Iron Edge
Iron Edge => General Discussion => Topic started by: Daekesh on February 24, 2008, 10:28:10 pm
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http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/nations-spies-w.html
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Well this is not a surprise at all...but what do I know. I'm just some kind of crazy conspiracy theorist
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Why should I give a toss? What a tremendous waste of time :P
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terrorists im wow omagad.
Lets plan an evil terrorist act leik making cakes with extra high calories!!!
REMEMBER THE CAKE IS A LIE!
EPIXX OF MASS DESTRUCTION FTW!
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Why should I give a toss? What a tremendous waste of time :P
Because its done by the federal goverment of a country that does whatever it wants and persuades other countries, including the one you live in, to do exactly the same or follow their example
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I don't give a damn, and it's very comfortable..
I would be all stressed out all the time if I was to believe in Legin's theories.. :)
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They could be true and I still wouldn't give a damn, the priviledge of being young and emo.
NO SOUP FOR YOU!
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I don't give a damn, and it's very comfortable..
I would be all stressed out all the time if I was to believe in Legin's theories.. :)
They could be true and I still wouldn't give a damn, the priviledge of being young and emo.
NO SOUP FOR YOU!
"I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers". John D. Rockefeller would be proud of you guys.
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Its funny how things change, when I was a teenager everyone hated some politicians, the girls were usually leftwing radicals hating the conservatives being hippies all of them.
The guys I hung around with were usually midly leftwing and we were actually spending a lot of time discussing what was happening in the world and what should be done.
Now a days it sounds like life is too hard and too complicated for young people to even take an interest in how the world is run and what is going on, I guess that is why GW Bush can win an election even after he has shown everyone that he is turning the world in to shit :)
Perhaps its because I was brainwashed by the music of the 80s and 90s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgtWIx2zLtk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgtWIx2zLtk&feature=related)
from when Michael jackson was still black
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftlYLcEW_I4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftlYLcEW_I4&feature=related)
and finally to quote M Ghandi:
You must be the change you want to see in the world.
(Sorry for being so painfully PC and old :) )
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Well majority of the serious protesters are not lucky as Gandhi. Many of them is murdered or tortured in most of the countries (by most I mean non-european). And leg don't forget about the cultural revolution and red guards. Young people are much easier to control and provoke.
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Oh yes, they certainly are. If you get the young ppl at an early age you can more or less mold them in any way you want. However, convincing older ppl that things aren't exactly as they think it is, is actually alot harder. We have a saying in Denmark that goes: You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
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Dammit, guess I'm already flagged for hellfire-ing myself to death countless times.
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Oh yes, they certainly are. If you get the young ppl at an early age you can more or less mold them in any way you want. However, convincing older ppl that things aren't exactly as they think it is, is actually alot harder. We have a saying in Denmark that goes: You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Indeed, now apply this to yourself and your believes that America wants to murder your family and experiment on your dog with alien dna after taking down the twin towers.
You got molded by the youtube selfproclaimed PhD's fanatics at a young age ;)
<3
Ontopic:
I guess dell is pretty much screwed as he will be flagged as some commander of a suicide squad. Wiping and wiping @ blooboil, week after week, surely suicide bombers in the making....!
We also trade in Hearts of Darkness(sick!) and sell pretty gems(shiny!) to anyone with cash. Mother Russia will be proud!!
And tbf, if they would only watch our IRC channel for a day, we would all be spending a 2 year vacation @ some Guantanomo bay resort....
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hehe fatalbone im not telling people to take to the streets just yet, Im just hoping that people will take an interest in the world around them.
Perhaps try to form an opinion about current events and issues. Instead of just being emo and not caring about the world and what happens in it.
We pride ourselves with living in "democracies" but they are not worth dick if people are not actively participating in them.
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You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
In the UK too. Sadly proven to be a fallacy by Mythbusters!
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well graxlos that post was aimed to leg not to you. But keep in mind that having wrong ideas are much more destructive than having no ideas at all. Maybe not in Denmark but in more hot spots.
Cwave I guess you haven't really listen your history lessons. States are the reason behind most "evil" things that happened in world. Having a rich and powerful machiavellist State with a big army is a danger to all; even to its own citizens. Well you don't have to go back too much just look at My lai massacre, communist hunt, annexation of hawai, korean invasion, afgan invasion and first and second Iraq invasions.
and Goza you are right. Did you ever noticed that there are lots of muslim warlocks ? Seeing that pattern is not so hard.
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Nobody commented on my terrible pun :(
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You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
In the UK too. Sadly proven to be a fallacy by Mythbusters!
I fucking love Mythbusters!
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I had a brief chat with my old Games lecturer from university...
Here's the actual original document that this is based on:
http://www.fas.org/irp/dni/datamining.pdf
Basically the article is a bit too sensationalist... but it is Legin, after all :)
The actual document is your basic rhetoric of people who trust themselves as much as they trust the enemy -- a very dangerous state to be in!
