's an old rolemessage aswell, I copied the beta version, so it's not correct anyway - which is why I pulled it. I realise this is all pretty confusing (which isn't needed in this game anyway) - but what I can say in all honesty, not trying to brush over my fuck up, is that for YOUR sake, disregard the role message.
It was the brainstormed one from the early posts between me and Palmar so it's actually not the finished product. Which is the reason I pulled it, for everyone sakes.
If you read into the message it could end up doing more harm than good.
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rofl nach, I have faith in you!
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Status?
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Status?
The gods are being invaded and have been role/vote/post-blocked.
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oh I thought nach was gonna do it.
I'll fix you up with a post in about an hour.
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Nach wants to do, at least on he said so on irc, but he was unsure about a couple of things. So he wanted to get a hold of you first.
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##Day
Latest headlines!
Russia is no more!(http://www.top-things-to-do.com/europe/moscow.jpg)
The one nation who actively took a stand to fight the conspirators back with force has been eliminated in the night. The United Nations were shocked to find Russia eliminated in a swift tactical nuclear attack that left the country in ruins.(http://russiantranslationservices.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/russia-flag.jpg)
The word on the street is that Russia's leader stood right at the spot where one of the nuclear missiles landed and punched the missile as it hit the ground and crushed him before wiping out Moscow. It is rumored he said something about "spineless mudcrawlers" before punching the nuclear missile.Investigations revealed that many Russians were infected with AIDSCwave - Russia - Has been eliminatedYou are Russia
The true heroes of this world are born in -40?C in a Whatevergrad. Russia has never been conquered and you will make damn sure that doesn't happen on your watch.
Oh, and you have nukes, loads of nukes. Actually you have so many nukes that you can't actually count them. But due to technical difficulties and vodka you can never fire more nukes than 1 for every 6 players alive, but never less than 1.
You win when the motherland is safe from conspiracy
Australia is fighting for it's life!Vdti, the prime minister of Australia has decided to let it be known to the world that his nation is struggling in the fight against AIDS. The economy has come to what amounts to a full stop because of the ongoing disease(http://napwa.org.au/files/images/afaomediaguide.jpg)
Vdti is infected with AIDS!
Someone is getting sickSomeone is getting sick (rofl)Radiation levels are risingDue to Protoss OP the night post was delayed, sorry about that. The nuke window will be extended until 20:00 wednesday evening. The lynch will happen at 23:49 wednesday evening. Go nuts loverboys!
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lol did a mafia get aids by killing cwave? hahaha
or was vdti silly enough to spread it?
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Ofc I spread aids, but looks like one of them got it as well, as we have two new players with aids now.
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Just to confirm it, the one I spread to was Surim, so either the mafia got it from cwave, or someone did a night action to either me or cwave (If I got it, it was one that I would not be notified about).
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11:14:10 Vdti: btw Palmar, shouldn't you confirm my alignment?
11:14:18 Palmar: I did.
11:14:32 Vdti: I see no color?
11:14:48 Palmar: do you not even know your own alignment?
11:14:55 Vdti: well, ofc I do :P
11:14:58 Palmar: your alignment is 3rd party...
11:15:00 Palmar: = black
11:15:04 Vdti: ah
11:15:14 Palmar: hence, bolded black
11:15:27 Vdti: sorry, my bad :P
11:15:49 Vdti: atleast everyone has aids now
Failed state?
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So cwave wasnt the failed state, but vdti the failed state is infecting everyone with aids -.-
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Nah, I'm not the failed state, I'm just Australia sitting by, watching the world go to hell and saying wtf.
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If we consider that, perhaps, Abyiss was thrown under the mafia bus, take a look at the other voters for him on that first day:
cwave - green
kage - green
arch - ?
blackwhale - green
shiftey - red
yoica - ?
eetion - green
vorte - green
I'd say it's likely that at least 1 more of those is red - so either Archz or Yoica.
(corrected)
##Vote: Archz
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Well that certainly sounds like failed state. Unless there's some other 3rd party alignment. VDTI hasnt launched any nukes tho
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11:14:10 Vdti: btw Palmar, shouldn't you confirm my alignment?
11:14:18 Palmar: I did.
11:14:32 Vdti: I see no color?
11:14:48 Palmar: do you not even know your own alignment?
11:14:55 Vdti: well, ofc I do :P
11:14:58 Palmar: your alignment is 3rd party...
11:15:00 Palmar: = black
11:15:04 Vdti: ah
11:15:14 Palmar: hence, bolded black
11:15:27 Vdti: sorry, my bad :P
11:15:49 Vdti: atleast everyone has aids now
Failed state?
Just so it's clear: Vdti's alignment is 3rd party. Don't post anything from IRC, even things like this Matt.
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Well, the conversation should have been on the forum anyway... Just keeping everyone informed.
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Hmmm, well, a wild Poland reappears. Bet you never expected that, but thanks to Vdti giving me Aids (how ironic the african eventually gets it), Poland may be short lived.
Vdti, you dirty!
Gonna have to catch up on reading. If anyone has the link to the spreadsheet, it would make it easier than searching 50+ pages
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My goal in this game was to not die, nothing more, nothing less, but I failed miserably by contracting aids early :p
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I'll put together a spreadsheet. I got nothing much to do atm!
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I'm suspicious of Surim. We lynched him once and he resurrected. Nothing in my book says that he's not still red. As i said in an earlier post, the 2 lives ability is usually held by the godfather (and veterans/ninjas). Its not a lot to go on, but nothing has changed about him in my eyes regarding his scummery.
Also, i asked in an earlier post for Surim to give us some kind of insight as to why he's still alive but havent heard anything about it yet.
For the time being:
##Vote: Surim
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In what game have we played where the godfather has 2 lives?
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You thinking too much about the old games abilities Sintrael. And about me coming back, what do I need to tell you. I was lynched, now I am back. Since coming back, I am now vote blocked, and i have Aids. Fkn GG. I will be dead soon enough tnx to Vdti. Why not look at him? I know this sounds defensive, but seriously, I am alive. Poland will survive.
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Humm, i thought the godfather had two lives in the first two games, i think i'm confusing it with the investigation shows him as green thing.
I dont think the aids thing is a huge problem at the moment. If it works like ET's aids then we still have 3 days before peeps are revealed, by which point the game will be close to over, if not already over, anyway.
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Why would it be a problem that people are revealed due to aids?
The only ones that would have a problem with that are the reds sint.
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Yo, went to lunch.
The point i'm making is that it kills you at that point no, as well as revealing?
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You still have one day and night left to live before you die.
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Day 1: http://i.imgur.com/tfwcW.png
Day 2: http://i.imgur.com/u2oLZ.png
Day 3: http://i.imgur.com/gYw2V.png
Times are in forum time. Corrections welcome.
