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Iron Edge => Recruitment => Raider Recruitment => Topic started by: kagemoth on August 10, 2010, 01:09:17 am

Title: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: kagemoth on August 10, 2010, 01:09:17 am: Hello all , my name is Sebastian Walter Garside and i humbly present to you my
application to your guild and , ulimatley , your raids! Btw im african.
So first things first!

Class: Priest
Race : Undead
Spec : I'm a Disc priest BUT i have done holy for as long as i can remember, only changing
to disc about 6 or so months ago to accomidate my previous guild better. I also have
access to sum sick shadow gear!
Armoury: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dunemaul&cn=Kagemoth

Skills: Speed: Kenyan
Hps : 3k maybe ...
Absorbs : over 9000
Friends : none :(
Real ID : less than none ;(
WoW Exp : 4 alts + main + 360 days played(on Kagemoth alone)+ 2.1k highest rating
in arena with DK/Disc + fought every Boss ever created + been a healer
this entire time. I would say i can step out of the fire , probably
faster than u can say "DISPELL ME"

WoW History!

Well it goes back to when there was this guy called Nato still playing on this server.
He was a tauren and a warrior-man-beast and just so happened to be my irl friend.
He got me hooked to this game like a dealer selling a junkie a quick high.
This was easily achieved since I am a gulable animal indeed.
So I lvled up a priest cause his guild Cold Blooded needed a healer and when I dinged 60 , THIS IS WAY BACK BTW , I got all those shitty attunements etc out the way like in 4 days!!!
That was saying sumthing considering the lvl of gayness involved with those things.
So I immediatly made an App to CB ... 3 days passed and i had one response.
1 WEEK LATER "fuck this i'm of to Ravenous".
So i joined Ravenous Aaaaahhhh , good times.
BUT LIKE All GOOD TIMES THEY MUST COME TO AN END!

And so it did...

I moved country , HERP - worked and stuff - DERP , returned to the game but Loh And behold , I was now oBsolete.. MOTHER FUCKER! So i helped found the guild known as So What now known as Frak Off , and attuned Again ,got depressed , /wrist at Sunwell , Droped them and joined an Iron Edge. I heard the pie there was rather good so it all worked out.

Proffs: I can enchant a lot of stuff.
Alchemy: huh huh. I don't proc cause i got a disease of the mind.

Both of those puppies are maxed btw!

Reason for leaving last guild?

I actually have a tape of what happened on that evening. One sec..

Found eM! Here you go.
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9599/shiftnoob.jpg) (http://img340.imageshack.us/i/shiftnoob.jpg/)

(http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/3575/shiftnoob2.jpg) (http://img541.imageshack.us/i/shiftnoob2.jpg/)

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2857/shiftnoob3.jpg) (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/shiftnoob3.jpg/)

THERE YOU GO!!

Parting words!
Hmm. At sum point every muppet has to take the hand out of its ass and learn to walk on its
own two goddamn feet.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Nachmanun on August 10, 2010, 01:13:35 am: Quote from: kagemoth on August 10, 2010, 01:09:17 am
At sum point every muppet has to take the hand out of its ass and learn to walk on its
own two goddamn feet.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Destro on August 10, 2010, 01:14:59 am: My personal opinion is that Kage is an ass. Cant stand this guy, most annoying person ever. Shit player. Really.

Go die Kage.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: kawe on August 10, 2010, 01:15:06 am: I wonder if the irony was intentional...
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: kagemoth on August 10, 2010, 01:20:31 am: Truths are all i speak.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Lycanus on August 10, 2010, 01:22:00 am: lol
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Kilizion on August 10, 2010, 01:29:03 am: Lol at the eyes on that tree.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: delling on August 10, 2010, 01:42:21 am: The eyes really show the crazed, delusional inferiority thing that he's got going on.

