Mafia - The story of Edgeville - Town Square

[Archz]

So we really didn't have a cop xD

[Tyler]

I gotta say I am loving this game. It's good to have a nice healthy dose of humility every now and again. I'm warning ya'll now there is an incoming wall of text.

We are 3-2 non-mafia - mafia. If there is another ninja we villager don't care, all non-mafia have to lynch a mobster. Just remember: posting good (unless it's incoherent), not posting bad! I am recomeneding everyone puts this on a post-it on their monitor next round. I know I will.

[Tyler]

First Vorte:
He got me good I admit. I didn't think he would be stupid enough to declare as cop day 2 if he was a ninja. Veteran maybe, not cop. There is no way he knew there was no cop in the game. The main point is though that declaring cop makes you prime mafia target number one.

Second Grax:
Facepalm. So as a vet, suspected for 3 rounds, he kept quiet. It even looked like he wanted to doc to declare before him. The main reason I suspected him was the attempt to get me to switch from TTaM to Vorte at 6-6.

He also gave up with his x,y,z are village a,b are mob posts. Which is a shame.

This

Grax has done weird shit from the word go, a sample of which would include; claiming to be a doc right at the start, then saying it was some kind of joke, repeatedly saying the doc/vets/vigis should reveal themselves, getting annoyed when we actually agree with his vote, and now today with odd logic pointing the finger at me in irc telling me I'm 'likely' to be a ninja on the basis ninjas have two lives as well as veterans. I'm sure I don't need to point out the presentation of 'leap-of-faith' as though it's solid logic.

Claiming to be a doc was one hour or so in to the game and was never meant to be taking seriously. But you and tyler loves to cling to it. Tyler went so far in his attempts to make me seem suspicious that he called me writing on irc suspicious.
I never said the doc vet or vigilante should reveal themselves, I asked them to share their information with us. Since we were so utterly clueless voting between two innocent people two times in a row.
I dont see how it is suspicious pointing a finger at you since I am indeed veteran, your claims of this making me suspicious, should make you look incredibly suspicious once I have been lynched tonight.
I have before answered to these useless accusations and I think you are the one using bad/false accusations against me, not me saying "no u".

is NOT the way to declare. I missed it and I appologise for that. I also forgot to forget golden rule number one: posting good.

The last killer point is that when Kawe declared as vet grax should have been much more sus. Like asking often are we sure Kawe is a vet, what if we have 2 vets etc. For the village to have 2 veterans is a massive advantage. I'm not saying its impossible, just very sus.

[Tyler]

So where from here? I curse myself for not posting this theory before. I just thought it was obvious that if a vet declared and there was a another vet, the other one would "out" the declared one.

So here we go. I was on a rampage early game. I guessed TTaM, Cwave, Grish and was blabbing it. I also kept asking Kawe if he was the sinister mafia overlord. I kept saying I could imagine him stroking a cat while concocting evil plans. Imagine a mid HoN player going 7-0!

I think this triggered a desperate plan. The mob sacrificed Grish so that Kawe could claim to be a veteran. My hubris, and the general confusion, then let me feck up so hard that it was like I fed the mafia team. From 7-0 to 7-11.

Here is my final trust list, remember that this is just a best guess. I'm open to other configurations and encourage people to post them.

Hugman: Voted for TTaM at 6-6. Lots of posts.
Arches: Voted for TTaM at 6-6. Many posts. Tracker claim more likley now it looks like we have no cop.
Kawe: Was "asleep" in TTaM vote. Only started posting after cover in. Never had to make another mafia/non-mafia vote
Nach: Didn't change TTaM vote, claimed would have. Not posted much. Never appeared to have a coherent theory.
 
In short lets lynch Nach or Kawe. I guess Nach first so he will stop pestering Arches

[Hugman]

No cop.

/FACEPALM AT PALMAR!

I don't know how you think the village not having a cop could be balanced, but I guess I will have to wait until the end to find out.

Damm Vorte!, It means that he just claimed to be a cop on that day he was gonna be lynched, and hoped he would get away with it, which he did for a suprisingly long time. Well played Vorte.

[Nachmanun]

Nach: Didn't change TTaM vote, claimed would have. Not posted much. Never appeared to have a coherent theory.

Yeah, not like I've been up to much like moving or anything.

I've been strongly against quite alot of what Tyler have said thus far and I've proved my own theories more right than Tyler has atleast, if you seriously believe someone who has agitated 3 village lynches in a row, over someone who's been trying to keep people calm-headed throughout the entire game and trying to mellow shit down so we won't lose horribly, then you're fucking retarded.

Hugman and Tyler have this invisible bond of trust I can't fucking understand either, it literally goes straight over my head, neither of them have done anything remotely close to ensure someone else of innocence (not even remotely) yet they seem to have this utmost trust with just eachother.

I've wanted Tyler dead for I don't know how long, mainly because I thought he was a Ninja, but I'm sure he's mobster now.

I'm pretty sure Tyler can captivate you all with his Iron Edge role of being calmer and older, but truthfully it's only worked out absolute shit to trust Tyler to this point and I seriously regret doing so. I think it's pretty obvious that either Arches is lying through his teeth as a mobster, hoping there wouldn't be a second tracker once Ino died the first night, or Arches and Tyler is in on this and somehow smooth-talked Hugman into fully trusting Tyler.

