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(http://i.imgur.com/JkulpGI.jpg)
Doom has come for the Alliance and the Horde as a great burning shadow falls over Azeroth. In this dire new chapter of the Warcraft saga for the mighty clan Iron Edge, the demonic Burning Legion has returned, seeking to call forth their fallen leader — the dark titan Sargeras, Ravager of Worlds. As destruction rains across Azeroth, its heroes must seek salvation among the ruins of the Broken Isles, doomed center of ancient night elf civilization and birthplace of myths dating back to the world’s creation. In the face of hopeless odds, they must learn to master mighty Artifacts — legendary weapons that hold the potential to bring down the corrupted armies of the Legion — and strike an infernal pact with the dread Demon Hunters of the Illidari ... accursed followers of the infamous Illidan the Betrayer. Illidan the Betrayer never forgave Cwave the day that he took his spiked shield as a trophy to prance around with in Warsong Gulch. He knew this would come back to him one day and now, the moment had come.
(http://www.loregy.com/wp-content/uploads/sargeras.jpg)
Betrayal….
Deadly Betrayal….
In his own Order Hall….
"I always knew you were not to be trusted”
Mortally wounded in the knee, Cwave thought back of his glory days as a keystone player in the healing pillar of what was then a SRG PPH raiding guild. Mostly made up out of big mouthed Serbians and an occasional British islander, the guild’s main successes came from /iehealers and in particular, the shaman. “Looks before stats”, a motto they lived by and that had carried him far, from letting everyone else farm the wipper root tubers to chain healing like a robot @ M’uru.
He longed for the unique looks and his quest for relevance had made him come here. The artifact he recently acquired needed just that last little stat boost. August Celestial Xuen had safeguarded it until someone worthy could take up the weapon in a righteous cause once again. Aman'Thul the Highfather, leader of the titan Pantheon, entrusted his greatest servant, Highkeeper Ra, with this artifact, which could channel the fury of the storms. Ra used it to bestow life on the titan-forged mogu race, and he wielded it in battle against the Black Empire for years beyond counting.
(http://orig00.deviantart.net/b303/f/2016/080/4/0/highkeeper_ra_by_hipnosworld-d9vwjun.jpg)
This Artifact, it would be his undoing…..
As he asked around in guild chat for tips and tricks and reach level 110, three members of his clan Iron-Edge offered to help him alter his artifact so it would become “l33t”. He didn’t speak this version of gaming tongue anymore and to be frank, never really did. Cwave forged an agreement with these 3 goons as they requested gold and supplies for their services. Looking back, he should have never met with them.
“Cwave, first batch of the /ieshaman, you were a greedy fool to come here. Hand over the artifact and you might get a chance to live out the rest of your pitiful existence as our man-servant”.
A firm warstomp and a loud snort from the Tauren shaman gave them their answer.
Fel dripped from their armor and oozed from every orifice. The leader of the 3 stepped forward, charging his weapon. As he moved forward towards Cwave, he stood onto his Red Dragonscale Protector, getting all sorts of dirt on it, which was really a dick move.
The Tauren stood defiantly and spoke:
"The Gods will punish you for this treason and I'll see to it that you………"
Before he could finish his sentence, their leader struck down at the Shaman and shouted:
"There is only one god ... and his name is Sargeras."
(https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/wow.gamepedia.com/thumb/e/eb/WindseerTarus.jpg/300px-WindseerTarus.jpg?version=74a4741645c49ce1547aadc1bbab0b55)
Cwave now lay on the ground, cut into pieces.
With his last breath, he channeled a final spell, porting in a random group of 10 guildies onto the scene. He had always suspected that among those guildies, certain gods and demi-gods hid. The group would require their special powers to sort out who did this and find him some justice, in this life or the next.
As they ported in, Cwave shat himself and died. The 3 traitors changed back into their Iron-Edge raider disguises. A group of 13 IE-raiders stood around his dead body as the stones in the order hall echoed:
(http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/501569-shaman-order-hall.jpg)
“Avenge me!”
Cwave the Shaman has been found dead
The game will be hosted by me(Cwave). I shall be quick, fair and just!
1. Voting will be done in the voting thread. Votes will be cast using the format ##Vote: playername. Any votes cast without this format may not be counted.
2. Inactivity will result in a modkill. Failing to vote, or failing to turn in your night action if you have one, will result in a modkill. If you get mod-killed, you will be banned from playing at least one future game of Iron Edge mafia. Sounds harsh, but inactivity really ruins the game. If something special comes up, PM the host(s) and i'll have a look.
3. The voting rules have changed. If no player reaches majority vote, the player with the most votes will get lynched. If two players have equal amount of votes, the player who got there first will be lynched. This does not apply to a 1vs1 situation.
4. Play to win. Any meta-game strategies or intentionally losing because you think your team is stupid is forbidden. Getting yourself modkilled for your advantage is banned. Play the game, win the game. Don't ruin the fun.
5. I will not send you a PM asking for your night action. It's your own responsibility to make sure you send the PM in time, if you don't, you get modkilled and banned for the next game.
6. All action PMs must be sent to all hosts. This means that if there are more than one host, you're always sending two messages, or a single message to two people (Just seperate them with a comma in the "To:" field).
7. Posting any screenshot, pm or converstation you may or may not have with a host of the game, faked or real, will result in an instant modkill. Play the game, not the mods.
8. Show respect. Some roles in this game have the ability to kill you out of the blue. Even if a mod doesn't confirm the death, consider yourself dead. In addition, attempting to use an ability like day-time vigilante kill, when you don't have one available, will get you modkilled.
9. Don't post after you're dead. Don't talk about the game after you're dead. Don't influence other players after you're dead. We intend to open a private forum where the dead can discuss the game in peace without ruining the experience for anyone else.
10. Don't be a dick
[dik] noun,
Slang.
Penis. .
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Voting rules:
1. Voting is done in a voting thread(http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=8406.0). Do not PM me your vote.
2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Cwave. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance.
3. No conditional voting.
4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses). This does not apply to a 1vs1 situation.
6. Voting is mandatory. You may (NOT) abstain.
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Cycle will follow a 24hour/12hour Day/Night Cycle. The switch from day to night will happen at @ 11:00 GMT +1 or 23:00 GMT+1 (This means 10:00/22:00 Great Brittan, 11:00/23:00 Holland/Scandinavia)
This is a semi open setup. Setup will be one of these 3 setups described below:
A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 1 Town Vigilante, 7 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 1 Town Bodyguard, 7 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
C) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 1 Named Town, 7 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
DO NOT EDIT YOUR POSTS. IT WILL RESULT IN A MODKILL.
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Player List
1 ) Hugman the Town Cop has been killed. [NIGHT2]
2 ) Archz the Vanilla Townie has been killed [DAY5]
3 ) Mouseh the Vanilla Townie last to survive into a 1vs1 showdown with Vorte
4 ) Inexcitus aka Malfurion Stormrage and the town doctor has been killed[NIGHT4]
5 ) Yoica the Vanilla Townie has been killed [NIGHT5]
6 ) Gaeios the Vanilla Townie has been killed [NIGHT3]
7 ) Rashkebab the Mafia Roleblocker has been lynched[DAY2]
8 )Grishnag the Named Town has been modkilled[DAY2]
9 ) Grilldyret the Vanilla Townie has been killed [NIGHT4]
10 ) Tyler the Vanilla Townie has been killed [NIGHT1]
11 ) Phoenixflame,Xavius first of the Satyrs and Mafia Godfather has been lynched[DAY3]
12 ) Vorte aka Nythendra , Guardian of Shaladrassil and the Mafia Goon wins
13 ) Shimmar the Vanilla Townie has been lynched/modkilled [DAY 1]
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13 sign-ups atm, sign up will close at midnight.
Game starts Sunday 16-10-2016 @ 11:00 GMT+1
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Game starts in ~25 hours. Can everyone who signed up give a /confirm post, thanks!
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Can you change your vote as you please until nightfall?
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Can you change your vote as you please until nightfall?
Yes, you can change your vote until nightfall.
However, if you wish to change your vote, you have to post ##Unvote: Playername.
After this, you can ##Vote: NewPlayername.
You can do this is a single post or you can unvote in one post and vote later in a new one. Failure to unvote means the first vote stands @ nightfall.
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Will send out roles tonight before midnight.
I'll use https://www.random.org/lists/ to randomize and go with that.
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Roles have been send out, thread is closed till 11:00 GMT+1 tomorrow morning.
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(http://i.imgur.com/JkulpGI.jpg)
Doom has come for the Alliance and the Horde as a great burning shadow falls over Azeroth. In this dire new chapter of the Warcraft saga for the mighty clan Iron Edge, the demonic Burning Legion has returned, seeking to call forth their fallen leader — the dark titan Sargeras, Ravager of Worlds. As destruction rains across Azeroth, its heroes must seek salvation among the ruins of the Broken Isles, doomed center of ancient night elf civilization and birthplace of myths dating back to the world’s creation. In the face of hopeless odds, they must learn to master mighty Artifacts — legendary weapons that hold the potential to bring down the corrupted armies of the Legion — and strike an infernal pact with the dread Demon Hunters of the Illidari ... accursed followers of the infamous Illidan the Betrayer. Illidan the Betrayer never forgave Cwave the day that he took his spiked shield as a trophy to prance around with in Warsong Gulch. He knew this would come back to him one day and now, the moment had come.
(http://www.loregy.com/wp-content/uploads/sargeras.jpg)
Betrayal….
Deadly Betrayal….
In his own Order Hall….
"I always knew you were not to be trusted”
Mortally wounded in the knee, Cwave thought back of his glory days as a keystone player in the healing pillar of what was then a SRG PPH raiding guild. Mostly made up out of big mouthed Serbians and an occasional British islander, the guild’s main successes came from /iehealers and in particular, the shaman. “Looks before stats”, a motto they lived by and that had carried him far, from letting everyone else farm the wipper root tubers to chain healing like a robot @ M’uru.
He longed for the unique looks and his quest for relevance had made him come here. The artifact he recently acquired needed just that last little stat boost. August Celestial Xuen had safeguarded it until someone worthy could take up the weapon in a righteous cause once again. Aman'Thul the Highfather, leader of the titan Pantheon, entrusted his greatest servant, Highkeeper Ra, with this artifact, which could channel the fury of the storms. Ra used it to bestow life on the titan-forged mogu race, and he wielded it in battle against the Black Empire for years beyond counting.
(http://orig00.deviantart.net/b303/f/2016/080/4/0/highkeeper_ra_by_hipnosworld-d9vwjun.jpg)
This Artifact, it would be his undoing…..
As he asked around in guild chat for tips and tricks and reach level 110, three members of his clan Iron-Edge offered to help him alter his artifact so it would become “l33t”. He didn’t speak this version of gaming tongue anymore and to be frank, never really did. Cwave forged an agreement with these 3 goons as they requested gold and supplies for their services. Looking back, he should have never met with them.
“Cwave, first batch of the /ieshaman, you were a greedy fool to come here. Hand over the artifact and you might get a chance to live out the rest of your pitiful existence as our man-servant”.
A firm warstomp and a loud snort from the Tauren shaman gave them their answer.
Fel dripped from their armor and oozed from every orifice. The leader of the 3 stepped forward, charging his weapon. As he moved forward towards Cwave, he stood onto his Red Dragonscale Protector, getting all sorts of dirt on it, which was really a dick move.
The Tauren stood defiantly and spoke:
"The Gods will punish you for this treason and I'll see to it that you………"
Before he could finish his sentence, their leader struck down at the Shaman and shouted:
"There is only one god ... and his name is Sargeras."
(https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/wow.gamepedia.com/thumb/e/eb/WindseerTarus.jpg/300px-WindseerTarus.jpg?version=74a4741645c49ce1547aadc1bbab0b55)
Cwave now lay on the ground, cut into pieces.
With his last breath, he channeled a final spell, porting in a random group of 10 guildies onto the scene. He had always suspected that among those guildies, certain gods and demi-gods hid. The group would require their special powers to sort out who did this and find him some justice, in this life or the next.
As they ported in, Cwave shat himself and died. The 3 traitors changed back into their Iron-Edge raider disguises. A group of 13 IE-raiders stood around his dead body as the stones in the order hall echoed:
(http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/501569-shaman-order-hall.jpg)
“Avenge me!”
Cwave the Shaman has been found dead
It's now day 1.
Night will begin @ 11:00 GMT+1 tomorrow morning. Place your votes before then in the voting thread.
Playerlist
- Archz
- Gaeios
- Grilldyret
- Grishnag
- Hugman
- Inexcitus
- Mouseh
- Phoenixflame
- Rashkebab
- Shimmar
- Tyler
- Vorte
- Yoica
DO NOT EDIT YOUR POSTS. IT WILL RESULT IN A MODKILL.
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Good morning fellow Azerothians
I am Gaeios the townie and as usual I think it's time we randomly start pointing fingers and decide who to lynch. It is likely that we kill someone innocent. But then we atleast have something to go on.
I think Archz is a filthy follower of sargeras
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Poor Cwave, he deserved a better fate than this. :/
And to think that we had traitors among our ranks all this time.. plotting, backstabbing, sabotaging our efforts against the Legion, makes me sick! Message for you:
(http://e.lvme.me/lircold.jpg)
Cwave: you'll have your revenge, that I promise.
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CWAVE NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
We shall find the traitorous bastards who killed my fellow shaman brother! THE LEGION SHALL FALL!
I am Hugman the townie, and as I have done every Mafia game I have been in, and found to be sucessful, I will randomly pick someone and go after them mercilessly until they either are so vocal i am convinced they are town, or they fail to put in enough sincere posts, hopefully I get them hanged. At this point we really don't have any data to go on, so if I was wrong and they were town, we at least then have posts and counter posts to analyse to start flushing out the traitors among us.
Gaieos seems to have pointed at Arches, who is a fine a target as any, however, I will start with someone who I feel, unless provoked, may remain too quiet for my liking.
I think that shifty looking Vorte is a follower of the false god Sargeras! What kinda name is Vorte anyway! Doesn't sound like a townie name to me! /Rabblerabblerabble.
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Aw man, Cwave. I guess he was not prepared.
Anyone who link Galaxy Quest is suspicious! Explain yourself Hugman.
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Aw man, Cwave. I guess he was not prepared.
Anyone who link Galaxy Quest is suspicious! Explain yourself Hugman.
Pfft!
Anyone who's seen the movie knows it is an epic scene by the legendary Alan Rickman, filled with emotion and relsoving to avenge a fallen comarade!
Why would you even feel the need to question this Yoica ? :-\
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Poor Cwave, he finally afk's from life.
Good morning fellow Azerothians
I am Gaeios the townie and as usual I think it's time we randomly start pointing fingers and decide who to lynch. It is likely that we kill someone innocent. But then we atleast have something to go on.
I think Archz is a filthy follower of sargeras
I think claiming you are a towny right out of the gate is very suspicious
I however do not know anything about Archz so, yeah.
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Anyone who's seen the movie knows it is an epic scene by the legendary Alan Rickman, filled with emotion and relsoving to avenge a fallen comarade!
Why would you even feel the need to question this Yoica ? :-\
I always question bad taste ;)
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Anyone who's seen the movie knows it is an epic scene by the legendary Alan Rickman, filled with emotion and relsoving to avenge a fallen comarade!
Why would you even feel the need to question this Yoica ? :-\
I always question bad taste ;)
/rolls eyes.
We get off topic. I have noticed Rashkebab has been lurking on this thread, yet not posting for a couple of hours now.
Care to explain yourself Rash?
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We get off topic. I have noticed Rashkebab has been lurking on this thread, yet not posting for a couple of hours now.
Care to explain yourself Rash?
Well as you might understand it is a lot easier to read a thread on your phone than it is to post from your phone with a shitty phone keyboard.
This furious F5'ing and fingerpointing you're doing is beyond suspicious Hugman, I think you need to calm down before someone innocent gets hurt. That being said, I'm perfectly comfortable with lynching Archz, Demon Hunters are all the same. Not to mention that he has a clear motive considering the nature of the crime.
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I will say right now that I will not be posting more than a few times pr day to avoid marital and work problems.
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I read that martial problems.
But in this situation they are probably interchangable.
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I think Archz is a filthy follower of sargeras
How very Eredarian of you to just jump me before I get the chance to post! Are those horns, or are you just glad to see me?
I am also just a lowly townie, but I need no other power than my voice! I played a lot of mafia/spy games with Vorte when we had Grilly's bachelor party, I feel that if he was mafia he would have been quick to get the ball rolling on someone else. Graxlos on the other hand was rather quick, although the first rule of Mafia is apparently that I should hang. Nevertheless, I feel that since Azeroth hangs in the balance, we should set aside that rule and try to go for some legion scum instead!
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Ah, the first day, random accusations flying all over the place. Feels good to be playing again!
Sorry to disappoint you Hug, but I'm but a humble townie/guildmate of Cwave's. (Have to give some massive kudos on the writing btw, well done!)
Why are you so quick to jump on the lynch-archz bandwagon, Rash? I thought you liked norwegians..
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Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. I am the innkeeper's son... you know, the pleb that dwells in the bedroom upstairs doing god knows what.. anyway the life of a townie as many of you know, can be rather boring, and I really have nothing better to do than watch the world go by through the bedroom window. You may not know it, but i've seen some of the things people in this town do. Perhaps they are bad things? You know who you are... but what can I do? Who do I tell? that IS the question...
And to think that we had traitors among our ranks all this time.. plotting, backstabbing, sabotaging our efforts against the Legion, makes me sick!
You seem to have alot of in-sight into the actions of these traitors, Mouseh. for a mere townie, I can't help but find that suspicious. Consider a watchful eye set upon you...
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It is quite worrying how being gone for a day results in a new underground legion terror cell showing its nasty face in our midst. Although I doubt a simple townie like me could have prevented this disgusting attack on our iron edge values.
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Why are you so quick to jump on the lynch-archz bandwagon, Rash? I thought you liked norwegians..
I have strictly work-related relationships with the Norwegians.
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You seem to have alot of in-sight into the actions of these traitors, Mouseh. for a mere townie, I can't help but find that suspicious. Consider a watchful eye set upon you...
So our fellow raider was killed, by legion spies, who are in fact still hidden among us, and you find suspicious me saying that they were plotting and sabotaging? What do you think they were doing? Why were they sent? What I said its common sense. Its almost looks like you are trying hard to get someone else suspicious. :-\
Remember mafia/legion spies know well who they can accuse. I got my eyes on you (and on anyone else who were random finger-pointing).
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I glance at our fallen comrade Cwave, he was a loyal and valiant Shaman. Rest in peace old friend, for you will be avenged.
So quickly has the legion managed to sew seeds of doubt and suspicion within our ranks, accusations flying from left to right, defenses surfacing just as swiftly, threatening the very fabric of Iron Edge.
I note Gaeios, Hugman and Shimmar are quick to declare themselves Townies, prior to any such accusation, instead targeting their comrades Archz, Vorte, Mouseh and Rashkebab. Archz and Vorte, quick to defend such accusations and echo the cry of Townie, Rashkebab parrying back to Hugman and Mouseh threatening the accusers.
Phoenix declares his allegiance, however unlike the others, free of any accusation. Mouseh too with more subtlety, by vowing to avenge her fallen comrade.
Yoica, Rashkebab and Grishnag sitting on the fence, seemingly keen not to arouse any suspicion.
Tyler choosing to remain silent.
Curious events, much to be learned.
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Thanks for the recap:-P
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Narrator Kili.
Tyler choosing to remain silent.
Indeed, this is very uncharacteristic for you Tyler. Care to weigh in and voice your thoughts?
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Yoica, Rashkebab and Grishnag sitting on the fence, seemingly keen not to arouse any suspicion.
i think you will find that i was the first to call out graxlos on his claim bieng rather fast
I think claiming you are a towny right out of the gate is very suspicious
I allways find someone screaming"i am a townie and this guy right here is very suspicious" very suspicious.
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2 Questions:
1. Are we allowed to know which of the following setups we're playing with?
A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 1 Town Vigilante, 7 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 1 Town Bodyguard, 7 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
C) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 1 Named Town, 7 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
2. Can you explain what all the roles mean / can do?
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1) The idea of a semi-open setup is that you know that 1 of the described options is in the game. So it narrows it down for you but still there are those 3 possible setups and this game is using one of them.
2) This is the wiki of mafia games, it's very helpful for info and tips/tricks :)
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Roles_Main_Page
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Reminder, Day ends tomorrow morning, Monday 11am (10am UK time).
As Townies, the only way we contribute is by being very vocal, and gathering data. So you need to post who you are voting to lynch and your logic as to why its that person. Being quiet and not posting your reasons is very very counter productive to the town, it keeps us in the dark to your reasoning, making it likely for us to suspect you and get bad lynches. It also forces the Mafia to post their "logic" as well, or they look suspicious and too quiet. More info from them is more chances to fuck up, and allows us to see the flaws in their voting actions.
Don't be a fucking quiet scrub, specially when it comes to your voting reasons.
Don't fail to vote on whom you want Lynched or you will get mod killed!
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Narrator Kili.
Tyler choosing to remain silent.
Indeed, this is very uncharacteristic for you Tyler. Care to weigh in and voice your thoughts?
Tyler has a pregnant wife now. That is quite uncharacteristic compared to earlier games ;-)
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Reasons in the first night as a townie is just silly. Its utterly random unless you think you can read the other players' thoughts.
There are no actions to base your decisions on yet. We can start a bandwagon and when someone guilty or innocent was killed we can start guessing. I started a bandwagon for archz randomly.
If he turns out to be innocent it will make me look bad, if he is mafia then its pretty certain that I'm not mafia. Sacrificing one of 3 mafia would be insane in the first round.
First round is pretty much bs.
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Reasons in the first night as a townie is just silly. Its utterly random unless you think you can read the other players' thoughts.
There are no actions to base your decisions on yet. We can start a bandwagon and when someone guilty or innocent was killed we can start guessing. I started a bandwagon for archz randomly.
If he turns out to be innocent it will make me look bad, if he is mafia then its pretty certain that I'm not mafia. Sacrificing one of 3 mafia would be insane in the first round.
First round is pretty much bs.
This is true, I just don't want Townies to get into a habit of just posting a few silly lines, not posting logic and then voting.
Obviously at this point, we don't know shit and the first night Lynch is gonna be totally random.
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Hugman calls upon townies to start voting and explaining their logic but hasn't thrown the first stone himself - Intriguing!
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Hugman calls upon townies to start voting and explaining their logic but hasn't thrown the first stone himself - Intriguing!
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Gaieos seems to have pointed at Arches, who is a fine a target as any, however, I will start with someone who I feel, unless provoked, may remain too quiet for my liking.
I think that shifty looking Vorte is a follower of the false god Sargeras! What kinda name is Vorte anyway! Doesn't sound like a townie name to me! /Rabblerabblerabble.
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As shit as this vote is, mostly because we really don't have anything to go on i personally would vote for graxlos
The only reason i'd vote for him is because he was the first to claim town, claiming town is fine and all but no one asked anyone anything yet and screaming on top of the mountain IM TOWN GUISE is just to suspicious to me.