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I must agree with TTaM in that I also assume that several reds could have been on board the Abyiss train in order for them to gain credibility later on in the game. Question is how many. I doubt that they have put more than two onto the train, meaning that at most one of Archz and Yoica could be red. I think it very unlikely that they're both part of the mafia, as putting three reds on the first red kill would be too weird.
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First of all I didn't vote for Abyiss on the 1st day, but I'm guessing TTaM is refering to the 2nd day where Abyiss actually get lynched.
If we consider that, perhaps, Abyiss was thrown under the mafia bus, take a look at the other voters for him on that first day:
cwave - green
kage - green
arch - ?
blackwhale - green
shiftey - red
yoica - ?
eetion - green
vorte - green
I'd say it's likely that at least 1 more of those is red - so either Archz or Yoica.
Also Vorte didn't vote for Abyiss and kage was already dead.
I post something along the same line a couple of days ago, but from a different angle. Who voted for blackwhale that day, because he was the only other option that might have beat Abyiss with the number of votes.
TTaM - ?
Starbrow - ?
Vorte - green
Abyiss - red
Vdti - black
Now TTaM's vote was way before the 1st on Abyiss so that would seem to clear him. There is still the option he voted early in the hope to take the heat off of Abyiss from the 1st day.
Then there is Starbrow. He has been playing very safe with his voting although his pattern does seems to suggest a green which is a perfect cover.
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Now down to my number 1 suspect. Graxlos.
He is playing quite a different game than usual. As usual he makes a couple of long analyzing posts, but that is where it ends. Instead of basing a vote on the long posts he makes he waits for a bit before making a vote and 1 line argument why.
##Vote: Graxlos
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My long post concluded that I wanted to kill Archz or Blackwhale but I wanted them to reply so I could have a bit more to go on. I later voted for blackwhale since he didnt reply at all and I didnt feel a need to repeat my former post.
Earlier I voted for Cwave in spite of my earlier post because he started nuking everyone.
So what are you thoughts about Vdti, will he be dead at nightfall or will he have time to infect more people with aids? I guess everyone being infected means that black wins. If he does survive the night I would consider someone nuking him. If nuking an aids infectee means getting infected i hope someone already infected has a nuke.
Speaking of scum like behaviour. Yoica decided to vote for Eetion, alone so his vote was pretty much wasted when he could have decided who was to die.
When we lynched Surim, Yoica decided to solo vote for Kendoki wasting another vote out of the game.
On the Abyiss lynch he finally joins the party and is fourth to vote for Abyiss putting him in the likely category of someone sacrificing a colleague.
Another one doing the safe voting pattern is Starbrow.
Then there is Archz the three days ttam linked Archz voted weirdly:
One day he is solo voting for Tyler, other one he switches to Surim in the last hour and in the third he switches from Abyiss to Eetion in the last hour.
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Even though I don't have a vote I am going to post my thoughts.
Archz: Has a pretty patchy voting record and not a great deal else. I would hang my head in shame if he turned up red.
Surim: We have no clue if he is red or not. I am pretty sure that only one of him and Archz could be given their abilities. As he has not posted anything useful on his resurrection the same reasons we voted for him last time apply.
Graxlos: I did consider nuking him when I could, but that is what I always do. I remember being convinced he was scum all last game, even after he was proved blue. I don't think he has come up with anything useful for hunting scum this game.
Yoica: Had a bit of a vendetta against Kendo for a bit but has now turned his attention to Grax. Not done much to help us find scum.
Kendo: Took over the lets poke TTaM baton from me. I have come round to TTaM being innocent. Could be Kendo just wants a safe target to poke. I am more inclined to think he just thinks TTaM is red.
Sint: Pretty quiet. Not done much at all. I think he is innocent because of the way Shiftey went after him.
TTaM: I now think he is likely innocent. Stood up to the poking well :)
Starbrow: Has a good voting record and makes useful posts. We have better targets imo.
Vdti: Failed state walking? Not worth voting on as we want to find reds.
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Yoica - I added Kage to the votes of the second day because he voted for him on the first day... I think. And Vorte voted for Abyiss on day 2, 30m before the lynch :P
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Right, so after this class I'm going to work, and then I'm going out for dinner with my family, so this is probably the only time I got before the lynch. I'm tempted to go for TTaM, because I'm really not on board with his "red must've lynched red" idea. However, I'm not comfortable with Vdti walking the earth as a confirmed(?) 3rd party. I think it's pretty certain that he got a stack of nukes in his pocket, but didn't see the need to use them with Cwave blowing up everything in a 4000 mile radius.
My thoughts is that he's ready to rain hell upon us close to the nuke deadline in hope of not getting lynched, and then launch more the following day and then possibly win the game.
So I think we should get Vdti out of the way first, chances are that he could with the game with a few more nukes launched. The reason I think that the failed state got a few nukes, is that if they didn't, it would be pretty RNG if they won or not. Would just have to sit back and see if we fucked up.
##Vote: Vdti
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There are two problems with that theory Archz.
1) I'll be dead from Aids after this night, so if I had nukes, I could only have sent out one.
2) I don't have nukes :P
And, in addition to that, I'm not the failed state, he is still out there somewhere. This will be confirmed when I die.
Now, my to main suspects are Archz and Sint. Tyler says Shiftey ranting against him speaks to his favor, but I would disagree to that. It was a perfect opportunity to get some distance from each other, we've seen this before. That and the fact that he wasn't mod killed sounds suspicious to me.
When it comes to Archz, TTaM had some good points, and now it seems he doesn't want to go after reds, but rather me, who has a death sentence. Very suspicious imo.
##Vote: Archz
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11:14:10 Vdti: btw Palmar, shouldn't you confirm my alignment?
11:14:18 Palmar: I did.
11:14:32 Vdti: I see no color?
11:14:48 Palmar: do you not even know your own alignment?
11:14:55 Vdti: well, ofc I do :P
11:14:58 Palmar: your alignment is 3rd party...
11:15:00 Palmar: = black
11:15:04 Vdti: ah
11:15:14 Palmar: hence, bolded black
11:15:27 Vdti: sorry, my bad :P
11:15:49 Vdti: atleast everyone has aids now
Failed state?
Did I misunderstand this?
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Well, I'm 3rd party yes, but I'm not the failed state. I'm just neutral and my objective was not to die. Basically the opposite of the failed state.
Well, I'm failing at that, fast :P
My only option for winning here, is that we take out all the reds before next morning, and that doesn't seem very likely.
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You are South Africa
The once infamously racist nation of South Africa has certainly taking a turn to the better, being one of the most democratic and free countries on earth in this day and age.
