Mini-mafia - The Witch Hunt - The Town of Notta Rossa

[Palmar]

Mafia need information to kill the right people.  People posting at night gives them more information.  How is that good for anyone?  Unless you're afraid you're going to die, that is.

They gather the information during the day, just as well during the night. Information is always good, no matter the time. Obviously revealing yourself as a blue role during night would be retarded, but so would doing that during the day be.

[Vdti]

This also makes me suspicious.  You complain that there was an inner circle that might have had witches, so you want the information out in the public so there are definitely witches in it?

Just to answer this one quickly while I'm at work.

This was information that the witches already had, so there would be no reason to keep i hidden from the rest of the townies.

I'll write a more thorough post when I get home, with my views on everyone so far.

[Palmar]

This also makes me suspicious.  You complain that there was an inner circle that might have had witches, so you want the information out in the public so there are definitely witches in it?

Just to answer this one quickly while I'm at work.

This was information that the witches already had, so there would be no reason to keep i hidden from the rest of the townies.

I'll write a more thorough post when I get home, with my views on everyone so far.

Stop being wrong.

a closed confirmed circle is always good, even when it's infested with mafia, because then it's easy to pick them from the circle

I wish you had been shot tonight.

[Nachmanun]

OK, finished my movie. So from here I have a few quick observations,

TTaM; You're going very hard on the Me + Starbrow mafia scenario, I don't really know what to say other than that I would not have played it like that, I wouldn't put myself in such a classic wifom scenario, it's ballsy and gutsy without any real "payoff" so to speak. I see your point, but you're hugging your point beyond the point of suspicious.

Vdti; is doing a pretty poor job not looking suspicious right now. You've said some pretty wierd things, but you also went public with what Palmar apparently whispered you, still doesn't weigh out the bad bits you've pulled together, but it's something. I also don't feel I've gotten anything really concrete out of you thus far?

Starbrow; seems to be thinking like I do and since I know that I'm a villager, his reasoning seems sound enough. Entirely plausible he's playing a good Mafia.

Palmar; the most active person, but he's been nicer than usual so that's definately suspicious. Brings valid points forth and break down ones he disagrees with, don't know what to make out of all of this. It's really at the point of Being such a good villager that it's too good to be true (which often means that it is, sadly).

Blackwhale; wat. Claimed to be a blue, which seems a bit gutsy, but no one argued with him so far. So that's all good, I guess.

Veilas; Really my most suspicious one thus far and seems to be using the confused card actively.


At this point I'm really split as of how I'll be voting, I feel reluctant to skip onto the Veilas bandwagon - but I'm not getting on the Matt or Starbrow train as of now.

[Nachmanun]

I'm still quite curious as of why Hugman died.

[Daekesh]

He was seen as a threat.

[Daekesh]

Best possible case for mafia is that all the active people with a clue are dead as soon as possible.  They can then go on about their way, killing whomever they like.

[Nachmanun]

Hmm, I guess that's the most plausible explanation.
Also, what's the full story on Blackwhale thing where he claims being roleblocked?

[Palmar]

Hmm, I guess that's the most plausible explanation.
Also, what's the full story on Blackwhale thing where he claims being roleblocked?

he claims that he got roleblocked?

you get told you're roleblocked even if you're just green.

or he could be mafia, and the mafia didn't use their roleblock.

But at the moment, I think we have better options than lynching BW.

[Palmar]

OK, finished my movie. So from here I have a few quick observations,

TTaM; You're going very hard on the Me + Starbrow mafia scenario, I don't really know what to say other than that I would not have played it like that, I wouldn't put myself in such a classic wifom scenario, it's ballsy and gutsy without any real "payoff" so to speak. I see your point, but you're hugging your point beyond the point of suspicious.

Vdti; is doing a pretty poor job not looking suspicious right now. You've said some pretty wierd things, but you also went public with what Palmar apparently whispered you, still doesn't weigh out the bad bits you've pulled together, but it's something. I also don't feel I've gotten anything really concrete out of you thus far?

Starbrow; seems to be thinking like I do and since I know that I'm a villager, his reasoning seems sound enough. Entirely plausible he's playing a good Mafia.

Palmar; the most active person, but he's been nicer than usual so that's definately suspicious. Brings valid points forth and break down ones he disagrees with, don't know what to make out of all of this. It's really at the point of Being such a good villager that it's too good to be true (which often means that it is, sadly).

Blackwhale; wat. Claimed to be a blue, which seems a bit gutsy, but no one argued with him so far. So that's all good, I guess.

Veilas; Really my most suspicious one thus far and seems to be using the confused card actively.


At this point I'm really split as of how I'll be voting, I feel reluctant to skip onto the Veilas bandwagon - but I'm not getting on the Matt or Starbrow train as of now.

read the thread nach.

The only thing Vdti outed publicly was asking who got roleblocked. I wanted to do it in private so I could use the opportunity to pressure people for information.

