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Title: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Gaeios(Graxlos) on May 13, 2009, 10:00:54 am
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Healing isn't for everyone. It takes a certain mindset. You aren't always going to be celebrated the way the rogue on top of the damage meters is. But every good guild knows it rests on the ability of its healers.
Ghostcrawler
Lead Systems Designer

http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/16903658381-question-about-healer-philosophy.html#6 (http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/16903658381-question-about-healer-philosophy.html#6)
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Vorte on May 13, 2009, 10:51:21 am
Oh come on, like healing is hard..if anything, it's all about the main tank.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Gaeios(Graxlos) on May 13, 2009, 11:02:32 am
just like dying on thorim.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Vorte on May 13, 2009, 11:11:22 am
Quote from: Vorte on May 13, 2009, 10:51:21 am
tank.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Cwave on May 13, 2009, 11:27:16 am
Healers > Tank > DPS.

Fact.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Kendoki on May 13, 2009, 11:30:06 am
So true
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Chippen on May 13, 2009, 12:40:17 pm
its always the healers fault, unless its the tanks fault


DPS is flawless!!
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: delling on May 13, 2009, 01:36:07 pm
Raid leader > MT > Healers > Melee DPS > Ranged DPS > Hunters

(in order of stress/skills required to perform well under pressure)
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Ellori on May 13, 2009, 02:23:56 pm
I wouldn't say the difficulty of the roles is so clearly cut. Generally, the more you're required to do outside your usual role, even as DPS, the harder it is.

A DPSer that has to deal with adds, CC, and/or interrupts has a much harder job than a healer spam-healing a tank. And again on a fight where melee DPS can stand and DPS while ranged have to go deal with adds and/or mana regen, the scales tip pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Cwave on May 13, 2009, 02:36:07 pm
Quote from: Ellori on May 13, 2009, 02:23:56 pm
I wouldn't say the difficulty of the roles is so clearly cut. Generally, the more you're required to do outside your usual role, even as DPS, the harder it is.

A DPSer that has to deal with adds, CC, and/or interrupts has a much harder job than a healer spam-healing a tank. And again on a fight where melee DPS can stand and DPS while ranged have to go deal with adds and/or mana regen, the scales tip pretty quickly.

Typical mage responce :) Moving doesnt change your grand role in things. Everyone has to move at some point, from ranged to melee to healer to tank. So its a mute point.

DPS is easier then healing/tanking.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: delling on May 13, 2009, 02:46:33 pm
You can ignore the wise opinion of a veteran raid leader if you like, Ellori :P

In general, the closer you are to the action, the harder it gets. I cry myself to sleep at night when I watch a caster stand still as something moves SO SLOWLY towards them, yet they still miss it.

And then imagine the rogues and warriors that have only a fraction of the time to make the same movement -- there's a reason they give rogues higher pure-DPS numbers: to make up for the difficulty of melee DPS!

Agree, some difficult tasks sometimes come to the ranged, but the number of fights that require ranged DPS kiting/CCing is very low indeed. I'm taking a very generalised standpoint here. Of course there are fights where it sucks to be ranged (can't think of any...), or where healing is a joke (naxx?), or where there's nothing to tank (Shade of Aran!!1)
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Ellori on May 13, 2009, 03:55:42 pm
I've healed raids on my druid and it was the most boring experience ever (Never forget I'm an Alliance reroller).

I'm not ignoring your opinion, just stating mine.