Unfortunately you have AIDS
Start of day 1 I will announce that "someone is feeling sick".
Start of day 2 I will announce "It's getting worse"
Start of day 3 I will tell everyone your alignment and role, and confirm you to be town, but you will die at the start of day 4. The one thing I will not reveal is that you will die day 4.
You win when the world is safe.
Found this, so it's now obvious to me that my vote is silly :p Must forgive me for not being able to follow all of this!
That being the case then I change my vote to TTaM for my first reasons. Sure it's possible that some of the reds pointed fingers to each other not to create any obvious pattern, but trying to get a band wagon on a red the very first day before he has even posted? Come on! To me, TTaM is too quick with his conclusions.
##Unvote: Vdti
##Vote: TTaM
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Feel free to jump in like Vdti while I'm still here, see several people lurking.
Ideas?
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I got limited time today, busy RL is kinda getting in the way for me.
I am following up with :
##Vote: TTaM
Yes, i believe TTaM is red. Alot of things he says doesnt, in my mind, make sense. His posting, his reasons, his everything. There is something fishy about it all. Albeit, Archz seems fishy to me aswell. My vote might change, later this evening, when i get back in time.
I try to be back around 22:30 to check the upcoming posts, as we have seen alot happens just a few hours before day's end.
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##Vote: TTaM
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Im going for Archz, due to his weird actions and my reasoning for suspecting him in this earlier post, since none of you seem to agree with my other suspects.
##Vote: Archz
My long post concluded that I wanted to kill Archz or Blackwhale but I wanted them to reply so I could have a bit more to go on. I later voted for blackwhale since he didnt reply at all and I didnt feel a need to repeat my former post.
Earlier I voted for Cwave in spite of my earlier post because he started nuking everyone.
So what are you thoughts about Vdti, will he be dead at nightfall or will he have time to infect more people with aids? I guess everyone being infected means that black wins. If he does survive the night I would consider someone nuking him. If nuking an aids infectee means getting infected i hope someone already infected has a nuke.
Speaking of scum like behaviour. Yoica decided to vote for Eetion, alone so his vote was pretty much wasted when he could have decided who was to die.
When we lynched Surim, Yoica decided to solo vote for Kendoki wasting another vote out of the game.
On the Abyiss lynch he finally joins the party and is fourth to vote for Abyiss putting him in the likely category of someone sacrificing a colleague.
Another one doing the safe voting pattern is Starbrow.
Then there is Archz the three days ttam linked Archz voted weirdly:
One day he is solo voting for Tyler, other one he switches to Surim in the last hour and in the third he switches from Abyiss to Eetion in the last hour.
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Well it's nice to see Archz coming to his senses with the Vdti vote, as it does indeed not make any sense to lynch a third party person (even the failed state) over a red.
Surims reappearance is just as odd as Archz surviving a nuke landing on his face. However, in the last of the two post he's offered since he came back, he stated the following:
You thinking too much about the old games abilities Sintrael. And about me coming back, what do I need to tell you. I was lynched, now I am back. Since coming back, I am now vote blocked, and i have Aids. Fkn GG. I will be dead soon enough tnx to Vdti. Why not look at him? I know this sounds defensive, but seriously, I am alive. Poland will survive.
Stating that he will be dead "soon enough" is not really true though, is it? He got infected last night, meaning this is day 1 of his disease. He will live two more full days, and only at the start of day 3 will we know his true alignment. The question is if he's the failed state (meaning another lynch would be a waste), if he cannot die to lynches (meaning we'd have to nuke him to kill?) while being a red. Or whether he's really a green. He just contributes so little and plays so "ungreen" that I doubt the latter is the case. I also personally doubt that the reds have been given both a nuke immunity and a lynch immunity, which I guess is in agreement with what Tyler suspects too. That said, of Surim and Archz, I think it is more likely that Surim is a bad green or the failed state than Archz being either of those two.
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Briefly looking at the Archz/Kendoki votes on TTaM:
Archz voting for him is mainly looking like an attempt at defending himself (pointing back), which we've seen before from bad reds. TTaM provides a good argument for voting for Archz, while Archz in turn just disagrees with the argument and votes back. Kendoki is just generally sus of TTaM, but I see his points as very general and nonspecific.
What surprises me that noone has really brought up is that he nuked Cwave in an attempt to kill him off after he spent his two nukes. This might sound like I'm about to imply that he's red, but I actually think he was trying to prevent Cwave hitting his Bloodlust button and chainlaunching nukes the following days. Agreed, stopping nukes with nukes is... interesting, but I really do not think that such an obvious move is something the reds would risk. He's also sticking to the conclusion of his own analysis and seems (to me now at least) to be trying to do what's best for the UN.
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Now, coming back to the whole Archz/Yoica thing (remembering it unlikely that they're both red), Archz stands out as the one spending the most time trying to deflect without providing content. I think he's the most likely candidate for a red right now.
##Vote: Archz
Will try to keep a look at the thread later tonight, although I'm still at work and will be so for the next four hours or so still...
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Oh, and an afterthought that I did include in the above, but which would be okay to stand on its own:
Would it be worth it to nuke Surim if he's immune to lynches?
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If anyone has any left... probably.
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Back earlier, gonna change my vote to Archz.
TTaM is still on my list but the evidence on Archz is more clear atm.
Going to post my reasons later on.
Unvote: TTaM
Vote: Archz
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Remember to post them before the lynch.
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No points holding any cards close to my chest at this point, not expecting the votes to tip in another direction though.
I am indeed Egypt, a loyal partner in the UN and set to make the world safe and sound. I am immune to day time nukes thanks to my big ass desert. I do have nukes, but I chose not to use them since I felt that I could just as easily nuke a green as a red.
I leave you with a few points.
Tyler has been silent as hell, but there is no telling what the hell is going on in this game. He was defeated and all.
I don't really see the whole "red voting for Abyiss". Sure, Shiftey(?) did it, but I don't support it as a way to go for reds. So when I turn out green, don't jump to the conclusion that Yoica must be red.
I get the feeling that Sintrael posts a lot like a red. I watched Emptyy play for quite some time after I was deaded, and I recognized so much of his play in Sintrael. A poor reasoning there, but worth looking into!
Kill Hugman if he comes back from his trip to the moon.
That would be all, lotsa love <3
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Arches is lynched, night post coming up
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##Night
Short one, I'm busy
Egypt has fallen(http://www.unodc.org/images/egypt/index.jpg)
Archz lynched, sorry bros, he's never scum.
Archz - Egypt - has been lynchedYou are Egypt
Once the Arab spring passed, your people rose to previously unseen heights of democracy and freedom, the shining jewel of the Arab world, Egypt is now under threat once again by the conspiracy.