But hey, at least it got you to do some more comics, Kage :)

More, MORE!
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Cojche on August 10, 2010, 02:43:44 am: Denied.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Cheerycoke on August 10, 2010, 03:03:22 am: Quote from: Cojche on August 10, 2010, 02:43:44 am
Denied.

I am a cockbag, and am temporarily banned.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Shiftey on August 10, 2010, 03:13:17 am: You know I removed you for your shitty comments at the end of the raid right? But I wont deny your in-raid bullshit didnt get me going, that was just too much in given circumstances.

Unless somebody nicer than me invited you back in, I'll do it :) but you'll have to admit you're not superior and if whole raid was thinking like you, we probably wouldnt even hear anything on TS :P
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Rash on August 10, 2010, 03:25:25 am: hah beautiful image of shiftey
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: kagemoth on August 10, 2010, 04:15:16 am: (http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6162/dispelolol.jpg) (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/dispelolol.jpg/)
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Cwave on August 10, 2010, 09:35:10 am: Im so confused right now....
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Thoramon on August 10, 2010, 10:07:24 am: Quote from: Cwave on August 10, 2010, 09:35:10 am
Im so confused right now....
me2 :)
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Cinn on August 10, 2010, 11:15:19 am: I am a cockbag and am temporarily banned.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Inphy on August 10, 2010, 11:41:47 am: Good comics are good! Though I hardly understand what's going on ;p
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Gaeios(Graxlos) on August 10, 2010, 11:51:47 am: We did invite Kagemoth because of his imba comics, we should demand more.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: delling on August 10, 2010, 12:15:22 pm: Enough, Cinn and Cheery. Go play on some Yahoo Chat or something.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: kagemoth on August 10, 2010, 12:17:53 pm: Quote from: Thoramon on August 10, 2010, 10:07:24 am
Quote from: Cwave on August 10, 2010, 09:35:10 am
Im so confused right now....
me2 :)

HALOO! :D

For any outsiders, that might be confuzed , it is a inside A-raid joke. Basically on
Halion 25 HC the meteor was coming down, and the Curse/magic debuff was put on Daekesh.
We ran through the boss (Which is what we do when meteor comes down) and i dispelled
daekesh because if we "normally" place the Voidzone behind us and since we are running
through the boss we wont be in the voidzone.

HOWEVER! Daekesh decided to run through the boss and i ended up dispelling him on
the other side meaning the raid ran into a voidzone. After wipe there was a tiny
bit of whining. At the end of the raid i said "Dont suck at dispells next time shiftey" and got kicked , I couldnt resist :-[
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Eetion on August 10, 2010, 12:19:20 pm: Quote from: Cinn on August 10, 2010, 11:15:19 am
I am a cockbag and am temporarily banned.
Quote from: Cheerycoke on August 10, 2010, 03:03:22 am
Quote from: Cojche on August 10, 2010, 02:43:44 am
Denied.

I am a cockbag, and am temporarily banned.

Delling wins :P
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Tresia on August 10, 2010, 01:26:29 pm: Welcome back bro ;)
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Daekesh on August 10, 2010, 02:12:31 pm: Quote from: kagemoth on August 10, 2010, 12:17:53 pm
After wipe there was a tiny bit of whining.

"Tiny"
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: kawe on August 10, 2010, 03:37:47 pm: For anyone who is wondering why simply wiping the raid once could somehow generate so much trouble, the reason is more the following, "no I didn't do anything wrong you're all wrong I'm superior and I won't learn I'll do the same thing again if the same thing happens again" response. There was more, but that's the jist of it. Pretty aggravating!
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: kagemoth on August 10, 2010, 04:14:21 pm: (http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8844/red13.jpg) (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/red13.jpg/)

It's the same as Yogg-saron , i don't want to make myself play worse to compensate
for the lack of others.

but i think all you will hear is sumthing like this

OMG I AM BETTER THAN U L2P NOOBS!!! HAHAHA! YEAH L2P! o/ (http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5749/trollfacep.jpg) (http://img514.imageshack.us/i/trollfacep.jpg/)
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: delling on August 10, 2010, 04:19:14 pm: The main thing to remember, Kage, is that you're playing with 24 other people.

