Mafia II - Story of the Iron Edge - Ship Deck

[Intrinsic]

##Unvote: Arches

##Vote: TTaM

[delling2]

For what it's worth, I think Kesh has been fairly consistent _at the time of posting_. Kawe has taken all of his comments and placed them out of context.

Again, we hardly know anything right now. Kesh can jump to one conclusion, and I can jump to another, but that doesn't mean one of us is right or wrong, sane or insane. Taking his comments out of context removes any real chance of seeing the sanity behind Kesh's commentary.

Kesh might have said too much compared to how much we _actually_ know -- but it's better to say something than nothing, right?

Unless it ends up in a big, damning post that makes you look insane, of course... :P

[kawe]

I don't think they were out of context; most of them were from a single post. Posting more is definitely good, but the general theme of TTaM's posts and chatter has been 'stirring'. An imperial's job is not to be casting doubt in such a fashion and creating chaos, but carefully producing quality posts.

As an aside, I forgot to mention one other thing about TTaM's rebuttal to Graxlos:

I haven't voted for Arch, remember.

Voted, no, gloated, yes.

Essentially, TTaM has powerfully overtaken Arches as a pretty good day 1 lynch option; if he's not rebel, he's sure not serving the Empire very well either.

[delling2]

True enough.

I think I still need to get into the swing of how this game is played.

But yeah, I can't see us being significantly weakened by losing either Archz or Kesh -- as long as they're not blues, anyway.

(Incidentally, if either of you are blues, you should probably speak up now?)

[Vdti]

In response to delling here, speaking up now as a blue is probably not the best idea. There's still 49 hours left until the lynching, so a blue looking at the possibility of being lynched should try to get out of it another way and only reveal him self if there's no other way out of it.

[Eetion]

If they were to be Blues, they aren't doing a good job by getting themself in the spotlight acting weird, pointing fingers.. and then all of a sudden when on the edge of a lynch they step up and say - Hey guys im a blue, dont kill me? -

[delling2]

OK... so... in other words... if they're blues... we're fucked because they've played a bad game? :P

[kawe]

We're not fucked, but it would be pretty bad yes

[Eetion]

It would be some sort of crippling, but nothing we cant recover from.. Also depends on which blue it is :).. But for now i dont believe that they are blues.. Either Rebel or stupid Privates..

[Sintrael]

Ttam just hasnt really posted in the style of a well meaning member of the Empire, happily bent on taking over the universe, he seems to be using some sort of mind trick to make us all hate eachother..

[Sintrael]

##Unvote: Archz
##Vote: TTaM

Time to hop on the bandwagon

olol see what i did there kesh?

[Daekesh]

Sorry for ignoring your post, Shiftey, but I've been raiding!  To reply to your post, I made a post with some suspect behaviour.  I made the next post because people were curious about the reasons behind them.

On the subject of Archz.  I wasn't gloating.  Just wtf on that.  I'm being condescending because he's being an idiot making jokes about being a Jedi. 

You say that I'm creating chaos, Kawe, but you've made a crusade about tearing apart my posts to get me lynched, when you've done basically the same thing the whole game.  Maybe you didn't make a concise post about it, but you've been subtlely accusing people from the start.

##Unvote: Kawe
##Vote: Arch

Sadly I'm having to jump on the Archz bandwagon to maybe save my skin.

[Archz]

The rebels must be loving this. I'm going to break the trend by not voting for Daekesh, because I doubt he's mafia.

[Emptyy]

UPDATE #1
I'm already beginning (and suppose I'm not the only one) to loose grip over what have been said and who said it. I therefore tried to sum up what people had said, and thought: why not share this with everyone? As mention (indirectly, if not directly) by others, I also think transparancy on what people think is vital.