It's a typical full-time healer's response to think healing is hard. :P
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: kagemoth on May 13, 2009, 04:01:11 pm
Eloori. I play Holy , i also do Shadow. Ive done both and i do it well. You know why healing so much more taxing than dps? because u need to think ahead of other people.
Preshielding or precasting a big heal casue u just KNOW that that retard is going to
eat the full duration WW or stand in that ifire for a good 3 sec wating for his spell
to cast.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: kagemoth on May 13, 2009, 04:03:41 pm
on the other hand having great healers also means that your Dps will likley be higher since the dpsers know they will probably be kept alive...
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: delling on May 13, 2009, 04:05:26 pm
What content did you heal, Ellori? And it also depends on how many healers you run -- alliance guilds often run quite healer-heavy. Carebears, y'know.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: kagemoth on May 13, 2009, 04:08:16 pm
molten Core healing HO!!!!
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Ellori on May 13, 2009, 04:16:54 pm
Well, to clarify, I've played druid in early BC so things are very different right now, but I just never found it very engaging or extremely challenging. Back then we did everything from Karazhan to SSC and TK.

I did enjoy 5-mans, I admit. The level of challenge and the responsibility that lies on your shoulders is really fun. I did so much PuGs on my resto druid and I absolutely loved it! In raids however the challenge somehow dissipates.

This is just my opinion and experience of course, but for my part it's more fun and engaging to play a mage (or a Moonkin for that matter) in raids. I have no experience as melee DPS and my tanking experience taught me enough to know it's a tough job (I only tanked Karazhan though, my feral gear was pretty crap :) ).

So if I were to rank I'd say the leader's and the main tank's job is toughest. The rest is on about the same level.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: kagemoth on May 13, 2009, 04:34:29 pm
Hmm. In TBC druuds were jsut rolling hots on tanks for the most part and throwing rejuvs on the raid werent they? I can see how that might feel a bit limmiting. YOU NEEDED TO PLAY MURU :D
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: delling on May 13, 2009, 04:39:16 pm
Healing at Kael'thas was pretty fun, and Vashj was down right nasty with the add spawns, and AOE... (especially if you did it with 5 healers, or whatever we did it with)

TBC didn't really get tricky until RoS in BT, Bloodboil was fun too (healing + movement is always a fun combo).

Then, of course, Sunwell was by far the hardest thing we've ever had to heal. Thinking Ulduar hard modes will be tricky, but in a different way -- more of the 'damage prediction' as Kage says, and less of the intense spamming, while trying to watch the screen and stay alive :)

Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Grishnag on May 13, 2009, 04:44:31 pm
Quote from: delling on May 13, 2009, 01:36:07 pm
Raid leader > MT > Healers > Melee DPS > Ranged DPS > Hunters

(in order of stress/skills required to perform well under pressure)
why arent you a troll priest?
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Ellori on May 13, 2009, 04:46:26 pm
Now we're down to which healing class is harder to play than another, aren't we?

I simply don't think the situation is as clear as many here presented it, that's all I meant to say.

And saying "you're a mage so you think it requires a brain surgeon to play your class" is pretty silly. Mage is admittedly not a hard class to play, especially in PvE. And yet there are differences in performance between similarly geared mages, so there is something more to it.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: kagemoth on May 13, 2009, 04:49:10 pm
Quote from: Grishnag on May 13, 2009, 04:44:31 pm
Quote from: delling on May 13, 2009, 01:36:07 pm
Raid leader > MT > Healers > Melee DPS > Ranged DPS > Hunters

(in order of stress/skills required to perform well under pressure)
why arent you a troll priest?

Cause WotF rocks. Breaking fears on cat lady and MCs on Yogg is too good.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: delling on May 13, 2009, 04:52:45 pm
I'm afraid, Ellori, 'having to kite the adds on Vashj' and 'Occasionally having to sheep a mob' really does bump mages down to the bottom of the list.

Put it this way, put the list in order of importance: who can go AFK the easiest?

WoW is an easy game. You can't really measure things in relative difficulty, because they're all easy. Yes, a good mage can creep up past a bad healer, through dedication or attendance, or awesome reflexes...

But my list is basically a list of importance, nothing else.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Morbid on May 13, 2009, 05:01:52 pm
Beeing a healer is way more demanding, stressfull and challenging then ranged dps for sure, atleast imo.

