Civilization 4 - Empire building 101

[Hugman]

HOLY CRAP!

I have just seen what civics Tyler has:

Representation
Nationhood
Free Religion
Slavery

So he's a Communist state, that practices slavery, while allowing the people to elect their rulers and be of any faith.

We are totally fucked....

[delling]

That vile despot.

[Cwave]

Chance of a gamesession tonight or are people mia?
Im around from 21:00 and up

[Tyler]

Anyone up for a session tonight or tomorrow?

We should probably think about starting a new game. I am quite far ahead in our current one. I will get rifling in 20 turns or so, and im not sure if any of you will be able to get gunpowder by then.

[delling]

I will have astronomy and gunpowder in about 10 turns... but there are only two real ways this can play out:

a) you leave me alone and I settle the New World. You wipe out the rest of the map. We fight over the New World while everyone else waits for us to finish.

b) you use this new-found knowledge and simply wipe me out in the next 10-15 turns

Either way, probably better to start a new game :)

[Tyler]

Gunpowder will probably not be enough to save you. You will need rifling to do that. 

Gunpowder would give access to the pinch promotion however, which could slow me down a little. With that it would be possible to defend a city with (a lot of) musket men against riflemen.

However it would be all but impossible to stop invading rifilemen from pillaging all the land outside the cities with just musketmen. And when I get steal, in about 20 turns after riflemen, the cannons will make short work of even cities.

So yeah, a new game I think.

[Archz]

We should have bigger maps as well. I felt that it was really crowded very early in the game

[Palmar]

So

How do we tackle tech-runners?

Basically, everyone except myself plays very passively, so spamming technology is very beneficial, but usually whoever gets slightly ahead only gets farther ahead as the game goes on, since technology and advantage leads to more technology and advantage, I was the only one who even bothered to try and stop Tyler.

One way would be to allow tech-trading, but it opens up different problems... I'm honestly not sure....

[Hugman]

Really? a new game already?  >:(

That means I suppose we have to get Sint, Killi and Grilly in. That's gonna make it more fun, but makes getting every one taking a turn, and having turn sessions, like twice as hard.

Sigh.

Anyway the annoying news is, i'm out tonight, and working from 10am-4pm (uk time) tommorrow. So unless anything changes I can't make sat afternoon.

If we do make a new game, lets arrange it for sometime on sunday afternoon? That gives us time to see if the new fodder are actually up to seriously playing it?

[Cwave]

4pm is the afternoon no?

And we cant do 10 man :\ That means we will never ever get sessions done.

[Cwave]

Also, the neighbours of tyler who signed a non-agression pact with him AND honoured it while he rushed ahead should be hung @ Neurenberg......

You know who you are.

[delling]

When you are surrounded by jungle, lose your second worker AND have only one hill within range of your capital... a NAP is a good idea.

We don't all frickin' live in beautiful, prosperous, resource-rich Shangri-La, Cwave :P

[Tyler]

Archz: the "terra" type of map does mean we are a bit cramped on the initail continent. For other map types the size would have been fine.

Palmar: The problem was I was allowed to get too far ahead. As you say at least 3 other people should have attacked at the same time as you. Even with no metal 4 stacks of 10 archers could have done a lot of pillaging of my land. Then again you should probably have waited until you had metal hooked and had co-ordinated with the others before attacking.

Cwave: you can't blame grish the newbie for the fail. He just made peace with a powerful neibour. You were in a much better possition to attack, as i couldn't realiate against you at all. Even if you couldn't take a city you could have done some damage to my land.

Tech trading: My problem with this is makes the game flat. The fun part of civ is picking a tech "strand" to go down. If we trade then allies just pick differenct strands and everyone gets everything. You just need to stop anyone getting too far ahead...

[Cwave]

True true, but still you are about 40+ clicks away from my land.
Leaving me very far away to launch any attack since i dont have horses.

And to add to it, i have palmar next to me so i have to leave an army @ home cause he can't be trusted ever :P

Next game, i try and murder you from the start, i promise :)
And ill try and be more agressive like Palmar stated.

[Palmar]

Can we please set the game speed to normal.

Tech is overpowered on QUICK