You've heard that statistic, where some huge percentage of people think they're above average? The same applies in raids. Most people think they are better than the next person in the raid. You included -- you think you are better than most others, and you have the ego + stubbornness to boot.

Fact is, you MIGHT be better than others, but you must remember that a lot of people will always think you are wrong... because they think they are better than you (thus their opinions are more 'correct' than yours).

Tough break, but... that's playing as a group for you.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: delling on August 10, 2010, 04:19:42 pm: http://www.skepdic.com/selfdeception.html -- some statistics on people thinking they are above average.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Nachmanun on August 10, 2010, 04:21:12 pm: Bracing for Kagemoff ego shitstorm.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: kagemoth on August 10, 2010, 04:22:47 pm: That was actually a pretty good read.

Not finished yet though brb

Edit:Sum of these words are big :(
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Shiftey on August 10, 2010, 04:28:21 pm: This is not about 24 other people thinking they are better than Kagemoth, this is about 24 other people telling Kage he fucked up and Kage continually denying it and making statements about him being better and how raid would improve if we were all like him.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Cwave on August 10, 2010, 04:34:14 pm: Now it's starting to make sense!

1) Delling wasn't there
2) This leaves a powervoid
3) Popcorn*
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Devlin on August 10, 2010, 04:35:05 pm: (http://www.myspaceantics.com/images/myspace-graphics/funny-pictures/the-drama-llama.jpg)
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: kagemoth on August 10, 2010, 04:38:11 pm: Well i can't win an argument against "Those 24 others" by myelf cause "they" have already
decided that i messed up , Cwave. So , i decided to have fun with it after my initial
explanation was dismissed , AND LOOK WHAT I GOT :D
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: kawe on August 10, 2010, 04:45:02 pm: It's understandable to get defensive if you contribute to a wipe or screw up in some way, but to start acting like you're being victimised and becoming completely uncooperative is both counter-productive and tremendously aggravating.

Doing this as you were last night is not helpful to anyone, least of all yourself.
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5011/kagemoth.jpg)
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: kagemoth on August 10, 2010, 04:51:13 pm: Quote from: kagemoth on August 10, 2010, 04:38:11 pm
"they" have already decided that i messed up

Meaning whatever i say is considered null , even if i'm in the right. I better be careful what buttons i press in the future.
If a dispell can do this then O.M.G i wonder that MASS DISPELL will do...

Quote from: Kawe on August 10, 2010, 04:45:02 pm
if you contribute to a wipe

yes.

Quote from: Kawe on August 10, 2010, 04:45:02 pm
screw up in some way

no.

And the latter is the one you guys were aiming at.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Nachmanun on August 10, 2010, 04:54:57 pm: How do you contribute to a wipe without screwing up?
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Destro on August 10, 2010, 04:55:53 pm: The drama wasnt needed, however people were getting tired of silly mistakes as finally we had the healers online and it definately felt like a kill was possible, yet we spent 60% of attempts wiping due to peoples inability to learn from their mistakes.

Kage you know id defend you if you were right, and i have kicked up shit before when i thought you were being treated unfairly, but you were definately wrong on this one, although it was hilarious to hear you say the things you did, i was just laughing because i knew that you actually believed the things that you were saying.

You said you compensate for others lack of skill, but look at it from this perspective... you ASSUMED kesh had ran the other way, which means you ASSUMED he was going to do the right thing, and you also stated that you ALWAYS do it that way, and will continue to ALWAYS do it that way, and that everyone else should get better and be like you, however as i wrote in caps above, you ASSUMED that kesh had ran out, which means you didnt look to see if he had, you placed faith and trust in his abilities, which means you werent compensating for his lack of skill (as you would put it) at all.

