Iron Edge
Iron Edge => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lycanus on May 17, 2015, 12:38:53 pm
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Hey guys,
First off me and Petar would like to hugely thank you for boosting us for those that did, that other day in heroic brf, Petar got a crap load of gear but unfortunately no weapons, so we are organising a brf normal clear, so if anyone needs brf normal for an alt or just wants to come along and helps us power through it .
We are organising the raid for 7pm game time on tuesday! so far it will be me, Supre and Footmunch just leave a message if ur interested. will also ask in guild at the time ! :)
hope to see some of u there ^^!
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If I'm online I'd like to join :D
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I was just told that Footmunch pulled a nasty stunt on us in MoP, so I'm not sure if he's part of "the crew" and gets to be boosted by us just yet.
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he didnt pull a nasty stunt, grax has a personal issue with him i was there i remember and i think they both pulled a huge misunderstanding at the time. they both seem to have misunderstood what was happening and it blew way out of proportion.
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besides that being a whole nother issue, im not doign a boost here im askign if anyone needs to do normal brf because i personally am organising a group for tuesday and anyone is welcome :)
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I wasn't jumping to any sort of conclusion, but I'd like to hear the other side of the story.
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ur always welcome on our call on skype and u can ask him urself personally ;)
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I'll come along if I'm awake
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Personal issue my ass. The personal issue was his behaviour towards the raid. The misunderstanding was that he signed up to the raid. And when after not understanding why he didn't turn up we found out he had migrated... her never made a post about itm
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I never officialy joined the raid at the time. I was seeing how the raid was going to feel after having discussed this with doomslay at the time. After i didnt feel the game, I quit and moved to a different country, which i told doomslay at the time.
There was no reason to make a quiting post since i was not part of the raid after 2 raids of trying out if this would work out for me. Also it would have not been fair to the raid to join and stay for 1month and then disappear for the move indefinetly.
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so like , can we get this back onto topic. so saf and valk so far would like to join if they are available thats great :) remember guys all welcome as long as we can kill stuff!!thyink pugs run normal with what like 650ish ilvl ? time to gear them alts people!
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Lycanus when you leave topic by claiming I am full of shit you should expect to be derailed.
I'll share how I experienced it:
You signed up for the raid in two posts:
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=7049.msg128922#msg128922
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=7067.msg129002#msg129002
The latest signup was on october 11th
Suggested by Aidan so if he knew you could only join for a month that was pretty dickish.
Anyone who signed up was considered equally part of the raid.
Then on the 16th pluug tells us that you are playing on kazzak.
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=7067.msg129138#msg129138
And then we have this talk on IRC...
13:52 < pluug> alo footmunch
13:52 < Footmunch> ur sisters wedding?
13:52 < pluug> why you WTS B-raid
13:52 < Zyvox> lol
13:52 < Surim> aye footie
13:52 < Footmunch> because aids breeds in numbers
13:52 < Footmunch> didnt u know
13:52 < Footmunch> na just didnt want to put up with baddies
13:53 < Footmunch> half their raiding pool is people that were too shit for araid
13:53 < Footmunch> or left after getting shouted at constantly
13:54 < pluug> [13:52] <Footmunch> because aids breeds in numbers <--- made me lol
13:54 < Footmunch> u know it
13:54 < Footmunch> hows sylvanas
13:54 < pluug> its good
13:55 < pluug> got problems with world bosses, but thats about it
13:55 < pluug> a lot of alliance
13:55 < Footmunch> hahha
13:55 < Footmunch> there was a fat zerg for sha this morning
13:55 < Footmunch> 5 raids were fighting over who tags him first
13:55 < Footmunch> was rather epic
13:56 < pluug> yea its nice to see so many ppl on 1 place for a change
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14:17 < KendoWork> zzz
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14:36 <@Graxlos> Footmunch: how hard is it telling us that
14:36 <@Graxlos> instead of just disappearing
14:38 < Footmunch> i did
14:38 <@Graxlos> who did you tell?
14:38 < Footmunch> u just dont have any communication between the officers clearly
14:38 < Footmunch> joseph
14:38 < Footmunch> told him on friday alrdy
14:38 <@Graxlos> that you were migrating?
14:38 < Footmunch> that i might leave and help some firends
14:38 <@Graxlos> are you sure he heard?
14:39 <@Graxlos> I asked him yesterday he didnt know anything
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14:51 < Footmunch> i did tell him
14:51 < Footmunch> i think i even mentioned it at the end of the first raid
14:58 <+^Irony^> [TS] * Joins: Pluug
14:58 <@Graxlos> in /ra?
14:59 <@Graxlos> Would have been nice with a forum post so we actually saw it
15:02 <@Graxlos> only way to discover it is to see that you are missing from the roster
15:04 < Footmunch> in wisper
15:04 < Footmunch> i was talking to him about the raid
15:05 < Footmunch> during/after the raid
15:05 < Footmunch> the current state of the raid
15:05 < Footmunch> and with 5 stand bys me leaving wasnt an issue
15:05 <@Graxlos> did you say migrating was a certainty or something you might do?