You have taken a firm stance against the conspiracy and you will use your charisma and voice to lead the world to a new beginning.
Your sole ability is the Sahara Desert, you will actually survive any nuclear attacks made against you. You can still be killed conventionally during the night or lynched.
Secretly you're building your own nuclear arsenal inside a pyramid. If you survive until day 3 of the game, you will gain a nuclear missile.
You win when the world is safe once again!
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Poor Egypt.
Quiet thread is quiet.
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Needs more nukes!
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Needs more aids I say.
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Damn it Archz.
I'm curious:
Does the failed state win if everyone has aids at the end of the game?
Vdti spreading his aids all over is certainly an "interesting" turn of events.
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##Day
Sorry still, very busy, will give full descriptions later:
Vdti - Australia - has died from AIDS
(http://lach.me/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/picture-2.png)
You are Australia
You are Australia. You don't actually give a shit, you have a huge fucking continent to yourself so the rest of the world can fuck off with their nuclear holocaust.
You can every night invite someone to the beach in Australia, have a beer, relax a bit. That player will be unable to vote the following day. Don't try this shit with Japan though, they're way too stressed to take a day off in the sun.
You win if you don't die. You don't actually care who wins, as long as you stay alive you're cool.
(http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/angela-merkel-3.jpg)
You are Germany
Good old Germany, you're good at so many things and yet so socially inept that everything you do tends to get fucked up. But thankfully it's a lot less damaging to fuck up some currency and economics, than killing millions by celebrating your might with a world war.
You have a knack for accounting and organization. Every night you may send me the name of a player and you will receive an inventory of the items and abilities they have, in addition to the identity of their nation. Their alignment will not be revealed to you.
You have also established diplomatic contact with France, you may exchange messages privately despite the rules established in the game. You do not know their true intentions though.
You win when Germany is strong and the conspiracy is dead.
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No idea why nobody linked this earlier.
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Shit Kesh is shit...
This is how I feel right now:
http://www.endofworld.net/
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How many peeps we got left alive now?
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Surim: He is just playing really badly, but red or green I have no idea.
Grax: Reading back his posts he seems to analyse almost all the players except for Starbrow and Kendoki. Where Kendoki is top on my scum list.
Tyler: and Shiftey: Are doing the same thing as last game, picking a target and hounding them to get response. In my eyes they sometimes draw wrong conclusion, but the tactic is effective in getting info. I doubt both are mafia, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or the other isn't.
Based on my earlier post.
Kendoki:
Was apparently voteblocked on day 2, which on first thought should make him green. The problem is that we have no clue who has what abilities, including voteblocking, so I'm not so sure. He's made some good posting though, so I'm leaning on green.
I actually have Kendoki on my scum list. His previous analysis starts of based on the "North Korea ofc!" comment, but lets be honest who didn't think of that right away when they read South Korea was nuked? Purely based on the RL situation with possible nukes in North Korea. He goes on to make seemingly sound arguments, but they all build upon this. He is also the 2nd person to have voted for Kagemoth when both TTaM and Abyiss had more voted and this really started the ball rolling on Kagemoth.
##Vote: Kendoki
I post something along the same line a couple of days ago, but from a different angle. Who voted for blackwhale that day, because he was the only other option that might have beat Abyiss with the number of votes.
TTaM - ?
Starbrow - ?
Vorte - green
Abyiss - red
Vdti - black
Now TTaM's vote was way before the 1st on Abyiss so that would seem to clear him. There is still the option he voted early in the hope to take the heat off of Abyiss from the 1st day.
Then there is Starbrow. He has been playing very safe with his voting although his pattern does seems to suggest a green which is a perfect cover.
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Now down to my number 1 suspect. Graxlos.
He is playing quite a different game than usual. As usual he makes a couple of long analyzing posts, but that is where it ends. Instead of basing a vote on the long posts he makes he waits for a bit before making a vote and 1 line argument why.
##Vote: Graxlos
We have 1 confirmed "cop" in the game. Unfortunately, he didn't seem to be able to convince many of us to vote his way. So, I'm going to start. His biggest suspect so far is Grax, who has been consistently fingered by Yoica for days (his wife must be jealous!)
##Vote: Graxlos
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TTaM
Starbrow
Graxlos
Tyler
Kendoki
Surim
Vdti
Sintrael
8... I think they're all alive anyway.
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Ok, its hard to play this game with everyone being so quiet. Admittedly i'm being uber quiet myself.. but still.
Aye its a pity that Yoica got killed without him letting anyone know who he investigated but he was after grax as you said which seems like a good place to start.
Atm, i'm still suspicious of Surim tho for the same reasons i had b4, he got resurected with not much comment on this, the fact we voted him red early on, then he seems to have fallen off the radar (reds knew he would be resurected so threw him under the bus?) Coupled with now being incredibly quiet. Again tho, everyone is being quiet.
So of those still alive we have ~2 reds and the failed state still.
Methinks the next few nukes, if there are any, are gonna be a big giveaway.
I'd like a tyler post! Grandad logic is good logic. *teehee*
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I think it's possible that Vdti has infected Surim. It's what I would have done...!
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Im beginning to fear that I was wrong about TTaM, in how he omits facts in his accusations.
Yoica has been consistently accusing me from the beginning, starting with the fact that I didnt analyse Kendoki whom he suspected the most. His next argument is that I vote without arguments, but only oneliners which was wrong since my arguments were always presented in the previous posts.
The thing TTaM chooses to omit is the fact that even though yoica has a cop-like ability he doesnt have the ability to get allegiance. He can only see my inventory of nukes and my secondary attributes.
Yes I do have nukes and secondary attributes...
Would it not be strange if I was mafia to lynch the only player incriminating me, that would seem like the axis sacrificing me.
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Damn now yoica is dead I guess we dont get his spreadsheet updated, anyone have a link for the latest version?
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Which is exactly what a mafia would say!
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Vdti died of aids ttam...
TTaM
Starbrow
Graxlos
Tyler
Kendoki
Surim
Sintrael
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Oh, didn't notice that one.
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Ah i just noticed that i'm voteblocked today.
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And i have aids!!
VDTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
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Right, 7 people remain :
TTaM, North Korea
Graxlos, China
Sintrael, India
Tyler, United States
Kendoki, Unknown
Starbrow, Unknow
Tyler : He is invaded and occupied by another country. His vote and actions can be influenced by the invaders, cant really rely on what he does or say me thinks. Dont think he is red tho.