Also, how the hell can you post the shit you just posted if you're town. You don't have to agree with me, but at least make a decision, make a case. Don't act like any common scum where you pretend that you're not okay with going after people... that's just terrible if you're town.

Here, let me write a step to step guide for all of you.

Step 1: Read the analysis done, TTaM on Starbrow, Me on Veilas, and Starbrow on TTaM
Step 2: if you agree with any of the analysis done, vote in favour of it
Step 3: if you agree with none of them, then present an alternative.

I personally think Starbrow is town, and I'm leaning towards matt just being his usual terrible town self.

I thought nach was town, but now I'm no longer sure.

Blackwhale is either playing good scum, but more likely he's just town.

which leaves Veilas and Vdti. I went for veilas first, because at least Vdti is trying to contribute even though everything he says seems to be pretty bad. But if anyone is willing to build a case against him, I'm sure you'll find him scummy.

Anyway, there's only 6 hours until the lynch, and we still have hardly heard from half the town.

[Shiftey]

6 hours to lynching votes are as follows:

1 TTaM
1 Starbrow
1 Veilas


Reminding Veilas, Nachmanun, Blackwhale and Vdti to vote

[Vdti]

Here are my view on todays events.

First off, I would like to point out that the TTaM vs Starbrow thing that's been going on has a lot of similarities with the Kawe vs TTaM of last game. Both bring out very valid points about each other, but I think it's mostly fueled by the fact that the other one is accusing them. I honestly believe we have another green vs green debate here.

Then we have Blackwhale, claims to be roleblocked the first night. He came forth with this information after there had been a lot of talk about it, and I don't think he's lying about it. In my opinion that would have been too risky after all the discussion about it earlier. So I consider Blackwhale a green, I don't think he would have had the balls to claim such a thing that late in the discussion.

That leaves my three suspects, Nach, Veilas and Palmar.

Before Nach's three last posts, I found him very suspicious. He posted litte and contributed less and voted for Hugman on day one. The last long posts he made somewhat changed that impression, but I feel it's late and there's really nothing that clears him in my view. Yet atleast. So my judgement of him is possible mafia.

As for Veilas, he's even worse when it comes to low activity and little contribution. He as made very few post with almost nothing of substance in them. Like he's really trying to just jump on the votes at the very end, like he did with Sint. He claimed that was because he thought we needed a majority, but that is one easy lie to make up. Play the stupid card. He was even in the last game where we didn't need a majority either, so I don't know where he got that from.

At last, there's Palmar. He I find him really suspicious. He has provided the town with shitloads of good information, but we don't really know how he plays and he keeps knocking people who disagree with him down pretty harshly and is assuming what I would call a dangerous leading role in the town. Before the first night he practically begs for doc protection, maybe to make sure the one he kills won't be protected? He's also pushing a lot to shoot random persons in a group, me included, which I find somewhat strange to do that early. Firing randomly at night one has a lot less of a chance to actually hit a witch than it would on night 2, and the chance of the witches getting a possible vigi is low.

Then there's the secrecy of information that witches already know. I posted about the role block because it's information that the town needs, and not something to be kept behind close doors where only witches and a few townies know who we can trust. It seems like he really wanted to keep the information to him self, and I cannot see a good reason for that except to keep the town in darkness.

With this, my vote for the night has to go for Palmar, unless some new information comes along. There's just something really fishy, and it seems like he wants to be friends with everyone and find a few targets to pick on in order to have the town focus suspicion away from him self. I think I'm not the only one who have have felt this 'vibe' when reading Palmar's posts.

##Vote: Palmar

[Palmar]

Here are my view on todays events.

First off, I would like to point out that the TTaM vs Starbrow thing that's been going on has a lot of similarities with the Kawe vs TTaM of last game. Both bring out very valid points about each other, but I think it's mostly fueled by the fact that the other one is accusing them. I honestly believe we have another green vs green debate here.

I actually agree with you here, or well, I don't see a reason to lynch either matt or starbrow at the moment.

Then we have Blackwhale, claims to be roleblocked the first night. He came forth with this information after there had been a lot of talk about it, and I don't think he's lying about it. In my opinion that would have been too risky after all the discussion about it earlier. So I consider Blackwhale a green, I don't think he would have had the balls to claim such a thing that late in the discussion.

Again, I agree with, you, which is very weird when you reach a totally insane conclusion.

That leaves my three suspects, Nach, Veilas and Palmar.

Before Nach's three last posts, I found him very suspicious. He posted litte and contributed less and voted for Hugman on day one. The last long posts he made somewhat changed that impression, but I feel it's late and there's really nothing that clears him in my view. Yet atleast. So my judgement of him is possible mafia.

No, nach's directionless ranting has made him more suspicious, not less suspicious. I can certainly agree that he might be mafia.

As for Veilas, he's even worse when it comes to low activity and little contribution. He as made very few post with almost nothing of substance in them. Like he's really trying to just jump on the votes at the very end, like he did with Sint. He claimed that was because he thought we needed a majority, but that is one easy lie to make up. Play the stupid card. He was even in the last game where we didn't need a majority either, so I don't know where he got that from.