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Well you can always put your money where your mouth is and make that vote official Hugman.
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Well you can always put your money where your mouth is and make that vote official Hugman.
I see, well I picked the person randomly, and yet you see very eager for me to get my vote in for Vorte ASAP.
Do you know something I don't?
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Hah, thats a very good point Hugman ;o
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I do not care about you voting for vorte, vote for whomever you think is best. The thing is there's not much to do other than picking randomly so I was trying to move it a bit forward.
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Reminder to all players:
You have to post atleast once during the day in this thread or modkilled.
You have to vote or modkilled
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Lets get the ball rolling then. As I said, I have voted for Vorte, though if it suddenly becomes a jump on the bandwagon situation, I may change it before the deadline.
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I voted for Inexcitus
Narrators tend to be mafia more often than not. It's a great way to appear active w/o actually saying anything.
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That's fair Yoica, but I agree with Gaeios that the first night is a little bit of a wild card, at least in my experience playing similar games (The Resistance, Avalon etc.).
I'm going to put my vote on Shimmar, quick to point the finger at Mouseh and declare himself a Townie a bit too strongly.
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I vote in accordance with Yoica since he's the first to make an actual argument.
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I'm gonna go with Tyler right now since he's yet to say anything. Might change my vote depending on his post.
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Voted for Phoenixflame, he seemed a little too eager to bandwagon yoicas choice.
I do not care about you voting for vorte, vote for whomever you think is best. The thing is there's not much to do other than picking randomly so I was trying to move it a bit forward.
Also if you were only trying to 'move it forward' why you didn't start voting yourself?
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I'm gonna go with Tyler right now since he's yet to say anything. Might change my vote depending on his post.
It might be a wasted vote arches, if Tyler doesn't post atleast once in this thread he is getting modkilled anyway.
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Since nobody join my bandwagon I will vote for Tyler just in case he doesn't find his way online to vote. We don't want to lose there people tonight.
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Yo!
OK sorry for the lack of posts. I thought we were starting in the evening. I should more able to post at work :)
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Also if you were only trying to 'move it forward' why you didn't start voting yourself?
I don't like picking randomly so I was waiting either to come up with a valid argument myself or somebody else to do so. The narrator thing is not the strongest lead but it's still better than targeting people for having a weird name.
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I forgot to mention, I am a simple townie. Rest assured I posting and voting so late was not some uber strat, I was just slack.
I agree with Grax's assessment that the first vote is mainly random. I also agree with Mouseh that PhoenixFlame is the best suspect we have.
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I only count 9 votes cast, and there are 13 players.
DO NOT GET MOD KILLED PEOPLE!
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who are we missing votes from? Time to whatsapp the fuckers.
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Inexcitus' reply to yoica seems pretty townie. I also feel Hug is playing very pro-town.
Going to use my vote on Shimmar, simply due to his derpy play at the Iron Edge meetup in London last summer. Fingers crossed!
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I'm gonna stick with my initial choice and vote for Arches, Demon Hunters cannot be trusted.
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My apologies for not posting anything earlier! I was sitting around in the original "Let's do Mafia!"-thread waiting for Cwave to post that he had died.
Loving the narrative, by the way!
I will also be voting for Inexcitus because the summary kind of stood out. Although it was useful (I guess), it is as Yoica said an effective way to appear active without taking a stand.
I disagree with Vorte finding Inexcitus' last answer "pretty townie". If I was told that I did something suspicious I would take up a more defensive stance than he did there to protect my innocence. He seems to, yet again, not want to arouse any suspicion by supplying a neutral response.
Speaking of not taking a stand, I guess I am also falling into that category as I only have 13 minutes to post before getting modkilled!
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Right an hour to go, and I think everyone has voted except for Shimmar.
Correct me if I am wrong but the votes look like:
Inexitus 3
Arches 2
Phoenixflame 2
Shimmar 2
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Right currently on a train up to work, with unreliable connection.
Gonna give it 20 mins the switch my vote to Shimmar, as to not waste a lynch on a mod killed player.
By the time I get off the train it will be night so someone please switch there vote to Shimmar if he hasn't posted with 10mins to go.1
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Right, 10 am UK time.. So I had an hour and 13 minutes to post something.
Upon reading through the thread again, I am surprised that Hugman and Phoenixflame haven't voted for each other, even though they seem to be suspicious of each others reasoning.
As it has been pointed out before, the first round is largely random. It does however give some basis to start piecing together which players are on the same team. And I don't think Hugman and Phoenixflame are, unless both of them are aggressive townies.
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Voting for a player that is getting mod-killed is a wasted vote. It will only make it easier for the Mafia to influence who gets lynched!
If 3 ppl vote for Shimmar. Then 10 ppl are voting properly which means the mafia will hold 30% of the votes. With the current spread they'll most like only need to 'band wagon' with 1 mobster in order to get a safe lynch for them.
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Changed my vote to Shimmar as well. Might be a bit wasted with him (most likely) getting modkilled, but it's not like we have a lot to go on this first day so I'm not so sure about how wasted it really is.
Most likely Shimmar is townie though, I feel that if he were mafia, the others would have called him or poked him ingame to get him to post something.
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I see that Arch also switched. So if hug switches to Shimmar as well it means he'll get 4 votes which only further increases the mafia's influence!
Remember townies get NO usefull info on the ppl who voted for Shimmar, because voting for someone you know if going to die is useless.
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There are 10 town and 3 Mafia.
Surely as town it's better to lose a possible townie who's is going to be mod liked anyway, rather than losing up to two townies in one night, one to mod kill, one to lynch?
Sure we lose the slim chance of getting a Mafia kill day one, but that's low anyway.
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I see that Arch also switched. So if hug switches to Shimmar as well it means he'll get 4 votes which only further increases the mafia's influence!
Remember townies get NO usefull info on the ppl who voted for Shimmar, because voting for someone you know if going to die is useless.
Yoica, do not edit your posts!
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There are 10 town and 3 Mafia.
Surely as town it's better to lose a possible townie who's is going to be mod liked anyway, rather than losing up to two townies in one night, one to mod kill, one to lynch?
Sure we lose the slim chance of getting a Mafia kill day one, but that's low anyway.
Yes, but if 4 townie vote for a player getting killed that means there are 6 townie vs 3 mafia for a lynch. This is only advantageous for the maffia.
Currently my suspicio-meter is saying
1. Inexcutis - statistically narrators are mafia more often not mafia. Have to make 1st night choice based on something right?
1. Phoenix - tied 1st, as mouse mentioned the aggressive stance, but not actually voting while pushing to vote. This actually makes me doubt my vote
2. Hugman - As grill mentioned the pattern in posts between Hug and Phoenix.
3. completely open for me still.
Sorry Cwave, wouldn't do it again!
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Right now I am doubting what to do.
My main hesitation, aside from ,Yoica points, is that Arches changed his vote to Shimmar BEFORE the time i said I was going to switch, which kinda makes me feel I am being played.
This is all Shimmars fault, FUCK YOU Shimmar! You fucking baddie!
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Gotta agree with Hugman here. I might be a noob, I haven't played all that much, but I don't see how we get so much more information from just lynching someone at random. Sure voting pattern is important, and if all 12 vote for Shimmar then we got nothing from voting, but how would that be any different say if you all lynched me?
Don't we also rely heavily the other townies with special roles that can investigate players etc?
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Right back to plan A, sticking with Vorte. We will sort it out I the morning.
Fuck you Shimmar, may your mod kill be exceptionally dishonourable.
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As the day came to an end, the angry mob of Iron Edge Raiders reached a verdict. Two raiders tied into a final vote where one would get lynched. Normal rules would dictate that the first one getting the most votes would be the one to hang, but something didn't feel right about that this time.
They called upon the old gods to make a final verdict between these two. Gods don't like afk-ers so the grim final vote fell onto Shimmar. Due to the nature of his crime, the possible murder of Cwave AND being afk in trying to find the suspects, the old gods ported him out into the pit of C'thun to be ravaged by tentacles for a 1000 years.
(http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/static/images/media/whispers-of-the-old-gods/ss-main-thumb.jpg)
Shimmar the Vanilla Townie has been raped by C'thun
It's now Night 1. Actions have to be in before 23:00 GMT+1 tonight.
• Welcome, Shimmar, you are one of the elite Iron Edge Raiders, a Vanilla Townie.
Abilities:
• You have your voice and your vote. Be active and lynch the mafia!!!
Win condition:
• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.
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From the rules:
As a general rule, modkills should be designed to be as disadvantageous to the player and their faction as possible. A modkill on Town will end the Day (thus preventing them from lynching), and a modkill on any kind of scum will keep the Day going (so that the Town can ideally lynch another scum).
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What a way to go.. In true Grishnag-fashion with a tentacle in every hole.
Important clarification, Cwave. I think we were all under the impression that there would be both a modkill and a lynch today. However, this rule kind of favors the mafia as they are less likely to get modkilled (Due to the nature of their role). On the first day it could have gone both ways though, so I'm not too bummed about it!
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What a way to go.. In true Grishnag-fashion with a tentacle in every hole.
Important clarification, Cwave. I think we were all under the impression that there would be both a modkill and a lynch today. However, this rule kind of favors the mafia as they are less likely to get modkilled (Due to the nature of their role). On the first day it could have gone both ways though, so I'm not too bummed about it!
Modkilling is shit yep :( . A modkill and a lynch is too much(more so in this 13 sized game), hence the rule that a modkill stops any lynches.
PS. Posting during the night is allowed this game, just to be clear.
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So Shimmar's mod-kill meant that there would have been no lynch, no matter what the vote count?
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So Shimmar's mod-kill meant that there would have been no lynch, no matter what the vote count?
Sadly, yes. It's why afk-ers suck balls!
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Indeed they do...
OK well at least we know we do not need to alter our votes to an AFKer then. Just go ahead and vote for the person we think is most likely to be scum.
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I don't think there is much more to discuss until the next corpse turns up.
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I don't think there is much more to discuss until the next corpse turns up.
Unless the doctor puts its LoH on Hugman /Phoenix and lucks out in a 50/50 draw!
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I vote in accordance with Yoica since he's the first to make an actual argument.
You seem pretty quick to agree with Yoica, but I don't think his argument is a really an 'actual' one, see below.
1. Inexcutis - statistically narrators are mafia more often not mafia. Have to make 1st night choice based on something right?
I narrated one post, but you guys seem pretty keen to fixate on it? I get you have to make the first night choice based on something, but the fact you're saying that shows your argument is weak, it's just the best of a bad bunch? Or at least by your evaluation it is.
I will also be voting for Inexcitus because the summary kind of stood out. Although it was useful (I guess), it is as Yoica said an effective way to appear active without taking a stand.
I disagree with Vorte finding Inexcitus' last answer "pretty townie". If I was told that I did something suspicious I would take up a more defensive stance than he did there to protect my innocence. He seems to, yet again, not want to arouse any suspicion by supplying a neutral response.
Again, not really seeing a strong point here apart from what I wrote stood out and was useful? Of course I'm a townie, everyone is implicitly a townie in the first round anyway, it's up to them wether they explicitly state it or not, that's kind of just how the game works? It's a balance right, if I start screaming "I'm townie guys!" that's suspicious, if I'm a bit more withdrawn that's suspicious
That being said I think we got a lot of information from the first day, the voting seems pretty fixated on several people, which is interesting, and there are some groups of people already appearing to band together on seemingly weak foundations. But that's the nature of round 1 I guess.
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Some voting analysis (as far as it can be done):
Post by: Hugman on October 16, 2016, 11:09:57 pm
##VOTE : Vorte
Vorte - 1
Post by: Yoica on October 16, 2016, 11:15:03 pm
##VOTE : Inexcitus
Vorte - 1
Inexcitus - 1
Post by: Grishnag on October 16, 2016, 11:22:33 pm
##VOTE : Graxlos
Vorte - 1
Inexcitus - 1
Graxlos - 1
Post by: Inexcitus on October 16, 2016, 11:49:41 pm
##VOTE : Shimmar
Vorte - 1
Inexcitus - 1
Graxlos - 1
Shimmar - 1
Post by: Phoenixflame on October 17, 2016, 12:12:57 am
##VOTE : Inexcitus
Vorte - 1
Inexcitus - 2
Graxlos - 1
Shimmar - 1
Post by: Archz on October 17, 2016, 12:13:19 am
##VOTE : Tyler
Vorte - 1
Inexcitus - 2
Graxlos - 1
Shimmar - 1
Tyler - 1
Post by: Mouseh on October 17, 2016, 01:18:11 am
##VOTE : Phoenixflame
Vorte - 1
Inexcitus - 2
Graxlos - 1
Shimmar - 1
Tyler - 1
Phoenixflame - 1
Post by: Gaeios(Graxlos) on October 17, 2016, 07:22:03 am
##VOTE : Tyler
Vorte - 1
Inexcitus - 2
Graxlos - 1
Shimmar - 1
Tyler - 2
Phoenixflame - 1
Post by: Tyler on October 17, 2016, 08:39:10 am
## VOTE : Phoenixflame
Vorte - 1
Inexcitus - 2
Graxlos - 1
Shimmar - 1
Tyler - 2
Phoenixflame - 2
Post by: Gaeios(Graxlos) on October 17, 2016, 08:45:19 am
##UNVOTE : Tyler
##VOTE : Archz
Vorte - 1
Inexcitus - 2
Graxlos - 1
Shimmar - 1
Tyler - 1
Phoenixflame - 2
Archz - 1
Post by: Rashkebab on October 17, 2016, 09:46:47 am
##VOTE: Arches
Vorte - 1
Inexcitus - 2
Graxlos - 1
Shimmar - 1
Tyler - 1
Phoenixflame - 2
Archz - 2
Post by: Vorte on October 17, 2016, 09:47:22 am
##VOTE : Shimmar
Vorte - 1
Inexcitus - 2
Graxlos - 1
Shimmar - 2
Tyler - 1
Phoenixflame - 2
Archz - 2
Post by: Grilldyret on October 17, 2016, 09:53:21 am
##VOTE : Inexcitus
Vorte - 1
Inexcitus - 3
Graxlos - 1
Shimmar - 2
Tyler - 1
Phoenixflame - 2
Archz - 2
Post by: Archz on October 17, 2016, 10:23:03 am
##UNVOTE : Tyler
##VOTE : Shimmar
Vorte - 1
Inexcitus - 3
Graxlos - 1
Shimmar - 3
Tyler - 1
Phoenixflame - 2
Archz - 2
Looking for mafia-ish voting:
In retrospect I see that Yoica had a fair point, just voting for someone that will get killed doesn't give us a whole lot. It was pretty obvious that Shimmar was townie, and even if he was mafia then the other mafia could have just jumped on it (if they couldn't reach him) and lynch a mafia to get some credibility.
The only thing we have to go for at this point is people going for risk free voting if they're not very experienced at mafia, given that one of their own isn't at risk being lynched. I think both me and Vorte is especially at fault there when we jump on the band wagon of someone who's been AFK the entire day.
On to how to use our special town abilities:
We have one of these combinations:
A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 1 Town Vigilante, 7 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 1 Town Bodyguard, 7 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
C) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 1 Named Town, 7 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
We have at least one cop (he can check your role during the night) so this needs to be put to good use. First we need to know:
Since it was specified that the game should be contained to the forum, can the cop contact players outside of the post through PM's?
Should he be so lucky as to find a mafia, then he still probably shouldn't come out with his role, instead say it to someone that may have gone hard against that person at the start, although that could also be some clever and risky mafia play
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Since it was specified that the game should be contained to the forum, can the cop contact players outside of the post through PM's?
Nope.
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Not a best start of this first day for avenging Cwave and this night turned out to be just as terrible, Tyler thought. Still wearing his dirty ol’ garms from the mystic farm run when all of a sudden he was rudely ported out. Into this messy murder scene, surrounded by idiots and traitors. Followed by the Old Gods shipping that poor smuck Shimmar off like a child-bride to get tentacled by C’thun. And now this collection of fellow raiders lay here scattered around him snoring like a pack of lumberjacks.
“Typical in-it, bunch of Cockneys”, Tyler murmured.
A quick piss around the corner, might as well. As he walked past a couple of spirit totems in this silly Shaman Order Hall, he bumped into one of his fellow raiders.
Surprised, Tyler asked:
“Oy, why are you smiling at me like some drunk murloc? And what’s that moving in your right hand? You fancy yourself a mash man and ya gonna dash it at me?”
His fellow raider threw the creature he held captive in his right hand towards Tyler. As soon as this Corrupted Vermin hit Tyler, he got a tick of Burst of Corruption. The debuff that followed dazed Tyler.
(https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/wow.gamepedia.com/thumb/7/7d/Ya'mon_TCG.jpg/300px-Ya'mon_TCG.jpg)
As he ran back towards the group of guildies with the vermin following him, he remembered what the Corrupted Vermin would do to them if it reached them while being vast asleep.
Tyler stopped running, accepting his inevitable death…
(http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/guide/images/10385.jpg)
He stood still and the vermin caught up with him. A loud explosion followed shaking the rock foundations and waking the rest of the raiders. As they rushed towards the sound, they found nothing but the weapons of one of their fellow raiders, covered in goo.
Tyler the Vanilla Townie has been killed
It’s now day2. Day2 will end tomorrow evening 18-10-2016 @ 23:00 GMT+1
Don’t forget to post and vote!
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THATS UNFAIR CWAVE, YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO EDIT YOUR POSTS.
To be honest and this is going to sound very mafia and i know, killing tyler off might be good for the town, he barely interacted.
It however does give us some information, tyler voted for Phoenixflames, now as we all know him and hugman have kinda bieng going "off" at each other from the start, this might be a devious maffia ploy to set eachother up looking like townies argueing at eachother slightly to passionatly.
On the otherhand i am glad that we just lost 2 townies and not a powerrole like a cop or medic.
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Damn it i forgot to ask, does the maffia have multiple kill powers or just one?
or are we not allowed to know?
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Damn it i forgot to ask, does the maffia have multiple kill powers or just one?
or are we not allowed to know?
The roles described in the semi-setup at the start are the ones this game can use, abilities for those roles are from mafiascum wiki.
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Mafia Godfather - "A Godfather is a role that investigates as Innocent (or some other favorable result) to Cops, regardless of their actual alignment."
Mafia Roleblocker - "A Roleblocker chooses one player per Night to block from performing his or her night action"
Mafia Goon- "A Goon is a member of the Mafia with no special abilities"
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RIP Tyler, we will avenge you and Cwave!(fuck Shimmar)
Thanks for the voting summary, Archz! That's either solid town play, or clever scum play. Since it's you, I am leaning towards the former.
It is quite early morning, but do we want some subtle hinting about what our cop etc found out last night? Or potentially full frontal hinting?
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Would it be wise for the cop to go full frontal on day 2? We don't have any means of countering the roleblocker (Which is guaranteed to be in the game), so if someone made a believable claim as cop they would effectively be rendered vanilla townies. I would advise the cop to remain silent until he/she has identified some scum and can provide enough information to have made the role useful even though (s)he is roleblocked for the rest of the game.
I guess Tyler was an easy pick for the scum, as he had not drawn enough attention to himself to warrant doctor protection. That could be useful to know for the coming night, unless someone claims a role that places them high on the mafia hit-list.
Just keep the meta in mind if you are going to claim a role!
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RIP Tyler, we will avenge you and Cwave!(fuck Shimmar)
Thanks for the voting summary, Archz! That's either solid town play, or clever scum play. Since it's you, I am leaning towards the former.
It is quite early morning, but do we want some subtle hinting about what our cop etc found out last night? Or potentially full frontal hinting?
Vorte, do you have any reads on people that are acting mafia-ish? You claim that Inexcitus and Archz are playing as townies, even though they are really just summarizing information and not pointing any fingers. Identifying townies is good and all, but in the end we need to identify the mafia so we can lynch them.
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Vorte, do you have any reads on people that are acting mafia-ish?
Nothing solid that sticks out making me sure, but i lean towards the more role playing ones; Graxlos, Mouseh, Hugman.
Do you have any good reads, Grill?
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Vorte, do you have any reads on people that are acting mafia-ish?
Nothing solid that sticks out making me sure, but i lean towards the more role playing ones; Graxlos, Mouseh, Hugman.
Do you have any good reads, Grill?
It's funny I tend to feel the same way. That I get more suspicious of the roleplayers, but Im surprised that you put me in that category.
The only real knowledge left is that tyler was killed by the mafia.
So from that we could wonder if the mafia would have tried to kill him during the day or if they were smart enough to divert away from him during the day, to seem innocent the next day.
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Purely based on my personal opinion of playstyles, these are my reads from most to least scummy:
1: Hugman
2: Phoenixflame (Reason for #1 and #2 is that I am quite certain one of them is scum, but I don't know which one. So they are both on top of my list atm.
3: Inexcitus
4: Archz (Twice voting for someone believed to be AFK yesterday. Easy, low-risk votes. This may be because he believed it would help to lynch the one that was getting modkilled, but I doubt it)
5: Vorte (Supplying townie reads, which is a safe route)
6: Grishnag (I can't even base this on anything, just a subjective opinion. So don't read too much into it)
7: Rash (Has posted three times in the thread, not saying anything of impact. Could be flying under the radar)
8: Mouseh (No read here)
9: Gaeios (No read here)
10: Yoica (Not afraid to point fingers, cleaned up the "Vote for Shimmar!"-mess)
11: Tyler (RIP)
12: Shimmar (RIP)
13: Grilldyret (Duh)
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Well at least we have some limited information now.
For the moment I'm going to ignore the people who voted for Shimmar, because those are wasted votes.
The votes for Inexcitus on the other hand are interesting, because everyone was expecting a mod-kill AND a lynching. Therefore we can assume there is at least 1 mafia vote in there. Obviously I'm going to assuming I'm not a mobster so that leaves Phoenix and Grilly.
[joke]Based on the language of their posts Phoenix is clearly the Goon and Grill the Godfather![/joke]
Inexcitus - since there was no clear bandwagoning on another player in an attempt to save him I have currently moved him down on my Suspect Meter
Phoenix - He already was tied for most suspect on my list and considering my new read on Inexcitus he has become my prime suspect
Grilly - I'm not sure about Grilly it can really go both ways. His posts are thought out and seemingly constructive so for the moment he is getting the benefit of the doubt.
For now my vote is on Phoenixflame
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Purely based on my personal opinion of playstyles, these are my reads from most to least scummy:
1: Hugman
2: Phoenixflame (Reason for #1 and #2 is that I am quite certain one of them is scum, but I don't know which one. So they are both on top of my list atm.
Your reasoning isn't mutually exclusive. In fact I would go to say it actually links them, either both are scum or neither.
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Right day two. First I'll post my thoughts on what occured last night, then I'll post in response to people finger pointing at me with little evidence (on a train to work).
We lost two townies last night Tyler and Shimmar. Shimmar was a waste of space, and cost us our lynch, good riddance. Tyler is a bit more of a shame, having played sereral games with Tyler when he was a townie, he was normally very active, and did a lot to help the town wins by making lots of good posts. This is why his lack of posts last night got him killed.
