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Archive => Starcraft 2 => General discussion (public) => Topic started by: Rash on July 29, 2010, 02:39:00 am
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Ok so me and narw played some games to try out the new maps and stuff. So beat Husky and HD to it, and watch my awesomeness in YOUR OWN starcraft! ;D
http://www.2shared.com/file/sLgI725U/Agria_Valley.html
Lost this one, was trying a full herass build (reapers - igniter hellions - cloaked banshee's) but because Narw didn't want me to go reapers, his eco was too good. many many roaches :(
http://www.2shared.com/file/ELWuBH2w/Jungle_Basin.html
Fun map, went for 5 racks here on single base
http://www.2shared.com/file/0JE15OEo/Crossfire.html
Loved this map, nice and long rush distances. THOR IS HIER!
The other games were censored due to inappropriate behaviour in chat by Narw.
download em at "Save file to your PC: click here"
ps: excuse my APM, I'm usually around 60 :D
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Yeah, im usually not so shit... just 2 days of single player campaign as terran + seeing those maps for first time (on that map where i accidently ran into Rash Thors i was really confused :D ) did the job.
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http://www.2shared.com/file/shueLzsz/Outpost.html
IE 4v4! Massive upgraded marine cheese from me :)
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I gave you Guild Member status btw, Therash -- I think you win the prize for lasting the longest time without asking for access...
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Noticed it! hah thanks
I asked for it though, a long time ago. And since you only gave me access to this level, I thought it was "working as intented" ;D
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Ah, maybe -- maybe back before you went inactive, after all the Coldshy stuff...
All fixed, anyway!
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http://www.2shared.com/file/qeROWAlS/Steppes_of_War.html
Therash - Terran
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Lundiz - Protoss
map: Steppes of War
This was actually quite a high level game (it had spectators and stuff). I played vs a member from a clan called Warrior Nation. I like to believe I won because of late-game economic herassement and managing to keep map control the entire game (because my APM was alot lower than his :P)
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APM is like gear score. Even if you have a high one, you might be wearing cloth for tanking...
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APM is like gear score. Even if you have a high one, you might be wearing cloth for tanking...
Indeed: quality > quantity
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Spoken like two people with very small
penises APMs.
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APM is like gear score. Even if you have a high one, you might be wearing cloth for tanking...
This is true, but it is still an indication to see how much someone can handle at the same time, I had this conversation with a rl friend after the game, who said I had way too much Gas, and that I should have spent it on ravens.
That would have meant that when I attacked I needed to:
- Use stimpack for marines/marauders
- Siege and unsiege the Siege Tanks
- place Point Defense Drones with my Raven and choose the location aswell
Now if I was TLO or a player of that level I could handle this easily, but with my current APM I can't keep up with all these things. And then I wouldn't fully utilize all my units. I'd rather save the resources for a possible later attack or techswitch if mine would have failed.
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Don't mistake me, I am not saying high APM is a bad thing. I'm just saying it's not the be all and end all of stats :P
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yeah I know :)
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Don't mistake me, I am not saying high APM is a bad thing. I'm just saying it's not the be all and end all of stats :P
It's mostly useful when it's meaningful APM
but yeah, it's a decent indicator. It's mostly useful for yourself, not something to brag about, but rather as a check-tool of what you could be doing better.
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http://www.2shared.com/file/qeROWAlS/Steppes_of_War.html
Therash - Terran
vs
Lundiz - Protoss
map: Steppes of War
This was actually quite a high level game (it had spectators and stuff). I played vs a member from a clan called Warrior Nation. I like to believe I won because of late-game economic herassement and managing to keep map control the entire game (because my APM was alot lower than his :P)
Well nice play of yours there, i dont really play protoss but from what i saw your oppenent mistake was investing in those immortals? Also lack of that sentrie's barrier which could greatly help him vs that infantry ball of yours i guess.
And yes i still think terran is faceroll :P
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Terran is just as hard as Zerg and Protoss, you ignorant bastard!
Don't give me all that "marine marauder OP" bullshit, you know just as well as I that a good roach/zergling push 6 or 7 mins into the game fucks any MM combo if they're not walled off so far in the game. ;D
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Herp derp terran isn't op qq derp
Wait what.
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Herp derp terran isn't op qq derp
Wait what.
hah :D I didn't start QQing in the first place!
also: me fucking up someone random protosser
http://www.2shared.com/file/02bP3J79/Blistering_Sands__3_.html
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Surely calling anything faceroll in sc2 is somewhat futile if you're talking actual competitive level play?
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I think the main complaint is that zerg don't have any viable tactic that actually works that involves sitting in one base and building units, then just pushing out.
There is a bit of a skill range that really suffers from this problem, namely where people are good enough to not just die to anything, but also not good enough to manage a huge economy over multiple bases.
Basically, the terran player doesn't have to take any initiative in this skill range because zerg doesn't have enough skill to punish him for just digging in. This leaves it to the zerg to take the initiative (harass, or expand), which simple logic shows it's harder to do for this certain skill-range.
status quo: terran wins
terran takes initiative: terran wins
zerg takes initative: zerg wins
I'm pretty sure this slight imbalance will waver off as soon as people learn how to break fortifications and how to abuse a huge economy.