Tylers early vote to me is pretty obvious he's trying to agitate up shit, like he has done the 3 latest days and if he succeeds you will never hear the end of this, ever, as of how bad I would consider you all to be at this game.

But hey, fourth times the charm right? Perhaps THIS time Tyler doesn't want to kill a villager, MAYBE.

[Archz]

Well one more wrong lynch and we're done for it

Now, since I've been wrong (every single time), I'm just gonna follow Nach on this one. Quite suspicious to Kawe as well, since vorte told him all about the tracking on Tyler, leaving Tyler to execute his genious self-framing. God be with us!

[Tyler]

I forgot to summarise our positions

Me: Villager
Hugman: Villager
Arches: Tracker
Nach: Hooker
Kawe: Godfather

You have consistently spoken up against me nach thats true. But as I say more consistent posting > less posting, no matter what the reason. The only time we actually had a vote on a mobster me, hug and arches voted for him. The other 2 didn't, this is really the only fact we have.

[Nachmanun]

If you totally disregard the times where I didn't vote for villagers to die, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't count as fact, I'm pretty sure you never meant to kill villagers, it only accidentally happened, you feel bad for it and you'll try to do a better job next game, yeah?

Sorry, not fucking buying it.

I didn't vote for TTaM, correct, I didn't think he was a mobster (this fucking sentence is boring me to death already, I don't know why it keeps getting repeated), but on the other hand you DID vote for all the other ones.

Also, as you can see in the Voting thread, I very often have late votes, mainly due to me not wanting to accidentally lynch another villager.

If you are a villager, you're never SURE that someone is something, you have suspicious, but so far you've been SURE alot, which you only are if you have other information, like being a mobster.

Latest villagekills were agitated by you and now you want people to trust you. It's so obvious it's unreal.

[Tyler]

I dont expect you to buy it Nach, I think you are mob.

Late voting is sus imo, what better way to look innocent. I was SURE on Shiftey, the others were best guess. Now I am confident enough of my innocence to keep posting best Guess theories. There is no way I would just give up. You are basically accusing me of too much posting.

The second vet thing really threw me I admit, but remember guys I have always posted all my thoughts in this thread. You can go back and check everything for consistency. Posting = good.

[Nachmanun]

Posting = Good, especially if you want more villagers dead, right?

[kawe]

Woah, I am gobsmacked, went for a sleep and come back to this. First thing I guess I should say is very well played vorte. He had me hook, line and sinker. I'd been making a huge mistake, ironically one that vorte was constantly warning about, of getting way too narrow minded. I'd started doing some sherlocking this morning too which I don't even know if it needs revising for if there are two ninjas, or if maybe hug, nach or tyler is the worst cop in the world.

Tyler of course I start posting after my power is used, my role is fulfilled and I'm free to do so. Regarding a coherent theory, I think you'll be unpleasantly surprised with the results of my previous mentioned sherlocking.

Note however, that it was on the basis that vorte was a cop, not a ninja, and that there is a hooker in the game and arches had to be lying. All of these things have now been revealed to either be untrue or not definitely true. Although it doesn't necesarily throw it entirely, if Vorte was the sole ninja it throws a bunch more permutations of the layout into the mix.

This means Arches could be - and I think probably is - telling the truth. I'll need to come back to it and work through those later, but for now you just need to imagine that where it says arches is a ninja, he's a tracker. Image file because I needed to rearrage it visually and ps is easier than word to do that with.

Humility indeed the name of this game. Made a complete fool of by Vorte, and now most likely Tyler, the two people I trusted most of all, with my every concern about Grax gleefully reinforced by Tyler leading up to my practically leading a lynch against him thinking it was 'time to stand up for my vote'. To add salt in the wound, Grax and I ended up taking pot shots at one another the whole time. Wish I'd listened to Grax now, too. I've been played like a cheap violin.

[Tyler]

Nicley done Kawe. I tip my hat to you.

The only thing I can see wrong with your position is that you voted for Shank and Grax before me. I do agree that we were both fooled by Vorte, that is why he is dead

No mention of the Grishnag gambit from either of you? I would have thought something. And maybe some attempt by Kawe to justify why he trusts Nach.

[Nachmanun]

Grishnag gambit?

[Tyler]

I was wondering to myself what it is about posting that makes someone look guilty. I fell into the same trap at the start of the game when I accused Hugman on day one. I was not entirely convinced, but I did think he looked a little guilty.

I guess that this is a cornerstone of the game though. If it was easy to remember that more posts = good then there would be no fun. My idea is that posting lots makes you look certain. You can only really be certain if you are mob.

I thought I would try and counter this by posting some of my uncertainties. My current theory is best guess, the posts are already big enough without going through all the possibilities. However here are the biggest question marks about my current best guess in likelihood order, these are all very possible imo.

What if there is more than one ninja?
What if Vorte was silly enough to waste a kill on Grish?
What if Palmar really did put 2 veterans in the game?
What if Arches has got away with playing a random game?
What if Hugman is a really great actor?

The other big take away from this game is that "Just cos someone accuses you of being mob doesn't make them mob." Shiftey and Grax fell into this trap. I did too. When they responded to my accusations by calling me mob it just confirmed them as suspects in my eyes. This was probably my biggest fail in the game.