And i've played/raided on Morb long enough to know a ranged dps compared to other type of classes in the raid have the easiest job overall.

p.s. Must admit, and stated on vent yestrday also, that i hope i be able to do the "downstairs" part of Thorim phase 1 on Morb once. That rly sounded like a challenge yesterday.

Not that keeping everone up, upstairs untill the downstairs group arived wasn't challing enough. :)


Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Ellori on May 13, 2009, 05:22:38 pm
I agree Delling, when it comes to importance. Mages can't dual specc to fill in a second role, all our buffs and debuffs are inexclusive and providable by classes that also provide much more. In level of importance mages are the rock bottom and a raid should function just fine without a single mage in it, which cannot be said about many other classes.

But I got the impression that this wasn't about importance but rather about the level of difficulty, which is comparative (I quote: "in order of stress/skills required to perform well under pressure"). Either way, I stand by what I said before. :)
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: kawe on May 13, 2009, 06:03:25 pm
When it comes to dps, the true competition is largely (or should be) with yourself. Although I don't know how well that holds true with casters, where you're never required to press more than 1 button per global (correct me if I'm HIDEOUSLY OMG-HOW-COULD-YOU-SAY-THAT wrong, I apologise in advance) or consider resources.

I think I generally agree with Dell's list. Things certainly change from fight to fight ofc (some fights where as a tank all you have to do is stand still and smack your threat buttons on a single target and wait for the raid to learn and complete the fight), but most of the time it probably holds true.

I think healing is actually kind of hard to quantify in direct difficulty comparisons in a PvE context and, like tanking, from fight to fight it also varies rather a lot.

My 2 cents!
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Gaeios(Graxlos) on May 13, 2009, 06:16:35 pm
downstairs on thorim is not hard from a healer pov.
The damage is very low if people stand in the right side and stuff is sheeped correctly.
I used shocks and judgement of light basically except on the two minibosses.(bacon on the mt ftw.)
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Goza on May 13, 2009, 06:18:15 pm
OMG-HOW-COULD-YOU-SAY-THAT-DPS-IS-EASY!!1!

                f*cking healwhiners.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Palmar on May 13, 2009, 09:25:38 pm
I'm gonna throw my opinion in here.

I have lead quite a few raids, through vanilla, a few in TBC and again a handful in WOTLK. I've played both healing and dps roles.

The difference in perception comes from the different metagame. When I'm playing as a healer, I feel that if we beat the encounter, I've played well and succeeded. If we beat an encounter and I come in low on the dps meters when I'm shadow, I'm not at all satisfied.

Of course, a good raid leader is the heart and soul of any raid. His role is generally not so taxing though. When I'm leading raids I just hold down my push to talk button and say out loud what I'd be thinking anyway. I think actual raid leading is far from the hardest role a raid leader has to perform. Logistics and human resources is a much more taxing and difficult role to play. And that is in fact the hardest role anyone has to play in this game.

The difference in DPS and healing is that healing is random intensive focusing, which makes it harder to react to, while dps-ing is constant focusing, making it harder to be aware of your surroundings. I can tell you all that when I'm healing, I have much more free time to MOVE OUT OF FIRE and make sure everyone else does. But I also have to react much more readily to changes that might come up during the encounter.

You see, some healers might not appreciate that monitoring your dps is actually a job that requires more attention than whatching bars. It does NOT require the same amount of reactivity though. When I'm healing all I have to do is watch the action bars and be prepared for a change. It often doesn't matter very much if my initial reaction is a flash heal or a power word shield. Main thing is being able to act on demand.

When I'm dps-ing I need to follow a very much pre-required rotation or a priority system that does take up a fair amount of attention to maintain perfectly. Unlike when I'm healing where I don't very much care if my renew falls off the main tank for 2 seconds, as long as his health is fine, dps-ing is all about managing everything that's going on.

I can tell you that I wouldn't fancy leading a raid while still having to pay attention to my dots, cooldowns etc. As a healer it's not very important I CoH/Penance on every cooldown, while it's much more important as DPS. You have much more time to get a good overview of the situation as a healer, but you also need that overview to be ready to act on demand.