Starbrow : First he is somewhat sus of the people who voted early and votes for TTaM. The day after he agrees with TTaM's view of people that didnt reveal could be important. Then he is sus of TTaM again of his vote on Kagemoth, later he agrees with TTaM theory about the Abyss train and the fact that either Yoica or Archz jump on board as red, they both turned out to be green. His voting pattern is almost the same as TTaM. His posts are good and informative yet, they seem to support TTaM theory/ideas and guide us into voting for someone green. I think he is red.
Sintrael : Is being Sintrael, its a shame i miss a vote due to him being an ass. Overal he seems very sus about Surim. He thinks on his own. Doubt he is red.
Graxlos : Not much to say. Doubt he is red.
TTaM : He is my number 1 red. His posting, behaviour, actions, voting, reeks of red.
I tried to make things clear in a earlier post, but i cant make myself very clear it seems by posting.
Anyhow i will try once more :
From day 2 he is the first to vote, trying to steer us. Together with Starbrow and his good posting they managed to sway the lot of us into lynching greens.
His one-liners like :
Needs more nukes!
Are attempts to lure out the ones who still has nukes.
The fact he tried to nuke Cwave. Without proper reason, only later to tell us to prevent complete nuclear dead of all of us. It goes both ways of green and red!
His failure of not knowing how many people are still in the game, he included Vdti was still alive,
His sudden conclusion that Graxlos is now a red because Yoica pointed fingers at him for days, while Yoica was mainly sus of me and even voted for me 2 days in a row,
The fact he said "think it's possible that Vdti has infected Surim. It's what I would have done...!" while Vdti already claimed he infected Surim
These are just mere examples of many posts of TTaM where he tries to steer us, or create "chaos". More reasons i have put up in an earlier post.
I implore you guys to take a good look at him or Starbrow.
Let me say the following as an end :
Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
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Vote: TTaM
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Fuck i suck at this voting crap!!!
##Vote: TTaM
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I felt voting for you would seem just like 'revenge' voting. So I picked Grax instead.
I like the bible quote! :D
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Not voting for me because it might be seen as a revenge vote is red thinking. You seem to worry alot how you come over at this point and only strengtens my believe you are red.
You quote posts from Yoica where he thinks i am top scum in his mind, then quote the one post he is poking at Graxlos and base your vote on lies of your own?
"We have 1 confirmed "cop" in the game. Unfortunately, he didn't seem to be able to convince many of us to vote his way. So, I'm going to start. His biggest suspect so far is Grax, who has been consistently fingered by Yoica for days"
1. You seem to think Yoica can know anyones alignment, but you forget/didnt read/just ignored the following "Their alignment will not be revealed to you."
Lie 2. Graxlos wasnt Yoica's biggest suspect. It was me, did you forget/didnt read again?
Overall your lies are obvious, your reasons are invalid, as was many of your other votes, and your actions speaks of red.
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1. "cop"
2. He voted for Grax last... not you.
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Not voting for me because it might be seen as a revenge vote is red thinking. You seem to worry alot how you come over at this point and only strengtens my believe you are red.
Overall your lies are obvious, your reasons are invalid, as was many of your other votes, and your actions speaks of red.
This stands, I will pray that others will see it also. I hope they wont be swayed by your poisonous words and your deceitful replies.
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Hi there, just a very quick post. I'm attending a Ph.D. conference over the weekend, so I really don't have time to go much into posting and arguments. I'm gonna place my vote on Surim, due to his nonchalance about dying and coming back, and as the arguments for lynching him the first time do indeed still hold (as Sint pointed out). Sorry for the bad timing :-[
##Vote: Surim
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##Vote: Graxlos
I'm voting again because the bot seems to think I'm voting for Kendoki.
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##Nuke Tyler
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Breaking news!
A nuclear missile heading for Tyler has been launched from orbit!
(http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/038/732/original/633673088039538329-nukethemfromorbit.jpg)
The missile will land 23:59 tonight, same time as the lynch!
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So is Hugman still alive in orbit then? Is he back in the game? Can we vote for him? Can he vote?
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So is Hugman still alive in orbit then? Is he back in the game? Can we vote for him? Can he vote?
he can't vote, you can't vote for him, he's still in orbit.
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Can we shoot space nukes at him?! :p
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Can we shoot space nukes at him?! :p
nope
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Aww :(
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This game is fucking weird :P
I think Surim is quite likely to be the failed state, so Im still gonna go for TTaM.
##Vote: TTaM
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wow Hugman escaped with a nuke in his pod...! fukkn weird game rlly!
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TTaM is lynched. Night post coming up
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Surim gets a big fat warning for being an asshole and not posting or voting today.
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(http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/funny-gifs-outta-here.gif)
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##Night
Latest Headlines!
North Korea has been killed!It feels like ages ago now, that South Korea got wiped out and this world war started, and yet the United Nations didn't realize until now that the evil North Koreans, the arch-nemesis, the outlaw state, must have been the ones responsible
Little did they know...TTaM - Democratic People's Republic of Korea - has been lynched(https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/graphics/flags/large/kn-lgflag.gif)
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Behind closed curtains you have spent your time... not trying to build weapons to save the world or starving your people. In reality you have dedicated your time creating technology to help mankind when the time is right.
That's right, you're the most benevolent and kind people on Earth, but due to fear for warmongers you have kept your cards close to your chest.
You have at your disposal 3 anti-nuke missiles. You can shoot down nukes in the air to protect fellow nations.
Sadly you're misunderstood by your fellow nations. If any kind of check is used against you, the results will not be favorable. This is similar to being a miller.
You win when the conspiracy club has been eliminated.
The United States have been nuked from orbit!The once proud, but now wartorn and occupied country of United States was put out of it's misery by some crazy fuckers in orbit.(http://www.alphanewsdaily.com/Washington%20Nuked%20Photo.jpg)
Tyler - United States of America - has been nuked(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6TyFiOHIpwQ/Tb40io04dkI/AAAAAAAAN2Q/EQuYW3Tnyfg/s1600/American-Flag.jpg)
You are the United States of America
Holy shit you're baller, this world is your house, people just do whatever the fuck you tell them too. Seriously, you're probably the most awesome nation on earth, you can actually do a fuckton of things.
1. You have 2 nukes, you can fire one per day.
2. You can use your influence to change the opinions of lesser nations. Once every day you can send me a PM with the name of a player and his vote will be "bought" for that day, he will vote the same person as you do. This will be represented on the voting chart, and his vote in the voting thread will be ignored.
If you try to fuck with China or Russia though, they will automatically nuke you.
You win when the conspiracy club has been eliminated.
Night, go!
Actually, I think the game is over, let me check.
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Nope it's not, there's about 1% chance the town can win this, lol
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[22:58] <Palmar> even if for some miracle, mafia shoots kendoki, then sintrael and surim survive. Sint immeadiately nukeblocks graxlos so grax can't just end it with a nuke, and then surim and sint both blitz-vote one of the reds, then a red gets lynched, but it doesn't matter, as the remaining red just shoots sintrael the next night, and surim dies from aids in the morning
Endgame coming up.