Votes (for lynch, from --> to)[spoiler]
Chippn --> Vorte
Delling --> Archz
Eetion --> TTaM
Emptyy --> Eetion
Grishnag --> Shiftey   
Hugman --> Archz
Insintric --> Vorte (unvoted)
Insintric --> Archz (unvoted)
Insintric --> TTaM
Kawe --> Archz (unvoted)
Kawe --> TTaM
Kendoki --> Kawe
Shiftey --> Kawe (unvoted)
Shiftey --> TTaM
Sintrael --> TTaM (unvoted)
Sintrael --> Archz (unvoted)
Sintrael --> TTaM
Starbrow --> Archz   
Tronz --> Insintric
TTaM --> Kawe (unvoted)
TTaM --> Archz
Tyler --> Archz
Vdti --> TTaM
Yoica --> TTaM
[/spoiler]

Supports (for captain, from --> to)[spoiler]
Archz --> Kawe
Blackwhale -_> Vdti
Chippen --> TTaM
Delling --> Vdti
Eetion --> Eetion (unvoted)
Eetion --> Mouseh
Emptyy --> Mouseh
Graxlos --> Shiftey
Grishnag --> Kawe
Insintric --> Kawe
Kawe --> Kawe
Shiftey --> Shiftey
Sintrael --> Kawe
TTaM --> Vdti
Tyler --> Kawe
Vdti --> Vdti
Yoica --> Mouseh[/spoiler]

Notes from posts
Quoting some stuff that CAN be interesting. Not including all the arches-bashing, as I think it's kind of silly (perhaps because I didn't participate in pt. 1), and a includes a lot of not-so-interesting stuff.
Warning: Wall of text.
[spoiler]
Delling
"There's only a 1-in-27 chance that Kawe is again the godfather"
"I will run for captain"
"Yes, Shiftey is a bad choice for captain" @Kawe
"Kawe could be using the fact that no one would believe he's Maffia/Rebel two games in a row."
"I agree that Kawe has been a bit too militaristic for early on in the game"
"I think a 'puppet' captain might be a bit more sensible"
"I wouldn't be opposed to Mouse being captain"
"there's no reason to trust Kawe's analysis over Shiftey's"

Shanski
"Lynch Kawe he is the Godfather Jedi Knight"
"Im just messing around atm since we don't have anything to go on."
Suspecting early voters, Dell/Tyler/Vdti for captain

Chippen
"Dont vote shiftey!"
"People going for Captain are suspicious"
"Vorte should be hanged on principle" (for not having watched Star Wars)
"I am ofc a loyal private of the Imperial Flee"

Kawe
"So far Shanks and Shiftey is on the list. And Chippen and Vorte chiming in." (on suspicious list)
"Voting Shiftey for captain is stupid"
"I will run for captain"
"That reminds me, Arches, care to explain away your talk of 'the force being strong' with you?" @IRC?
"note of Nach's reaction to Arches making such an apparant blunder, 'God damnit arches'." @IRC?
Defensive post
Vote = strong weapon, guilty people vote slowly
"you're keen to get the position but are very concerned about how you appear to others." @Delling concerning Captain role
Positive of Mouse for captain, general advice and promots posting
Promotes voting,
Suspecting, and quoting TTaM posts

Eetion
"I aswell will be running for position of Captain"
"We Imperial Fleet people need to stick together,"
"remember that most of the people here might actually be telling the truth." @Chippen
"As I've got nothing to hide for anyone, because I'm only a simple, however loyal, Imperial Fleet Private"
"You seem very eager to get some kind of black sheep pointed out early Chippen, why go for the Imperials if you, yourself were to be one of us?"
"remind you that 77% of the people will be part of your interest if you truely are of the Imperial Fleet." @Chippen
"Somehow i agree a bit with you Tyler." @Tyler when he says Archz is a good target
"Remember the best weapon for us Privates is to speak up and talk together"
"in the interest for the Rebels to get a quick lynch" (higher chance to vote Rebel for Captain)   
Long post slightly suspecting Kawe, supporting Vdti
"By electing Kawe captain we take a bigger chance than needed"
"I dont like the slight link between Chippen and TTaM"