It's just entirely different skillsets. I enjoy healing more than I do dps-ing because I like the overview, but I still like the meta-game of maximizing my gear/rotations/cooldown useage, something I can't do when I'm healing.

I'm not going to comment too much on tanking, but I do think people overestimate the difficulty involved. Also tanking varies more than the other roles between fights. Noone's gonna come and tell me that tanking loatheb, patchwerk, deconstructor etc is hard. Press threat abilities, and watch your health bar.

So yeah, everything in this game just requires a different set of skills.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Gaeios(Graxlos) on May 13, 2009, 09:34:45 pm
This is my best troll ever :D
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Supremacy on May 14, 2009, 02:37:02 am
Well... leme say it this way, DPS follows rotations and it all goes down as u predict "I spam 111 then 2, then 111, then 3, then 111" n so on its all in the rotation u keep up, but there is no such thing for healers, i cant say "ok im gona spam low heals untill the Tank gets hit then il trow a BIG heal yay!" why not? well by the time i cant that 2-3sec heal the tank is out for the count.

On the other hand its not all about spamming as well even tho it seams Paladins do it the most, take for instance "Iron Council, or before that fucking caster bitch on Kael'thas" Paladins have to time Heals for those bosses very well, since the dmg taken is huge.


And as Kage said, its about thinking ahead, whats gona happen now, and knowing in ur head from boss experiance how much % of the tanks HP can the boss take down and how fast, that is prob the only true source of knowledge u got, that shows u how flexible u can be on a boss.

As well iv done Muru many times... and for me that was by far the hardest encounter for me, (gg Dell making me solo heal Nox -.-) there i actually had to focus 100% and look @ what my tank was doing, since mana was so tight i couldn't afford to overheal.


I can understand how someone who does DPS can find healing boring, but lol trust me, it takes almost no brains 2 play a dpser (YEAH I SAID IT!) just rotations n gg!
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: kagemoth on May 14, 2009, 03:08:20 am
im gonna rotate on your ass supremacy. GG!
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Ellori on May 14, 2009, 09:59:28 am
Quote from: Supremacy on May 14, 2009, 02:37:02 am
I can understand how someone who does DPS can find healing boring, but lol trust me, it takes almost no brains 2 play a dpser (YEAH I SAID IT!) just rotations n gg!

I used to be a full-time healer, Supremacy, in which case you don't understand me at all. :)

My point here was not that DPS is hard in raids, because it's not. For my part though, it's more fun than healing. My point was that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to play a healer either.

Just like Palmar writes, it's about overview vs. focus. I find focus more challenging.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Supremacy on May 15, 2009, 12:51:27 am
Well u healed 5man grps n such... cant rly be compared to Kael pre nerf, or Muru pre nerf, on Muru u know as soon  as u start doing him the right way that its fucking unreal :) as well, u played a drood, Drood healers back then like i think Kage said just rotated hots and thats it, they couldent go oom, and weren't rly a especially strong healing class in pve, now Paladins weren't as well, altho no one could heal Tanks like we did, but we had serious Mana issues on Muru.

From my view point, dpsers have it much easier then healers, u never hear Delling saying, "U sux Ale, u whiped us" or "Ur just shit dont whipe my raid!" Why? cos its on the healers shoulders to keep the raid up and, this is a hard word for dps "Think ahead".

But as a Mage i can understand how u think dpsing is hard, 2 buttons and standing in 1 place the entire fight must be a killer! xD <3


P.s. A bit of trolling and a bit of truth in what i wrote, so dont go emo on meh! :)


And in the end, the main reason its hard to be a healer, is the responsibility.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Fuzion on May 15, 2009, 01:11:50 am
I think it would be better to look at the game from a far away viewpoint.

It is a dynamic game, meaning with every update a class gets nerfed and another gets buffed. This causes the classes roles to change in boss encounters very often. Some encounters are easier for some classes, some arent.