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Having failed to create Nuclear Holocaust, Hugman re-enters the earth's orbit, and gathers his dozen or so remains citizens, and takes off into the wilderness, hoping to carve himself a new nation, among the burned, desert wastelands of the so called "United Nations".
http://cookieraid.ytmnd.com/
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I just want to chip in and applaude TTaM for not spoiling the game past his death again, he managed to keep silent for a whole hour this time!
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Kawe already had that last game sussed last time, so he says. I didn't actually do anything!
Also, fake nuking cwave and then shooting down my own fake nuke = pro!
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Kawe already had that last game sussed last time, so he says. I didn't actually do anything!
Also, fake nuking cwave and then shooting down my own fake nuke = pro!
And they called me the "Failed State". ???
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Complete Domination
The world has fallen to the conspiracy. The remains of the charred world are now under firm grasp of China. Emperor-God Graxlos sits on his evil throne and rules the fate of everyone on earth.
Graxlos has outlawed video games, macs and porn, because he hates humanity.
(http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/wp-content/gallery/flags/israel-flag.png)
(https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/graphics/flags/large/ch-lgflag.gif)
(https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/graphics/flags/large/sw-lgflag.gif)
(http://www.mapsofworld.com/images/world-countries-flags/united-kingdom-flag.gif)
The conspiracy wins!
Congratulations
Graxlos - China
Starbrow - Israel
Abyiss - Sweden
Shiftey - United Kingdom
and special appearance from
Tyler - USA
The united nations have been dissolved, it's players have lost
Hugman, the failed state has lost, radiation levels ended at 5, but required 7 to end the world.
Vdti the survivor has lost, he needed to survive until end of the game, but he died.
Thanks everyone for playing! Town really didn't have a good showing this game. I will probably do another mafia game later this fall. I hope you enjoyed playing the game as much as I enjoyed moderating it. It was a really weird and complex setup, so sorry for that those of you who are new.
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Having failed to create Nuclear Holocaust, Hugman re-enters the earth's orbit, and gathers his dozen or so remains citizens, and takes off into the wilderness, hoping to carve himself a new nation, among the burned, desert wastelands of the so called "United Nations".
http://cookieraid.ytmnd.com/
Graxlos nuked Hugman in orbit, screw you, you lost. and you're dead. And he used 15 nukes to kill you, but it's fine because nuking space doesn't increase radiation on earth.
Now go die african.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aolx7msuf_IvdEpmTWp1Qi1mNFFRZkVydFZHdS1Ga2c&hl=en_US#gid=0
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Looking at the inventory in that document is kinda funny
the hell does 1x wheelbarrow mean?
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Having failed to create Nuclear Holocaust, Hugman re-enters the earth's orbit, and gathers his dozen or so remains citizens, and takes off into the wilderness, hoping to carve himself a new nation, among the burned, desert wastelands of the so called "United Nations".
http://cookieraid.ytmnd.com/
Graxlos nuked Hugman in orbit, screw you, you lost. and you're dead. And he used 15 nukes to kill you, but it's fine because nuking space doesn't increase radiation on earth.
Now go die african.
Calm down dear, its only a commercial.
It was just an excuse to post that gif, tbh.
Well played Grax, and Star.
Fucking awful play by the town, excepting Cwave, who basically was the only one who did anything effective. The rest of you fucked about, and shot each other in the foot.
Surim, you are a tiny cock. Palmar was forced, to not mod kill you, even though you deserved it, by not voting, as it would instantly ensure the mob won, and end the game. You could have used your vote, and your voice, and got the town a win, but intstead you didn't, while, being one of the few remaining greens.
It really winds me up, that the mob can just kill off all the good players, and then just sit back and allow all the shit/inactive/non-posting players, to kill each other off. IF YOU ARE IN THE FUCKING GAME, PLAY IT, DON'T RUIN IT FOR OTHERS BECAUSE YOU "FORGET" TO VOTE.
GENERALLY, THE GREEN ROLE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT, AND EFFECTIVE ROLE IN THE GAME, MORE SO THAN ALL THE BLUES, AS LONG AS YOU ACTUAL PLAY, AND POST AND CONTRIBUTE. THE BLUES DON'T NORMALLY LIVE TO THE END, THE GREENS DO, AND THEREFORE CAN WIN IT.
Seriously, I wasn't even green, and wanted you to fail, but reading the last two days, ALL of you remaining greens, were barely playing at all, and its not as if most of you did much the proceeding 3 days!
Time to start banning people.
Also, for those who haven't seen it, Palmar unlocked the pre-setup thread on the forums which shows each countries abilities, here:
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6357.msg115469#msg115469
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Thanks for the game everyone! I'd like to applaud Kendoki for becoming very suspicious of me in the end, I think you were the only one I considered a real threat to my conspiring :P
Looking through Palmars spreadsheet, we were rather lucky with a roleblock on Yoica when he checked me, but otherwise the town really helped us a lot. Tyler too by the way was a great asset, mainly because you all were suspisious of him for a reason I really don't see...
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I must say it is quite a different game as mafia a lot more strategic and challenging.
It is a huge advantage knowing your townies, from earlier games.
I think the main reason we won compared to other games was that outside communication wasn't allowed. that gained us a lot of Intel in earlier games.
people were not analysing in the thread, I was surprised people didn't discuss who would be likely to invade a big country like the us, and what it meant for him. I had fake speeches prepared but you made it too easy :) I'm guess yoica investigated me and saw the invasion skill?
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oh hah it seems nobody checked me at all :)
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Next game will likely be a mini game (9-12 people) and it will be a standard setup intended for me to write a proper guide based on it. If I can be arsed. So look here for the next game, probably a month or two, might do it in december after everyone's got their exams done.
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I WANT TO PLAY!
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Nox also wants to play, lets get him in next game.
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No I didn't investigate you Grax since I was pretty convinced about you being a scum. Based on your posts I initially suspected Kendoki to be with you, but the last day I switched to Starbrow being the more likely culprit. Although it was still a close call between kendoki and starbrow, both of whom I had investigated.