There are two ways to look at his actions, as town or as Mafia. As town the normally active and constructive poster Tyler is being very quiet with few posts, this makes him look shady, and he becomes a lynch target. As Mafia, the normally active and constructive poster Tyler is being very quiet. They know he is town, so to them it looks like he is deliberately trying to stay out of the focus, and hence they suspect he is a town special role, he gets murdered.
The point is people all town, normal and special role, need to be active and making constructive posts! I can not stress this enough! The ONLY people who benefit from quiet town is Mafia! There is no "holding back out of the limelight, cos you are a special townie" that doesn't work, the Mafia currently has more data to work with then town, and will notice you.
So people who need to start posting a lot more: Mouse, Rashkebab.
Mouse you have done very little cept throw a few half hearted accusations around, and go on to Phoenix when I poked him. Rash as someone who is normally very active on the forums and discord, you haven't posted much at all.
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Vorte, do you have any reads on people that are acting mafia-ish?
Nothing solid that sticks out making me sure, but i lean towards the more role playing ones; Graxlos, Mouseh, Hugman.
Do you have any good reads, Grill?
Gaieos you aren't allowed to edit your posts.
It's funny I tend to feel the same way. That I get more suspicious of the roleplayers, but Im surprised that you put me in that category.
The only real knowledge left is that tyler was killed by the mafia.
So from that we could wonder if the mafia would have tried to kill him during the day or if they were smart enough to divert away from him during the day, to seem innocent the next day.
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Sorry that wasn't very clear, on a phone on a train.
I meant: Gaeios you are not allowed to edit your posts
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I voted for Inexcitus because of the fact that I believe him to be scum, not because I saw an opportunity to lynch a townie (As I am assuming that is where your reasoning is going with the 1 mafia vote for Inexcitus thing).
At the time I voted there were 4 players with 2 votes (See Archz' post above), and I could have tipped any of them over the edge. I didn't choose Shimmar because he was going to be modkilled, I didn't choose Phoenix because I'm honestly not sure about him vs. Hugman and I didn't choose Archz because the arguments against him were even weaker than those against Inexcitus.
This is obviously going to look bad if Inexcitus turns out to be a townie and Archz turns out to be mafia, but my point is that if I were a bad guy I could have chosen to lynch someone that wasn't under suspicion, such as Archz where the only argument was the fact that he was plays a DH. Surely the mafia would want to keep townies under suspicion alive, as they are easy lynch targets in a pinch?
I agree with Inexcitus that the argument against him is weak, but at the time it was the only person I felt I had any reason to claim was scum, from what little information we had to decide on.
Purely based on my personal opinion of playstyles, these are my reads from most to least scummy:
1: Hugman
2: Phoenixflame (Reason for #1 and #2 is that I am quite certain one of them is scum, but I don't know which one. So they are both on top of my list atm.
Your reasoning isn't mutually exclusive. In fact I would go to say it actually links them, either both are scum or neither.
How would them going at each other link them if they were both townies and unaware of the other player's role? I can see why they would pull something like this if they were both bad guys, but not if they were both good guys. I assume the mafia have some sort of separate forum thread or whatsapp group or whatever for scheming and plotting, so that would be the only way they could coordinate the maneuver.
I am open to your input on why that would link them as townies though, I just don't see it.
How about this? I put my vote on Hugman, and we'll see how it plays out from there. He seems to be pushing for town, so either he's playing his role well or he is, in fact, innocent.
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Regarding people being suspicious of me:
First of all, I have been one of the most visually active and pro town in my posts. I am sure you could turn around and go "well yeah, as a Mafia that's exactly the impression you want to be giving, to divert attention". This is a fair point. However, as a vanilla townie the only way I contribute is by making constructive posts, poking people to get responses, which we can then analyse. Frankly all the town players should be doing this. I will repeate it again: the more posts we have from people, the more data we can work with, them more chance the Mafia Fucks up and we get a good lynch.
Secondly posting lists with me at the top "herp derp, because you and Phoenix went at each other and I think that is scummy" as the reason is a bit retarded. I only have my posts to contribute, I tend to find someone, rightly or wrongly and go at them to provoke a response form them. And the I poke harder until I either am convinced they are town, or I feel I have enough data to be confident they are Mafia and push for a lynch. I also watch WHO jumps on my bandwagon when I go after people. Frankly more town should be doing this, some of you are.
With Phoenix I didn't really get much out if the exchange, i may have to do more. However I feel there are still "quiet townies" and thus is far more dangerous right now.
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Sorry, I hope I can be forgiven since it was so shortly after the original post.
It is a very interesting thing this game and the strategies. Hugman is so adamant about teaching people how to play, which would be a good way to try to put himself in the clear without really doing any damage to the mafia.
I think in general, if newbies become mafia they tend to be a bit too quiet. But hugman is no noob at this game.
I think the reads on tyler are a bit silly taken his changed RL situation in to account.
I think the only somewhat logical derivations so far were Yoicas. We should look at the final postcount before the night started.
The fact that grilly still tries to imply that Inexcitus could be mafia makes him very suspicious to me. The mafia would never sacrifice one of 3 players on night one, which such an even votecount.
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And I will take a posting break until the the workday is over, as I said from before the game, I cant sit posting all day at work.
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@ Hugman, You are correct, but we can only base it on info we have and not info we don't have. Day 2 has only just started and we have 2 RL days before it ends so there is plenty of time for everyone to post more and for opinions to change.
@Grill, Rereading everything from the start I think you are partial correct. Either both are mafia or 1 of them is. I come back on the idea both are townies. Personally I'm leaning more to both being mafia.
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I think the reads on tyler are a bit silly taken his changed RL situation in to account.
Not sure what you mean by that. My only point was Tyler was quiet, he drew Mafia suspcion, he got murdered, town post more.And I will take a posting break until the the workday is over, as I said from before the game, I cant sit posting all day at work.
Me too, at work, might post at lunch otherwise later.
Still waiting on posts from Rash and Mouse...
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Erm Yoica daye ends tonight 10pm UK time!
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Oh shit, for some reason I had 48 hrs/24hrs cycle stuck in my mind.
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The fact that grilly still tries to imply that Inexcitus could be mafia makes him very suspicious to me. The mafia would never sacrifice one of 3 players on night one, which such an even votecount.
Why is it suspicious that I still think Inexcitus could be mafia? Has he said or done anything that indicates he's not?
I don't really understand your last sentence, are you implying that sacrificing Inexcitus would be to sacrifice a mafia?
Or are you implying that since Shimmar was a townie and Inexcitus voted for him, that clears Inexcitus of suspicion?
Or are you perhaps saying that if I were mafia, Inexcitus must be townie? I could understand that reasoning, but in any case it's the other way around.
Forgive my messy post, I am honestly just trying to understand what you are getting at.
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Most of the day and until your vote, Inexcitus was the one being lynched.
Mafia did nothing to try to shift votes to someone else. Then your vote insured his demise unless atleast two votes shifted. Then vorte shifted his vote to Shimmar which made no difference since Inexcitus was already at 3 votes.
It isnt unheard of that mafia would sacrifice a player, but it would seem totally useless at this stage of the game since it wouldn't really put anyone in the clear since the beginning is so random.
I'm really wondering if you are strategically playing dumb.
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To be honest i feel we should scrutinize the people that voted for Shimmar some more, most of all because it was a sort of "safe" vote, mostly because he was getting killed anyway and us thinking we'd still get a lynch makes it a bit of a safe vote in my eyes.
So the voters were arches kili and vorte
Arches stands out for me because he changed his vote from someone else to shimmar.
Also fuck phone posting.
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I feel I did a good job explaining my vote. First I voted for Tyler since he had yet to write anything, and then I changed it to Shimmar since at the time I felt that for the first day a lynch and a mod kill would really hurt us, since chances are that we would lynch a townie.
But yeah it sticks out as a "safe vote", something I pointed out was a common mafia strategy for someone who aren't very experienced, and I acknowledged that.
I'm heading off to work now, gotta work in some time to read over what everyone has posted one more time, but my spidey senses hasn't tingled yet. Either gotta jump on someone that feels suspicious, or on someone that barely posts at all and hope they're not a cop trying to fly under the radar.
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I clearly stated that it isn't a safe vote, it's a useless one! Particularly because we were all under the assumption there would a mod-kill AND a lynching. Your vote on Shimmar only gave more voting power to the mafia which thankfully wasn't used effectively due to how the rule around not voting is different than we thought.
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I am leaving for work, and won't be able to do too many posts until late this evening. I'm going to place my vote on Rash for now, only to make him come out of the woodwork and post something.
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Looks like I'm pretty high on the suspect list for some of you. I originally joined in to vote for someone that had a reason to vote for (and I still agree - narrators do appear to be very active without saying much, it's a good mafia strategy).
On the other hand I have to say that as soon as I cast my vote I've been strongly accused by Mouseh, with Tyler also voting for me. Then Tyler dies. Come on, this is too easy! They're trying to frame me by eliminating one of my voters. And I suspect Mouseh's accusation was to get an innocent townie on board that they could safely kill, putting me in a bad light and getting another townie lynching going. That's why I'm voting for Mouseh. Gotta say though, it's a good plan.
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Most of the day and until your vote, Inexcitus was the one being lynched.
Mafia did nothing to try to shift votes to someone else. Then your vote insured his demise unless atleast two votes shifted. Then vorte shifted his vote to Shimmar which made no difference since Inexcitus was already at 3 votes.
It isnt unheard of that mafia would sacrifice a player, but it would seem totally useless at this stage of the game since it wouldn't really put anyone in the clear since the beginning is so random.
I'm really wondering if you are strategically playing dumb.
If not taking what you wrote into account is being strategically dumb, then that's one thing I'm guilty of. Let me stress that I thought I only had 13 minutes to post a vote, so I quickly read, re-read and came to a conclusion.
I didn't consider the fact that no-one tried to shift votes away from Inexcitus, as I was simply going on a hunch. My hunch is not gone, but it does of course weaken when you clarify things for me as you did above.
I am trying to stir the hive here, but I won't be voting for Inexcitus again today partially because of the point you just made.
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Thanks for the random vote Vorte, you "got me out" :P
Rash as someone who is normally very active on the forums and discord, you haven't posted much at all.
I can assure you my low post count is entirely because of time constraints. Despite Hugman being very active, I don't believe he's mafia, he's clearly trying to get to the bottom of this and win. But if I'm gonna be honest, I don't think there are any good points being made at all, nothing is even remotely convincing to me.
I wanna see what Kili has to contribute to the conversation today, though.
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I been trying to get some posts up from work, but pretty busy day, getting interrupted all the time. I took some notes tho. What I got so far:
- Kili was going to get lynched at the end of the day (we thought there was going to be modkill+lynch), but mafia did close to nothing to prevent that. Makes me think that hes a townie.
- "safe votes" as in votes for tyler (was inactive for most of the day) and shimmar, especially late switches to him should be taken as hints.
- assassination of tyler during the night - "safe kill?" Killing someone whos clearly pretty busy irl, didn't contribute much that 1st day, wasn't aggressive towards anyone specific. He agreed with me that Phoenix was suspicious and thats about it. Makes me think one or more of Mafia members knew Tyler very well, played with him in the past and knew hes pretty good at the game and highly intelligent. Someone who knew he could be a big threat for them. We are looking for an old school IEdger! That might narrow the list a little.
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And maybe even narrower, to someone that isn't active on irc and therefore aware that he is a lot more busy than earlier games with family life.
I been trying to get some posts up from work, but pretty busy day, getting interrupted all the time. I took some notes tho. What I got so far:
- Kili was going to get lynched at the end of the day (we thought there was going to be modkill+lynch), but mafia did close to nothing to prevent that. Makes me think that hes a townie.
- "safe votes" as in votes for tyler (was inactive for most of the day) and shimmar, especially late switches to him should be taken as hints.
- assassination of tyler during the night - "safe kill?" Killing someone whos clearly pretty busy irl, didn't contribute much that 1st day, wasn't aggressive towards anyone specific. He agreed with me that Phoenix was suspicious and thats about it. Makes me think one or more of Mafia members knew Tyler very well, played with him in the past and knew hes pretty good at the game and highly intelligent. Someone who knew he could be a big threat for them. We are looking for an old school IEdger! That might narrow the list a little.
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"Warning - while you were typing 3 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post." I can barely keep up :P Lets see..
Looks like I'm pretty high on the suspect list for some of you. I originally joined in to vote for someone that had a reason to vote for (and I still agree - narrators do appear to be very active without saying much, it's a good mafia strategy).
On the other hand I have to say that as soon as I cast my vote I've been strongly accused by Mouseh, with Tyler also voting for me. Then Tyler dies. Come on, this is too easy! They're trying to frame me by eliminating one of my voters. And I suspect Mouseh's accusation was to get an innocent townie on board that they could safely kill, putting me in a bad light and getting another townie lynching going. That's why I'm voting for Mouseh. Gotta say though, it's a good plan.
"Strongly accused by Mouseh" - I asked you why were you pushing Hugman to vote, and not start voting yourself. It was a legit question. I can think only of one reason why would you think it was a strong accusation. ;)
And this whole story of how you were 'framed' its so ridiculous and far-fetched. Let see if I got this right, the reason Tyler was eliminated is because he voted for you, so mafia thought they fo sure gonna incriminate you by assassinating him? Imagine if they kill me next night, you gonna be DOUBLE FRAMED OMG! :D
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I don't think it's far fetched at all from experience those are the kind of plays that ensure a mafia victory.
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I should have cleared up what i meant by "safe" vote, as you said yoica it isn't a safe vote if you are town, it's a wasted vote and quite frankly bad for town to vote for him.
It is however a safe vote for mafia, mostly because it's a nonvote, trying to steer people to vote for someone at day one is very hard for mafia therefor voting for a quiet person is generally a safe vote.
I am going to vote for Archz, the reason why is mostly very clear to me, his 2 votes are very suspicious to me especially him switching from tyler a quiet person to shimmar another quiet person.
by 2 votes i mean the one he changed from Tyler (a quiet person) to shimmar (a dumb quiet person)
Anyway my list from most suspicious to least goes as follows
1) Archz.
2) Vorte, reason bieng him complimenting archz and brushing it off because he knows him in real life, also voted for shimmar first day a wasted vote
3) Inexitus, he also voted for shimmar and contributed very little so far.
4) Grilldyret, mostly because of his 2 questions/statements regarding power role, this could be ignorance on his part but bieng paraniod old me i will go for malice wanting to know who the cop is.
Also him putting himself below dead people on his list doesn't sit right with me.
5) Pheonixflame, anyone going on about how he is bieng set up is a bit suspicious to me especially on the first day.
6) Hugman, he is not out of the woods yet but he has been getting a more town vibe from me the more he posts, and as we all can see he does post a lot.
7) Mouseh, hasn't said an awfull lot so it is very hard to get a read on her.
8) Yoica, so far most of what he has done has been for the good of the town.
9) Graxlos, same as above really.
I feel like i am forgetting someone, anyway those are my reads so far, could be completely wrong so take it with a grain of salt
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Grish, I was doing the exact opposite of trying to find the cop, by suggesting that it stays quiet for now. I was also just throwing out a suggestion for who might need a doctor save, I don't see how this is ignorant of me.
As for the list, I just figured that I should put myself in there after I finished compiling it, please don't read anything into it :)
Phone posting now, I'll be back later for the last couple of hours of the day!
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Voting so far:
Post by: Yoica on October 18, 2016, 10:14:19 am
##VOTE : Phoenixflame
Post by: Grilldyret on October 18, 2016, 10:50:31 am
##VOTE : Hugman
Post by: Gaeios(Graxlos) on October 18, 2016, 10:57:32 am
##VOTE : Grilldyret
Post by: Vorte on October 18, 2016, 02:25:17 pm
##VOTE : Rashkebab
Post by: Phoenixflame on October 18, 2016, 02:38:38 pm
##VOTE: Mouseh
Post by: Grishnag on October 18, 2016, 05:34:18 pm
##VOTE : Archz
Bringing the current standing to:
Phoenixflame - 1
Hugman - 1
Grilldyret - 1
Rashkebab - 1
Mouseh - 1
Archz - 1
Right now I'm a bit skeptical to either Grish or Grilldyret, I don't agree with the whole "long list of suspects" considering that there's only 3 mafia, and you're just spreading more doubt than there are badguys and that doesn't feel like good townie play
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I think Grishnag makes a good point about Archz and his safe voting, but I'm still gonna wait and see what Inexitus has to offer before I put my vote in today.
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I feel my reasoning is falling on deaf ears.
My first thought was that we could get the majority to lynch Shimmar, then we would just get a lynch instead of a modkill (dead is dead). I felt that this was the way to go since we had nothing to go for at the first day. Grish was perfectly happy lynching Graxlos on the first day and now he's at the bottom of his suspicion list. Yoica thought that voting for someone getting lynched would result in that vote not being counted and a real lynch would go through on the player not being mod killed. We were both wrong, and this wasn't clarified until after the day was over.
The reason I went back on my decision in retrospect was that lynching an AFK player would basically give the mafia a head start and I wasn't sure how much we'd be able to learn from our special roles over the night. Now since it's clarified that the cop can't contact anyone outside of the forum, he would have to go forward at some point if he found a mafia, and then we'd have to have the medic alive and pray he doesn't get role blocked.
Going forward:
We are dropping like flies. If we lynch another townie, which we very well might since we're so divided, the mafia can easily drop in an extra vote or two on someone of the six we have on the roster atm, we will most likely tomorrow be 6 townies vs 3 mafia. And the chances increase that they will get one of our blues.
What I'm proposing is that our named town, vigilante or bodyguard comes forward and gains protection from the doctor. I think we can at least all agree upon this being smart if he's on the voting roster. At this point I think the cop should only come forward once he finds a mafia. If he comes forward and says who he found to be townie, then he would need protection and the verified townie would probably be killed that first night, but here I'm open for input
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Grish, I was doing the exact opposite of trying to find the cop, by suggesting that it stays quiet for now. I was also just throwing out a suggestion for who might need a doctor save, I don't see how this is ignorant of me.
Any cop or medic should know that unless people are voting to lynch him he shouldn't reveal who he is.
Unless offcourse he got 2 confirmed mafia on the third day.
As for the list, I just figured that I should put myself in there after I finished compiling it, please don't read anything into it :)
no one is going to suspect themselves, unless offcourse they have multiple personallity disorder and has enough personalities to play a game of mafia.
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I feel my reasoning is falling on deaf ears.
My first thought was that we could get the majority to lynch Shimmar, then we would just get a lynch instead of a modkill (dead is dead).
That is the stupidest reason i have heard yet, if it wasn't for this modkill = no lynch we would have had 2 dead, one of them might have been a mafia we can't know this though.
I felt that this was the way to go since we had nothing to go for at the first day. Grish was perfectly happy lynching Graxlos on the first day and now he's at the bottom of his suspicion list.
Exacly, my vote on grax was because we had nothing to go on, you however changed your vote from one silent guy (granted he started talking at the end of the day) to another one.
Yoica thought that voting for someone getting lynched would result in that vote not being counted and a real lynch would go through on the player not being mod killed. We were both wrong, and this wasn't clarified until after the day was over.
I'll refrain from commenting here because i know nothing about either of your reasoning and it doesn't really matter all that much.
The reason I went back on my decision in retrospect was that lynching an AFK player would basically give the mafia a head start and I wasn't sure how much we'd be able to learn from our special roles over the night.
and then you voted for an afk person anyway.
Now since it's clarified that the cop can't contact anyone outside of the forum, he would have to go forward at some point if he found a mafia, and then we'd have to have the medic alive and pray he doesn't get role blocked.
Not sure why this had to be clarified, no mafia i played ever let you contact someone in secret.
We are dropping like flies. If we lynch another townie, which we very well might since we're so divided, the mafia can easily drop in an extra vote or two on someone of the six we have on the roster atm, we will most likely tomorrow be 6 townies vs 3 mafia. And the chances increase that they will get one of our blues.
Unless we don't misslynch the likelyhood that we will be 4 town 3 mafia in the morning.
What I'm proposing is that our named town, vigilante or bodyguard comes forward and gains protection from the doctor. I think we can at least all agree upon this being smart if he's on the voting roster. At this point I think the cop should only come forward once he finds a mafia. If he comes forward and says who he found to be townie, then he would need protection and the verified townie would probably be killed that first night, but here I'm open for input
Allright, i'll claim that named town, gonna quote Cwave now, i'll doubt i am allowed to make a screenshot from my personal messages
• Welcome, Grishnag, you are Warden Maiev Shadowsong, and the Named Town.
Abilities:
• You have no special abilities other than that you can claim your title and alignment.
Win condition:
• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.
I'll be honest the medic saving me isn't going to do much good, the chance mafia thinks this aswell is pretty high and they might just target another player.
They could also double tripple bluff and go for me anyway and kill me because the medic thought the same way as i did, but that's going round in circles.
I wanted to say something else but i forgot i might have something later who knows.
Cwave you git, Maiev a normal towny? Pfft you lore ignorant scrub, she'd fit the jailer role perfectly even vigilante would have been a good role.
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Everytime after i post something i remember.
What happens if votes are tied?
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Right I have just got back and looked over whats been posted since....
First of all, let me address the retarded elephant in the room, Arches.
NO. No, No. What you are asking is retarded. There are many many reasons why you don't call for special townies to reveal themselves, and frankly I don' t have the time needed to write up the 3 pages of posts to point them out, so I will just list the obivoius. 1. Its day 2, we lost one townie to the lynch (sort of), and one to the night murder, this is pretty normal, we are not "dropping like flies", stop being retarded, and calling for stupid rash actions (the pun will become apparent later). 2. Why would you reveal, even just one of the town roles, it helps the Mafia narrow down the remaining ones. No. Retarded. 3. They have a role blocker, you give them our vig/bodyguard, you call our doctor out to save, all it does is help them narrow whos left for them to find, and makes their night kill more accurate. No. No. Stop being retarded and calling this shit, day two, it makes you look stupid or scummy.
NO.
Moving on, mouse and grish posted and gave us some data, which is good.
Phoenixflame posted some wierd ass theory, which basically said, "well Tyler (a known townie) voted for me, and then he got night killed, therefore, the Mafia killed Tyler, in order to frame me!"
This is special. So so special. At the very least, you would realise, Tyler, a known townie now, voted cos he felt you weren't acting townie enough. The Mafia, aren't stupid enough to kill Tyler, in order to frame you. That's paranoid and illogical. They killed Tyler, cos they suspected he was a townie special.
Again moving on, people have started voting, giving us data, this is good.
Of note, Vorte voted for Rashkebab.
Who then posted this:Thanks for the random vote Vorte, you "got me out" :P
Rash as someone who is normally very active on the forums and discord, you haven't posted much at all.
I can assure you my low post count is entirely because of time constraints. Despite Hugman being very active, I don't believe he's mafia, he's clearly trying to get to the bottom of this and win. But if I'm gonna be honest, I don't think there are any good points being made at all, nothing is even remotely convincing to me.