Though I do agree that healing has more stress because the individuals reactions are very important. (same for MT) In some encounters a DPS player is given a responsibility according to the bosses tactics and needs to execute it correctly otherwise the raid could wipe becuse of that single player. On the other hand healers always have some sort of pressure on them. (Depending on the encounter)

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Daekesh on May 15, 2009, 05:33:48 am
Quote from: Supremacy on May 15, 2009, 12:51:27 am
From my view point, dpsers have it much easier then healers, u never hear Delling saying, "U sux Ale, u whiped us" or "Ur just shit dont whipe my raid!" Why? cos its on the healers shoulders to keep the raid up and, this is a hard word for dps "Think ahead".

Gidra (Gynna) wiped us plenty in Sunwell :P
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Thecurse on May 15, 2009, 05:38:45 am
this is so shit, all of it except the raid leader.

I have played tank, melee dps,ranged dps, healed whatever, its all fun, frustrating, challenging and demands focus some more on specific fights all I have to say really.

but for the raidleader, I for one couldnt take the pressure, frustration in leading the raids, sure I would take the happiness of downing a boss but the times u try on him, u have to stay cool and all, at all times, not a job for me, so heads up for raidleaders :P
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Vorte on May 15, 2009, 05:50:50 am
I for one love raid leading. And let's all remember, this game isn't very hard. When it comes to tthe dps vs healer stuff, I'm sure under the most stressful situations, healing is a bit harder - on a "everyday" basis, keeping rotations up is probably harder.

A raid leading tank must surely be the hardest role to play in a raid!
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Daekesh on May 15, 2009, 06:10:30 am
Raid leading is as hard as the raid makes it.  If everybody turned up knowing tactics, listened to vent and generally played well, it would be the easiest job in the world.  We, however, have people asking 'Insanity? what is this?' after 2 hours of wiping on Yogg :)
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Vorte on May 15, 2009, 06:29:12 am
INSANE!

Well sure, but leading is alot about making right choices..so it's allmost allways gonna be hard!
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Daekesh on May 15, 2009, 06:58:59 am
Not all choices are hard.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: kawe on May 15, 2009, 09:03:44 am
Quote from: TTaM on May 15, 2009, 06:10:30 am
Raid leading is as hard as the raid makes it.  If everybody turned up knowing tactics, listened to vent and generally played well, it would be the easiest job in the world.  We, however, have people asking 'Insanity? what is this?' after 2 hours of wiping on Yogg :)

QFT

And yes, Supremacy, DPS in IE often gets the blame when it is right and proper :) After all, it is usually DPS who end up standing in the fire. All about that focus!
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Ellori on May 15, 2009, 10:04:04 am
Quote from: Supremacy on May 15, 2009, 12:51:27 am
But as a Mage i can understand how u think dpsing is hard, 2 buttons and standing in 1 place the entire fight must be a killer! xD <3

When did I say DPS was hard? Quote me please. In return, I'll quote the 3 times I repeated in this thread DPS is easy. And so is healing.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Goza on May 15, 2009, 11:38:58 am
Quote from: Vorte on May 15, 2009, 05:50:50 am
And let's all remember, this game isn't very hard.

Hmmm. In danger of making me look like a fool, but is this "WoW = easy game" really fitting when talking about our current content = Ulduar hard modes?
Note that I'm not talking about silly AOE EVERYTHING Naxxramas or doing solo missions/5 man dungeons. Those are indeed incredible simple.

For me, Ulduar hard modes require the following:

I don't know what other games you folks play, but here's a list of some of my recent games and their difficulty:

GTA 4 (X360): average, some missions are hard/annoying due to length
Fallout 3 (PC): easy, the only slightly challenging parts were the Deathclaws
Prince of Persia (X360): pisseasy, you actually can't die at all
X-Men Origins Wolverine: easy (constant checkpoints and self-healing)
Dead Space: easy/average
Resident Evil 5 (X360): easy

And none of those games require me to research any tactics or customize my GUI to actually be able to perform OKish.
Just compare your average game UI to a WoW UI. While every other game gets less and less onscreen UI items, WoW gets more and more.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Supremacy on May 15, 2009, 01:40:53 pm
Quote from: Ellori on May 15, 2009, 10:04:04 am
DPS is easy. And so is healing.