The 1st night I investiged Hugman -> blocked -> Kendoki -> Starbrow. Due to the raid on thursday I completely forgot to post my investigation finding just before midnight :( Also too bad I couldn't convince others of your guilt, but verbal/written communications have never been my strongest assest... That is why I dictate everything important in RL :P
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Gj Axis men, sadly i agree with Hugman, it is a bit concerning that the Mafia can pick of the active lads and then basicly sit back and watch the show as the chickens kill eachother.. not saying that i played any good, but my role was to die early, yay go aids! so i didnt really get my chance to really get into it before i had to die :(
I might have an slight idea for a role like mine, so that you dont actually know that your gonna die at a certain day, but have it more unknown to the player like a claimed it to be in the thread, (mainly didnt want to tell that i had to die at dawn at daay 4), so that it is more like
"you are bound to die from your aids, enjoy your time on Earth"
Or so speaking. Because it is rather not really fun to know you have such a limited time.. specially in the very early stages of the game. i mean hell on night 3 it is the slightest you can get information from voting and kills..
I wont sit a talk bad about townies, but i had grax and star figured out on night 5 as to be the ones being Axis.
because grax and star have been two very good players in the other games, but were never killed by night kills of mafia. If i would have been mafia i would have killed em knowing they were green, so they must have been red.
Anywho hoping to join the mini-game this time :/ last time i was the 13th sign-up'er!
/(Cheers ET
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(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsrsgui84H1qg254u.gif)
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all i can say, is that i played a shit game... ah well =/
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i mean hell on night 3 it is the slightest you can get information from voting and kills..
Generally when I play town I know like 75% of the mafia team by day 3. There is more than enough information, you guys just suck at extracting it.
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sounds like its impossible to win as mafia against you :)
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i mean hell on night 3 it is the slightest you can get information from voting and kills..
Generally when I play town I know like 75% of the mafia team by day 3. There is more than enough information, you guys just suck at extracting it.
Generally when you look at that game, from my perspective, Anybody could be mafia, archz/failwhale/cwave/matt all made a big big big shit-stir around them, so it was just out of my game experience i think it shouldnt be known when you die
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'T was a good show gentlemen, well played!
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Town really dropped the ball in this game....holy shit
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Lol, useful post from Douche there.
Were you following the game at all?
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Have you seen all the other posts Douche made these past 2 days? It's pretty clear he's just responding to the last 4-5 posts w/o any clue about what happened before that. Was fun to read ;D
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Lol, useful post from Douche there.
Were you following the game at all?
been following the thread since day one, called many reds out with other people who weren't playing aswell. Tyler's been so loud in most others games yet was quiet as hell in this once.
Town sucked balls. Suprised Ttam lasted till the end
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Tyler was green until the invasion was complete. I invaded him and made him red on day 4 I think.
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Tyler was green until the invasion was complete. I invaded him and made him red on day 4 I think.
Well people just left it. didn't bother to investigate and poke at it.
Kendo spent pretty much every day CONVINCED kesh was a red and ignored everyone else.
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Wasnt really that relevant to kill him early, since he didnt have his skills or votes.
But I agree that it was weird people didnt discuss it.
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Wasnt really that relevant to kill him early, since he didnt have his skills or votes.
But I agree that it was weird people didnt discuss it.
101 things that people did wrong in this mafia. I'm just listing a few because I had a shitty night sleep and can't think.
Nuking cwave was stupid. Sure he was nuke happy but people claiming he was the failed state. Really? Why would palmar give the failed state so many nukes seeing as they need to nuke to win? It's stupid conclusions like that. Or him being a red. Again, why would palmar give the reds so many nukes?
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IMO the game setup looks a bit favoured to red. China seems OP with the ability to convert a green into a red, that's quite a wtf ability. While town has a lot of strange abilities, a lot of which I don't see how they are of much help.
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IMO the game setup looks a bit favoured to red. China seems OP with the ability to convert a green into a red, that's quite a wtf ability. While town has a lot of strange abilities, a lot of which I don't see how they are of much help.
I agree with some points there, but the town did drop the ball. Cwave was the best nation to be kept alive
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Well I was quite scared about the invasion ability. If people had used a slight bit of logic then what country would be able to invade the US?
I think the skill was cool if the countries were secret, then people wouldnt know who was the US and then people wouldnt know what player had done it.
My reasoning for picking tyler was that he hadnt announced his country yet, so people wouldnt know who had been invaded. Sadly Tyler announced it during the invasion and then I thought all was lost.
But we were saved by sleeping townies.
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The invasion was mostly just like one perma-vote/roleblock.
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You realise of course Douche that if we'd left Cwave alive for 1 more day he would have launched 2 nukes - probably provoking other people to launch nukes - and we would have reached total nuclear fallout and the failed state would have won. We were only 2 nukes away..
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Yup we got quite close, I had two nukes and starbrow had one too. We could easily have caused the holocaust.
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You realise of course Douche that if we'd left Cwave alive for 1 more day he would have launched 2 nukes - probably provoking other people to launch nukes - and we would have reached total nuclear fallout and the failed state would have won. We were only 2 nukes away..
Failed state had no nukes, why would the mafia of wanted the failed state to win.
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Its all nice to comment when you stand on the side-line, its another thing to actually play the game yourself.
So much was unclear, yet that only ment it was fun to play. I agree with you that the town made many mistakes. Not informing about Tyler and the invasion for once was a mistake. I only went after TTaM the last 2 days or so tho, since i was sure he and Starbrow were the remaining reds, shame it was Graxlos. TTaM has his own ability to make him look red from the very first post he makes, nothing ya can do about that.
Like Yoica my verbal/written communications have never been my strongest assest. But well...
Oh and Starbrow:
Thanks for the game everyone! I'd like to applaud Kendoki for becoming very suspicious of me in the end, I think you were the only one I considered a real threat to my conspiring :P
I sense sarcasm! :(
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No it was a completley different game when you had chat-logs on irc and TS to discuss the game. This time all you had was the thread itself. and towards the end the town didn't even bother posting. it was quiet for the last 3 days
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You didnt actually read my post before you responded did you?
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I would have rather have nuclear holocaust then the docile game we played here, even more after i got murdered :(
Some people just didnt post enough and weren't contributing.
Combine this with a bit messy, very themed game and the game just looses oversight.
And if you give me unlimited nukes, i will launch :)
Which i loved about this game!
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IMO the game setup looks a bit favoured to red. China seems OP with the ability to convert a green into a red, that's quite a wtf ability. While town has a lot of strange abilities, a lot of which I don't see how they are of much help.
thing is though, mafia only commanded 1kp (when normally they have 2). There were other things at work, and mafia got lucky quite often.
Also, town mislynched like 5 times or something, that should always end up in a loss.
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IMO the game setup looks a bit favoured to red. China seems OP with the ability to convert a green into a red, that's quite a wtf ability. While town has a lot of strange abilities, a lot of which I don't see how they are of much help.
Also, town mislynched like 5 times or something, that should always end up in a loss.
Exactly. Town failed. Hard.
I would have rather have nuclear holocaust then the docile game we played here, even more after i got murdered :(
Some people just didnt post enough and weren't contributing.