It's just hard to take the initative against siege tanks on a ramp!
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(http://us.starcraft2.com/features/zerg/images/baneling-thumb4.jpg)
BANELING BUST AW YEAH
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Who is Feral and Ozzy?
mvh Vorte
NB: still internetless and lonely in our new flat :'(
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your absence makes me sad vorte :(
I think the expanding part in zerg is awesome, because it really is what zerg is supposed to be doing. I also think it's not that hard to work from multiple bases.
1. You can bind all new larva and easily control them without looking at them.
2. All your tech is in your main, so you barely have to pay any attention to the other bases exept for managing workers (which is made easier aswell by separate rallypoints)
And, if you look at for example:
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The 4gate is probably the strongest cheese from a single protoss base, and isn't that hard to defend against, even if you invested time and resource into an early second hatch
breaking through sieged tanks on ramps is a simple matter of time, simply overrun them with all the units you have been getting from your multiple bases while he is still camping outside one (or maybe two if you let him get a second). My personal favorite is waiting for them to unsiege (when he's getting a second base for example) and then rush in.
If that doesn't work, get mutas or burrow :)
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Hm, that is a really helpful tutorial. He talks about some interesting stuff, i.e. Zerg being a reactionary race. Thanks for linking it :3
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Now dont go so defensive Rash, i actually wasnt completly serious about that faceroll, it's more like palmar said, im propably at best medicore at this game, if i was at skill level and considerable apm i would be able to spawn creep tumors, build workers, place banelings all over choke points and harras with mutas and drops aka abuse that terrible terran is terrible, just i dont so i get often frustrated by losing to bad players a moving with stinky mmm ball :P. Also design of some maps with all those ramps and choke points and total lack of flanking space is kinda iritating, thanks god for that ignore button for some maps (they should implement it in wow also, so i never see RoV or Sota again).
That tutorial i saw earlier, and yeah its very usefull, i think i steamed at least 3 protoss players that way already so its really worth watching.
EDIT NR.2 That "your steaming some protoss" is not what you wanted to upload me thinks :P
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I'm trying to convince the game I should be in diamond (currently like 7th in my league in platinium).
While doing so I've been trying a variety of random strategies just to get a feel for more unit, some of those are quite entertaining!
First: Broodlord rush
http://mail.is/palmar/broodlord_rush.SC2Replay
Second: Queen Push! (terrible, terrible macro)
http://mail.is/palmar/queen_push.SC2Replay
Third: Offensive Spine crawler / 6pool rush
http://mail.is/palmar/offensive_spine_crawlers.SC2Replay
fourth: Huge macro game
http://mail.is/palmar/macro.SC2Replay
fifth: Hidden proxy hatchery
http://mail.is/palmar/proxy_hatch.SC2Replay
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Heheh you love the cheese dont cha :)
proxy hatchery is my favorite, he should have seen the creep by then I suppose? :P
Well atleast now I know that that will be a popular place for proxy pylons and stuff.
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Who is Feral and Ozzy?
mvh Vorte
NB: still internetless and lonely in our new flat :'(
how long until you get internets? I wanna play 3v3 =[
ps the TR is up, so hurry up
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Who is Feral and Ozzy?
mvh Vorte
NB: still internetless and lonely in our new flat :'(
how long until you get internets? I wanna play 3v3 =[
ps the TR is up, so hurry up
WFFFSASS Ffuck, I honestly can't tell, we've been trying to hack internet for 5 days now.. we might get internet installation guys any day now though, but we'll keep trying to hack shit.
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Have you tried begging your neighbours? :P
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Yes, we are currently using a cellphone internet from a neighbour, but obviously it's not gonna be up 24/7 and we can't really do anything that requires alot of download\upload.
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well hope you get interwebs soon, the TR is up for some weeks, and I want Starcraft.
Narw/Super/you/me best 4v4:
2x 6pool cheese
1x marine mass cheese
1x massive static defence to steamroll whats left of them with proxy carrier-cheese
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hDb8vdxCoWQ/SY4hyT4lmGI/AAAAAAAAAG0/84Jm65KVqXs/s400/saycheese.gif)
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I only cheese when I got food in the oven.
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2x 6pool cheese
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hDb8vdxCoWQ/SY4hyT4lmGI/AAAAAAAAAG0/84Jm65KVqXs/s400/saycheese.gif)
But i wanted to get roaches :(
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I only cheese when I got food in the oven.
You're gonna love Palmar then! :D
also: &feature=p
I lol'd
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http://www.2shared.com/file/LcMRjfCs/PvZ_rage_quit.html
Made some zerg rage quit there, was kinda funny :). Not very good play by me there tho.
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So vorte, cause you really want to analyze my gameplay, what did I do wrong right here?
http://www.2shared.com/file/qWPCXvyC/Desert_Oasis__2_.html (http://www.2shared.com/file/qWPCXvyC/Desert_Oasis__2_.html)
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Shiftey, you can do a proper wallin with 2 depots and a rax at that map. Also you didnt scout at all. While you build your first depot you should move out 1 SCV to scout the proxy areas and then move onto his base to see what build hes going for. Just alone that would have given him up since his proxy position was kinda obvious. Also proper wallin would have helped there ;) you didnt have one.