As Cwave said, being brainwashed to be a child soldier is along the same lines as being brainwashed by sensationalist Internet freedom warrior viral content too.
A good middle stand, open to each and every viewpoint, is where an educated and well-nurtured person should be. Sadly, that good education, and good nurture, are lacking :)
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Cwave I guess you haven't really listen your history lessons. States are the reason behind most "evil" things that happened in world. Having a rich and powerful machiavellist State with a big army is a danger to all; even to its own citizens. Well you don't have to go back too much just look at My lai massacre, communist hunt, annexation of hawai, korean invasion, afgan invasion and first and second Iraq invasions.
10/10 for missing the point completly :P
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well graxlos that post was aimed to leg not to you. But keep in mind that having wrong ideas are much more destructive than having no ideas at all. Maybe not in Denmark but in more hot spots.
Ouch having ideas is more destructive than having none.
I really dislike that statement, and I do somewhat disagree.
1. What is the wrong ideas? Who gets to choose?
2. What happens if we just dont care and dont get involved, then others will choose what is right and then who knows where shit will end up.
I think delling put it well but I find it important too that every person do actually take a bit of time to read newspapers see the news etc. Perhaps the news are biased by Rupert Murdoch and perhaps Youtube is biased by hippies. But you really have to follow whats happening to form a useful opinion.
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I had a brief chat with my old Games lecturer from university...
Here's the actual original document that this is based on:
http://www.fas.org/irp/dni/datamining.pdf
Basically the article is a bit too sensationalist... but it is Legin, after all :)
The actual document is your basic rhetoric of people who trust themselves as much as they trust the enemy -- a very dangerous state to be in!
As Cwave said, being brainwashed to be a child soldier is along the same lines as being brainwashed by sensationalist Internet freedom warrior viral content too.
A good middle stand, open to each and every viewpoint, is where an educated and well-nurtured person should be. Sadly, that good education, and good nurture, are lacking :)
(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8471/csinmyforumrb2.jpg)
(http://packphour.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/common-sense.jpg)
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"lets call uglier people uglings and kill them all because their ugliness is the source of all evil" "Not ugly ppl killed us lets kill them back"
"Counter revolutionary is danger to all, they will invade our country with their burgoise flower pots and colorful clothes lets round them up and force them to work at farms"
"Well I found something lets take all of their food so they can't rebel against us"
"They should be mad only mads can't agree with me lets put all of them to siberia"
Those are wrong ideas.(although I kinda overdo it :), it is Rwanda, China, Soviet ukraine and Russia under soviets)
Other than that we lack real information about political and economical events. The things that look so simple could be complicated or they can be misinformations. You can fuck up another thing by correcting something. and other than that political "science" can't predict events or what will happen afterwards because there are too many factors that can't be tested. Main cause of events -namely human behaviour and economy- are the most unpredictable topics humans encountered, because they can't be left alone to analyze. Thats why people talk about events after they happened. it is kinda random, you can kill terorist and stop the suicide bombings or more people can be terrorist after they see others die at the hand of your state which justifies their ideology.
Yes I dislike that statement to but that doesn't mean it can't be right.
P.S. I thought data mining means ignoring or forcing your data to prove your hypothesis :D at least thats what it means in my Research class :P
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Because its done by the federal goverment of a country that does whatever it wants and persuades other countries, including the one you live in, to do exactly the same or follow their example
Okay, let me put it in math then: It's going to take at least one person per 100 players to monitor WoW if you wanted to look at each and every person playing as a potential terrorist, I'd think. So that'd mean that the big old evil us would need what, 100k people to monitor every WoW player objectively?
The "worst" they can do is to leach in conversations, filter for keywords, (zomg, we're all in danger, especially nach who will soon be v&) and then look at stuff. Hardly something I do care about, it's not like my WoW chat is my own property (it is Blizzards).
Countries generally do what they want to, with an evaluation of cost vs. benefit. This happens for every country in the world, so why shouldn't the US do whatever it wants to, if it can? I wouldn't give a shit if the US kept a spy satellite trained on my house 24/7, to monitor me. I know it'd be a waste of time, sure, but it's their problem, not mine...
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The whole idea of this project is that they don't need even 1 person to monitor it, they analyse your average Joe playing (x100000) and then have a computer program detect what it thinks falls into terrorist-like activity. Anything that program throws up as suspicious gets another look.
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Erm, I think this topic is waaay over the "WoW spy" thingy anyway...
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Do Blizzard have to give personal info of the players that are suspicios ? and what happens if that person doesn't live in States ? Can they be trialed ? just curious
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Well they'll just put you in a secret CIA prison and hold a secret military trial without a lawyer where you can be sentenced to death if they deem that you are a terrosist. The funny thing is, that despite it is against their own constitution and international law, its legal because they made it so. This is what happens when countries do whatever they want, and I'm pretty sure Starbrow wouldn't mind that at all...secret prisons are fun from what I've heard
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Thank you Kawe. ^^