Combine this with a bit messy, very themed game and the game just looses oversight.
And if you give me unlimited nukes, i will launch :)
Which i loved about this game!
Yup, Cwave made the game interesting and gripping. it descended into shit. The Town gave up halfway through.
You didnt actually read my post before you responded did you?
Your post contained nothing worth mentioning. You just went on about Cwave causing holocaust.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475
If anyone actually wants to improve, read this guide by checksix-veritus (he's a semi-pro sc2 player too :P).
some general points.
Town needs to force discussion. Take something small, and repeatedly poke people with it. But remember that your initial prod might be wrong, just examine how the rest of town reacts to it.
Another way is to create a "plan", just post a big post with the direction the town should be going in. Even if the plan is terrible it creates discussion. You guys roleplayed like retards on day 1 instead of actually doing something.
Someone complained about having little information to go by on day 1. Well then it's your job to CREATE information. This game isn't about hoping mafia will slip up on voting patterns, it's about actually finding the mindset behind votes. It's hard to explain it, but once you get it you'll understand what I mean.
The main issue is just pure effort, or the lack of it.
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IMO the game setup looks a bit favoured to red. China seems OP with the ability to convert a green into a red, that's quite a wtf ability. While town has a lot of strange abilities, a lot of which I don't see how they are of much help.
Also, town mislynched like 5 times or something, that should always end up in a loss.
Exactly. Town failed. Hard.
Don't expect people liking you talking shit when you have nothing to back it up with :P
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Yeh, its quite clear that you didnt read my post. Its quite an important fact that if Cwave had launched 2 nukes then the game would have been over, killing him was the right thing to do.
I also didnt see anyone giving up, we just didnt have much to go on.
If you followed the game right from the start, and supposedly called lots of stuff that happened then why didnt you play?
You're just chatting shit..
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Keep talking out your ass Sint. Cwave was a green. you really think he would have caused the game to end?
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Err, yes? he said so himself a few posts ago? Learn to read?
2 more nukes and the game was over. We didnt kno how many it would take. Cwave would have launched. GG
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Err, yes? he said so himself a few posts ago? Learn to read?
2 more nukes and the game was over. We didnt kno how many it would take. Cwave would have launched. GG
Cwave said he would have launched more if he knew that the game was going to turn into the boring shit fest. Not that he would do it if he was still playing.
LEARN 2 READ LOLO?
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And if you give me unlimited nukes, i will launch :)
Which i loved about this game!
Derp much?
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And if you give me unlimited nukes, i will launch :)
Which i loved about this game!
Derp much?
Wow you completley left the rest of the post out.
I'm pretty sure you have downs.
Also Palmar, you need more aggresive townies next time. Not ones that sit back. Kawe is a great example as a townie
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Sigh, you really dont get it do you? You are like talking to a brick wall. Let me spell it out to you again seeings as its seemingly too hard for you to compute.
Regardless of what he said about game being boring etc. If Cwave was left alive, he would have nuked. Ending the game. He supported this with the quote i just made, there is no question that he would have done it.
Kawe didnt want to play cos he cant play this game without doing it uber seriously, he spent a silly amount of time on the last game.
And the townies were mostly fine anyway, too much shit going on.
Saying all of this shit now doesn't actually reflect on the game you realise considering ur reading it from an outside perspective after the game is finished.
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Sigh, you really dont get it do you? You are like talking to a brick wall. Let me spell it out to you again seeings as its seemingly too hard for you to compute.
Regardless of what he said about game being boring etc. If Cwave was left alive, he would have nuked. Ending the game. He supported this with the quote i just made, there is no question that he would have done it.
Kawe didnt want to play cos he cant play this game without doing it uber seriously, he spent a silly amount of time on the last game.
And the townies were mostly fine anyway, too much shit going on.
Saying all of this shit now doesn't actually reflect on the game you realise considering ur reading it from an outside perspective after the game is finished.
I forgot you were physcic and you just knew that he would nuke non-stop. Sorry I doubted your powers of the mystic ass.
I'm aware kawe didn't play it was an example.
Brick wall. Okay sint. Whatever you say. Townies weren't fine they didn't focus.
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When Cwave died, wasn't the town population below 12 anyway? Meant he couldn't fire another nuke (I think.)
The whole reason I launched on him was because I thought he was the best town going. Sadly he died shortly afterwards anyway :\
TTaM has his own ability to make him look red from the very first post he makes, nothing ya can do about that.
Gotta play the player, not the game. You know how I play by now, think about that instead of "oh, he did this, that means he's a red because that's how others play."
And Douche, everyone you told me was "red" during the game was wrong. Just saying.
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I actually only ever said it was Sint. Just because the way he posted was stupid.
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Yup we got quite close, I had two nukes and starbrow had one too. We could easily have caused the holocaust.
Nope, I had no nukes.
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I think we have a new contester for the next games, lets see Master Douche at the mafia table and let us be intrigued by is azaing skills apparently.
either you play or you stop talking that much bullshit Douche, sevi?
yes the town played bad, end of story, but dont keep up the bullshit talk, its hurting everyones eyes and ears
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All hail to the Shiftey the Madman! This game was indeed weird. And if I actually looked at it from a green point of view, I'd suspect everyone, except the actual mafia guys.
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Well, this was interesting. First time playing it. Wasn't what I was expecting. Would take part in the next one since I actually have a clue as to what is going on now.
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I think we have a new contester for the next games, lets see Master Douche at the mafia table and let us be intrigued by is azaing skills apparently.
either you play or you stop talking that much bullshit Douche, sevi?
yes the town played bad, end of story, but dont keep up the bullshit talk, its hurting everyones eyes and ears
Okay. I missed this one and asked if I could join but it was to late. I'll join the next one.
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IS teh new game invite only? I want to get better at this :S
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Well you'd have to stop being south african first :p
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"OH HI LOL, I AM KAGE, ME JAPANIESEE, I DONT AFRAID OF NO ONE, FUCK YOU ALL, FUCK YOUR RULES, I AM ALL POWERF... oh wait you hanged me day one...."
Was amusing.
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Doesn't sound like a red to me though!
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surim we usually ban people that don't bother to vote or post.
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IS teh new game invite only? I want to get better at this :S
I'm not hosting another one right away.
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Aight cool Grax, understandable. In my defence, for the first few days I had no idea what was going on, then when I did, I didnt have chance to read through 50 pages of posts to figure out who was red or green.
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You should then write that and tell us why you are not voting. the day is 48 hours. Should have enough time in 48 hours to atleast vote.
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IS teh new game invite only? I want to get better at this :S
I'm not hosting another one right away.
oh i misunderstood. I thaught there was another game happening now :S
nvm nvm nvm