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This is the first game where I didnt scout, wanted to use the advantage at the start and use scans instead. And I had a wall as you can see, sent repair scvs too. It's just cheesy 100% works protoss bullshit. And scouting wouldnt have found it out, it's out the way and scout has it a long way down, so I probably wouldnt have the wall in.
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You know people put proxys to places where your scout doesnt automaticly run? Thats why you should manually put it to check (shift+click queuing) as many dark areas as possible to prevent proxying.
And no you didnt have a proper walling, you had positioned your 3 supply depotes really strangely. and 1 of them wasnt finished.
Pic is one way to do the proper wallin, if you want to build techlab/reactor to that location at start.
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Yes, we are currently using a cellphone internet from a neighbour, but obviously it's not gonna be up 24/7 and we can't really do anything that requires alot of download\upload.
I cant remeber if you said you had a Surf plan for your HTC Wildfire, but if you have you can atleast get internet thru USB-Tethering, using your phones 3g net thru the USB-Cable. And i dont mean you should play on your 3g net, but atleast have net when you want :D
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Check where the proxy is... that's the location I wouldnt have checked, cause I usually check my base and expansion places, I wouldnt have spotted it there. And it doesnt matter my supply depot wasnt fully up, it was still a wall :P There's just no way to defend against that.
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Check where the proxy is... that's the location I wouldnt have checked, cause I usually check my base and expansion places, I wouldnt have spotted it there. And it doesnt matter my supply depot wasnt fully up, it was still a wall :P There's just no way to defend against that.
Its a wall with 50% health left and easy to break.
And yes theres ways to defend that, like the ones I listed previously. Also you could have used your scvs to repair the ALREADY BUILT walls and he wouldnt have gotten in
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As you notice I did sent my scvs to repair. Also there's a way to lock that down with one rax and one supply depot, but then yoyu cant get out with tanks and thors (yeah I know in all videos on youtube they can, but for some reason I cant, it doesnt work for me). So stop focusing on searching for what I did wrong and admit that 70% of protoss I play against do this, the other 30% go void rays
I have yet to see a standard 4-gate :P you seem to be only one doing that
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Ok I suggest:
Fuck the whole looking for proxy thing. Get a supply depot and use that SCV (after the depot is done) to go to the base of the enemy, where you see that he had no buildings in there, and no gas. Also the fact that he didn't scout you either should make you suspicious.
Your wall-in was Ok, but like sparrow says it can be done with a 2x supply depots and a racks. Also, don't be afraid to use many SCV's to repair. Remember that he doesn't have jack shit after you survive his rush, so there's no reason not to throw in atleast 4-5 SCV's to repair.
I know exactly what you mean though Shiftey, and I had the same thoughts when I was playing in the beta. But, this attack can be easily outrepaired by many SCV's and a good wall-in. Void Ray (proxy'd or not) cost an assload of gas. If you see he has both gas fully running, and doesn't have more than some stalkers out, he's either terrible or getting void rays (always assume the worst ofc :P) Void rays get slaughtered by a couple of missle turrets, but most importantly marines with stimpacks eat them for lunch.
Also, I would always get a MULE as soon as your orbital finishes, and use the second 50 energy on a scan, because early MULES give you an awesome advantage early in the game.
SCOUT SCOUT SCOUT and never forget to SCOUT :)
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You should have several warnings in your head when the match started - first protoss, second warning would be desert oasis (proxy dream map), 3rd was that he didnt scouted you. At this point you should know there is proxy somewhere and made a way better wall up, the one you did there was a bit clunky. I know dealing with proxy is annoying if you arent ready for it (i for example just ticlked out Desert Oasis and Kulas Ravine i feel disadvantaged on those maps as zerg so no need for me to get frustrated there).
http://www.2shared.com/file/O8qjUJJ7/Steppes_of_War__2_.html
And here is replay of me doing early drone harras + banelings push vs terran.
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I always do that first mule and then scan, but I wanted to try to keep my scv in and just scan. See if there'd be a noticable difference.
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Should really be in this thread, btw!
http://xoops.iron-edge.co.uk/forum-new/index.php?topic=5128.0
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Finally destroyed some zerg! Yeah he was quite passive after his first attempt, but it's not often I beat a zerg :P TERRAN GALLORE!
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/51778-1v1-terran-zerg-xelnaga-caverns (http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/51778-1v1-terran-zerg-xelnaga-caverns)
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Me, Starbrow and Sintrael having fun in a 3v3.
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/51803-3v3-terran-protoss-zerg-quicksand#rd:dna (http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/51803-3v3-terran-protoss-zerg-quicksand)
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Can't click the links shifty, says there is some sort of "redirection loop"
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Anyone else is having the problem?
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Fine here.
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http://xoops.iron-edge.co.uk/forum-new/index.php?topic=5199.0
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yah, terrans are broken. fuck i'm annoyed
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Serioesly .. the most epic game .. ever !!!
Protoss vs Zerg both top 10 players in the US.