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[Fatalbone]

 Original post was not about defending Turkey at all. Just because I am turkish and I gave information about Turkey it doesn't mean I am defending anything. I took the numbers from IMF and EU report and I am sure that they are not trying to defend turkish pride by changing their numbers.

Keep in mind this is about my post. I don't know about the other posts and we don't have a turkish hivemind we don't all share the ideas; others might felt disgraced or something about your attitudes. My aim was just show that saying something on the internet does not make it right. There is still a truth about things that don't go away with writing unrelated null and void over everything. You guys don't have to be afraid of saying "I didn't know about it" or "I just assumed that would be like that". Most of the Turkish people here react to your generally unbased remarks about Turkey. They might be overreacting but saying nationalistic bullshit etc doesn't change the fact that your opinions are based on your general attitudes toward that group and some tabloid news rather than factual data. There are some people with a lot of history knowledge like Graxlos but generally it is hearsay. And that is completely normal because Turkish/Middle East history and politics is a very trivial topic for you guys.

[kagemoth]

Fatal , after satta your next..

[Yathezai]

I think you underestimate how much attention Turkey gets in other countries. Maybe because we have a lot of (older generation) Turks in Holland, I don't know. But our newspapers keep up with everything. And did you know my history exam in my final year was all about the Crimean War? Don't underestimate what people know, most of the time they're just biased because they don't want anything that can hurt their wallet. It's all about the money...

[Rucious]

Fatal , after satta your next..

after them your next xD

[Nachmanun]

Sure, there are plenty of good reasons for war

How about no.

[Destro]

Read the quotes if your really interested.

[Destro]

Read the quotes if your really interested.

[Rucious]

This topic, argument, discussion, nationalism, racisim, and more won't end till we die for sure. Eventhough I'm a Turskish Citizen (which is my 2nd nationality) I think, no wait... lets end this topic shall we, there is no such thing that (Fatal I know you're right) this will go an end. please guys PEACE all I want innocent smile :)

[Hugman]

Why is this thread still going?

It's more paedophiliac than the thread that Nach started; and that's full of pictures of animated skimpily clad tweens.

[Destro]

Read the quotes if your really interested.

[Rucious]

Sorry mate I don't wanna get involve of anyhting else I just wanted to say that. all other thing is up to you. I'm out.

[Destro]

Read the quotes if your really interested.

[Grishnag]

It's more paedophiliac than the thread that Nach started; and that's full of pictures of animated skimpily clad tweens.

that one?

or that one?

[delling]

Yathezai -- slavery still occurs. It occurs more than it did at its 'peak' in the 18th and 19th centuries. Now, instead of blacks from Africa, it's girls from Asia -- the sex trafficking industry is worth _billions_.

Was it Jefferson that wrote the Declaration of Independence? The one that made blacks worth only a fraction of a white person? (He had a household of slaves when he wrote that thing, by the way.)

You know the Enlightenment basically came to the conclusion that Blacks and Jews were not actually human? Hitler actually believed Jews were sub-human -- because philosophers and scientists told him so -- that's how he justified killing them. That's how Christians justified the butchering of Muslims -- and how Muslims justify their butchering of Christians.

You have to make someone sub-human -- sub-YOURSELF -- before you can kill them. Have you heard stories of front-line soldiers that don't know WHY they are at war? I just read a book, which is apparently a true story, where German and Russian soldiers would play football instead of shooting each other. Then, when officers came by, they would fire some rounds into the air to make it look like they were fighting.

My point is, just because someone says it's so -- slavery is OK! cheap food is OK! stoning a woman is OK! killing the unbeliever is OK! -- it doesn't make it _true_. Just because 'everyone's doing it' doesn't mean it's OK.

Get a German to sit down with a Jew and have a conversation. Make them discuss their lives. Get some empathy going. Then ask the German to murder the Jew. I wonder if Hitler actually killed any Jews himself, or whether he did it from behind a desk where reality and empathy were unable to reach him.

Regarding war, I don't really have an opinion on it. I think we'll always have wars. The reasons might change, but war won't go away. Someone is always going to have a 'valid' reason for a war :)

(Tiny Edit on the Jefferson sentence.)

[Rucious]

This topic, argument, discussion, nationalism, racisim, and more won't end till we die for sure. Eventhough I'm a Turskish Citizen (which is my 2nd nationality) I think, no wait... lets end this topic shall we, there is no such thing that (Fatal I know you're right) this will go an end. please guys PEACE all I want innocent smile :)

Please highlight how he is right? and even what subjects he is right on, because as far as i see it, its just endless bullshit getting crushed by me, which then evolves into something different, or he says he meant something else...

Not that I don't have balls or backing up, I just don't wanna get involved at all.. Peace.