15:06 <@Graxlos> Guess I need to flame doom
15:07 < Footmunch> highly likly since i didnt enjoy the raid with the fails going and and stuffz
15:07 < Footmunch> 25m isnt the way to go anymore on DM
15:07 <@Graxlos> well if you said you would migrate thats one thing.
15:07 < Footmunch> not enough capable players
15:07 <@Graxlos> saying that you "might" is a different
15:08 <@Graxlos> then he would be expecting confirmation instead of telling us that you had left.
Where you say that we have shit communication because Doomslay should have told us that you had told him that you were considering migrating.
But you never posted or told him or any of us that you actually migrated.
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i blame rash for this whole derailment.
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(https://eiinsider.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/derailed-train.jpg)
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yes i did sign up because thats how you got a raid spot back then and joseph at the time knew that it was to test out the raid. I did migrate to kazzak and quit the game 1 week after because i got the job overseas and moved from africa to germany, hence the 6month break after.
I didnt break the raid by not raiding with you so i dont see what the big drama is. I went on 2 raids with you it didnt work out. I told an officer. He prob didnt rely everything and now people are making drama out of nothing.
If i was a raider at the time and a full time member i could understand the annoyance from your side, but blowing this out of porportion over 2 attended raids, when from start i told the officers its just to see if i will enjoy it, its ridiculous.
Does every "trial" that joins the raid and decides to leave, for what ever reason get this kinda hostility from you?
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Yes. Every trial that leaves the raid and guild without a single word on the forum gets hostility from me.
You claim that you informed Joseph, he claims that he had no clue you had migrated.
You still don't see why its annoying that you just left the guild without saying a word, that shows me that you had no loyalty or concern for the guild and raid.
If you had just admitted to me once "yeah I should probably have made a post on the forum". Then I wouldn't have an issue.
But you just dont see how I can value communication and loyalty.
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I'm just dropping in to say footmunch, the question bout hostility, hell yes if a trial leaves after raiding no communication is be angry too. We've had people make excuses like want high end progression they leave get boosted for a month then fail there trial there and realise they weren't that good and went back to there own level.
I agree with gaieos is a shitty mentality. And I'll argue that blue in the face.
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Y that shows me that you had no loyalty or concern for the guild and raid.
That can not be the case as Footmunch has been a long standing core of the former IE, even after the ''fall'' of the A team he stayed on for quite a bit. I don't think I ever remember any kind of drama involving him. So it is hard to see why this is such a issue now.
Could he have done things better? maybe, did he tell a officer that he was leaving? most likely. Should we move on and give him another chance at the very least for his past achievements here? Id like to think so, if not for him then for me personally.
In the end its not like he took all the loot after months of raiding and then went off to join the competition.
Once again, it could have been done better, but this whole thing is being made into something that it rly does not feel like it is.
To sum it up, my vote will always be that he joins Iron Edge again, but the management can do what it thinks is best in any case.
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i too believe this has been blown way out of proportion. BUT seeing as ALL SIDES have given there arguements. THIS IS NOT A RECRUITMENT APP. and as grax has defended himself. and raf has too. im putting this back on topic..
SOOOOOO anymore alts (or mains who want to carry)want to come to BRF normal tomorrow. remember to log on :) hope to see some of u there. :zerg
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I remember this being dealt with at the time, I'm not really anything to do with the WoW guild anymore but I recall in our conversation Foot told me he was thinking about migrating to help some friends. Now if i'd have known he meant "i'm migrating before next raid" i've had told him to make a post, but i'm sure foots intentions weren't to cause any issue, neither was that my plan.
I guess i could have read more into it and took it seriously, but I'd have assumed foot would have made a post due to his understanding of the way IE works and the time he's been in the guild, I told rash weekly i'd be jumping off a bridge if i didn't get out of the raid towards the end, yet here I am! :)
Sorry for misunderstanding our conversation Footmunch, i'm sure he's sorry about not making a post and it being a misunderstanding.
PS. I miss you all :)
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You hit the nail on the head. Footmunch was core of "the former IE".
He did not consider the current IE to be the real IE and then he had no respect or loyalty to the rest of IE.
I have been in the IE that was here since i joined in 2005. You guys were in apparently another hardcore IE that was there for a shorter time. Which apparently died when the a-raid stopped raiding.
I was very disappointed when a guild officer and long time member showed so little respect for the raid and thus he gained a lot of hostility.
I am not blocking footmunch joining again, but I asked Rash if he remembered that it happened because I thought it was relevant when evaluating if we want him back.
We have forgiven a lot of worse shit over time. I just want to be sure that if Footmunch joins again we can trust that he will communicate properly and that he will not just consider our raid a bunch of baddies and thus not be obliged to inform us if he quits again.
EDIT: Hi Broseph
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We have forgiven a lot of worse shit over time. I just want to be sure that if Footmunch joins again we can trust that he will communicate properly and that he will not just consider our raid a bunch of baddies and thus not be obliged to inform us if he quits again.
But we all are a bunch of baddies!
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dont forget gents any allts or mains that want to come , were doing it tonight :) brf normal gogo !"
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Can I maybe join?
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ofcourse :)