And like i said u played a Resto Drood in 5 man encounters :) ofc its gonna be ez Ellori.

Im just trolling a bit, but im sure there r some bosses where the dps has to use brains at some point, like YS to stop dps in p1 or in p2 to come out of the portals, or on Freya to stop dps on the lashers, n so on, im sure there r many bosses right now that demand some sort of responsibility and awareness from the dps, but all that doesn't come close to what healers have to put up with.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Ellori on May 15, 2009, 02:03:27 pm
I didn't play a resto druid only in 5-mans Supremacy, which you would have known if you read my posts carefully. I'm not quite sure how you can even argue against me if you obviously don't even know what you're arguing against.

I did enjoy 5-mans most because it was challenging for a druid healer. The content I raided was pretty challenging at the time with the gear that was available to us (and it wasn't much). Make of it what you want, I consider my raiding experience as a druid healer pretty valid.

You may not agree with my opinion, but dismissing it on grounds that aren't even valid is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: delling on May 15, 2009, 03:12:28 pm
Very true, Goz... maybe WoW isn't as easy as I make it out to be :)
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Supremacy on May 16, 2009, 12:42:13 pm
Quote from: Ellori on May 13, 2009, 04:16:54 pm
Back then we did everything from Karazhan to SSC and TK.



Did u do them after the nerf? If u did its not hard... and im very sure u did em after the nerf.

Look i dont wana argue w/ u, u got 3-4 of the servers best healers telling u that droods were not a hard thing to play back in TBC and u still keep on going as if all the 4-5yrs of healing that we have mean nothing.

I never said ur a bad player or anything of the sort, so dont go all offended, im just telling u how it is, and my point of view, i mean if Paladins beat Resto Droods on healing done then.. lol u can assume how it was back then.

Like i said but seams u dont read all that i write only bits n peaces, some encounters r ez for dps, others for Healers, the game is like that, but never confuse where most of the "thinking" lies, iv played Ret for a few days now in raids, and to me its much easier then healing.

This is MY opinion, will NOT change as i SEE it this way, doesent mean everyone thinks like me.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Ellori on May 16, 2009, 01:07:31 pm
You mistake determination for hostility, Supremacy. :)

I'm too rational to get worked up over an opinion exchange, I'm not Serbian*. ;)

I respect your opinion, all I'm asking for is for you to stop invalidating my experience and opinions in return.


* * *

* This wasn't meant as an insult; people tend to perceive a written message in a tone that is characteristic for their environment, and Serbs tend to be hot-headed. It's not necessarily a bad personality trait, just saying I'm not the same way. :P
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Hugman on May 16, 2009, 01:30:08 pm
Quote from: Ellori on May 16, 2009, 01:07:31 pm
I'm too rational to get worked up over an opinion exchange, I'm not Serbian. ;)

Oh snap!
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Daekesh on May 16, 2009, 04:59:38 pm
Quote from: Supremacy on May 16, 2009, 12:42:13 pm
iv played Ret for a few days now in raids, and to me its much easier then healing.

But you're not as good at ret as you are at healing?  So how can you compare how easy they are when you don't know how to dps properly? :)  DPS isn't just about doing damage, there's a whole meta-game going on that you don't know much about!
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Supremacy on May 16, 2009, 06:01:19 pm
Oi! i showed those 2 Huntards last night how dps is made in that 5 man!

AND im missing gear still, so i cant pass a certain point atm, once i get the set in ret... i will brake all!