I wanna see what Kili has to contribute to the conversation today, though.
Yeah. Hes scum. Pretty damm certain of it.
I will elaborate in my next post.
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So lets look at all of Rash's posts in the last 60 hours:
We get off topic. I have noticed Rashkebab has been lurking on this thread, yet not posting for a couple of hours now.
Care to explain yourself Rash?
Well as you might understand it is a lot easier to read a thread on your phone than it is to post from your phone with a shitty phone keyboard.
This furious F5'ing and fingerpointing you're doing is beyond suspicious Hugman, I think you need to calm down before someone innocent gets hurt. That being said, I'm perfectly comfortable with lynching Archz, Demon Hunters are all the same. Not to mention that he has a clear motive considering the nature of the crime.
I accuse him of not posting enough. His reply is "its hard to reply on a phone, I think Arches is bad"
Why are you so quick to jump on the lynch-archz bandwagon, Rash? I thought you liked norwegians..
I have strictly work-related relationships with the Norwegians.
A pointless reply.
##VOTE: Arches
He votes for Arches.
I'm gonna stick with my initial choice and vote for Arches, Demon Hunters cannot be trusted.
He reminds us he thinks "Arches is bad", and he is sticking with him. Pointless post.
Its now day two, he hasn't contributed anything, then Vorte votes for him:
Thanks for the random vote Vorte, you "got me out" :P
Rash as someone who is normally very active on the forums and discord, you haven't posted much at all.
I can assure you my low post count is entirely because of time constraints. Despite Hugman being very active, I don't believe he's mafia, he's clearly trying to get to the bottom of this and win. But if I'm gonna be honest, I don't think there are any good points being made at all, nothing is even remotely convincing to me.
I wanna see what Kili has to contribute to the conversation today, though.
He has a low post count cos he is to busy, starts acting like he is backing me up, as I am clearly the most pro town, and then "is waiting for Kili to post". This is another pointless post, it contributes nothing to the town success.
And Finally:
I think Grishnag makes a good point about Archz and his safe voting, but I'm still gonna wait and see what Inexitus has to offer before I put my vote in today.
Agrees with Grish, as he is going after Arches. "Still waiting for Kili to post" Pointless.
So, in 60 hours, that's 5 posts. Most of which you can pretty much write off as filler, or non-contributing to town success. Either he is a really really bad townie, or as I am pretty certain of, he is Mafia.
Now hes a raid leader, who is raiding tonight, so I am pretty sure we will start hearing "OMG GUYS, HUGMAN IS GOING FOR ME, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO COUNTER HIM, COS IM RAID LEADING!", and likely his fellow Mafioso will attempt to defend or at least, switch the votes off him.
However, its end of day two, its almost been 60 hours, and hes done 5 rather small, non-helpful, filler posts. This is Mafia play. He may cry "oh but i didn't have the time! too busy!",
And yet, he had the time, to make a detail post, on the other part of the forum, about "What Mafia Is" (check it out for yourself).
Simply put, he is clearly scum in my eyes, and we need to Lynch him tonight!
Heh, Rash actions.
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I hope to god kili atleasts posts something today or we will have another mod kill.
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Someone poke him on whatsapp! fking kili.. !
Anyway I narrowed my suspects list to 3 persons, one of them being Phoenixflame who I voted for (for now). I'm around and following situation, as I haven't made my decision 100%.
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I gotta agree with hugman, revealing the special roles is definitely a mistake except as a desperation measure we do not have to take right now. Suggesting it either means you are inexperienced or have other special interests.
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Someone poke him on whatsapp! fking kili.. !
Anyway I narrowed my suspects list to 3 persons, one of them being Phoenixflame who I voted for (for now). I'm around and following situation, as I haven't made my decision 100%.
Allready poked him on WhatsApp
Also who are the other 2?
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Grish man, I hate to say it , but you have probably just mod killed yourself ???.
7. Posting any screenshot, pm or converstation you may or may not have with a host of the game, faked or real, will result in an instant modkill. Play the game, not the mods.
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well
fuck, should not have skimmed over the rules :(
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Why Grish would take my advice when he thinks that I'm scum AND he's not on the current voting roster is somewhat surprising. But I stand behind my suggestion, I think at this point having someone to rally around could be vital. Although I don't think you're allowed to post a direct quote either, Grish.
The reason I went back on my decision in retrospect was that lynching an AFK player would basically give the mafia a head start and I wasn't sure how much we'd be able to learn from our special roles over the night.
and then you voted for an afk person anyway.
I meant this as in after the voting was over, I realized how if we had all just agreed to band wagon Shimmar we wouldn't have gotten any information through voting.
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Go Vote Rash! While you can!
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So, I am in a bit of a pickle here. I am growing more confident that Hugman is town, but switching my vote over to someone else that may turn out to be town will look even worse than voting for a player widely accepted as town in the first place. Needless to say my previous list requires some revision. I am glad you picked up on Rash's post somewhere else on the forum Hug, as that pretty much voids his excuse for not posting anything of relevance.
I really want to switch to Rash, but I am terrified of the consequences should he turn out to be town. No matter how hard I explain myself afterwards that will come back and bite me in the ass at some point when someone is going for me.
Ideal situation for me right now is that someone that hasn't voted yet, and that agrees with Hugman's reasoning, make sure that Rash hangs tonight. I will however switch to Rash before the bell if it comes to that, as I am willing to risk ruining my own credibility for the best chance we have at lynching scum.
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Phoenixflame - 2
Hugman - 1
Grilldyret - 1
Rashkebab - 2
Mouseh - 1
Archz - 1
8/11
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I'm gonna have to say that Hugman does at least have a tiny bit of reasoning regarding Rash. I do like being the nail in the coffin vote since that might exonerate me if he's scum. Should he be innocent however..
Phoenixflame - 2
Hugman - 1
Grilldyret - 1
Rashkebab - 3
Mouseh - 1
Archz - 1
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well
fuck, should not have skimmed over the rules :(
Working on this atm..... Continue play as normal for now please .
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Hi all, sorry for the delay, really busy day, but I've been reading everything and formulating what to write.
Firstly I really hope to god people let go of the narration thing.
Secondly, I have to agree that voting for Shimmar was a wasted vote really, since he was going to be mod killed anyway. In fairness I didn't vote for him because I thought he was going to be inactive, by that logic I would have voted for Grilly or Tyler, because by the time I had cast my vote on Shimmar they hadn't even posted yet.
Thirdly, I think it could be a blessing that Tyler was lynched since he hadn't been as active as previous games because of real life and the town is stronger with people being more active. I realize how ironic this is as I write it, but aside from today I've been fairly active okay? I do think it's weird that the mafia would kill Tyler though, since surely it's in their benefit to have a weak town? Maybe they made the decision based on his performances in previous games? Still confused about that one, I thought for sure they'd go after a more active poster. But maybe because it was day 1 we had no good theories / leads and aren't even close to picking up on who they are? Or maybe the active posters are the Mafia and it's all a huge double bluff ARG!
I think there is some strong evidence that I am town, as you already pointed out people were voting for me and am I correct in saying had Shimmar not been mod killed I would have been lynched? Since I was the first of both of us to get to 3 votes? By the time Grilly had voted, I was on 3 first. I'm going off Archz voting analysis post, but only he voted after and that was to switch from Tyler to Shimmar after Tyler had posted. Nothing was actively done to move the lynch off me, so I would be dead if not for Shimmars activity?
I kind of agree that what Phoenix is proposing does seem a little far fetched, I paused when I read it. For me he's a suspect on that basis but also his defense seem really weak.
Rashkebab does seem to be avoiding posting, why are you waiting for me? There are plenty of other players? Is it the narration thing from round 1? That's the only thing I can think of.
I'm completely on the fence about Archz, Grishnag, Mouseh, Grilly and Hugman, they contribute a lot so for now I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and thinking Town. But of that lot I am most suspicious of Hugman playing a huge double bluff and Archz attempting to appear amateur at the game.
I think Vorte and Yoica seem to be flying under the radar a little, they've posted but not too much activity from them.
At the moment my vote is on Phoenix though for the reasons stated above.
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Holy shit, that went south quickly..
My first day vote was completely random, obviously. Using it as an argument to suggest I'm mafia even though nobody had any information is silly.
I have also never said that I wasn't able to post, you merely brought it up because you saw I was reading the thread without posting on it. I've been here every evening and I've been doing my best to find out anything conclusive. At that time the only conclusion I could make was that I thought it was suspicious that Kili hadn't shown up or voted yet.
The other post I've made is simply a quick post I had to make because several people have asked me what Mafia is and how it's played. But that's apparently also now evidence for me just not contributing anything, even though I'm just doing my job as guild CEO.
So you've completely constructed this gibbet you're pushing me on with your own fabricated evidence that is not even remotely conclusive. Even though there are several other people who are flying under the radar or are in the exact same boat as me in terms of not throwing out accusations randomly.
I realize that being aggressive against Hugman is going to make me look suspicious, but I guess that's just how mob-justice works. So all I can say is that you carefully analyse Hugman's "evidence" and decide for yourself if it's actually worth anything. All I can say now is that you're making a big mistake and I hope you'll reconsider.
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The other post I've made is simply a quick post I had to make because several people have asked me what Mafia is and how it's played. But that's apparently also now evidence for me just not contributing anything, even though I'm just doing my job as guild CEO.
So you've completely constructed this gibbet you're pushing me on with your own fabricated evidence that is not even remotely conclusive. Even though there are several other people who are flying under the radar or are in the exact same boat as me in terms of not throwing out accusations randomly.
I realize that being aggressive against Hugman is going to make me look suspicious, but I guess that's just how mob-justice works. So all I can say is that you carefully analyse Hugman's "evidence" and decide for yourself if it's actually worth anything. All I can say now is that you're making a big mistake and I hope you'll reconsider.
Blah blah blah, "I was investigating Kili" nothing constructive towards town victory. Another Mafia post.
Give specifics and logical conclusions or get Lynched, this is how town plays. I have posted my specifics and laid out my case using them.
Mafia try whenever possible to not be specific, like so:
So you've completely constructed this gibbet you're pushing me on with your own fabricated evidence that is not even remotely conclusive. Even though there are several other people who are flying under the radar or are in the exact same boat as me in terms of not throwing out accusations randomly.
Who is "flying under the radar" or "in the same boat as me", he doesn't give specifics, because it leads to obvious breaks in his theory.
Defending yourself when accused is fine. Having someone attack you directly like me, and getting aggressive back is also fine. Its how me and Tyler worked out we were both Townies in the first game. If you get attacked, and then spend most of the last few hours lurking in the thread, and then post something like this:
I realize that being aggressive against Hugman is going to make me look suspicious, but I guess that's just how mob-justice works. So all I can say is that you carefully analyse Hugman's "evidence" and decide for yourself if it's actually worth anything. All I can say now is that you're making a big mistake and I hope you'll reconsider.
you are playing passively, which is what the mafia do. He doesn't defend himself, except to appeal to sympathy and wants you to "make up your own conclusions". This is Mafia play. Why? cos its a lot harder to actually come up with facts and quotes which defend your position, when you haven't done any. Rash if he was playing pro town, is smarter than this. He's playing like this, cos he is forced to, cos he is Mafia.
Why not just attack me back? Because I am and clearly have been actively pro town. It wouldn't work. Mafia have to spread confusion and doubt to win. Its the only way they live long enough. So he has to make you doubt he could be Mafia. A townie would fight back, with logic and facts. Mafioso don't really have that choice, and they are forced to act/vote in a way which is irrational to win.
So he takes the lazy route, and goes, "OEH NO HUGMAN, HE MISTAKEN, DON'T HANG ME! IT COULD BE WRONG!!!.
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Its time to nut up or shut up Bitches!
So after last nights travesty (fucking Shimmar), we really need a town Lynch.
I feel Rash is clearly Mafia.
Some of you feel the same way. The votes are retardedly spread. Stop being ineffective and vote Rash.
Grilly, worry less about about if people will think you are scub if Im wrong (which I am not), and more about how getting a successful Mafia kill will help the town. We are not all out for ourselves, we have to win as a team.
SO GO FUCKING CHANGE YOU VOTE TO RASH.
Either you are with us, or you are not, AND I AM SURE AS HELL PAYING ATTENTION TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT!
He who dares, wins.
Its day two. Lets get a Mafia Lynch
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Well I don't think I don't even need a better reason than just saving my life to switch my vote to Rash. Hugman is making good points though, join us and lynch this dutchman!
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Cwave could we get a tally, and who hasn't voted/and or posted?
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The vote thread is quite easy to read.
It's phoenixflame and rash on 3. But phoenix got his votes first so he is dying for now.
Interesting to see that phoenix shifted to rash trying to survive. So they don't seem to be aligned.
On the other hand he could be trying to appear innocent if they have decided that one of them will die tonight.
I don't really read as much scum in to rashs behaviour as hugman and Im still not convinced that hugman isn't just playing the pro mafioso game. I don't really see what he has been doing that is so protown since we have no idea if his theories and guesses have anything to do with being town or mafia.
Don't be fooled by his assertions although they might be right.
Reading scummy behavior is not always easy. We have seen so many blues get killed with behavior like rashs.
I still feel most confident about grilldyret I think he is playing stupid.
And phoenixflame is going down right now which I can only stop by voting for rash and I am not confident he mafia yet.
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Cwave could we get a tally, and who hasn't voted/and or posted?
nope sorry, gotta work that out yourself :)
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Cwave could we get a tally, and who hasn't voted/and or posted?
nope sorry, gotta work that out yourself :)
God dammit.
Is there anyone who hasn't posted today, and who hasn't voted. We can't afford another Shimmar.
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How is recklessly attacking other people in order to change their mind about me "not mafia". You're literally just pointing to anything I do and saying "that's mafia". Look, I'm not attacking you back or anyone else because I'm merely trying to convince people that I'm not mafia, but I can be as specific as you want me to be, but it has nothing to do with me.
Mouse, Kili, Vorte, Yoica and Grax are all flying under the radar and are more likely mafia than me. And your strategy of taking on the leadership as townie are classic mafia tactics, I've never trusted people who play like that ever since Sidestep fucked me with that in London.
But I'm sure you'll go on to describe every single sentence I've just wrote as "mafia behavior" while telling other people that merely looking at a thread or writing semi-related forum posts are also "mafia behavior"
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Also Grish, my above post is true for you too.
So go switch you vote to Rashkebab.
It aint over till the Fat Cwave sings!
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And phoenixflame is going down right now which I can only stop by voting for rash and I am not confident he mafia yet.
Rash has 4 votes to his name right now. He's going down. #KillRash2016
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well
fuck, should not have skimmed over the rules :(
Working on this atm..... Continue play as normal for now please .
Can i get an awnser please, don't really want to get modkilled by me bieng a bit rusty on the mafia thing
Also Grish, my above post is true for you too.
So go switch you vote to Rashkebab.
It aint over till the Fat Cwave sings!
I am not changing my vote, unless i have some hard evidence he is one, also he is the only one to not have voted yet.
Also phoenix your second vote doesn't count unless you unvote first.
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You make some compelling arguments concerning Rash. I believe both he and phoenix are mafia so I'm going to leave my vote on phoenix. This will also prevent the mafia from doing any last minute bandwagoning to save Rash, because that will cause phoenix to be lynched.
Both scenarios are a win for townies!
Rash, Kili I'm curious as to why you think I'm flying under the radar? I think I've been pretty active in posting AND pointing my reasoning for why I think someone is mafia. Is it just because noone has actually voted for me? Please give your reasoning.
Current vote
Rash 4
Phoenix 3
Grill, Hug, Arch, Mouse all on 1
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And unless I missed it only Rash still needs to vote.
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I think Vorte and Yoica seem to be flying under the radar a little, they've posted but not too much activity from them.
Sorry, had a full day of uni and work. I am keeping that vote on Rash, the whole "I'm waiting for Kili" shit makes no sense to me. Who'd know it would be so easy to find a mobster? My apologies if he's just a weirdo.
Speaking of weird, Archz. I am not following the whole "out the blues!" logic, we still outnumber the mafia by quite some margin. Blues get more powerful as the game goes on, not the other way around.
I don't really read as much scum in to rashs behaviour as hugman and Im still not convinced that hugman isn't just playing the pro mafioso game. I don't really see what he has been doing that is so protown since we have no idea if his theories and guesses have anything to do with being town or mafia.
Don't be fooled by his assertions although they might be right.
He sure is playing one hell of a game if he's Mafia.
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How is recklessly attacking other people in order to change their mind about me "not mafia". You're literally just pointing to anything I do and saying "that's mafia". Look, I'm not attacking you back or anyone else because I'm merely trying to convince people that I'm not mafia, but I can be as specific as you want me to be, but it has nothing to do with me.
Mouse, Kili, Vorte, Yoica and Grax are all flying under the radar and are more likely mafia than me. And your strategy of taking on the leadership as townie are classic mafia tactics, I've never trusted people who play like that ever since Sidestep fucked me with that in London.
But I'm sure you'll go on to describe every single sentence I've just wrote as "mafia behavior" while telling other people that merely looking at a thread or writing semi-related forum posts are also "mafia behavior"
I am not going to even bother to respond to this.
Look guys, its simple. As you can see I am going hard to get Rash killed. Either: 1. I am right, and Rash is Mafia, and we get a Mafia Lynch or 2. I am wrong and we get a townie killed. Or 3. you spread votes, and lets say Phoenix ends up being hanged (either townie or mafia)
Situation 1 is awesome for town, and forwards us winning. I am pretty damm certain of this as you can see.
Situation 2. is a possibility if you believe i am Mafia (which I am not) then what? I get lynched as Mafia, on day 3? and they have just traded one townie for what Mafia? This means we are still ahead on people, and we now have a lot of data to work with to root out the rest.
Situation 3. Phoenix gets lynched due to shitty spread votes, he turns up red. Great! but now you have no fucking idea about me nor Rash. So, yeah. That's kinda ok i guess? but not the most pro town, as we have less data to work with.
Situation 4. Phoenix gets Lynched and turns up Green. Greaaaaat. Now what? Is Rash Mafia? Is Hugman? The votes are fucking spread so its hard to tell who was intentionally getting him killed, and who was duped into. Your have very little data to work with. This is the worst result imo.
So since I have FUCKING PUT MY NECK OUT THERE for the sake of the town, stop being ineffective, and MOVE YOU FUCKING VOTE TO RASH.
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I was hanging on to my vote in case I could swing it in some direction to save myself, but it looks like everyone's mind has been made up :(
So I'm just gonna vote for Hugman because he's clearly the guy with a pre-defined strategy and I wouldn't trust him. Especially now that he's pressuring other people into voting for me, even though he already has the votes he needs to lynch me.
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So I'm just gonna vote for Hugman because he's clearly the guy with a pre-defined strategy and I wouldn't trust him. Especially now that he's pressuring other people into voting for me, even though he already has the votes he needs to lynch me.
Yeah, that's quite simple, I have the votes, but I don't want to risk your Mafia buddies switching at the last moment and have the chance of killing a green.
I bet you turn out to be the Dutch hooker.
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Calm down Hug, your word isn't god.
Phoenix isn't high on vote because of shitty spread. He's high because people think he is mafia before you convinced ppl rash is.
Like I said you make a compelling argument for Rash. The current vote as 2 mafia (in my book) on 1st and 2nd place this is the PERFECT situation for townie.
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Also, whaaaaaaaaat?
You put you vote on me? THATS LIKE THE MOST MAFIA THING YOU COULD DO! Its not even a protest vote! Its like well my votes wasted, so I better put it on Hugman and maybe, maybe someone would have pity and switch off me.
IF YOU REALLY WERE GREEN, YOU WOULD PUT THE VOTE ON PHOENIX. There is no logical reason not to if you are town.
Really.
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Actually the fact that Rash didn't vote phoenix only strengthens my conviction both are guilty. Rash is probably the goon sacrificing himself to protect the abilities of phoenix.
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Actually the fact that Rash didn't vote phoenix only strengthens my conviction both are guilty. Rash is probably the goon sacrificing himself to protect the abilities of phoenix.
This would be possible if there wasn't 3 mafia currently in the game.
But there is.
So it isnt.
Unless you feel they are the three who are not voting for either Rash or Phoenix.
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Rash, why are you not even trying to save yourself by attempting to sway someone into voting for Phoenix? Not all minds are made up here, as there are still 4 (5?) loose votes. Personally I wouldn't change my vote to save your hide, but voting Hugman at this point is equivalent to conceding.
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I'm not following you here Hug. I basically said the same thing you did.
IF YOU REALLY WERE GREEN, YOU WOULD PUT THE VOTE ON PHOENIX. There is no logical reason not to if you are town.
The only logical idea behind him not voting for phoenix is that phoenix is ALSO a mafia.
How does the third invalidate what I'm saying? Most likely the third has voted for one of the two or just one of the random ppl that only has 1 vote. It really doesn't influence,
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I see that Hugman is spewing arguments faster than I can type them.. :)
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Oh how I look forward to the lynch.
If rash is actually just a green that isnt convinced that phoenix is mafia and because he is green, is pretty sure that Hugman is mafia.
His vote doesnt save himself if he votes for phoenix, he is still going down.
Id say if yoica and hugman are right, then Rash and Phoenix are playing shitpoorly. If we have strong mafiosa it would be someone completely different.
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Hugmans argument about not using real examples is so silly imo. There still only data from the votes and the murder. The rest of your data is totally personal and your own evaluation of personalities.
Tomorrow we will have a lot of data unless we lose our lynch because of grishniggga.
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If you are mafia you can use lots of real quotes and examples to sway people in the wrong direction.
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Especially since Mafia actually knows who are green and red they can just support everyone with wrong ideas.
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Tomorrow we will have a lot of data unless we lose our lynch because of grishniggga.
I really hope not.
I hope cwave is a mercifull god and sees past this infraction because i was bieng stupid not thinking that quoting private messages would also be bannable, i mean i figured screenshots would be, why wouldn't be quoting too.
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And this is the point i point out, your vote Gaieos, is still on Grillyret.
The question is why?
If you are town, this is a wasted vote.
Put it on Rash.
Not gonna strong arm you, but I sure as hell going to question why, at this point and this close, its still on grillyret.
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I really hope we do not have to deal with two modkills on townies..That'd be pretty rough.
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Because then all the townies was just copy the pm to prove they are townies and the 3 ppl that don't are..... wait for it...... the mafia!!
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was = would
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The Grish Stratagem.
Brilliant.
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Just because you let one infraction slide to keep the sides balanced does not mean you would not punish further ones.
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Because then all the townies was just copy the pm to prove they are townies and the 3 ppl that don't are..... wait for it...... the mafia!!
Screenshots are harder to fake than quotes though, just saying.
Also i don't really care if cwave modkills me, he has every right too, i should have read the rules better.
It's just that this fucks up the game for everyone else, i mean if i were mafia i wouldn't want an easy victory, and as town it just feels shitty to have not one but two people modkilled, especially because one was bieng an idiot.
