Iron Edge
Iron Edge => General Discussion => Topic started by: Raethryn on August 31, 2008, 12:59:23 pm
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Hi guys, haven't really been so much on your forums recently but I'd like to discuss about the WotLK changes with as many people as possible, mainly to occupy time whilst waiting for them to come ;). I've recently started up a priest discussion thread on the ravenous class forums, I don't have access to your class forums anymore :<, so maybe you've already discussed this as much as you'd like to, but if you'd want to share some thoughts, insight or discoveries or even just read up on a few things then the thread is:
Priest WotLK Discussion (http://www.ravenoushorde.ath.cx/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7413)
Don't know how many of you who are interested in priests have beta access, or how much time those of you with beta access have to test things, but if there is anything you'd like tested then I'll do my best to figure it out :). BTW I am Reyanir on the Ravenous Forums.
If for whatever reason you don't want to post on the Ravenous Forums feel free to continue the discussion here, I'll check for updates.
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We don't mind posting. But Otori's not the biggest forum whore. Palmar might do some discussin', but he's a big fat casual.
That leaves me... I'm sure I'll post if something important pops up :)
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Meaty thread btw... I will slowly read through it today!
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Well I'm not much of a forum person myself, as you can tell from my awesome post count, but sometimes it's nice to get some ideas out. Since I haven't leveled in the beta it would be nice if you could post what the higher ranks of spells are like and such, I don't know if you've gotten to 80 yet? It's good I guess in once sense, since I was kind of silly and copied all my alts over I only have one priest on the beta servers which means if I want to do any testing at lvl 70 it has to be done before I level.
And how could you forget Kagemoth? Or is he not much of a forum whore either? I got the impression that he frequented forums quite regularly when he was still in Rav.
I don't mind input from casuals / pvpers, all perspectives are welcome :)
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I don't think he cares much for numbers... he just hits his buttons as fast as he can :)
I don't do much with numbers either, but it's nice to see them... hopefully something will sink in.
I am a bit loathe to discuss it with 2+ months left though, I think a lot will change. Almost nothing is balanced right now... expect a LOT of percentages to change (even if they are only slight), which will throw all your beautiful maths out.
I'm still 75 -- no time/inclination to level. I'll try to dig some numbers out later though, if I can actually log onto the beta...!
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Have you tried at all today? It's been fairly good for me... well I got on and I played around with my talents, then when I actually tried to group with someone so I could test out the healing effect of Penance (damn spells that you can't use on yourself!) then the servers seemed to get a bit jumpy. Seems OK at the moment though.
I am discussing more then just numbers... even if I use rather a lot of numbers to do it... maybe I am scaring people away? Though I guess in the end it is a bit pointless... it's just fun to speculate a bit, or at least I thought so. I know when TBC was coming out I would have liked to see how the new talents would work and such, even the ones that got removed. I still wonder how much circle of renewal would have been ticking for, but maybe that's just me. :)
BTW Is there a way of editing your posts on this forum? Because if there isn't it's really annoying.
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I don't know if you know about this but at the moment at least there is a bug with Penance - if you train rank 2 and then respec you keep the spell, it doesn't animate properly, but it works :) Kind of funny to see what the spell would look like with the +healing from holy.
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Former Members can't edit, due to a few people with nasty habits for post-dating edits on posts... :)
I think I can give you a rank that allows edits...
I haven't tried today, really busy with some work... and now I have to 5v5, and sell a bear...
Give Circle of Renew...!
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Will that rank let me see the class forums too, or is that secret private member stuff?
~1880 / tick with penance as holy spec btw... need to go test some damage! I know it's useless numbers but I can't help it.
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I made a 'Former Member With Honours' kind of rank, but no one's in it yet :)
Class boards would be fine I think.
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I Demand 10 mans before i comment!
No but i will read the rave thread soonish ;D
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Well, did a bit of instancing tonight.
Replenishment is nice, for sure. Seems to apply the buff to 10 people on VT application, lasts 15 seconds. Then while the spriest DPSes, it's constantly renewed (sat at 14 second buff duration). VT runs out, it starts counting down (yes, mana returned 15 seconds after VT...)
But I imagine at 80, when I have 20k mana, it might be slightly more exciting.
Dispell magic glyph = omgawesome. Healed Crazy for 1.4k, with a single dispell. He had 20k health or so...
DOTA coming up, will type more soon...ish.
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Hm, it sounds like one mana battery would be enough for an entire raid like that then, unless when there is more then 10 people it can apply it to it removes the buff from the persons with the highest mana. Try and get a raid group together if possible please :)
BTW Apparently I still can't edit my posts? :'(
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With a single dispel do you mean you dispelled only one magic effect? Or just one cast of dispel? If the first one then please find someone with two magic effects. I guess someone lvled inscription, or did they make the glyphs easily accessible somewhere for testing? Either way if you don't want to test all of them out please send some my way / inform me who I can bug to get some ;o Can they even be used at 70 or is there a higher lvl requirement on them? Is there a level requirement on them at all?
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Wtb Disc Dps. How much did a flash heal heal for and a greater heal Rae. Atm
with a 4 part bonus my max rank gheal and flash heal is i think about 6000+/2000+.
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That was on some mob-cast Corruption. I'll go try some double-dispells later :)
The glyph was a level 19 creation by Crazy... they get a new round of glyphs (1 per class?) every 30 levels or something.