If you WERE compensating for others inability, you would have span your camera around and checked to see if he had moved out, as then you are leaving no doubt as to whether its safe or not, and im not being big headed, but i saw kesh with the bomb and was thinking oh shit before hand, as he had "bomb on me" in normal chat above his head. I remember thinking oh shit he is gonna get alot of stacks, then he blinked and i thought, ok well it wont be so bad, then BOOM raid wipe.

But we can sit here all day and argue over who is correct and who isnt, but if you can see my examples from an unbiased view, you would see why 24 people were raging and how the things you said just made it worse.

Your not completely at fault though, Kesh could have spoke up on vent and said he had fucked up and not to dispel him, instead of "hoping to god" as he said he was thinking.

Cant mages dispel themselves anyway? if classes can dispel themselves and its not on a cooldown (incase it resists) we should just leave it to them.

OR we could raid like we are supposed to in which everybody has a mic and uses it which is supposed to be a guild requirement, and when they are in position they just ask for a dispel.

oh and...

Your an ass kage, i cant stand you, your the most annoying person ever. Shit player. Really.

Go die Kage.

/trollface
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: kagemoth on August 10, 2010, 04:58:51 pm: Ok perry wins. I lose Sorry guys. I messed up.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Sertth on August 10, 2010, 05:03:20 pm: Quote from: delling on August 10, 2010, 04:19:14 pm
...You've heard that statistic, where some huge percentage of people think they're above average?....
Dunning-Kruger effect
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Nachmanun on August 10, 2010, 05:04:12 pm: Quote from: kagemoth on August 10, 2010, 04:58:51 pm
Ok perry wins. I lose Sorry guys. I messed up.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Cwave on August 10, 2010, 05:07:37 pm: Quote from: Nachmanun on August 10, 2010, 04:54:57 pm
How do you contribute to a wipe without screwing up?

If you are they only one doing it "right" and the other 24 doing it wrong :)
You didnt do anything wrong but because 24 others were wrong, you wiped them.\

RIGHT KAGE? :P
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Skymunken on August 10, 2010, 05:10:00 pm: What did Cheery and Cinn write?
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Intrinsic on August 10, 2010, 05:12:46 pm: Useless tripe.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Daekesh on August 10, 2010, 06:12:18 pm: Quote from: Ðestro on August 10, 2010, 04:55:53 pm
Cant mages dispel themselves anyway? if classes can dispel themselves and its not on a cooldown (incase it resists) we should just leave it to them.

I can, and do, dispel myself every time! I wasn't expecting anyone to dispel me at all. I had run early on the meteor and blinked through the boss with the expectation to dispel myself when I reached the far edge. I didn't quite make it that far, however.

Ignoring where I actually was, if people are dispelling after a certain time period (say 4 seconds,) then if anyone is even slightly late moving, we'll get bombs in the raid because the dispeller isn't paying attention. Remind me, what was wiping us in the down phase most of the time?
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Skymunken on August 10, 2010, 06:25:49 pm: Quote from: TTaM on August 10, 2010, 06:12:18 pm
Remind me, what was wiping us in the down phase most of the time?

Oh Oh! I know! I know! It was people getting dispelled/dispelling themselves to close/in the raid!
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Intrinsic on August 10, 2010, 06:47:23 pm: *Intrinsic gives Skymunken a cookie*
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Haxzxz on August 10, 2010, 07:03:47 pm: Maybe most ppl in the raid blame kage for the wipe but I don't think he is the main reason we wiped. If he had waited and dispelled later we would most likely not have wiped but then he would, as he is saying, have overcompensated in his part of the tactic to allow others to not follow the tactic. If kesh had moved according the tactic then what kage did would have been correct so when kage followed the tactic he failed because another person failed to follow the tactic therefore I think the main reason for the wipe is not the person doing as he should but the person not following the strat.

The dispeller should ofc never dispel a person with the debuff in the raid but the person with the debuff should also move according the tactic so kage might have been wrong dispelling but the person moving incorrectly was the main reason we got the wipe and you can’t really blame kage just because he had the ability to compensate for others failing to follow the tactic imo.