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Its not exactly hard for mafia to produce a fake quote from a PM based on the posted pms.
Right now Rash is still dying hugman. My changed vote would change nothing, I would just be trying to show something silly. I am not convinced he is mafia as you are.
I could of course switch to Phoenixflame and save rash. But as I mentioned, I have no clear signals against either of the two, I just have on grilly. So changing my vote would be stupid.
The clear reasoning being: 1. it wouldnt change a thing 2. I dont agree with your assesment of his guilt.
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The current reads are in my opinion based on the mafiaplayers being really bad at mafia.
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Understood.
See guys! Logic!
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Agrh, damn guys! I need to do my m+ and I can't as this is getting just too damn good. I agree that Rash on 1st and Phoenix on 2nd place is a good for the town, cuz however situation goes we'll find out a lot. Can't wait for the lynch, super excited!
Also, #save_the_grishnag !
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Hype!
The Dutch Hooker is going down!
Its like Raid night! Except we are raiding Rash!
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you know hugman if you are town, you aren't making yourself popular like this, posting a bunch of non posts that you are doing right now isn't exactly usefull for your cause.
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The circle of an empty day is brutal and at night it tightens around your neck like a noose.
As the mob hung the rope around the neck of Rashkebab, he made his final plea, reminding the group they were making a big, hairy mistake. The mob was having none of it and Grishnag, the one picked by the group to do the actual hanging, tightened the noose even further.
As he kicked down the handle and the trapdoor gave way, Rash was kebab. As it was becoming harder and harder to breath for him, a transformation was underway. He morphed out of his clothes and the noose snapped like a rubber band as Rash grew out into his real form.
Rashkebab was now Ursoc the Mighty and started trashing around him.
“So that’s what he ment with us making a mistake”, Grishnag cackled.
Grishnag had been waiting for this moment as he suspected Rash not to be just a bear of a man, but an actual full-on demonic bear, possessed once again. After Yogg-saron corrupted this poor pile of flesh, now Xavius had him under his spell, tormenting his spirit. What’s with druids being so hilariously prone to corruption, Grishnag thought.
(https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/GDODF1WXK94A1473811725589.jpg)
Ursoc lunged towards the group of raiders with a Roaring Cacophony and a first Nightmare image appeared. As Grishnag knew this would end horrible for Iron Edge raiders and their lack of ability to not stand in fire/aids of any color, she morphed into her true form, revealing her true identity and absorbing all the raid wide damage and having her flesh rended.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IVDfe5HMwGo/VBynt1sSeDI/AAAAAAAAALU/BJMYj3RbxGo/s1600/ma.PNG)
She grabbed onto the bear and threw him and herself down the maelstrom, saving the raid which was doing soggy dps from behind.
(http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/33/1471343020-loadscreen-maelstrom-full.jpg)
Grishnag aka Warden Maiev Shadowsong and Named Town has been modkilled for posting his PM in the thread • Welcome, Grishnag, you are Warden Maiev Shadowsong, and the Named Town.
Abilities:
• You have no special abilities other than that you can claim your title and alignment.
Win condition:
• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.
Rashkebab aka Ursoc the Mighty and the Mafia Roleblocker has been lynched
Welcome, Rashkebab, you are Ursoc the Mighty and the Mafia Roleblocker.
Abilities:
• Each night phase, you may attempt to block another player from performing their own action (if any).
• Each night phase, you and your fellow Mafia players pick one target to eliminate.
Win condition:
• You win when all townies have been eliminated.
It’s now Night 2. Don’t forget to send in your actions.
Night 2 end tomorrow morning 11:00 GMT+1 19-10-2016
(I’ve discussed the possible actions with a couple outside of the game concerning the modkill etc and this is the fairest way to go. Let’s try and get a day/night cycle with no modkill)
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Well played, but so much for my goon theory :(
Phoenix is next!
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Gz hugman. So Rash was a special mafia.
Only two left to go. I have learned that I need to stop overestimating players.
By that logic I should probably maybe consider that Grilldyret did not understand.
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yeeey! gj guys! i almost hope that Phoenix isn't mafia as well, as it would be pretty boring (and short) game ;o
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Nice work hugman, that really took a sharp turn for Rash there but I'm glad he's been brought to justice.
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Two to go! I'll call that a success, even with Grishnag paying the modkillultimate price. Set some alarm on your phones once a day to avoid being close to the post/vote deadline. Kili came pretty close, from the whatsapp spam I felt in my pocket while at work.
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Go go team suicide squad! Get it?
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I just had a massive deja vu. Hugman's aggressive play on a one player who turns out to be mafia. That is exactly how Palmar played a game where he was the godfather. He attacked one of his own and got the town to lynch him. After that Palmar got a wrong lynch (or 2?) and with the mafia kills at night they ended up winning.
We need to be careful, because we've lost 3 townies to 1 mafia so the ratio is more or less the same as when we started.
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I just had a massive deja vu. Hugman's aggressive play on a one player who turns out to be mafia. That is exactly how Palmar played a game where he was the godfather. He attacked one of his own and got the town to lynch him. After that Palmar got a wrong lynch (or 2?) and with the mafia kills at night they ended up winning.
I just.... There are no words.
I manage as a green townie, to push through a Lynch on a Mafia, with great resistance from quite a few "townies", and I get this?
Don't worry Yoica, we will take a look at you tomorrow. You didn't make it easy, and we shall look into that.
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Just read it and tell me you don't see the similarities.
http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6283.150 (http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?topic=6283.150)
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I haven't actually accused you directly, yet. I'm just not going to accept you as garanteed townie due to past experiences.
You can look at me all you want. I'm a townie plain and simple.
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Since I fully expect either myself or hugman to be killed tonight.
I'll say right now that based on the current info I still have every intention to vote for Phoenix tmw.
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Yeah we should definitely consider lynching Hugman tomorrow just for good measure
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Hugman being godfather would be freaking awesome!
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Nice! ;D Well played Hugman, I was worried how it might look if Rash turned out to be Townie or even Special Role townie, getting a Mafia this early is a success. But to think we could have done it with Shimmar and Grishnag intact.. Damn if you turn out to be the godfather though...
Archz is that a serious suggestion to lynch Hugman?
Yoica I can see why Hugman would be murdered he was very vocal and aggressive but why do you think you'd be next to go? I will read the post you link from the previous game, just posting quickly in bed ATM.
Can someone who has time do another vote analysis.
Phoenix is yet to convince me he is town, I'd like to see a convincing argument he's town as he's currently sat top of my suspects list. For the same reasons as yesterday.
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So why didn't Rash fight for his life? Why did nobody try to defend him?
Clever mafia would make sure both of the other mafia got on that kill rash bandwagon to get some credit.
Phoenixflame did switch to Rash, but was generally very quiet.
Another thing is that Rashkebab changed his vote to Hugman. Knowing that Rash is Mafia that could easily be to try to make Hugman seem innocent?
Phoenix fits the template of being mafia and since the mafia sacrificed the roleblocker to save him, he could likely be the godfather.
So the question is if Hugman is the goon or it is someone completely off the radar.
As far as I remember Hugman is playing his usual town game, we should go meta and read up on the old games.
Im not quite understanding why Yoica fears so much for his life.
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This is what I've been using to keep track of the votes.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cug9IYNtsqvyPrEkQBjXNSmAgMjaAfg7p1acgMih8gg/edit?usp=sharing
Each column is a new vote. So Hug voted for Vorte 1st, then I did Inexcitus, Grish did Gaeios, etc.
I put myself near the top of my 'who I would kill' list because I'm the only townie I'm 100% sure that is a townie. I'm fairly convinced Hug is a townie as well, but as linked above it wouldn't blindside me to find out he is mafia.
Gaeios and Grilly both make good analitical post, but day2 they vote on random ppl that has no practical chance to get lynched nor do they push their suspect foward when they notice others aren't joining in their vote. In other words fairly safe play for a mafia and not effective play for a townie.
Honestly the rest are a lot to read due to the lower frequency in their posting.
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So why didn't Rash fight for his life? Why did nobody try to defend him?
Clever mafia would make sure both of the other mafia got on that kill rash bandwagon to get some credit.
Indeed, we will have to look at this.
Another thing is that Rashkebab changed his vote to Hugman. Knowing that Rash is Mafia that could easily be to try to make Hugman seem innocent.
You could think that, but it's highly unlikely. Since I was the guy who instigated and pushed through the kill on Rash, and you may think both me and Rash are both, Mafia though it's very unlikely, and easily checked by the cop. The other implication that me, Rash and Phoenix are all Mafia is really really statistically unlikely. So what we all 3 happen to be Mafia and I roll a vote on Rash which also has a chance of getting the "3rd Mafia" Phoenix killed as well? Pretty damm stupid. It's time to check the voting records and who was resisting the lynch.
Im not quite understanding why Yoica fears so much for his life.
Yeah what's up with this? I could be killed cos of my activity but Yoica? Not sure why he's so worried?
Anyway on a train to work, let's see the night kill and check votes.
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Asking for a cop to check you is pointless if you are the Godfather ;)
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Asking for a cop to check you is pointless if you are the Godfather ;)
This is true. But me being the god father is a 1/13 chance, keep that in mind.
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Asking for a cop to check you is pointless if you are the Godfather ;)
Yeah the easily checked by COP suggestion is just silly. We dont know who the cop is, and he shouldnt reveal himself furthermore if you are the godfather then it would be a false positive.
Do we get the murder in 15 minutes?
And no its 1/10 and probably 1/9 very soon.
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But Rash was also 1/11 and you were pretty damn sure about that.
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Lovely quiet day at the office, almost completely empty because of autumn holidays.
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Having briefly checks you spreadsheet (which is quite useful if accurate) I have two points:
1. It assumes you are town, which from our point of view is a silly assumption.
2. Per the set up list, town should have 1cop, 1 doctor and one other special role (unless "named" doesn't count as one, even then it's 1/3 chance) so yeah that needs to be modified.
Nothing in there indicates why you would be so concerned of being killed tonight. Furthermore. The timing of posting this, BEFORE the night is over would make you MORE likely to be killed, this seems suspicious.
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Good morning! Does the night ends 11am or 11pm?
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Good morning! Does the night ends 11am or 11pm?
In 2 minutes, the night ends.
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“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.”
And fly Hugman did as he got zipped through several dimensions, ending up in the Emerald Nightmare. As he gained his footing, Hugman found himself surrounded by Shadow Pounders. He recognized one of his fellow Iron Edge raiders who stood before himself.
(http://cdn.blizzardwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Cenarius-Header.png)
“Such a weak and simple subject, I’m already bored. I’ll just squash you like a bug and be done with it” the Raider said.
“Simple' does not mean 'easy'. I have learned that the things that seem the simplest are often the most powerful of all.”
Hugman replied as he threw off his raider disguise and showed his true from of the Orc Shaman Thrall, Son of Durotan.
(https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/hearthstone.gamepedia.com/thumb/5/53/Thrall_art3.jpg/314px-Thrall_art3.jpg)
The raider also threw off his human disguise and exposed himself, horns, hoofs and all. And epic battle ensued, many spells were cast and sadly, that one damn Shadow Pounder in the back was the one that got an hold of Thrall, The following Descent into Madness spell on him turned his body into a creature of madness. Maybe an raid expansion would see him getting freed by a brave group of IE raiders. For now, his spirit would wonder around in Azeroth.
(http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/guide/images/10574.jpg)
Hugman aka Thrall, son of Durotan and the Town Cop has been killed.
Its’s now day 3. Day 3 ends tomorrow morning 11:00 GMT+1 20-10-2016.
Don’t forget to vote!
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Uh, in case I get killed, one thing I would write: I was looking at vote pattern and previous posts, specially trying to figure out who that "old school IEdger" might be. Gaeios came up on first place, followed by Yoica. Hugman being mafia would be damn fun, but I think it is far fetched now, tho should be considered, especially if in future he keeps suggesting targets for lynching (townies).
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Ok scratch that part with Hugman lol. Our doctor couldn't protect him, especially with their roleblocker dead? I'm not asking for a doctor to reveal himself tho.
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Well that explains why Hug pushed for Rash so hard.
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We didn't know he was cop so how was the doctor supposed to know to protect him?
In hindsight Hug should've come out as the cop and asked for protection, but would we have believed him? I probably wouldn't have.
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Awesome! I actually almost posted in my post this morning that I suspected he was either mafia or cop because he was so extremely sure about rash. He probably investigated him the previous night.
Its not a huge loss to lose hugman since he probably already managed to identify a mafia and one of the other mafia would turn up green anyway.
So again we need to decide if the mafia are playing good or bad. If they are playing well they could kill hugman because he was already pointing at the right players and then stop a player with the right idea.
Or they could kill him to make us think he was right and thus lead us to kill Phoenix.
I'd like some posts from especially phoenix and grilldyret today.
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It doesn't matter if he was a cop, he was someone who played very well for town and got one of the mafia killed last lynch. I would guess he was a first on their hitlist. I wonder who did doctor protect if not him.
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God damn it.. How the fuck did the doctor not realize that Hugman was the cop and should have been protected. I thought that went without saying, although he probably should have come forward after the lynch on Rash anyways
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Yoica was very vocal about how likely he was going to die that night. Maybe that led the doctor to protect him?
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Looking back, he said it was basically 50/50 between him and Hug, so I don't think we should read anything into it.
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I know Hug is dead, but he post relevant questions that others will wonder about as well.
Having briefly checks you spreadsheet (which is quite useful if accurate) I have two points:
1. It assumes you are town, which from our point of view is a silly assumption.
It definitely is, but this is spreadsheet I've been using for myself. Since 2 ppl asked for a vote overview this was the easiest and will be kept up to date.
2. Per the set up list, town should have 1cop, 1 doctor and one other special role (unless "named" doesn't count as one, even then it's 1/3 chance) so yeah that needs to be modified.
Anyone understand what Hug means here? I have 1 cop, 1 doctor and 1 named on the list so I'm don't know what needs to be modified.
Nothing in there indicates why you would be so concerned of being killed tonight. Furthermore. The timing of posting this, BEFORE the night is over would make you MORE likely to be killed, this seems suspicious.
Because I can't post the spreadsheet if I'm dead and wouldn't it have been better to lose a simple townie over one with a role?
Its not a huge loss to lose hugman since he probably already managed to identify a mafia and one of the other mafia would turn up green anyway.
It is a huge loss he could've still found uncovered 50% of the mafia, but it's a moot point now.
Nothing has changed my opinion on Phoenix. So he gets my vote again. Depending on how the next 24 hrs this is subject to change ofc.
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Yeah. Hes scum. Pretty damm certain of it.
I will elaborate in my next post.
(...) Simply put, he is clearly scum in my eyes, and we need to Lynch him tonight!
Go Vote Rash! While you can!
Its day two. Lets get a Mafia Lynch
Also Grish, my above post is true for you too.
So go switch you vote to Rashkebab.
So since I have FUCKING PUT MY NECK OUT THERE for the sake of the town, stop being ineffective, and MOVE YOU FUCKING VOTE TO RASH.
Its like Raid night! Except we are raiding Rash!
I mean Jesus Christ, he was either an insane townie or a cop. The idea that he was the Godfather and threw a mafia under the bus on day two is a play over my weight class at least. I did my part trying to spread a little doubt on the off chance that the doctor wouldn't protect Hugman, or planting the seed that maybe we didn't trust him and they shouldn't go for him. Can't protect my reasoning all too well there, I was tired at the time and didn't want to post too much to give the mafia a better idea over who they should kill next.
Now why Hugman didn't come forward as cop when he found rash, that I do support. Well played from Hug I'd say, since now we got some votes that actually cast some light on some players. If he had come out as cop then the mafia would just had been "ok shit, gotta throw Rash under the bus now". Since there was some doubt, then I feel that the votes, particularly the deciding votes when it still could swing to Phoenixflame, carry more weight.
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Yoica he could have found 50% of the mafia or he could have given 50% of the mafia an alibi.
So looking at vote history.
Vorte voted for Shimmar but started the bandwagon for Rash last night. Thats a green indication.
Grilldyret Voted for Inexcitus( who appears to be green) and then started the votes on hugman yesterday. That is a red indication.
Arches followed the Rash bandwagen as third vote, which was the start of the end for rash. So either it was a green indication or he did it to save phoenixflame, who would then also have to be mafia.
Inexcitus did shimmar and then Phoenix as no.3 The vote for phoenix didnt really change anything and he didnt switch to rash. Hard to base a colour on that, but based on first night I still consider him a safe green.
Mouse: She really hates Phoenix, she voted for him both times. I guess mainly based on his quietness, which is usually not a bad idea, since quiet people are not really useful.
Yoica: Voted for inexcitus first which I consider green. and then Phoenixflame. I would say that Phoenix and Yoica cant both be mafia. So if Phoenix is considered mafia I would consider Yoica Green.
So my prime suspects are pretty much, Phoenix, Grilly and Arches, with grilly being more likely than Arches.
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Arches followed the Rash bandwagen as third vote, which was the start of the end for rash. So either it was a green indication or he did it to save phoenixflame, who would then also have to be mafia.
I'm more than willing to cast my vote on Phoenix today if that's what it takes. I'm getting a feeling now that he might be the doctor though :p
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Arches followed the Rash bandwagen as third vote, which was the start of the end for rash. So either it was a green indication or he did it to save phoenixflame, who would then also have to be mafia.
I'm more than willing to cast my vote on Phoenix today if that's what it takes. I'm getting a feeling now that he might be the doctor though :p
Uf dont plant the seed of doubt. Phoenixflames behaviour could easily be doctorplay, that would change my view on Yoica quite drastically though.
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mainly based on his quietness
My quietness? I am trying to do something and I did out my own guesses as to what has been happening, but anything I say is dismissed as retarded or suspicious. The suspicions started when I got vocal in the beginning. Now it's suspicious that I'm quiet. So I really don't know what you want me to do.
Here are some of my retarded and suspicious theories and feelings:
Yoica: Seems town to me just severely misguided in pursuing me.
Inexcitus: Talking about quietness. Still prime suspect material in my opinion, what does the rest think? He seems to have been cleared of most suspicions, I'm curious why.
Arches: Suspected him in the past just due to a general feeling but from his recent posts I get a pretty good impression of him being townie.
Mouseh: I cast my first vote, become prime suspect for her and then one of my voters dies. Call me a conspiracy nut all you will, I still believe in my theory. Also mostly quiet except when it is about getting me killed for some reason.
Grilly: Grilly's meta post - that is less about how he should vote but rather how voting and changes in votes and rash's actual role will affect his credibility - did not really resonate with me at all. Seems like an awful lot of thinking out loud trying to be convincing without commiting to anything. Also you will notice that ultimately he did not join the rash vote train that was nearly guaranteed to kill a mafioso. On the other hand, it is not like his vote was a deciding one and ultimately rash died anyway.
Grax: Grax is not accusing as heavily as other people here but I have to say he's making good arguments, even the ones against me.
Ultimately, I am still strongly suspecting Mouseh since what I laid out is the kind of mafia play I would do. It sounds ridiculous, but gets an easy townie lynching through and ultimately does the job. Also I don't think she would have been in a particularly bad position should her suspicions of me turn out to be wrong. Low-risk, medium-to-high-reward (high in case I turn out to be a special role).
My second suspect is still Inexcitus, but I'm way less convinced of that now due others dropping him as a suspect and would like to discuss the possibility of it a little more.
All in all, I have to say that it really is a shame the doctor made a mistake last night. Having Hug around now would be very valuable.
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My only reason not to suspect Kili is that he was voted to be lynched on night one.
And as far as I know nobody knew that the lynch would be cancelled because of the modkill.
Mafia could easily have moved that lynch in another direction. Both Grilly and Yoica participated in that lynch.
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The Mafia killed Hugman? I thought that'd be the obvious doctor save? Guess the mafia couldn't risk it even if the doctor save was on Hugman he'd probably be gone next round. So even if he had outed himself his life expectancy would only be 1/2 rounds at best, it would have been good to have him around though. I'm going to re-read Hugmans posts in more depth to see if there's anything in there as to who the next lynch might be well placed on. Well played Hugman though, hats off.
Still thinking a vote on Phoenix at this stage.
Why do you think he's the doctor Archz? Was your suggestion to lynch Hugman (before he died obviously) serious? You never answered that question and your reasoning for it.
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Inexcitus: Talking about quietness. Still prime suspect material in my opinion, what does the rest think? He seems to have been cleared of most suspicions, I'm curious why.
I'm pretty active pal, what forum are you reading?
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Also: Prime suspect what do the rest think? Please give a conclusive argument as to why people should vote to lynch me. Happy to hear it. Could you also along with that give a good one as to why you're innocent?
I want to use my vote well today, if you're town I don't want to waste it, persuade me.
You did switch from voting on Mouseh to Rash, that's the only positive thing I can see from your end.
But maybe you knew Rash was done for and wanted to save your ass the next day maybe because you're the Godfather?
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Why the hell wouldn't I switch my vote to rash? All arguments and suspicions aside, switching my vote to him saved my life unless two others switched to me. Not voting for him would have been dumb no matter what my or his role is.
But yeah I'm obviously mafia because I go for a target that I find probable with nobody else that wants to join me. Clear mafia play wasting my vote on someone i suspect instead of trying to vote for a townie that has more votes than just my own.
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Inexcitus: Talking about quietness. Still prime suspect material in my opinion, what does the rest think? He seems to have been cleared of most suspicions, I'm curious why.
Inexcitus is your prime suspect? Really? And then you wonder why I'm calling you out.. I don't have some grand scheme against you, my posts were only reaction to your illogical actions. If you are really a townie, then you are playing it badly i would say. Most of your posts are just screaming "I'm mafia" to me. But when you further think about it thats exactly what mafia wouldn't do, if they play smart. So you badly playing either mafia or town. And if smth doesn't change soon thats what going to get you killed.
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Complete non-answer. I am wondering why you guys dropped him as a suspect, I legitimately do. Please give me arguments as to why he isn't mafia and I'll gladly reconsider if it's convincing.
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Oh, and for the record: My prime suspect is still you. Ever since the start all you have done here is try and get me killed. I'm not surprised you don't come with an argument for Kili being townie but just want to paint me as a bad player, no matter my faction. I'm done replying to that bullshit so make a good case or I won't bother.
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I didn't want to repeat myself, but ok. Inexcitus dropped down on my suspect list as he was going to be lynched day1. Everybody thought so until the actual lynch when Cwave informed us about the new rule. Would mafia really allow that they lose 1 of their 3 on FIRST day? I didn't see any efforts of them trying to prevent it. I can look over again that situation but i think its clear.
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Oh, and for the record: My prime suspect is still you. Ever since the start all you have done here is try and get me killed. I'm not surprised you don't come with an argument for Kili being townie but just want to paint me as a bad player, no matter my faction. I'm done replying to that bullshit so make a good case or I won't bother.
Its OK if you suspect me, just make a good case and present it to others. I wish you good luck.
I didn't "come" with argument for kili being townie, argument is there within the actions/events, just need to look. I'll admit I can't be 100% sure but in MY list he went to bottom after day1. And you mentioned me first in your post so I was replying to your BS, not you mine. ;D
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I'm pretty active pal, what forum are you reading?