You just right click glyph, then right click a spot in your glyph UI. Nothing else to it, it seems.
We're going to try and see if they are unique later, or if you can have 3 dispell glyphs...
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I guess you mean with holy spec Kage?
With the current talent Greater heal is hitting 6.4-7k (unbuffed ofc)critting for up to 10k, think I mentioned that in my post on the Ravenous forums. Flash heal is hitting for 2.8-3.2k, critting for ~4.5k. I do believe that the talent isn't finished though - normally talents do not go 2%/1% 4%/2% 6%/3% 8%/4% 40%/20% :). In former builds when empowered healing was down at 10%/5% GH was down to 5-5.5k healing, and flash around 2k I think, though I could remember wrong.
On glyphs - does it say if it's a major or minor glyph or has that not really been implemented yet?
Btw Delling, bugged penance is really funny - you can even cast it in shadowform! (both as a damaging and healing effect)
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Hehe, nice.
Yeah, dispell only heals once, even with 2 debuffs up.
Everything is a major glyph at the moment it seems.
With a full holy spec (and twin disciplines), 1400 spellpower, my GH is landing on me for 8k.
And it's very, very easy to go oom. If I chaincast, I'm oom in a minute or so (faster with the CC proc of course :P).
It's 1000 mana don't forget...!
This is in old'ish gear though, and only 507 spirit (715/358 regen, on the character pane).
I don't see the mana ticking back in from Serendipity yet though, which I am sure will help a lot.
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Oh, and I still think 2 holy priests in a raid is going to be totally OP -- with 2 Guardian Spirits... 2x imp CC (which you can hold onto for a while don't forget -- so proc it, then wait until you need the charges...)
At 80, our heals will be landing for 10k at least, maybe 11-12k.
Guardian Spirit means those will be landing for 15k...
3x 15k in 3 seconds...
Then 2 priests doing that...
I wonder how large Patchwerk's burst will be...
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With Test of Faith and a target below 50% GH is hitting for ~7.2-8k and critting for 11.5k+, Flash heal is hitting for ~3.3-3.5k, critting for 5.2k+
Delling - Serendipity is not working at all at the moment, I have however tested spam healing once when it was working and, with imp.clearcasting, it was impossible for me to go out of mana. Obviously when the heals will actually be healing someone I'll likely lose some mana, but then that's what raid buffs, innervates and mana batteries are for :).
Also 8k? Is that the lvl 70 rank or a higher one? I have 1400 spell power and full holy spec also.
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That's rank 8 -- 3200-3400 base or so.
Final rank is 4000ish I think, at 80.
Basically, our heals are going to double in size (base), and then some from the additional +healing, conditional extras, guardian spirit...
I guess Serendipity will be pretty good, but not that good. We'll still be casting COH a lot, but it'll help on those 'incoming burst' moments on tanks, I guess.
Right now I drop about 30% mana on Brutallus when I give it all I have on a particuarly bad stomp!
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All depends on what you're healing naturally, but we'll just have to wait til 80 to see. When I was testing it out earlier it gave full mana back with clearcasting procs, which is what made it impossible to run oom.
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Haha, I had forgotten about CC proc + mana return...
If that stays in, it will be amazing indeed :)
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Yust to comment on the VT Nerf/buff (who knows lol).
Felt really slow atm, dunno if that is cause im yust to get the mana back from MF right away or if it got to do with some regen change.
Or this is a selution to the more moving oriented fights that probbly will show up in the upcoming instances. Eather way its hard to point and tell without that big mana pool we should be abel to see later on.
But mind seer much awesome and bug with no knockback damage on SW:D FTW!
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What's the damage like on mind sear? Does it have a cool visual effect?
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By the way I've been taking a little look at dispersion today, did you know that it's not dispellable?
Unfortunately this spell, like Guardian Spirit, does not work on fall damage :(
Oh and have you tested to see if they forgot the offensive side to the dispel glyph and made so that you heal even if you are offensively dispelling?
And does the heal effect work on mass dispel, or only on dispel?
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Ya, would suck if it was dispellable!
I found out about Guardian Spirit not blocking fall damage back in early alpha.
That was back when I had a blue post saying it was intended to be a 10 second cheat death...
Sadly it's now back to the 'block 1 killing blow'...
Just tested dispells -- MD doesn't proc the heal. Offensive dispelling doesn't proc the heal. So just dispelling debuffs, with Dispell. We're gonna be sooo anti-warlock...
Mind Sear has a funky 'pond ripple' purple graphic. Shadowy pond ripples.
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Well, with SL being so low in Demo, most locks will be UA anyways dell, so not THAT much of an anti :3
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If they have loads of dots/debuffs up and they're only on one target, unless you're expecting a burst or something I think it is worth it to dispel even now, if you're gonna be healing the target too it's definitely worth the risk... so long as you / the one you're dispelling knows how to avoid damage for a bit ofc :).
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We'll be increasing Mind Flay's coefficient (base) by roughly 30% to start, and allow Mind Flay to crit. We may also do some tuneups to the Shadow tree as well, but as other players have mentioned the tree is really not the problem, just the base spells not scaling.
Hopefully we can get the new Mind Flay in the next build, but allowing it to crit involves rebuilding the spell completely, which may take some time.
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Please tell me you're going to give Affliction similar treatment.
Something similar, yes.
Dots can crit!