Mafia II - Story of the Iron Edge - Ship Deck

[Tyler]

Also, irrespective of the Dellwagon, I would also suggest that we analyse the Shiftey/Emptyy/Daekesh love triangle, as there's obviously something going on.

I knew that Kesh knew about Shiftey (and vice-versa) -- but I didn't get as far as finding out that Emptyy was also part of the triangle/square.

Is this a contradiction? If not what were you trying to say dell?

[delling2]

The first comment was encouraging people to look at that triangle, rather than my Dellwagon on Intrinsic.

The second comment was me admitting that Kesh and I had talked before the Shiftey<>Kesh link was made.

[Kendoki]

I dont quite see what delling did that was so suspicious tbh. Intrinsic was a logical choice imho. As mentioned earlier I did not see any of the main suspects as rebels and atleast it is confirmed that ttam was innocent.

This ^

And i am quite confused about :

I am just gonna note: Emptyy knew that TTaM was a Vice Admiral. I actually knew as well, I will admit that. Me and Emptyy knew.

Wut what? So Shiftey knew? and Emptyy? So both can be guilty as hell or 1 out of 2 or both innocent? Wut?

[Tyler]

When did you have that second conversation Dell?

[Sintrael]

Well, i'm assuming he's not going to just randomly lynch someone, that he'll discuss it with everyone before doing it.

If we ask him to lynch someone and they're rebel then he basically proves his innocence. This assumes he's not willing to shoot himself in the foot in the hopes that we'll think he's green. Which seems likely as losing a single rebel is a pretty big deal to them.

Obviously if we ask him to lynch some1 and he refuses then there's strong cause to believe that both him, and the potential target, are rebels.

Both of these cases require a strong argument to be put forth toward the target and for an actual petition to emptyy to use his vote.

If we ask him to lynch sum1 and they turn out green (which i'm hoping we can avoid) then i have no idea how to take it tbh, he cld be rebel and just have played along without fear or he cld just be green and have played along as we'd expect him to.

If emptyy does go ahead and use his lynch randomly, without consulting anyone, so everyone is clear of whats happening and why, then i'd take that a strong point toward him being a rebel.

[Sintrael]

If it wasnt clear, my last post was in response to kawe asking how emptyy could prove his innocence

[Sintrael]

Both of these cases require a strong argument to be put forth toward the target and for an actual petition to emptyy to use his vote.

Cant edit posts.

This should read:

Both of these cases require a strong argument to be put forth toward the target and for an actual petition to emptyy to use his lynch.

[Gaeios(Graxlos)]

Ok delling now in to the mix of people who knew about ttam it seems like ttam was just waaay too open about revealing his role. I guess half the game could know at this rate.
So disregard my shiftey vs. emptyy statement.

[Tyler]

lol ok. Well we always new all the rebels also knew TTaM was a blue. Thats why they killed him.

I'm interested as to when TTaM is supposed to have told Delling. Dells first quote was from 12:00 uk time...

[delling2]

Most of my talking with Kesh was early on the first day.

[Emptyy]

Alright, I'm back from my exam (which is why I haven't posted earlier), and have gone through, and put a lot of thought into the actions of tonight. I will address them in four different posts during this day. I will do my best to seem neutral.

(1/4) Emptyy-Shiftey-TTaM triangle
(2/4) Kawe/Nachmanun
(3/4) Ino-kill and Hugman poisoning
(4/4) Delling


TTaM told me about Shiftey and being a cop @ about 17 yesterday.
TTaM told Shiftey about me and being a cop.
TTaM was going to investigate Delling.

case 1: I'm a rebel, and Shiftey is not. I'm speaking the truth when I say TTaM told me that he told Shiftey
Why on earth wouldn't I make sure to kill Shiftey as well? Some say: Because then you can use it as an argument, but then you're not thinking it through. Had I killed them both, there wouldn't be anyone to mention my name. I'd be out of the picture.

case 2: I'm a rebel, and Shiftey is not. I do not speak the truth when I say TTaM told me that he told Shiftey
This would explain why Shiftey isn't dead already. It would also mean that TTaM told Shiftey, without telling anyone that he told Shiftey, which is harder to swallow.

case 3: Shiftey is a rebel, I am not
Shiftey knows killing TTaM would probably get him lynched, due to what I then would say. Decides to play with high stakes, and kills TTaM, followed by trying to blame it on someone else.

case 4: Shiftey and me are both rebels
And we're retarded as well.

case 5: Neither me or Shiftey are rebels
Which means TTaM told another one or two (mafia) players, which he unfortunately didn't tell me or Shiftey about. If TTaM also told them about investigating Delling, this could be a last attempt to get attention away from Delling, onto someone else. (Could also mean mafia got extremely lucky - which I doubt).

@Sintrael: My blaster is loaded, and my ears listening
@Delling: Seriously? Seems odd he would both put trust in you, and at the same time investigate you. 5 bucks says you're lying about it.

[kawe]

If we ask him to lynch someone and they're rebel then he basically proves his innocence. This assumes he's not willing to shoot himself in the foot in the hopes that we'll think he's green. Which seems likely as losing a single rebel is a pretty big deal to them.

This is very wrong; lynching a rebel as a means of gaining trust and more importantly of gaining trust when in possession of a double vote for the rest of the game is easily worth it. Often throwing one rebel to the wolves is a strong, easy tactic in itself before taking into consideration the captain role.

[Tyler]

Most of my talking with Kesh was early on the first day.

This is a little like pulling teeth. So Kesh told you day one that he was a cop?

[Shiftey]

I am gonna pour some gasoline to the fire by saying the following:

Throughout the entire game I was being called be, retarded, crazy, insane, terrible and many other colourful adjectives. And now, the above scenarios and everything that is being discussed would require me to pull of the biggest cover up and double play ever imagined.

But please keep going and add some votes for delling because his inconsistencies continue, we cannot let him live anymore.

[Sintrael]

Hmm, fair point kiwi, at this point in the game it might be worth it yeh considering we're behind, i think what i said still stands strong tho.

hmmmmmmmmm