You made one post on day 2, preventing your modkill.
I didn't want to repeat myself, but ok. Inexcitus dropped down on my suspect list as he was going to be lynched day1. Everybody thought so until the actual lynch when Cwave informed us about the new rule. Would mafia really allow that they lose 1 of their 3 on FIRST day? I didn't see any efforts of them trying to prevent it. I can look over again that situation but i think its clear.
Well that's a good argument. I don't know why the mafia would sacrifice Kili on the first day. On the other hand, they could have inquired it privately and decided not to do anything about it as long as Shimmar doesn't post. That seems very unlikely though since they'd basically out themselves with that in case Shimmar does post and they had to switch votes. In that case there's not really much going for Kili so I retract my statement about him being prime suspect material.
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I don't know why the mafia would sacrifice Kili on the first day. On the other hand, they could have inquired it privately and decided not to do anything about it as long as Shimmar doesn't post.
Yes, that doesn't make any sense. Both Kili and Shimmar had 3 votes but Kili got there first so he was going to be lynched. If only one mafia added his vote to Shimmar, Kili would be saved (amusing all 3 mafia votes weren't on Shimmar already, but that would be stupid of them).
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typo: amusing* > assuming
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Phoenix, the argument that Mouseh has put forward has been made several times, by various people including myself. Are you reading all the posts?
Even if you didn't switch your vote, Rash was the first to receive a third vote, going by the rules, had it been a tie, he would still have been lynched. Moving your vote would be a good way to show you're a townie under the guise of actually being the Godfather and deciding that if anyone is to be sacrificed it's the Roleblocker. That's now my main reason for suspecting you.
I didn't post to prevent being mod killed, I made a post where I stated my thoughts and my stance clearly.
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I didn't post to prevent being mod killed, I made a post where I stated my thoughts and my stance clearly.
Sorry if that phrasing was bad, I meant that one post you made prevented you from being modkilled. That you didn't do it just to prevent your modkill should be obvious by its effort.
Even if you didn't switch your vote, Rash was the first to receive a third vote, going by the rules, had it been a tie, he would still have been lynched. Moving your vote would be a good way to show you're a townie under the guise of actually being the Godfather and deciding that if anyone is to be sacrificed it's the Roleblocker. That's now my main reason for suspecting you.
Oh shit, I didn't see that (wow, how believable!). Originally I only counted two votes for myself and three for rash and thought I was safe. When I saw your vote I thought I was done for so I switched my vote to "save my life" as said in the post I made when switching my vote.
But my mistake doesn't really matter, even if I was aware about rash getting the three votes first I'd still have switched my vote, purely to be on the safe side. It doesn't matter if I am a townie or part of the mafia and it doesn't matter if rash is a townie or part of the mafia, if it's gonna be another guy or me, you're damn right I'll make sure it's another guy. Any day, as any role, in any game of mafia. If me caring about staying alive makes me suspicious, I have no idea what I could prove to you.
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Christ, one busy day at work and I have 6 pages of posts to catch up on! I'm glad the activity level is skyrocketing, sorry for my inactivity so far today.
Gaeios and Grilly both make good analitical post, but day2 they vote on random ppl that has no practical chance to get lynched nor do they push their suspect foward when they notice others aren't joining in their vote. In other words fairly safe play for a mafia and not effective play for a townie.
My day 2 vote was cast to Hugman in order to see if someone would jump on the wagon there. It was the second vote of the day IIRC, the first one being Yoica's vote onto Phoenix. As I have stated before, I was pretty convinced that either Hug or Phoenix were mafia, so I decided to see if someone would suddenly start trying to push either one as that would have indicated mafia.
I did also voice my concerns of how it would make me look if I changed my vote to Rash and he turned out to be town, which is why I was sitting on the fence on that one.
Also, I did miss the initial point of why Inexcitus seems green after the day 1 attempted lynch, but I've caught on now since I re-read your explainations that ultimately resulted in you calling me a stupid player. (Which is fine, as I don't have much experience with mafia)
As for Phoenix, he is still having a go at Inexcitus. Either that's because he's a player on my own level, or he is trying to re-kindle the suspicions. With mainly 3 people going for Phoenix at the moment (Grax, Yoica, Mouseh) I would normally be happy to join the lynch on him, but if this lynch is constructed by the mafia with the help of unaware townies, it can go south very quickly. If he turns out red it's a huge win for us (Which also largely clears any suspicion towards these 3 players), and if he turns out green we know which 3 people to look into first after the hanging.
Let me describe a scenario:
Phoenixflame turns out red. Then there is one mafia remaining, and 4 people that most likely are green. (Inexcitus, Grax, Yoica, Mouseh). That leaves 3 people as main suspects (Archz, Vorte, Grilly). Then you can lynch the remaining suspects until you find the red one, as I am assuming I am still part of the victory even though I'm dead! I can promise you that I will follow your bandwagon at this point to make sure we outnumber the final red player till the end.
On the other hand:
Phoenixflame turns out green. Then there are two mafia remaining, and we have a shortlist of 3 people to look at the way I see it. (Mouseh, Yoica, Grax). This is undoubtedly a more risky scenario, as none of the remaining 4 players are really cleared of any suspicions (Except Inexcitus due to the day 1 lynch). It could be that the mafia struck gold and only had to push for a Phoenix lynch with a single player because two townies were already suspecting him. We do get some information, but not enough to guarantee a victory.
Basically, if Phoenix turns out green and there is only 1 mafia among the 3 players that pushed for him, we are screwed going forward unless we get some really obvious tells.
I will have to re-read most of the thread to try and convince myself whether voting for Phoenix is a good call or not, but as it stands now I am leaning more towards Phoenix + Archz/Vorte being mafia than any other combination.
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Let me describe a scenario:
Phoenixflame turns out red. Then there is one mafia remaining, and 4 people that most likely are green. (Inexcitus, Grax, Yoica, Mouseh). That leaves 3 people as main suspects (Archz, Vorte, Grilly). Then you can lynch the remaining suspects until you find the red one, as I am assuming I am still part of the victory even though I'm dead! I can promise you that I will follow your bandwagon at this point to make sure we outnumber the final red player till the end.
Note that this scenario is based on the mafia not winging a solo play vs. 7 people by throwing Phoenix under the bus, which I find very unlikely.
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I did also voice my concerns of how it would make me look if I changed my vote to Rash and he turned out to be town, which is why I was sitting on the fence on that one.
I will admit this did make me suspicious of you when you first said it, I was thinking it would be a really clever way to try and protect Rash as fellow Mafia and at the same time cover your ass, but you re-highlighting it makes me think maybe you're okay.
Only you and Rash voted for Hugman in the end of the last voting round, but even then we had strong reason to suspect Phoenix, but if I'm right in thinking Phoenix is the Godfather, you wouldn't want to change your vote to him in case he was lynched? I know you're saying Phoenix is high on your list, so for now you're not top of my list.
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I will admit this did make me suspicious of you when you first said it, I was thinking it would be a really clever way to try and protect Rash as fellow Mafia and at the same time cover your ass, but you re-highlighting it makes me think maybe you're okay.
Only you and Rash voted for Hugman in the end of the last voting round, but even then we had strong reason to suspect Phoenix, but if I'm right in thinking Phoenix is the Godfather, you wouldn't want to change your vote to him in case he was lynched? I know you're saying Phoenix is high on your list, so for now you're not top of my list.
At the end of the last voting round I was never debating changing my vote to Phoenix, I wanted Rash dead. Allow me to quote myself:
Ideal situation for me right now is that someone that hasn't voted yet, and that agrees with Hugman's reasoning, make sure that Rash hangs tonight. I will however switch to Rash before the bell if it comes to that, as I am willing to risk ruining my own credibility for the best chance we have at lynching scum.
Also, upon seeing Rash's Hugman vote, I wrote the following, which I can't imagine why I would have written if I wanted to protect Phoenix:
Rash, why are you not even trying to save yourself by attempting to sway someone into voting for Phoenix? Not all minds are made up here, as there are still 4 (5?) loose votes. Personally I wouldn't change my vote to save your hide, but voting Hugman at this point is equivalent to conceding.
Do you also recall me stating that I thought either Hug or Phoenix were mafia early on? If I were red and trying to protect Phoenix, I wouldn't have seen Hugman killed last night as that would implicate myself if I didn't at some point start suspecting Phoenix.
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Okay that's fair enough, I think I'm convinced for now.
Still yet to hear from a lot of people today and would like Archz to answer why he wanted to lynch Hugman?
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As for Phoenix, he is still having a go at Inexcitus. Either that's because he's a player on my own level, or he is trying to re-kindle the suspicions.
Thats not exactly true anymore:
In that case there's not really much going for Kili so I retract my statement about him being prime suspect material.
I'm his prime suspect now!
With mainly 3 people going for Phoenix at the moment (Grax, Yoica, Mouseh) I would normally be happy to join the lynch on him, but if this lynch is constructed by the mafia with the help of unaware townies, it can go south very quickly.
I'm curious how you think that case against Phoenix could be constructed? Can you give me examples, quotes? I was voting for him and calling him out because his own posts, not other people posts about him.
I haven't voted for him yet, as even tho I think hes most probably mafia, I don't see him as big threat as the other remaining mafia. Which is hard to pinpoint at this point. But day is long, and I hope people will get active with posts.
Another thought: It doesn't even matter whos Godfather and whos goon anymore, as our cop is dead, sadly.
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Mouseh, he replied while I was typing up my post. I read his reply, but decided to leave it in there as the point was still valid.
As for how the case could be constructed I don't have any evidence or indications pointing towards it. I am just saying that it would be very bad for us if it was. Especially if two of you guys are townies. I am not particularly suspicious of any of you at the moment though, so I am not pushing that angle. Just saying it would suck for us :)
In order to suspect any of you, I would first need Archz and Vorte to convince me that they are green. Which they haven't done to any notable degree yet.
You seem to be taking this "one of you three could be mafia"-statement of mine as if it was directed towards you alone though.
Yoica and Gaeios are the only remaining players that haven't had to defend themselves from scrutiny yet as far as I can recall, so I would like to see how they withstand the fire if Phoenix turns out to be green.
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Nah I didn't see that statement being directed towards me alone, on the contrary. I only thought that I might have missed smth, that you noticed, about 'constructing' the case against Pheonix. As I think that if he turns out to be green it would be consequence of his own actions, not some big scheme from mafia.
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Post by: Yoica on October 18, 2016, 10:14:19 am
##VOTE : Phoenixflame
Phoenixflame - 1
Post by: Grilldyret on October 18, 2016, 10:50:31 am
##VOTE : Hugman
Phoenixflame - 1
Hugman - 1
Post by: Gaeios(Graxlos) on October 18, 2016, 10:57:32 am
##VOTE : Grilldyret
Phoenixflame - 1
Hugman - 1
Grilldyret - 1
Post by: Vorte on October 18, 2016, 02:25:17 pm
##VOTE : Rashkebab
Phoenixflame - 1
Hugman - 1
Grilldyret - 1
Rashkebab - 1
Post by: Phoenixflame on October 18, 2016, 02:38:38 pm
##VOTE: Mouseh
Phoenixflame - 1
Hugman - 1
Grilldyret - 1
Rashkebab - 1
Mouseh - 1
Post by: Grishnag on October 18, 2016, 05:34:18 pm
##VOTE : Archz
Phoenixflame - 1
Hugman - 1
Grilldyret - 1
Rashkebab - 1
Mouseh - 1
Archz - 1
Post by: Mouseh on October 18, 2016, 08:08:20 pm
##VOTE : Phoenixflame
Phoenixflame - 2
Hugman - 1
Grilldyret - 1
Rashkebab - 1
Mouseh - 1
Archz - 1
Post by: Hugman on October 18, 2016, 08:11:38 pm
##VOTE : Rashkebab
Phoenixflame - 2
Hugman - 1
Grilldyret - 1
Rashkebab - 2
Mouseh - 1
Archz - 1
Post by: Archz on October 18, 2016, 08:49:32 pm
##VOTE : Rashkebab
Phoenixflame - 2
Hugman - 1
Grilldyret - 1
Rashkebab - 3
Mouseh - 1
Archz - 1
Post by: Inexcitus on October 18, 2016, 09:16:52 pm
##VOTE : Phoenixflame
Phoenixflame - 3
Hugman - 1
Grilldyret - 1
Rashkebab - 3
Mouseh - 1
Archz - 1
Post by: Phoenixflame on October 18, 2016, 10:11:06 pm
##UNVOTE: Mouseh
##VOTE: Rashkebab
Phoenixflame - 3
Hugman - 1
Grilldyret - 1
Rashkebab - 4
Mouseh - 0
Archz - 1
Post by: Rashkebab on October 18, 2016, 10:20:26 pm
##VOTE : Hugman
Phoenixflame - 3
Hugman - 2
Grilldyret - 1
Rashkebab - 4
Mouseh - 0
Archz - 1
(...)
In order to suspect any of you, I would first need Archz and Vorte to convince me that they are green. Which they haven't done to any notable degree yet.
So your winning theory is that Mafia boss Vorte started the vote on Rash, and Goon Archz set one of the final nails in the coffin when we just as easily could have piled on to Phoenixflame without causing much suspicion?
Even in the case that was pointed out that Phoenixflame and myself are mafia, why wouldn't I then try to sway the vote to phoenixflame to gain massive credit for myself and try to save Rash from crazy Hugman?
Right now Grilly feels suspicious to me
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You are correct that the initial Rash vote was a very green action by Vorte, completely forgot that he started it all. You putting one of the final nails in the coffin doesn't necessarily clear you though, as the Rash train was rolling already.
What are you basing the fact that I "feel suspicious" on, exactly? It has to be more than the fact that I just called you to action :) I am openly explaining my actions here, so please pick me apart.
If Vorte and Inexcitus are presumed green, that means a Phoenix lynch could end well even if he should turn out to be green. Then we are left with 2 mafia in a pool of 4 players that could swing both ways. If we then turn our attention towards those that initiated the bandwagon, we still have a shot at winning this thing.
Please note that I do think Phoenix is red at the moment, I am speaking of what would happen in the event that he turns out to be green against all odds.
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Going into the final few hours here, only the mafia stand to gain from radio silence. Who do you think are red, and why?
Personally I'm 70/30 between Phoenix+Archz and any combination between Yoica, Gaeios and Mouseh. Reason being that either the mafia are two very good players that have managed to throw us off completely by appearing to speak our cause, or two players that may very well also be good, but that are trapped on a sinking ship.
If Phoenix is red, then neither Yoica, Gaeios, Inexcitus, Mouseh or Vorte are red. That leaves only me and Archz, so I will know that Archz is red. If we mislynch Phoenix, however, only Vorte and Inexcitus are reasonably safe green. Then I will suspect a combination of those that started the bandwagon on Phoenix, most notably Mouseh and Yoica really.
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I'm voting Phoenixflame for now, pretty obvious why from my posts.
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Who do you think his partner in crime is, though? We are getting so close to the end here that people really should have opinions on what the possible combinations are. I'm not afraid of sticking out my neck anymore and call for this kind of action, because we need a backup plan if Phoenix turns out green!
Or are you all under the impression that we would be feeding the mafia information by submitting opinions so that playing one day/night at a time is best?
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Going into the final few hours here, only the mafia stand to gain from radio silence.
If I'm not mistaken, the day ends tomorrow morning at 11 CEST?
I'm going to place my vote today on Phoenixflame as well, if he turns out to be green I don't know what to think. Let's tighten that noose!
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Even in the case that was pointed out that Phoenixflame and myself are mafia, why wouldn't I then try to sway the vote to phoenixflame to gain massive credit for myself and try to save Rash from crazy Hugman?
Perhaps because it was easier for the mafia to read that Hugman was a cop, due to the sudden offensive against Rash? If you worked to get Phoenix lynched, the lynch went through and Hugman claimed cop afterwards and pointed at Rash, then you would basically be playing solo for the rest of the game.
What counts in your favor, however, is that Rash cast the second vote for you, making you tied with Inexcitus, Shimmar and Phoenix on day 1. As 2 people had not voted yet, Rash would have risked either me or Vorte voting for you, upon which he would have had to switch his vote to someone else (Thus implicating the both of you).
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I have a presentation to give from 10:30 to 12:00ish. Please act as if the thread is locked from 11:00 GMT+1 till i get back, ty :)
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It is now night.
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Phoenixflame had been harassed for the last few days now, getting insulted and blamed for the deaths. He tried to argue and prove his innocence but he got reminded that no one trusted him repeatedly. What the raid didn’t know was his true identity. Back in the days, he was renowned for two things in particular: his skill at subtle political maneuverings and his lack of eyes — he replaced his eyes with magic black crystals that bore streaks of crimson. And now, cornered by a group of shitty raiders that wouldn’t let go of the thought of him being the bad guy. Fair enough, he had killed Cwave the Shaman to obtain the artifact weapon he held for one of his goons so they would be better prepared for the fights to come. But he didnt expect this tenacity of the group in finding the culprits.
And while he couldn’t sway their minds and votes like he had done so many times before he thought that they were very, very right to not trust me. Once he even convinced the night elven queen Azshara of the necessity of turning the will of her mages, the so-called "Highborne", towards creating a portal into the Twisting Nether through which Sargeras and the Legion could enter the world. Phoenixflame was successful enough in his endeavors to welcome several ranking members of the Legion into Azeroth, including several felguard, Hakkar the Houndmaster, and Mannoroth. That was untill that retarded druid of a Malfurion Stormrage came in between them.
(http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111281934/5162634-2995681120-manno.jpg)
Phoenixflame’s master, Sargeras, was unhappy with him and this failure, and he faced punishment for his this. Sargeras tortured Phoenixflame’s disembodied spirit for a time, but eventually he showed a form of mercy. He decided that Phoenixflame could be of further use after all. He returned Phoenixflame to life, but not as he once was. To mark the traits Sargeras valued in him, and to brand him forever as an ally and servant of the Legion, Sargeras transformed and disfigured Phoenixflame body.
He created a new body for Phoenixflame: a body with cloven hooves, shaggy goat legs, goatlike horns, razor-sharp claws, and a long, leonine tail:He was known as Xavius, First of the Satyrs.
(https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/wow.gamepedia.com/5/59/Xavius_TCG.jpg?)
He showed his shade to the group of raiders. They were prepping up for a fight but the coward Xavius was about to flee.
Useless maggots, I’m going to lead the conquest of Val'sharah, where the tainted World Tree, Shala'drassil, spreads the Emerald Nightmare's corruption. With an army of vile satyrs at my command, I will stop at nothing to vanquish all who oppose the Burning Legion. Come seek me out in the Emerald Nightmare if you dare!
(http://raiderscdn.herr1437987216.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/160628-emerald-nightmare.jpg)
"There is only one god ...
and his name is Sargeras."
• Welcome, Phoenixflame, you are Xavius, First of the Satyr and the Mafia Godfather.
• When the Town Cop happens to investigates you at night, he will get a result back for you being Town instead of Mafia
• Each night phase, you and your fellow Mafia players pick one target to eliminate.
Phoenixflame aka Xavius, First of the Satyr and the Mafia Godfather has been lynched.
It's now Night 3. The Night ends @ 23:00 GMT+1 20-10-2016. Don't forget to send in your actions.
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Sweet! One more to go!
Here is very quick list from my side based on memory. After work I'll looking things up to see if I missed anything or made a mistake.
Probably townies
1. Inexcitus - Why would Phoenix vote for him if he was mafia? Phoenix's vote ensured Inexcitus was the 1st player to hit 2 votes.
2. Grill - There were no mafia players on 2 votes that Grilly had to save. So his reasoning for voting for Inexcutis was his own and not from necessity
3. Mouseh - A Godfather implicating a Goon might make sense to gain the trust of townie, but a Goon implicating a Godfather right off the bat is stupid in the extreme. Since Mouseh was the 1st to question Phoenix she is in the clear
My opinions on others with follow later.
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Actually my argument of Grill could be wrong. While it wasn't necessary to vote for Inexcutis doesn't mean he isn't mafia. But it would be stupid to have 2 mafia voting on the same target on day 1 while it wasn't needed.
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Oh, thank god! Best case scenario, now to determine whether he was thrown under the bus by the goon, or the goon was standing by quietly until the case onto Phoenix was made and there was no turning back.
I agree that this clears Mouseh, and Inexcitus is pretty much in the clear already. Vorte is _quite_ safe as he started the Rash vote before Hugman's crusade. I'm glad that you are putting me on your "Probably townie"-list Yoica, but I suspect others might not.
Therefore we have the following suspects remaining:
Yoica, Gaeios, Grilldyret, Archz.
To quote Yoica during day 2 (I apologize for lacking timestamp, had to get this quote from a separate browser tab):
Calm down Hug, your word isn't god.
Phoenix isn't high on vote because of shitty spread. He's high because people think he is mafia before you convinced ppl rash is.
Like I said you make a compelling argument for Rash. The current vote as 2 mafia (in my book) on 1st and 2nd place this is the PERFECT situation for townie.
Yoica was going for Phoenix already there, which he should have been careful with doing if he was red. That makes him less likely to be red than Gaeios, who also jumped on Phoenix early. Archz is however my main suspect at this point.
What I would like us to do now is systematically lynch those that are not at least semi-confirmed green. Tomorrow we will most likely be 4vs1 unless the doctor pulls some sick reads. Then we can afford accidentally lynching _one_ townie if it comes to that, most likely leaving us at 2v1 the next day. Unless I am lynched tomorrow, I will most likely be left together with a mafia and a townie, because let's face it; The mafia aren't going to snipe me tonight as I am not a confirmed townie in people's eyes yet.
The ones that are widely accepted as green have to sleep with one eye open tonight, as the last mafia will want the _least_ confirmed players left in a 2v1 situation.
So, this is how I think it will play out if there are no doctor saves:
- Mouseh, Vorte or Inexcitus are killed tonight.
- Tomorrow, we lynch either me, Gaeios or Archz.
- The next night, one of the two remaining "safe" players are killed.
- The next morning, we have one "safe" player, one semi-safe in my eyes (Yoica) and two unsafe (me, Gaeios or Archz).
- We can then proceed to lynch another one of the two remaining unsafe players, and if the mafia hasn't been caught yet we are at 2v1.
- The next morning, the last remaining safe player is lynched. We are left with..
Oh fuck, this doesn't add up. That leaves a 1v1, so that's no good.
(I am leaving my reasoning in here even though it turned out wrong, as it could be food for thought. I really did try to solve this puzzle strategically, but it suddenly stopped dead when I realized that we are one good guy short.)
This will only work out if there is at least 1 successful doctor save, or if one of the three unsafe players manage to convince the rest without a doubt that they are green.
Back to work now, will look at this again later.
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Most likely Town
1. Inexcitus - see earlier post
2. Mouseh - see earlier post
Likely town
3. Vorte - start the vote on Rash. He also made some comments concerning posts made by Archz and Rash, that never really got a good response from gents.