But then again a superior player would adapt to what is going on in the raid and most likely compensate for when ppl change minor stuff in the strat. Not to say that kage should have seen kesh moving in a wrong direction because imo that is not really his job but it would ofc be nice to avoid a wipe when stuff like this happens.

Another way to see it is that Delling normally doesn’t want us to change anything to the strat at all without announcing it so that would further justify kage when he was simply following the tactic.

I also don’t see a reason for blaming anyone for the wipe as it was a combination of unlucky events and it have only happened once like this with a person moving through the boss etc so I don’t see the point in using a lot of energy in rng events like this.

Shit text narrowed down: I don't blame kage for the wipe :)
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Nachmanun on August 10, 2010, 07:10:31 pm: From my point of view it seems like it's gone down like this.

Kage dispels Daekesh that was indeed at the wrong place

Raid tells Kage to ensure that he watches where the player he is dispelling is at next time so the situation can be saved

Kage refusing to admit that what he did wasn't perfect and throw a hissy african fit

Raid gets hissy and fits back.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Intrinsic on August 10, 2010, 07:13:41 pm: Pretty good summation.

Also, ENTER IS THERE FOR A REASON HAXZX.

Fucking textwalls :(
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Devlin on August 10, 2010, 07:16:12 pm: I wish we brought up this kind of drama for every wipe. There wouldn't be enough time to read all the bitching and whining!

It's understandable that people get frustrated during late-summer raiding with barely no people, but we had the best raid composition in many weeks yesterday and made some nice progress. This whining and moaning is just a brain-drain and serves no purpose other than just that: to let off some whine-steam.

Seriously, just drop it and go at it again.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Vorte on August 10, 2010, 07:19:25 pm: Throw more fits at kage, more comics! We must stimulate the genious.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Daekesh on August 10, 2010, 07:55:41 pm: Quote from: Haxzxz on August 10, 2010, 07:03:47 pm
If kesh had moved according the tactic then what kage did would have been correct

No matter what the other person does, no matter where they move, dispelling them without knowing where they are is NEVER the right thing to do. The fact that this hadn't caused problems before is probably more down to luck than anything else.

This is what Kage, and seemingly you, fail to realise.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Yathezai on August 10, 2010, 08:54:34 pm: Quote from: Devlin on August 10, 2010, 07:16:12 pm
Seriously, just drop it and go at it again.

Best comment in the thread. Simple but oh so true.

You know, today when the elevator in Ring of Valor came up, I rushed in the opponent ATC (Prot Warrior, Hunter, Holy Pala) to do a fear. Before I reached them I got chain stunned, silenced and then died 5 seconds later whilst doing 0 healing.

What you guys are discussing isn't even close to my level of fail and stupidness that game. Shit happens, learn from it, don't fuckup again. That counts for pretty much everything in life...

Now excuse me, I have to get back to my second book. You may remember my first one.

(http://budgallant.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/dr-phil_more-advice-that-i-pulled-out-of-my-ass.jpg?w=220&h=220)
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: kawe on August 10, 2010, 08:59:55 pm: It's easy to say 'oh just drop it', but that's no use if just dropping it is likely to result in the same wipe being made again and again when it could be avoided.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: Yathezai on August 10, 2010, 09:06:23 pm: Well you can drop it during the raid and you can drop it after a 4-page thread. That's quite a difference and I really doubt anyone will make this mistake again. I mean, what more is there left to say now? :)
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: kawe on August 10, 2010, 09:11:02 pm: Yeah, was talking about mid-raid.
Title: Re: Kagemoff - Priest A - Raid app
Post by: delling on August 10, 2010, 10:39:17 pm: Yes, the dispeller should be watching their target. That's what I do. That's why I like having a shape on the cursed target, so that I can see them clearly.

I'm back to raiding full time with this reset. Let's get some Halion pie tomorrow -- or on Monday!