And im far from worked up and angry atm :) I just respond back as u ppl respond to my comments, and if u think im angry hehe u wana avoid the rest of the Serbs then. 
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Kendoki on May 16, 2009, 08:16:40 pm
Been following this thread and i got a question or 2.

Did 3-4 of those so called "of the servers best healers" ever played a Druid in a raid setting?

And when did this ever happen? "if Paladins beat Resto Droods on healing done then.. " I have yet to see you above any of the Druids, Ino pops on once in awhile.. but you?

OH BTW TAKE NO OFFENCE!
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: delling on May 16, 2009, 08:29:28 pm
I'm sure you were one of those 3-4 best healers, Kendo.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Ino on May 16, 2009, 08:32:55 pm
A thing as 'best healer' is quite hard to define. If you look at healing meters raid healers will usually end at the top. For a good healer it also depends on awareness (NIGGREZONES), timing, not going afk , reading stuff like elitist-jerks etc...

tl;dr: Wanking the healing meter doesn't make you a good healer :).
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Kendoki on May 16, 2009, 09:22:41 pm
Oi, almost forgot!

Wuts with the druid "hate" then?  :o
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: kawe on May 16, 2009, 09:41:50 pm
Wow, Ellori is like some kind of trained forum-poster. Shudder to imagine the trolling capability that's lying there.

Re. WoW being easy or not, I think the usual reason for that coming up is when people fail at the easy parts.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Supremacy on May 17, 2009, 03:57:39 am
Quote from: Kendoki on May 16, 2009, 08:16:40 pm
Been following this thread and i got a question or 2.

Did 3-4 of those so called "of the servers best healers" ever played a Druid in a raid setting?

And when did this ever happen? "if Paladins beat Resto Droods on healing done then.. " I have yet to see you above any of the Druids, Ino pops on once in awhile.. but you?

OH BTW TAKE NO OFFENCE!


Ahh is that why u fail on Mmron rockets constantly? cos u observe the healing meters w/ such focus!

Second healing meters dont say how good a healer is, as Ino said raid healers r usually on top, but the important thing is that u do ur job.

p.s. look a bit better @ those healing meters...rockets as well.

DONT GO SHIFTEY ON ME NOW!
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: kagemoth on May 17, 2009, 04:16:20 am
HAaha DEAD ON A ROCKET!

*adds some more feul to fire*
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Shiftey on May 17, 2009, 09:17:29 am
I saw my name!

Ye I fail at rockets not because I want the healing meter, I have it hidden always unless you and kage are spamming iehealers for me to post it. But because I am watching the others or grid to be quick on save THEM.

Now that might make me a good healer, the fact I die on rockets.... eheh, probably not so good

and Ghostcrawler is wise!
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Ellori on May 17, 2009, 10:28:56 am
I don't hate druids.  :-X

The only reason I didn't roll a druid again when I rerolled Horde is because I just can't get over my main character being a cow (I do have a moo-moo druid alt though). Yes, I guess I'm that shallow.  :D

Of course, I forgot to add, the ugly anorectic lion form doesn't really help matters much.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Supremacy on May 17, 2009, 12:41:32 pm
Hahaha no Shiftey im just making fun of fat bird Kendo not to go emo n HS on my post... erm... like u in Ulduar xD has nothing 2 do w/ u healing <3
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Shiftey on May 17, 2009, 01:14:48 pm
Quote from: Ellori on May 17, 2009, 10:28:56 am
Of course, I forgot to add, the ugly anorectic lion form doesn't really help matters much.

Are you jealous of a virtual kitteh?

And dont worry Supremacy, HS on cooldown.
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Ellori on May 17, 2009, 08:24:20 pm
Jealous?  :D
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Shannaro on May 17, 2009, 09:06:18 pm
Ellori ftw <3
Title: Re: Ghostcrawler is wise
Post by: Supremacy on May 17, 2009, 11:12:40 pm
Quote from: Shiftey on May 17, 2009, 01:14:48 pm


And dont worry Supremacy, HS on cooldown.

<3