Might be mafia. (most to least likely)
1. Archz - He (indirectly) asked players to come out with their roles
What I'm proposing is that our named town, vigilante or bodyguard comes forward and gains protection from the doctor. I think we can at least all agree upon this being smart if he's on the voting roster. At this point I think the cop should only come forward once he finds a mafia. If he comes forward and says who he found to be townie, then he would need protection and the verified townie would probably be killed that first night, but here I'm open for input
He tried to defect from Phoenix on day 2 by claiming he might be the doctor. Fkkn random thought there?!
I'm more than willing to cast my vote on Phoenix today if that's what it takes. I'm getting a feeling now that he might be the doctor though :p
2. Grill - His last post actually moved him into the mafia spectrum for me.
Therefore we have the following suspects remaining:
Yoica, Gaeios, Grilldyret, Archz.
versus what he wrote at the end of day 2.
As for Phoenix, he is still having a go at Inexcitus. Either that's because he's a player on my own level, or he is trying to re-kindle the suspicions. With mainly 3 people going for Phoenix at the moment (Grax, Yoica, Mouseh) I would normally be happy to join the lynch on him, but if this lynch is constructed by the mafia with the help of unaware townies, it can go south very quickly. If he turns out red it's a huge win for us (Which also largely clears any suspicion towards these 3 players), and if he turns out green we know which 3 people to look into first after the hanging.
Let me describe a scenario:
Phoenixflame turns out red. Then there is one mafia remaining, and 4 people that most likely are green. (Inexcitus, Grax, Yoica, Mouseh). That leaves 3 people as main suspects (Archz, Vorte, Grilly). Then you can lynch the remaining suspects until you find the red one, as I am assuming I am still part of the victory even though I'm dead! I can promise you that I will follow your bandwagon at this point to make sure we outnumber the final red player till the end.
Gaeios and I have gone from almost surely town if Phoenix is red to suspects in your book? What has changed?
Why is vorte a townie for you now? He made no posts since your big day 2 analysis.
3. Gaeios -
Is quick to jump on Archz suggestion that Phoenix might be the doctor. Sadly neither player really give any arguments why they think this and only 1 can be mafia.
Uf dont plant the seed of doubt. Phoenixflames behaviour could easily be doctorplay, that would change my view on Yoica quite drastically though.
Most of his other analyses are in line with my thinking and he made no weird changes in his posts.
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Good job guys. Just one more left, but I have a feeling this one is going to be a little harder to find.
Post your thoughts before the night ends, because in the morning one of us is going to be dead, most probably :/
I'll write smth more constructive once i find time.
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Vorte has moved down my suspicio-meter because he voted for Rash first on day 2. I don't think I took this into account in the quoted post.
The reason why I don't think you two are cleared yet is the following:
Yoica seems experienced at this game, which may mean that he plays some metagame that is out of my league. I'd still rank you third on my suspect list though, behind Archz and Gaeios.
Gaeios also seems to be experienced at this, taken from the fact that he bashes other people's mafia reasoning skills in his own reasoning posts (no, I am not butthurt *sob*). In addition to this, I don't feel like he has given me enough analytical content to try and pinpoint his allegiance, and that is why I am more suspicious of him than I am of Yoica.
I was trying to show that I am making a genuine effort here to win us the game. As I have also stated before, I would rather you lynch me in a strategic effort to single out the mafia rather than this game descending into a state where everyone votes individually based on their own reads. IF it is even possible to solve it with a unified strategy that everyone except one person can agree to.
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I'd say if everyone agrees then we know we are lynching a green. So that is not something we want.
Will share some observations before lynch time since I cba looking over voting patterns on my phone.
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I'd say if everyone agrees then we know we are lynching a green. So that is not something we want.
Will share some observations before lynch time since I cba looking over voting patterns on my phone.
Everyone except one person*
In my opinion, it doesn't matter if we lynch a green so long as we can be reasonably sure one out of two people are red. It may be far fetched to think we can narrow it down to two people, though, but do you oppose the general idea?
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Just from looking at the votes on day two, I'm getting a good feel that Grilldyret is the last mafia goon. Hugman already had two votes, and Phoenixflame didn't bother changing to Hugman because there were no other mafia left to sway the vote to a majority on him, which I think they would have done if they'd had the chance.
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Why would Rash vote for Hugman then, out of anyone he could have randomly voted for? If he realized that he was screwed anyway, why vote the same as another mafia player voted for? I am assuming Rash was fully aware that whoever else that voted for the same as him on day 2 would come off as suspicious. If I was red that would be a downright strategical failure :)
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Ok, this is what I got, some quick notes:
Arches -
1. at 1st voting rash tried to bandwagon him by giving him 2nd vote
2. at 2nd voting - final nail to rash (3rd vote)
Green imo
Yoica -
1. pushed Phoenix from start of day 2. If he was a goon he would at least try to get someone else suspicious.
Green imo
Vorte and Gaeios - random vote pattern, can't get a read. Will look a little more in the evening.
Grilldy -
1. At 1st day vote he gave 3rd and final vote to Kili. If rules were as we thought they are Kili would be dead, among with Shimmar . 2 townies dead (plus the nightkill of tyler). Not bad for mafia.
2. Somewhat strange theories, including that one where hes saying that the case vs Phoenix could be constructed by mafia. When asked what he based that on he replied that he had nothing to base it on (no evidence or indications pointing towards it). Why mention it then?
To me it looked like he was indirectly trying to help Phoenix.
I think hes 3rd and final RED.
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Why would Rash vote for Hugman then, out of anyone he could have randomly voted for? If he realized that he was screwed anyway, why vote the same as another mafia player voted for? I am assuming Rash was fully aware that whoever else that voted for the same as him on day 2 would come off as suspicious. If I was red that would be a downright strategical failure :)
Yes, a strategical failure I'm pretty sure you guys did. The only other option I can see is that if you're green, Graxlos is the only one meta enough to not bandwagon Hugman to save Rash since it was becoming more and more obvious that he was a cop. The only problem with that option is that if Graxlos was mafia, I'm pretty sure they would have done a hell of a lot better in this game.
I agree with Mouse, but I'd put Vorte as a solid green as well. And let's not forget about Kili. Not as solid voting pattern, but he was very close to getting lynched on day three and that with a vote from mafia. So that leaves me with Grilly or Graxlos
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... but he was very close to getting lynched on day three ...
*Day one
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Grilldy -
1. At 1st day vote he gave 3rd and final vote to Kili. If rules were as we thought they are Kili would be dead, among with Shimmar . 2 townies dead (plus the nightkill of tyler). Not bad for mafia.
2. Somewhat strange theories, including that one where hes saying that the case vs Phoenix could be constructed by mafia. When asked what he based that on he replied that he had nothing to base it on (no evidence or indications pointing towards it). Why mention it then?
To me it looked like he was indirectly trying to help Phoenix.
I think hes 3rd and final RED.
I did think Kili was red the first day, loosely based on a theory that, in my opinion, was as good as theories get on day 1. Not sure what else I can do about that than to say I picked the wrong lynch target on a hunch and was punished for it.
As for my theories, I am trying to provoke other players here. A game based purely on vote counts and voting patterns would be dull, but I understand that I stuck my neck out a little too far. I didn't mean to confuse people, I just wanted to stir the hive as I said a few days ago.
I mentioned the possible mafia setup scenario because I was trying to describe possible outcomes of the Phoenix lynch, along with my general strategy to provoke people. Seeing as none of this seems to have worked, not bringing out any new information, it will seem like I played a selfish/dumb townie game when I get to show you that I'm green. Whenever that may be.
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The doctor comments from Grax and Archz just keep on nagging at my thoughts. These are the only 2 players that took any kind of (minimal) effect to deflect/change our opinion of phoenix. I've strongly come to believe that one of these 2 is the last mafia.
Looking at the voting Archz vote on Rash is actually the one that saved phoenix from getting lynched.
Phoenix had reached 2 votes before Rash and then Archz' vote made it so that Rash on the top spot. This makes sense, because it was already clear Phoenix or Rash was going to die based on how the momentum was going at the time. For mafia it's more important to keep the godfather than the roleblocker.
Although in Archz defence Rash did vote for him on day 1.
Grax also voted on Archz on day 1 and it would be strange if the 2 mafia voted for the same guy on day 1......
Ugh what a mess, but I just can't get the doctor's comment out of my head...
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Sorry, but I haven't gotten into the whole cycle thing. Does the night end at 11pm gmt+1 today?
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Yes, it ends in 3hrs
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Ok, I hope the doctor lucks out in a pick between the safe greens. The way I see it, keeping me alive tonight is the only chance the remaining mafia has to stand a chance of bandwagoning someone tomorrow, so I'm not too worried about my own life.
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About doctor comments, I might have a theory.
After Hugman was killed few people (including myself) asked why doctor didn't try to protect him. Phoenix was the first one to give some answer about it, quoting "Yoica was very vocal about how likely he was going to die that night. Maybe that led the doctor to protect him?" It did sound like he was giving an excuse of why doc didn't protect hugman, which led to some believing he might be the one.
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Yoica was very vocal about how likely he was going to die that night. Maybe that led the doctor to protect him?
Looking back, he said it was basically 50/50 between him and Hug, so I don't think we should read anything into it.
It was just a comment on Phoenix suddenly seeming to "defend his actions" protection Yoica. Not a very well placed comment, I'd admit. I'm just so used to write and say everything that comes to mind without thinking first.
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Sorry, but I haven't gotten into the whole cycle thing. Does the night end at 11pm gmt+1 today?
Correct!
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(http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8405.0;attach=6149;image)
Looking at my spreadsheet, there are two options:
Grilldyret is mafia scum. They tried to get the ball rolling on Hugman instead of them, but no one took the bait. And that's why Phoenixflame didn't cast his vote on Hugman at the end, to not draw too much suspicion on the people who voted for the cop.
Grilldyret is a townie, which means that the mafia had every opportunity to lynch a cop on day two instead of one of their own. This could maybe make sense if the goal was to win everyone's trust. However it makes no sense when Phoenixflame was a sure thing to get lynched the next day and NO attempt was made (other than my silly comment) to save him.
In my opinion: All aboard the grill train, I want me some ribs
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Wait I made a huge mistake!
I should have said "fire up the grill"..
Terrible..
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About doctor comments, I might have a theory.
After Hugman was killed few people (including myself) asked why doctor didn't try to protect him. Phoenix was the first one to give some answer about it, quoting "Yoica was very vocal about how likely he was going to die that night. Maybe that led the doctor to protect him?" It did sound like he was giving an excuse of why doc didn't protect hugman, which led to some believing he might be the one.
Maybe, but it was the only thing that had a chance of saving Phoenix if it had caught on and it was done early enough in the day that it wasn't clear yet how others would vote. It wasn't a last ditch effort to save Phoenix, but more of carrot and hoping others would bite before it was to late.
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I must say, I still think Archz made a valid point about Phoenix possibly being the doctor.
I just conceded to that. Obviously we can't both be mafia at this point.
Although I don't really see how I can make Archz mafia based on his voting patterns.
I still think Grilldyret is the best candidate for the job. Yoica is also quite hard to suspect as hard as he went for the godfather as did Mouse.
One thing (quite meta) that we havent considered is how Cwave balanced the game. The gamemaster usually tries to make an even matchup. Considering the two dead mafia could we consider who he would have made the third mafia based on mafia experience.
Nothing in the recent hours has changed my points made earlier. So lets see who dies in 90 minutes.
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Being one of the less vocal ones, I assume my life might end tonight.
I'm leaning towards Grilly, putting in a lot of effort with number of posts, but not really uncovering anything conclusive. 2nd in line currently being Archz, who has contributed a lot with the voting posts, but that could very well just be safe mafia play.
I find myself agreeing with most of what Yoica is saying, and I suggest you follow his lead should I go 6 feet under.
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Gaeios was doing some vote analysis in the loose sand near the cliffs. Something was wrong with these numbers and he needed a clear head to find it. As a druid, he often turned to the gods and spirits for guidance. But Gaeios didn’t start out as a healer in this grand game of life. Cwave and Graxlos met each other in Alterac Valley.
Both had a weird kind of draw towards the towers and ripping up alliance who dared contest it. It gave the sense of purpose and ninja-like attributes while the main zergfest happened on the field below. The pumped-ass pimps of AFGM with their PVE gear or the cannon fodder of Fearsome War Engine….. not for them. No, cornering a paladin and camping his ass for hours, that was where the true honor spawned for them.
(http://orig04.deviantart.net/e8a7/f/2012/109/f/9/alterac_valley___frostwolf_keep_tower_by_byorrsingyr-d4wx8fl.jpg)
A fellow raider joined him.
“We shouldn’t be alone here, it’s the number one cause of death for IE raiders atm. Do you have your pee buddy with you?” Graxlos said.
The raider replied: “No, but I don’t see yours either”.
They decided to be each other’s thunder buddy and the fellow raider looked at Gaieos’ vote analyses and ADHD line drawing.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QSNFr5Gxv0Y/maxresdefault.jpg)
“Weird hu, still seems we are missing one bad guy in this equation”
“You know druid, I think you might be right!”
“Oh, what am I missing in this equation?”'
“Me”
A big ass skeletal dragon, swarming in pestilence, ready to devour anyone or anything foolish enough rose up from the place where moments ago, his fellow IE Raider stood.
(http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/570277-nythendra.jpg)
“We really need to look into our recruitment methods” Gaeios noted to himself.
The Dream has always shown me truth, and it showed me your deaths.
Gaeios was hit with Wave after Wave of Decay. Unable to interrupt all of them, the combination of this and other AOE landing upon him was too much for the old daddy bear. In a pool of Infested Ground, the fearless Gaeios melted away.
(http://blog.capterra.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/druid12-large.jpg)
Rest easy. Our new Dream will remake your world.
Gaeios the Vanilla Townie has been devoured.
It’s now DAY4. 23:00 GMT+1 21-10-2016. It’s ADE week here so fridayevening switching is bad mkee. Day 4 will end ON SATURDAYMORNING 11:00 GMT+ 1 22-10-2016!!(ill set an extra alarm to not live up to my name) @#!@!!!
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(http://www.iron-edge.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8405.0;attach=6149;image)
Looking at my spreadsheet, there are two options:
Grilldyret is mafia scum. They tried to get the ball rolling on Hugman instead of them, but no one took the bait. And that's why Phoenixflame didn't cast his vote on Hugman at the end, to not draw too much suspicion on the people who voted for the cop.
I did explain my Hugman vote with the fact that I was convinced either Hug or Phoenix were mafia. With Yoica voting Phoenix first, I voted Hugman second to see what the outcome would be. I meant this as a way to gather information, I was just shit out of luck that Hugman was green and Phoenix was red. Why would I have kept my vote on the cop if I was mafia and I knew the jig was up anyway?
Grilldyret is a townie, which means that the mafia had every opportunity to lynch a cop on day two instead of one of their own. This could maybe make sense if the goal was to win everyone's trust. However it makes no sense when Phoenixflame was a sure thing to get lynched the next day and NO attempt was made (other than my silly comment) to save him.
In my opinion: All aboard the grill train, I want me some ribs
The mafia had no opportunity to lynch a cop on day 2, because as I said with the night drawing close on day 2, I would not have changed my vote to save him. If it had come to it, I would have switched my vote to Rash, which I also stated the next day. But I guess that's a void point as it was said in retrospect.
I really hope you are the red player trying to assemble a bandwagon onto me, because you'll be easy for them to hang afterwards. If you are indeed the last mafia, you must be getting desperate (Understandably). "Playing your best card" by moving attention onto the other suspected player, as you saw tendencies of players suspecting you.
If you are green, however, you may well end up costing us the game if your suddenly escalating aggression towards me gains momentum.
I find it curious that, for the first 18 pages of this thread, you never so much as whispered an accusation towards anyone. Then the attention shifts towards you, and you dedicate 4 posts to voicing your suspicions against me over the remaining 3 pages. At that point I fully understand that I was the easiest target to go after, but the sudden change in pace surprised me.
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Sorry, slight overstatement there. The first 17 pages*
Also, RIP Gaeios :( Although I am kind of glad we didn't lose any of the safest green players.
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(Sorry for spamming, just noticed the vote)
That's a very quick vote on me, although I guess we are both out of options as to who to vote for. God help us all if we are both green!
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I somehow missed this paragraph
One thing (quite meta) that we havent considered is how Cwave balanced the game. The gamemaster usually tries to make an even matchup. Considering the two dead mafia could we consider who he would have made the third mafia based on mafia experience.
I was under the impression that the sides and roles were completely random. If Cwave did some manual balancing, with Hugman, Tyler and Grax dead then I would say Yoica would be my first choice based on previous mafia exp.
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RIP Gaeios STRUNG bear will be missed.
This kill is a blessing in disguise, because the maffia just made a mistake by killing Gaeios. They should've killed one of the players we all thought were green instead of one we were suspicious about. Now they have eliminated one of our suspects for us.
I'll need to reread the thing Gaeios wrote and what was written about now that we know he is a townie. Since there is only person, Archz, still alive that made an attempt to save Phoenix means he is still my prime suspect.
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RIP strung baer.
I'm pretty confident that the remaining mafia is either Grilly or Archz. I'm going with my gut with my vote for now - Archz is a weirdo that writes before he thinks, and thus the vote goes to Grilly.
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Archz has written things before thinking before, but he is in fact green, then his dedperate efforts to save himself from a lynch is causing us to lose the game. And how did I suddenly become the main suspect after everyone was suspicious of Archz following the last lynch? Did I post too much? Or were you actually influenced by the main suspect at the time when he suddenly went full aggression on me?
We are at a point now where Archz and myself most likely will be lynched anyway, which is why Archz would be playing a super selfish game if he's green. Then he shifts the suspicions onto another green, removing any chance we have of finding the last red player. If he is green, he should have been 100 % certain that I was red before playing it out that way.
I may have confused people, but I sure as hell did make an effort to find reds. Only chance has lead to me being your prime suspect at this point as I didn't hit the mark with any of my reads (and probably because I read the game poorly). Archz, however, has not supplied a single piece of subjective information until yesterday when he realized he was in danger.
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Oops, phone posting and random grammatical errors. *but if he is in fact green
*desperate
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Grax, you will be avenged.
My vote is torn on one of Archz or Grilly at this point.
Grilly gave a reason not to vote for Rash which made me suspect him a while back, I posted that earlier. Grilly seems fairly active like Hugman was, which is a good way to appear town and was the initial reason a few of us suspected Hugman. Grilly does make some good counter arguments to Archz though. If they are both green like he says then we are seriously fucking ourselves over, but making us doubt ourselves is part of the Mafia routine.
Archz dodged my question on why he wanted to lynch Hugman and never answered it. Unless I've missed his answer, I think it was really suspicious, considering everyone thought the Doctor would put the save on Hug, the Mafia probably did too. This evidence is a little weak I admit, because if the doctor had saved Hugman he would had the extra day he needed to oust or attack at least another player and the doctor can't save the same player twice in a row? I don't want to dig into the lynch / kill / save combinations too much right now though. The evidence against Archz voting does seem strong.
I'm gunna go with Grilly for now.
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Friendly reminder, day will end tomorrow morning 11:00
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This is so insanely frustrating.. Vorte and Archz having played with me before probably know how annoyed and desperate I get when I am a green player that managed to somehow draw suspicion ending in a lynch. (I almost punched Vorte at my bachelor party in this exact same scenario, though I was slightly intoxicated at the time)
Anyway, I will try to say post some potentially final words tomorrow before you hang me and Cwave has to type up a good-guy death post for me. I hope you get the information you need from my lynch to catch the last scumplayer, because I will seethe with rage in real life if Archz is green. :P
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Hah, this post made me switch my vote to Arch, but I'm afraid its too late now. Unless someone else switches fast.
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*flavour Inc
Grilldyret the Vanilla Townie has been lynched.
Its now night. Dont forget to send in your actions.
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Fuck
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That sucks, you guys guessed wrong!
Archz are the only suspect left. You're going down tmw!
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I hate this game. Looks like Yoica is taking home a well deserved win!
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Inexcitus The Town Doctor has been eaten alive
• Welcome, Inexcitus , you are Malfurian Stormrage, the Town Doctor.
Abilities:
• Each night phase, you may attempt to protect one player in the game from being nightkilled. You may select yourself to be healed. You may not select the same target twice in a row. You send in your action by sending a PM at night with the name of the target you want to protect.
Win condition:
• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.
It's now day. Day ends tomorrow at 23:00 gmt+1 23-10-2016
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RIP Kili, you'll be missed!
No suprise here I'm going to vote for Archz, Although there is a tiny voice in my head that Vorte might not be who he seems to be.
Anyway we better get this right, because if we don't get the goon with this lynch the town will lose the game.
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Aww Kili, always a healer! RIP
It could be anyone tbh, and by the rate people are posting last few turns theres basically no chance to find out. If we lose its cuz we were lazy.
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I hate this game. Looks like Yoica is taking home a well deserved win!
What this even mean, do you think Yoica is the Kingpin behind it all? Can you elaborate a little?
We really need to get this right, lets at least try :)
Vorte, we haven't had any constructive post from you for a while. Any thoughts?
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I'll keep it short but it's hard to write anything concise. I don't any hard factual evidence that Yoica is mafia, I've just been going over the print (Ctrl+F "Yoica") and reading everything. I just find it a bit weird how Phoenix constantly agrees with him. Now, Yoica was the very first to vote for Phoenix, which is risky mafia play, but at this point it's clear that the mafia have thrown the other two under the bus pretty hard. Yoica is the one I would put my money on being old and wise enough to know that to make it in the long run, the voting pattern need to be good.
And that's the other thing, why isn't he dead? All the other old, wise and experienced players are dead? The doctor can't protect the same player twice in a row, I find it weird that the last mafia hasn't tried to kill him once.
The other thing I find weird is that he didn't attack my argument for suspecting Grilly AT ALL. If I remember correctly, he's a fellow engineer and I think he would loooove to argue at my reasoning there since it was partly a numbers game. He might just be busy/tired of the game like the rest of us, but I found that rather suspicious. I would have expected more of a fight if he were townie.
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Thank you for confirming you are the mafia.
I just find it a bit weird how Phoenix constantly agrees with him.
He agrees with me once on day 1 and after never again. Curious that you consider this 'constantly'
Now, Yoica was the very first to vote for Phoenix, which is risky mafia play, but at this point it's clear that the mafia have thrown the other two under the bus pretty hard.
Actually both Mouse and Tyler voted for him before I did. I did start on the vote for Phoenix on day 2, because it was pretty clear that one of the votes for Inxcetus had to mafia as I've explained before. This was long BEFORE Hug went on his post spree which ended up with Rash getting lynched and not after "it's clear that the mafia have thrown the other two under the bus pretty hard"
Yoica is the one I would put my money on being old and wise enough to know that to make it in the long run, the voting pattern need to be good.
Thanks for the compliment. It's also why I see your arguments are so full of holes.
And that's the other thing, why isn't he dead? All the other old, wise and experienced players are dead? The doctor can't protect the same player twice in a row, I find it weird that the last mafia hasn't tried to kill him once.
