a Worthy watch about the aid-ship to Gazze

[Karga]

i was not expecting the host to be so Judgemental, but the guy did very well.

U want to hear about the Israelic blockade, the inhuman acts, try this video.

Edited to remove Karga's pointless last sentence. Let's try a thread without hate speech, yeah?

[Gaeios(Graxlos)]

I think most of the EU thinks that Israel is quite fucked up. I have no problem with jews and I am not an antisemite.

But I am an antizionist.

[delling]

I did 15 minutes! That's enough, I think.

It's interesting to see his body language. She definitely puts him on the back foot.

[Fatalbone]

I don't really understand why people keep ignoring the fact that a state harrassed, boarded and murdered civilians inside an unarmed humanitarian ship in international waters. He mentions this twice but she completely ignores it. Not taking a stand against this simply scary, it is accepting that there is no international law but the law of the strong.

Israeli arguments are so weak I was suprised that there were people supporting it. By the same logic pirates have right to kill passengers and loot everything if passengers try to defend themselves.

I am also sceptical about boarding. I am sure one of the world's most trained and technologically advanced military force knows that sending a single troop in the middle of a mob with makeshift clubs isn't the best solution. There are so many different ways of disarming the passengers it doesn't really make sense.   

[delling]

Shall we try to avoid speculation about what those armed forces did or did not do?

The Turkish sympathisers will claim the Israelis started it. The Israeli sympathisers will say those on the ship started it.

Makes almost no sense to have that argument without the video tape (which Israel should release!)

[Kilizion]

Looks to me like another case of some country being a dick. Not the first time it's happened that's for sure. As long as America supports Israel, which it will continue to do as it wants to establish a foot in the middle east, Europe and the rest of the world can't do shit. We sent aid, Israel said no, we do nothing about it. GG Israel.

[Grilldyret]

Looks to me like another case of some country being a dick.

Can you be a little more general please.

[Fatalbone]

Well Turkish sympathisers don't need to prove who attacked first because they actually have right to attack armed people who board their ship, that is part of self defense. If they were in Israeli waters then that would be important. Also all the videos and photographs on the ship were forcefully taken (and an unarmed photographer was killed by a headshot) so we can never know what actually happened.

The whole event is handled in a such bad manner it would end in a government resignation in a normal western democracy. Only logical assumption is whole event being a show of power to the whole world and saying they can't do shit.Which is a common communication style of agressive military states.

[Gaeios(Graxlos)]

Who started it is kinda meh. They boarded a civilian ship in international waters.

Who started the fight after that is another matter, they had no right to board them.

[Kilizion]

Looks to me like another case of some country being a dick.

Can you be a little more general please.

Sorry.

Looks to me like another case of something being a dick.

[delling]

I understand the 'International waters' argument, but does it really matter?

If they had boarded them once they crossed into Israeli/Palestinian waters, would everyone be siding with the Israelis, or what?

[Gaeios(Graxlos)]

They could have been a bit more diplomatic:
Hey guys you are trespassing get our or we board you!

Ok you are ignoring us then we are gonna throw you out with force.

Instead of basically kidnapping an entire ship full of people from international waters.

[delling]

Don't avoid the question!

What would've happened if they did it in Israeli waters?

[Gaeios(Graxlos)]

Im not a contrafactual history writer, but I do think they would have made a better case if they had given them the chance to get out of israely territory. Since its every countries right to defend their own territory.

I'll admit that the chance of them ignoring their warnings and ending in the same situation is quite high and that they really wanted a confrontation to show the media that israel are baddies.

[Daekesh]

there is no international law but the law of the strong.

There is NO law that is not the law of the strong.  The weak cannot impose laws on the strong, because they cannot enforce it.