Yes, you're just taking my analysis and using it to fos Veilas, which doesn't make much sense when you consider you think I am his scum-partner. So you use one scum's analysis to target the other scum?

Nice, you're probably legit.

At last, there's Palmar. He I find him really suspicious. He has provided the town with shitloads of good information, but we don't really know how he plays and he keeps knocking people who disagree with him down pretty harshly and is assuming what I would call a dangerous leading role in the town. Before the first night he practically begs for doc protection, maybe to make sure the one he kills won't be protected? He's also pushing a lot to shoot random persons in a group, me included, which I find somewhat strange to do that early. Firing randomly at night one has a lot less of a chance to actually hit a witch than it would on night 2, and the chance of the witches getting a possible vigi is low.

I bolded my favourite parts. I have played well for the town, and told people that are playing bad for the town, why they're playing bad for the town. So that somehow equals suspicious in your mind? Like... that's just insane.

Of course I mentioned a possible doc protection, I wanted to screw with the mafia. I can't order the doc to go on me, but I can make the mafia fear that he would go for me.

And finally, I explained, the vigi did not shoot last night, and they cannot shoot tonight either, unless we hit a mafia, but you're hellbent on lynching town, so that might not happen at all.

Then there's the secrecy of information that witches already know. I posted about the role block because it's information that the town needs, and not something to be kept behind close doors where only witches and a few townies know who we can trust. It seems like he really wanted to keep the information to him self, and I cannot see a good reason for that except to keep the town in darkness.

I just wanted to privately ask everyone before asking openly in the thread. do you think we should out our cop/vigi/doc suspects too in order to "keep information in the thread?"

With this, my vote for the night has to go for Palmar, unless some new information comes along. There's just something really fishy, and it seems like he wants to be friends with everyone and find a few targets to pick on in order to have the town focus suspicion away from him self. I think I'm not the only one who have have felt this 'vibe' when reading Palmar's posts.

##Vote: Palmar

Thanks.

I just don't know what to do here. Apparently I'm helping town too much and that is somehow an indicator that I am scum. How do you deal with such stupidity? Nach had the same argument. This just doesn't make any sense at all.

If I want to not get lynched, should I play worse?

....

Anyway, I ask everyone to read my analysis on veilas, and for the love of god, shoot vdti tonight.

[Vdti]

And finally, I explained, the vigi did not shoot last night, and they cannot shoot tonight either, unless we hit a mafia, but you're hellbent on lynching town, so that might not happen at all.

See, here's what I don't get. When you fire randomly at day 1, you have a 2/9 chance to get a witch, and as you probably won't that will leave us with 6 players for day 2. Four townies and two witches. That means that a miss-lynch today with a miss vigi-kill last night would be just as catastrophic as a miss lynch today an a miss vigi-kill today. And a kill used on night two has a 2/7 chance to hit a mafia, which is a greater chance of success.

Your view that a shooting during night 1 would leave us in any other situation is just not right. We're just as fucked tomorrow if the vigi kills tonight and hits a townie as we would be if he shot yesterday!

I just wanted to privately ask everyone before asking openly in the thread. do you think we should out our cop/vigi/doc suspects too in order to "keep information in the thread?"

This is a totally different thing, as the witches doesn't already know this information! The block was already known by witches and would any give the town more info, not the witches.

[Palmar]

And finally, I explained, the vigi did not shoot last night, and they cannot shoot tonight either, unless we hit a mafia, but you're hellbent on lynching town, so that might not happen at all.

See, here's what I don't get. When you fire randomly at day 1, you have a 2/9 chance to get a witch, and as you probably won't that will leave us with 6 players for day 2. Four townies and two witches. That means that a miss-lynch today with a miss vigi-kill last night would be just as catastrophic as a miss lynch today an a miss vigi-kill today. And a kill used on night two has a 2/7 chance to hit a mafia, which is a greater chance of success.

Your view that a shooting during night 1 would leave us in any other situation is just not right. We're just as fucked tomorrow if the vigi kills tonight and hits a townie as we would be if he shot yesterday!

yes.

assuming worst case scenario

lynch day 1: 6v2 (town kill)
maf kill night 1: 5v2 (maf kill)
lynch day 2: 4v2 (town kill)
maf kill night 2: 3v2 (maf kill)

so either, the vigilante shoots night 2, and if he misses, it's game over. or he doesn't shoot night 2 either, and then the town has to lynch correctly, no matter vigi shot or not.

Total: 3 town kills

now my scenario?

lynch day 1: 6v2
maf kill night 1: 5v2
vigi kill night 1: 4v2
lynch day 2: 3v2
vigi kill night 2: 3v2
maf kill day 2: 2v2 and game over.

So, what happens here, is that the town gains an EXTRA KILL

not that it matters at the moment cause the vigilante did no shoot, or we might not have one, but please, apply some logic to how you think this game.