I'm curious as to how you know the doctor can't protect the same player twice in a row? The doctor description was never linked. Cwave only linked a general wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Doctor (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Doctor) and there it only states some moderators don't allow this, but Cwave never publically posted this. That means you've gotten this information via another source, the mafia only thread maybe?!
Also so far only 'the old' players have been killed by the mafia.
Day one Tyler - probably the most experienced of us
Day two Hug - clearly the cop
Day three Grax - both of us more or less on the same page so it doesn't really matter of us died.
Day four Inexcitus - make sense, because Mouse, Vorte and Inexcitus were all marked as green by EVERYONE meaning that if you had killed me it you would definitely get lynched. Now you have a minimal chance to survive the day by convincing them to vote for me.
The other thing I find weird is that he didn't attack my argument for suspecting Grilly AT ALL. If I remember correctly, he's a fellow engineer and I think he would loooove to argue at my reasoning there since it was partly a numbers game. He might just be busy/tired of the game like the rest of us, but I found that rather suspicious. I would have expected more of a fight if he were townie.
I wasn't sure he was a townie. If you reread my posts on day 3 you'll actually see I have Grilly marked as 2nd most likely to be mafia. Either you died or he died it didn't really matter to me, because it would the other would be mafia and get lynched today.
Again it comes back to doctor you made. The 1st time it was a weak attempt to deflect from Phoenix and today with information none of townies had.
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And that's the other thing, why isn't he dead? All the other old, wise and experienced players are dead? The doctor can't protect the same player twice in a row, I find it weird that the last mafia hasn't tried to kill him once.
Cards on the table, I learned this late last night when I was ripping on kili for not protecting Hugman and this was the reason, he was trying to play the mafia since they maybe wouldn't go for him since it was so obvious he was the cop and so obvious that he would get protected. I didn't check the actual rule since I thought this was standard to prevent a 1v1 stalemate between doctor and mafia, but apparently there's several set of rules. This was probably just for the doctor to know, but I guess learning about it now with just a lynch left it doesn't affect the game?
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So you knew Kili was the doctor before he was killed? Now that is interesting...
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added healer pm to post up top
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Oke so you've planted a seed of doubt in mind. Try and convince me Vorte or Mouse are plausible mafia candidates and I'll consider changing my vote.
I've reread Mouse's posts and I'm still fairly certain she's town.
I'll reread all of Vorte's post after the kids in bed.
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So you knew Kili was the doctor before he was killed? Now that is interesting...
No this was after he had died. I have nothing more to give as far as convincing goes, I only have my gut feeling on you :p
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I've reread Vorte's posts and theres not much in them to analyse. :/ Vorte show up! You're playing or not?
Anyway situation from my POV:
1. Arch is remaining goon. Obvious choice, a lot of weird posts from him. Like that time when he called townies to reveal their roles or now when he admitted that he talked with "dead" Kili out of forum thread.
But its Arches, so I'm not even surprised.
2. Yoica is evul mastermind, who played pro town whole game only to kill us off 1 by 1 by the end! Hes smart enough to pull it off, so who knows.. He did play Godfather quite successfully last mafia game (LOTR version)! But I got a feeling if he was a goon mafia would make a lot different strategic choices this game.
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If I was the goon there is just no way I would've played as I did for 1 simple reason. You can't play the way I did in LOTR unless you are the godfather because you have to know you are safe from the cop. I've taken an aggressive and pro-active stance since day 1 and the start of day 2 when we didn't know who the cop was.
I've reread day 2 in full, because that is the only day where we had some discussions going on. The 1st day was still random and the 3rd day everyone agreed on phoenix.
I've also looked at the voting for day 1 and day 2. I noticed something I hadn't really looked at before. Rash voted for Archz, giving him 2 votes which brought Archz into the danger zone because the others were only on 2 as well. The order went https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cug9IYNtsqvyPrEkQBjXNSmAgMjaAfg7p1acgMih8gg/edit#gid=0 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cug9IYNtsqvyPrEkQBjXNSmAgMjaAfg7p1acgMih8gg/edit#gid=0)
Inexcitus - 2 (he is a townie and had phoenix vote for him)
Phoenix - 2 (Mouse almost certainly town, and Tyler known townie
Arches - 2 (Rash was the 2nd vote on him)
At that time only Grill and Vorte still had to vote. Why take the risk of bringing one of your own into the danger zone? Particularly since day 1 votes tend to be very random.
On top that Vorte hasn't made a single post today....
But he did start the vote on Rash, but with an extremely weak reasoning.
I am leaving for work, and won't be able to do too many posts until late this evening. I'm going to place my vote on Rash for now, only to make him come out of the woodwork and post something.
This could be mafia play and just for Rash to come with argument Vorte could agree to change his vote. Except Vorte never the chance because Hug went after Rash like a bitch on heat.
So you knew Kili was the doctor before he was killed? Now that is interesting...
No this was after he had died. I have nothing more to give as far as convincing goes, I only have my gut feeling on you :p
Play the devil's advocate like I've done above. I made the assumption you are a townie and relooked at everything. This brought some interesting details to light. You do the same but then assume I'm a townie, because I garantee you I am and see what you come up with.
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Sorry, been stupidly busy with an assignment due tonight.
Archz has to be the final mafia, the scenario where Yoica is the mastermind doesn't hold water with me.
Archz did seed doubt about Pheonix, and has had weird posts throughout. I identified the voting summaries as possible scum-play early on, allthough I leaned towards him being just..weird, back then.
I'm sorry for my inactiveness, but I consider the game won with 2 chances to hang both Grilly and Archz.
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Fuck, last vote is tonight? I thought it was tomorrow morning?
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But he did start the vote on Rash, but with an extremely weak reasoning.
I am leaving for work, and won't be able to do too many posts until late this evening. I'm going to place my vote on Rash for now, only to make him come out of the woodwork and post something.
This could be mafia play and just for Rash to come with argument Vorte could agree to change his vote. Except Vorte never the chance because Hug went after Rash like a bitch on heat.
My vote on Rash was due to his inactivity, and Hugman's crusade only added to the logic I had at that time. He was doing roleplayposts and not contributing what so ever.
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Vorte, how do you explain Rash's vote on Archz on day1? Why would a mafia bring another mafia in the danger zone on day 1 where everything is so random?
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Also you accuse others of limited contributions, but you haven't really contributed much either.
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I'm gonna vote for Vorte and leave this in the hands of Yoica. My gut feeling said Yoica mastermind, but I've been pretty much wrong about everything. Maybe the mafia would have done better with Yoica there to captain it, maybe not.
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Arches -
1. at 1st voting rash tried to bandwagon him by giving him 2nd vote
2. at 2nd voting - final nail to rash (3rd vote)
Green imo
I noticed same voting pattern earlier, at that point I thought arch was probably green. Later on he became my 2nd suspect after grilldy (:().
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What a lame completely useless thing to as Townie. Even when you are sure you are about to die you should analyze and write as much as you can. Information is the only way town can win. If everyone crawls into their cocoon we'll never have anything to base decisions on.
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I'm gonna vote for Vorte and leave this in the hands of Yoica. My gut feeling said Yoica mastermind, but I've been pretty much wrong about everything. Maybe the mafia would have done better with Yoica there to captain it, maybe not.
I don't get it, if you think YOICA is the goon why not vote for him? Unless you're just trying to save your skin, and if you are townie you wouldn't care for that, as if we lynch ANY townie game is lost.
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Arches -
1. at 1st voting rash tried to bandwagon him by giving him 2nd vote
2. at 2nd voting - final nail to rash (3rd vote)
Green imo
I noticed same voting pattern earlier, at that point I thought arch was probably green. Later on he became my 2nd suspect after grilldy (:().
Reread what I wrote. I didn't look at Arches' voting pattern. I analyzed what Rash wrote and voted.
Also I disagree with your point 2. I don't read his vote as the final nail to rash, but as the one that saved Phoenix. First he tries to deflect from Phoenix claiming he might be the doctor and later he saves phoenix by voting for Rash (a sacrifice)
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"rash tried to bandwagon him by giving him (arches) 2nd vote" - I thought thats what you were saying. As in why would Rash endanger another goon with 2nd vote.
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Sorry you are right. I need to read your replies properly :-[
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np, my 'engrish' could be hard to read. :)
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I'm gonna vote for Vorte and leave this in the hands of Yoica. My gut feeling said Yoica mastermind, but I've been pretty much wrong about everything. Maybe the mafia would have done better with Yoica there to captain it, maybe not.
I don't get it, if you think YOICA is the goon why not vote for him? Unless you're just trying to save your skin, and if you are townie you wouldn't care for that, as if we lynch ANY townie game is lost.
As I said, because I'm just always wrong. All my theories in this game has been way off, and the mafia I've participated in lynching, I just joined the bandwagon. It's hard to say anything about voting as well. Vorte cast the first vote on Rash, me the third. Everyone band wagoned Phoenixflame. Only thing that kinda separates me and Vorte I think is that I had a mafia vote for me as well on the first day.
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I noticed same voting pattern earlier, at that point I thought arch was probably green. Later on he became my 2nd suspect after grilldy (:().
Why did you change your thoughts about Archz from to town to mafia?
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From the people left he seems to me like a most probable choice and he kept pilling the posts like that one above.
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Sorry for seeming tired and fed up but I'm not at home and I'm on my 10th hour of this hydrologic model bullshit that just won't do as I want.
I can't think of anything useful to say to further my case. At this point I guess the options available is that I have either played a shit townie or OK mafia? What do you think is more likely :P
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FFS why Archz.... I have a feeling we're going to regret lynching you, but you're giving no usefull posts.
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Well what can I say at this point?
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I'm ok if we lynch arch and yoica turns out to be goon. But i'll be pissed if Vorte is mafia!
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Still embarrassing to lose when we got two mafia lynches in a row :p
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Shit after 2 days of thinking Archz is the goon, I think it's Vorte now
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fuck i wish you switched at least min earlier, can't vote now :x
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Archz the Vanilla Townie has been lynched by a angry mob.
Welcome, Archz, you are one of the elite Iron Edge Raiders, a Vanilla Townie.
Abilities:
• You have your voice and your vote. Lynch the mafia!
Win condition:
• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.
It's now Night5. Send in your actions plz :)
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Sorry mouse :(
Well played Vorte.
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wow! archz the worst townie ever!
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As doom comes ever closer for this raid group of Iron Edge, so does the night pass quicker......
The gods have received their actions for this night.
Yoica the Vanilla Townie has been eaten alive by an angry raid dragon.
It's now day6.
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And with a 1vs1 with a mafia and townie, Mafia takes the win as in a 1vs1 Mafia>Town.
Grats!!!!
Thanks for playing all :)
Welcome, Vorte, you are Nythendra , Guardian of Shaladrassil and the Mafia Goon.
Abilities:
• Each night phase, you and your fellow Mafia players pick one target to eliminate. You can discuss your next kill in
your own private forum @ https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/CncNYsmaaRn7C
Win condition:
• You win when all townies have been eliminated.
Welcome, Mouseh, you are one of the elite Iron Edge Raiders, a Vanilla Townie.
Abilities:
• You have your voice and your vote. Lynch the mafia!
Win condition:
• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.
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Mafia Quicktopic:
https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/CncNYsmaaRn7C
Dead Men QuickTopic
https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/DaxFzRvJzjeJG
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Omg last one alive! Damn you Vorte! I would gratz you but I wouldn't call it 'well played' as you barely played.
mucho butthurt :x
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I am so very sorry. You all assumed I was town for a really weak reason, for the longest time!
Special shoutout to Grilly and Archz for being so weird for so long <3
Omg last one alive! Damn you Vorte! I would gratz you but I wouldn't call it 'well played' as you barely played.
mucho butthurt :x
I did that entirely on purpose. Let Archz incirminate himself while I do homework.
Hail Lord Sargeras!
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The reasons were weak I just saw it too late and Archz made it so easy to incriminate him :(
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I did that entirely on purpose. Let Archz incirminate himself while I do homework.
Hail Lord Sargeras!
With his retardation that wasn't hard.
I assume it's allright for deadpeople to talk in this thread agian?
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yep
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Well executed game, Cwave! Thanks for hosting <3
Going forward, flying under the radar should weigh more heavily towards mafia than voting patterns, clearly. None of the people that participated in this game to any notable degree turned out red.
Gg!
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Well played everyone.
Thanks too Cwave for doing a brilliant job of hosting! I did like the lore fluff for the kills!
Good god that Mafia secret thread! We are all thinking there is some sort of coherent plan, but really they were kinda on the ropes, but lucked at a bit with Vorte being able to look green to the remaining townies. Loling at Yoica thinking there is some elaborate Mafia plan where the god father is SUPER vocal, and gets a Mafia lynch to throw off suspicion! 8) That shit may happen in Palmar's games, but we have too many Norwegians, and they are like human spanners!
Though looking back in retrospective, its very easy to see what could have been, yet we remember we only had the limited data at the time.
As you know I was the cop.
Day 1 I Voted Vorte randomly, as I normally just pick someone day 1.
Night 1 I investigated Rashkebab, as he was acting too quiet, neither scummy nor townie at that point, and it came back "anti town" (Goon or Roleblocker, Godfather would come back "town").
Day 2 while at the time I felt both Arches and Phoenixflame had done some posts i felt were scummy, I obviously knew that Rash was Scum, and I rather push hard to get an actual Mafia lynch, rather than risk getting a town or a town special lynch. Plus it would get us data/posts. I didn't know if Rash was Goon, or Roleblocker, so I wasn't gonna claim till I knew (I wasn't aware doctor couldn't save someone twice in a row, but tbh, why would I assume kili attempted a save on me first night?)
So I made up some weak sauce reasoning, and pushed bloody hard to get him lynched. It took some doing but we got the bastard! The irony being that maybe (and that's a big maybe) if I hadn't pushed so hard on Rash, we may have gotten Phoenix lynched, me alive and still knowing that rash was the second mafia (although their mafia thread indicated I was a reasonably high night kill priority anyway).
Anyway at that point I felt i had kinda over played my hand, and pushed too hard. You could say that once I had gotten Rash lynched, with the role blocker dead, I should have claimed. But frankly, I didn't want to give the Mafia any more data than they had, as there was a chance they though I just got lucky on my push (which their forum threads confirm lol 8)). Also I assumed that the doctor would protect me, as with the roleblocker dead, the cop would be safe! It was a calculated risk, and I stand by it. I would like to see what kili was thinking.....
Night two I investigated Mouseh (as she was hard to read at that point), but was killed!
So yeah, good game! As I said in the dead forums, its very easy to assume the Norwiegans are being retarded/bad townie quiet, rather than scummy, and we have to remember that!
Kili post you doctor actions!
Hopefully we get another game soon!
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Hugman m8 you pushed way to hard, so much so i was considering switching my vote to you.
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Well executed game, Cwave! Thanks for hosting <3
Going forward, flying under the radar should weigh more heavily towards mafia than voting patterns, clearly. None of the people that participated in this game to any notable degree turned out red.
Gg!
It was actually the voting pattern that got me doubting Vorte. I was just so focused on Archz I didn't value it enough until it was too late.
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I'm happy you admit that the arguments were weak hugman :-)
I was fairly certain you were cop, but didn't want to start discussing it with the mafia reading.
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Oh and many thanks to the awesome host!
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I gotta say this was way different than the mafia games I've played before. Thanks for hosting Cwave!
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GG Vorte! Close though, sounds like Yoica and Mouse were 5 mins from changing their minds...
I was pretty sure town were going to win after our two quick lynches. Two modkills didn't help us though :(
Lets play again around Christmas? I quite like the idea of shorter cycle though. Maybe 12h/12h day night?
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Sounds good, let's get 2 mods then as well, helps with keeping up with the fluff :)
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Im up for co-hosting next time.
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Thanks Cwave, good first experience of forum Mafia, gg wp Vorte.
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Thanks Cwave, good first experience of forum Mafia, gg wp Vorte.
We are curious to see who you put the doctor saves on Kili, and the logic behind them.
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(http://i.imgur.com/GqX7w5Z.png)
http://imgur.com/GqX7w5Z (http://imgur.com/GqX7w5Z)
Night 4 is missing the kill inexcitus command*
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Wait what
Kili was half the time putting he doctor save on himself?!?
Didn't think that was allowed, the wiki seems to think it's not normally allowed; but even if it is, that's a bit retarded right?
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Paranoid kili is paranoid.
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In all fairness I would have murdered him night right after hugman.
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I thought the Doctor was either Yoica or Mouseh.
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Wow Killi,
You really was afraid to die wasn't you!
I read all the thread and thought Vorte played a blinder and after Phoenix and rash got killed off from the mafia team, I felt archz played it very badly and brought it to himself. However shame on the 2 modkills, if I understand it properly due to inactivity cost the townies the game.
Rash was proper quiet compared to his usual self and Phoenix, well if one of them was mafia the other would too considering their practically married after that spell during and up to release of legion 😆
Overall thoroughly enjoyed the reading and can't wait for the next game.
Vejeta
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Wait what
Kili was half the time putting he doctor save on himself?!?
Didn't think that was allowed, the wiki seems to think it's not normally allowed; but even if it is, that's a bit retarded right?
From various Mafia wikis:
- Lay low, and avoid revealing your role unless completely necessary. - I think I did this pretty well, since Vorte just stated he was sure one of the other players were the Doctor.
- The most important basic strategy for a Doctor is to identify confirmed town members so you can heal them. As an added bonus, anyone who can be publicly identified as Town is more likely to be targeted by the Mafia. - I was pretty sure me and Mouseh were town, so I put the heal on us. After I didn't die in the first round to the townies it was clear that I wasn't Mafia from the voting, so I was sure I was due a lynch.
- Doctors are notoriously bad at protecting against Mafia kills when there is no obvious target; they are weak on their own. - It was quite obvious you were the Cop yes. But I gave the Mafia too much benefit of the doubt, I thought with the doctor still out it was obvious you'd be saved, I guess it wasn't really worth the risk for them not to attempt a lynch on you.
Please bear in mind this was:
1. My first time playing Mafia.
2. Every save I used was on town.
3. I never gave my identity away.
Wow Killi,
You really was afraid to die wasn't you!
Paranoid kili is paranoid.
Can you blame me? After that first day? Where the doctor was basically almost killed by the townies and only managed to survive because Shimmar was inactive? People really held onto the whole narration thing.
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Several things.
Yes it was your first time, and some parts you did well:
Laying low, yes perfect. You did that very well, I though Vorte was the doctor, right up until he wasn't! That was good work.
Identifying town members so you can heal. Erm, not really, you put it either on you or on mouse, who in the early days, wasn't clear at all was town. It was only after like 3 days of voting and posts it was clear she was town. The main thing, was you didn't heal me, when I got the Mafia lynch, and I was very obviously either vocal town, or the cop. You put your heals on (at the time) unvocal "suspected townies", who didn't seem in any danger of being night killed (obviously you are never certain who the mafia will go for). But not saving the pretty clear cop, or if you look at it the other way, a very very vocal townie, who had just got a lynch, but rather on Mouseh, who at the time, had done two votes on phoenix, and a few posts, not clearly town. This was kinda bad.
Anyway game is over now, you live you learn.
Just in case there is any confusion on this:
Wow Killi,
You really was afraid to die wasn't you!
Paranoid kili is paranoid.
Can you blame me? After that first day? Where the doctor was basically almost killed by the townies and only managed to survive because Shimmar was inactive? People really held onto the whole narration thing.
being a doctor and putting a heal on yourself, no way protects you from town lynch. You almost got lynched, fine, which was RNG day one. But then putting it on you? Why? you almost got lynched! Mafia would think, hey he almost got lynched, lets not waste a night kill on him, as he may get lynched the next today. If you put it on someone else, there was a chance you could have saved a town or special town. But you seemed to be in very very little danger of being night lynched the first few nights, yet you kept putting it on yourself, this is why they are saying you were paranoid. You could have saved (keep in mind this would take good guesses by you, excepting my night kill of course, that was pretty clear), either me, Tyler or Gaieos if you got lucky. The role is meant to help save the other townies (specially when the cop/other town special is still in the game) not just keep you alive to the end.
Saying every save you used in the game "was on town" when you half the time it was on you, and the other half on a "uncertain town" (excepting the night 4 on mouseh, as that point she was clearly town), just really didn't help keep the town alive. Every night kill they did, was on town other than whom you picked, except the night you died, which you couldn't have saved yourself, as you had just used it on yourself the night before. The Mafia was going for the people who were clearly town! If they go for the people who there is uncertainty on if they are town, they just help us by killing off the people "who could be mafia", and thus making it easyer to spot them.
This was pretty damm ineffective doctoing, and as a result, you saved no town. This was with no roleblocks on you! (which in a way shows how well you did at laying low, as they didn't even suspect you, while Rash was alive, but that was only one night!).
So in the future, think more about where you use your special town roles.
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No one was 'clearly town' at the start Hug. And for the night when you were killed he already said he overestimated the opponents.
And I wouldn't say that I was 'uncertain town' until the night 4, but thats subjective I guess, as is this whole damn game. And that's what makes it fun, isn't it? Different people with different personality and past experience in Mafia.
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Firstly, I know that healing doesn't save you from a town lynch. What I meant was I felt I was due to be killed by the Mafia on the first night.
Secondly, I explained that I felt the obvious heal was on you and gave the mafia the benefit of the doubt too much in perhaps being tactical and going for someone else, that was a mistake. In hindsight I realise that they couldn't risk not attempting to kill you.
Thirdly, whatever the logic there might have been for the Mafia not to kill me on the first round, the only person I safely knew was town was myself. I'd rather save myself being killed off until I have more information to make better decisions later on in the game.
If you want to analyse reasons we lost you also have to take a look at how you gave away you were the cop. Even then there are still plenty of ways you could have died for example:
1. I can't put the save on a player two rounds in a row, while the chance is low, if I'd used it on you the turn before you outed Rash, you'd still have died.
2. If I'd have been lynched by town on day 1 or 2 or killed by mafia in night 1, there'd have been no doctor, you'd still have died. Fair enough, you might have been less aggressive then in going for Rash knowing there was no doctor.
3. Even if I'd have saved you that round, the next round we'd have just gone after Phoenix anyway and you'd still have been killed by Vorte in the next night phase.
You even said yourself you thought Vorte was the doctor, so you probably wouldn't have even investigated him soon enough to actually give us any more relevant info, rendering you a vanilla townie with impending death? Had you have been alive one round longer I don't think your powers would have been much use, had you have not given away your Cop identity and lasted more rounds we'd have gotten a lot more information about the Mafia.
In addition to that, there was a number of other things including 2 townies being modkilled, which I think contributed significantly to our loss.
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Having the town cop around for a day longer is better than trying to save a random towny, granted we didn't know he was the cop at that time, that bieng said he was the most likely target and he'd more than likely be killed the next night sure.
That however would mean hugman could claim cop and say who he checked and say yeah that boy he be town and you could save that guy the next night.
I would say the first night heal on yourself was fine because your logic is fine.