TTaM
"Shiftey as captain wouldn't be in our bests interests."
"I think Kawe is far too eager to start pointing fingers"
"chances of people telling the truth is quite high."
"I'm definitely noticing a trend towards Delling, Kawe and Yoica trying to allay suspicion from each other"
Long post analyzing people
"As for Archz there isn't much to go on at the moment."
"People with night actions really don't want to be the captain" /support Vdti

Vdti
"the jailor should lock the captain up each night."
"Blue should not run for captain" (as they won't be able to use abilities)
"I still have an ugly gut feeling about Kawe, Delling and ET"

Nachmanun
"I'm a good guy this time, interesting."
- Can't be active the first 48 hours (ish) due to moving

Shiftey
"So I havent said a word and you are already pointing fingers on me. Little too eager arent we kawe?"
"I have not even officially stated I would be running for a position of captain. I do not intend to, as you will want to lynch me anyway and becoming a target for rebels too just isnt my cup of tea."
"Chippen has accused me, Eetion and Vorte with no real reasoning"
Post suspecting and argumenting to lynch Kawe
"Right now, no mafia would ever jump to defend Archz in any way. But since I am a private in imperial army, I am willing to do that."
Suspecting Kawe

Tyler
"no to Shiftey as captian."
"Would be happy to run for captain, my inital guesses in the last game were good. I am a simple villager again."
"Hmm Archz is looking like a good target" (for lynching)
"I say lets vote of the lynch first. Peoples reaction will help us choose the captain later."
Suspecting Archz, Mouse for captain, Delling is acting odd

Hugman
- Wants people to post lots
"I will start with Arches, as he is an idiot."

Insintric
"no go for Shiftey!" (captain)

Archz
"I'm just having a huge laugh at how much you guys are "reading into" things :p"
"Me for Captain imo"
"After all this, you really think I'm mafia? :p You must've missed some of the irc talk and posts." @Sintrael
"Pay close attention to the votes, if all the mafia vote for the same person, they are likely to get a lynch since we no longer need the majority"

Emptyy
"lynching Arches would make me giggle, let's do that."

Doomslay
"i have my mince pies on you" @Eetion

BlackWhale
"Archz is probably not a maffia, he seems to care to little to have a important role."
"Lynching vorte because he dont like starwars makes no sense"
"Chippen is either a dumb private or a sneaky rebel"

Graxlos
"Voting for Arches could be reasonable based on how he played the last game"
"Im gonna pass on the captain job since Im not going to be very active in the beginning of this game."

Yoica
"between Kawe and Delling, because Tyler made too many wrong choices last game" (for Captain)

Mouseh
- Positive regarding Dell/Kawe running for captain. Sceptical voting for Eetion/Tyler/Shanski

Sintrael
"I like Mouseh's post, i agree that kawe/tyler/dell would be a good choice for captain"
Suspecting people voting for Vdti, supportes Kawe/Mouse for Captain

Ino
"we shouldn't have Shiftey or Archz as Captain"
"Personally I think Tyler is a good choice for captain"

Kendoki
Long post, summing up his thoughts - Tyler & Starbrow suspiciously supports Kawe
[/spoiler]

Right now, I'm sick of writing down stuff, but I'll say that:

- Personally, I find Eetion suspicious, due to subtly saying I'm not the yedi you're looking for, like if he's got some sort of mind tricks. To me, most his posts doesn't seem very constructive either.
- Kawe is making many posts (some of them good, some of them very repetitive.) I'm very unsure of him, and oppose the idea of him as Captain because he comes out like a clever little mafia to me. Both voting for lynch and supporting for captain seem very high risk.
- The whole Archz thing: Doubt he's a mafia, but I see the logic in killing him (low risk).

I will be careful pointing any fingers early on, but here's my little list
Suspicious: Eetion, Kawe, TTaM, Chippen
In my green zone: Tyler, Mouseh, Vdti


##Vote: Eetion
##Support: Mouseh

[Sintrael]

fs stupid fucking vote system >.<

i needed to have bold around both seperately, not just one bold around both...

##Unvote: Archz
##Vote: TTaM